steroids general

>>42625093
is he really dead?

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>>42625170
Yes, it's confirmed by many ppl

First Dallas, now rich. You better get off the steroids before you're next.

You're next /fraud/

>>42625196
starting PCT next week bretheren

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>I'm becoming stronger

>>42625253
You got your accutane ready? prepare for the acne blast

>>42625280
yeah im already taking it.

But im not sure if 20mg is enough. Its been 3 days so far, didnt notice anything

what are you running breh

>>42625289
>Its been 3 days so far, didnt notice anything
lol

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>>42625196
hi MasT, whats your "cycle" for stopping hair loss?

is it still pic related?

stay safe /fraud/

>>42625280
masT are you turk

>>42625289
Are you're using UG from that site? Do you know if that's even legit?

I got mine via dermo when i used it. Minimum dose is 30mg.

Do you know what you're using? Full effects will take 1.5-2 months minimum.

>>42625345
For hair loss keto is what you need

for thickness i would recommend using saw + pumkin at those dosages indeed

for regrowth; all of it including biotin,

>>42625368
some Czechoslovakia and Austrian blood

no turk

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>>42625353
I will die by the needle. I can't live a skinny live anymore

>>42625451

just don't go on opioids

>>42625451
Lookin juicy cant wait till you hop on roids big guy

So I'm 22 now and did a cycle 3 years ago when I was 19 (test and dbol). It was easily the best 12 weeks of my life.
Since then ive been on and off the gym. Right now I'm probably in slightly better shape than what I was before my first cycle.

Recently I convinced myself I'd get back on. I was going to sit down this weekend and make my order, but with Rich suddenly dying I'm having second thoughts. Is this a sign that I shouldn't do it?
I'm only looking at a basic cycle, probably test and dbol again.

What do you guys think? Is the juiced up life worth it?

>>42625676

Dallas choked on some food and Piano probably went hypo from slin and hit his head. not really roid related

happy friday

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>>42625451
>if I die, I die

>>42625676
you are very very very very very far from ending like rich pannini.

The gear rich has taken, coppled with heavy drug use like MDMA or Coke or whatever, is a one way ticket to leave humanity behind.
Im honestly surprised he even became this old, considering he was already 260 lbs of pure muscle as a 18 year old.

What happened to rich will never happen to you, if you do your regular 500 test blasts.
Im confused as to why i have to explain this to you. How can you compare your baby gear to rich, who has been roiding like an imbecile since decades?

>>42625725
implying it wasn't the order 66

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>RIP Piana
Would you consider this to be a wake up call or will you continue to use this shit?

Just pinned 2mg test 400 and 2.5ish mg tren a into one quad before a 13 hour flight. Hopefully I don't get too bad of pip.
Also the tren was to finish off the vial.

>>42625751
No I understand it won't kill, especially if I just stick to the more tame stuff.

But is this lifestyle worth it?

>Breaking the law
>Buying expensive drugs (theyre costly where I live)
>The hard work and discipline
All to just be stronger and better looking than the average Joe.

>>42625810
they aren't costly anywhere unless you're in a 3rd world country and make 20 dollars a month

but then you really have to ask yourself if roiding should really be part of your life

>>42625837
>they aren't costly anywhere unless you're in a 3rd world country and make 20 dollars a month
Aus, they arent dirt cheap like the states or uk

Exactly, is the hassle worth it?
How do you guys justify to yourselves that using steroids should be a part of your life?

>>42625810
Wether it is worth it or not, everyone has to decide for himself. If you dont have a single reason in your mind why you should workout or take steroids, then dont do it.

Personally, i couldnt be happy if i didnt workout and had a nice body. Its a must for me. But thats just me, not you.

>breaking the law
Who cares you dont get cought
>expensive
if a 16 week test cycle is expensive for you then maybe ur just poor.

>the hard work and discipline
a smooth sea doesnt make good sailors, anon.
Hard work and discipline is what shapes and strengthens your personality over the years.
Seems to me like you dont really want to be astethic and jacked, and you are just following the lifestyle or whatever.

Go deep into your mind, and ask this yourself:
Is lifting going to help me? Do i even want to lift? Do i really want a nice body?

There is nothing wrong with being a dyel normie. You only live once. Do what makes you happy, nothing more, nothing less.

>>42625787
ur a retard for comparing us dyels to rich pannini.

>>42625810
>>42625751
>>42625787


HE DIDNT DIE FROM ROIDS YOU DUMB FUCKS

>>42625837
>they aren't costly anywhere
S T R A Y A
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>>42625837
Steroids are legal in Japan, but domestic sources are expensive.

>tfw the plebs are going to judge steroids even more now
>they just ignore the fact that him and zyzz snorted up coke like a fucking vacuum cleaner

Sad.

>>42625345
>minox
>dht blocker
lol

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>>42625870
>>42625926
it's really not expensive though. my prices in Canada are higher than yours (pic for yours) and our money is worth less/your wages are like twice ours

>>42625937
then maybe don't order domestic, though even domestic I really doubt it's that expensive.

>>42626028
Meh knee jerk gonna knee jerk.

1 in 3 deaths in in the U.S. is from heart disease, then there's all the diabetes, pcos, cancer, etc.

Being fat is the biggest risk factor, though I suppose eating like a true fatty and roiding+lifting without being fat may also be a risk factor (CT Fletcher).

>>42626084
Test E is typically $110 in Aus, others more.

>>42626122
then don't order from shit sources. again, my pic is from a verified aus source.

>>42626028
Yep even mark bell talked about Rich's drug habit. I thought it was a little untimely for him to talk about his drug problems right after he died but oh well.

not asking about sources but do you guys get your gear domestically or order it?If you do order it is it from deep web marketplaces or the clearnet?

>>42626084
Some Japan prices, in USD
Test C 200mg/mL $62
Test E 300mg/mL $85
Tren A 75mg/mL $110
Tren E 100mg/mL $120
Tren Mix 200mg/mL $170
Mast E 200mg/mL $150
Deca 100mg/mL $90
Deca 300mg/mL $130
EQ 300mg/mL $100

>>42626170
I'd avoid the deep web for now given what just happened.

>>42626170
Order it from the clearnet. It's legal to buy steroids in the UK, it's just illegal to sell them.

>>42626185
but you can import legally and you're right next to China... you could be paying 20 usd a vial and that's if you don't want to homebrew

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Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?

Former alcoholic here, had liver problems in past.

Is it safe for me to take tbol now? Because I heard you can't drink on it but now I'm sober is it okay/

>>42626280
>tbol
fuck off retard

>>42626295
Why are you mad bud?

>>42626206
Yes and no.

You can import a "30 day supply" of prescription medication. I haven't tried ordering "large" amount of any steroid that has no prescription, but without a defined prescription, they probably wont hold it back unless they ask you specifically how much you use per day etc.

For example, I an order of small amounts of tudca, lgd, superdrol, anavar, tbol, dbol, and anadrol all stealthed powders.

I told them what it was when they caught it (scanners pick out the powder directly in stealth packaging btw I went in person and got to briefly see the scan), and they told me that the anadrol was over the limit.

You have to call the Ministry of Health and tell them ref number and they tell you whats wrong and what the actual limit is for 30 days, then you call back or visit customs and they say do you want the rest of the stuff and throw this out or send it back to customs, or abandon the whole package.

Ftr, 30 day limit of Anadrol turns out to be 1500mg.

The only way you can find out the limit is by importing it and then being told, Ive repeatedly contacted the Ministry of Health asking about limits on other things, and they just say 1 month, then ask to clarify how much is 1 month supply, and they dick around and tell me 30 days times the prescribed dosage, they wont tell you a max limit unless you actually import it and break the limit.


Anyway, so, I think probably even 1 vial of test is over the limit, because TRT is max prescribed at what 200mg a week? Even if they prescribed at 500mg a week thats still over a month.

>>42626336
send it back to customs = send it back to the original sender

>>42626280
If you want no size or muscle gains then tbol is useful for that.

Its probably good for athletes because enhanced performance and strength, and you can cut on it and preserve muscle.

Unless youre cutting I wouldnt bother.

>>42626378
my deadlift is 170kg atm which i'm pleased with but i seriously need to cut, so i'm thinking use tbol for 6 weeks and keep my deadlift at that while cutting. after my cycle you think i can just resume eating as normal while retaining my lifts?

>>42626308
because you're here following the Jon Jones bust and you're retarded

ive made mistake and started cycle at too high bodyfat
do i keep bulking to maximize the gains from this cycle? i dont have gyno or anything just too much fat

The only worse thing than Rich Papaya dying is that now every natty and housemom will claim that roids kill you always and every time. Unconditionally.

>>42626588
How high?
Consider a recomp.

>>42626704
18%
i really want to recomp but i keep reading broscience on forums that you cant do that
i feel like therye not giving the drugs enough credit desu

>>42626459
who is jon jones?

>>42626744
Why not go on a hard PSMF cut at like sub 1000kcal a day, and throw in some additional cardio. You should be good in like 2-4 weeks depending how hard you cut and start a lean bulk from there.

PANINI BOY DIED FROM SNORTING STEROIDS
DONT DO DRUGS KIDS

>>42626781
this is pretty good idea
i will do this
ill drop my cals extra low because the 500mgtest-e protect my muscle hopefully

>>42626744
>but i keep reading broscience on forums that you cant do that

If fucking nattys can do it so can we.

>muh optimal gains
lose fat, build some muscle whats not to love.

>>42626781
>>42627020
ok i have eca stack at home from when i had cut before
i will do this
<1500 kcal, 200+ protein my maintenance is around 2500 and i use ECA stack

>>42627058
Sounds good.
Just drop back to a comfy 10-12% and do a good bulk from there.

What are you cycling?

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>>42625196
I'll make sure to use this pic for your sticky

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>>42625093
>19 yrs old
>1/1.5/3/4
I am >strong but small. I do have muscle, but I'm not fully grown (I hope) and have a small frame. 6 inch wrists and small ankles and forearms and shit. I plan on a 250mg test e twice weekly for 15 weeks cycle - if I take roids before I finish growing, will my endocrine system really be cucked permanently, even with sufficient PCT, and stunt my natty growth hormone gains that'll give me that 'man' frame instead of the teenager frame I have now?

no trolls please lads, genuinely want some opinions

>>42627291

If you can't even follow the simple instructions in the OP, then you're either not smart enough or not scrupulous enough to be using steroids.

>>42627291
why even post this? it is plainly stated in every single roid related wiki and website that you definitely shouldn't be taking test until you're finished growing, yet you're still asking this shit. even if 10 people reply that you shouldn't do it and one retard tells you it's ok because science is a gains goblin you'll just take his "advice" and do it anyway

>>42627443
Not him but seriously some of the dumbest people I know, gym meatheads, take steroids without doing a shred of resource. "Here take this" and they literally inject themselves with unknown chemical without even know what post cycle therapy means.

>>42626459
>best mma fighter in history is caught doing tbol
>suddenly there's more interest in the drug
>people want his success
>"you're a retard"

you remind me of those teens who get mad when their favourite band hits mainstream

>>42627641

Of course, yeah. I'm just trying to prevent that kind of stuff from happening where I can, because it generally leads to long-term problems.

>>42627680
>Jon Jones
>best fighter in mma history
what

p.s. tbol is shit

>>42627680
>>42627741


Tbol worked for Olympic athletes, but its a bad choice for muscle growth.

>>42626185
My retarded local prices in Norway:
Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg $80
Testosterone Propionate - 100mg $65
Equipose - 250mg $130
Trenbolone Acetate - 100mg $155

Tren prices are so completely retarded here I will never use it unless I find a cheaper source, probably one that is not online.

I can get it a lot cheaper, but then I have to order for over 6500 bucks and everything over that is 50% off.

>>42625787
He died from coke and adderall
Nevermind the fact that the dosages I run are a fraction of what he used

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>>42626263
it me hollywood celery movie star

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>>42628204
looking like a melon bucks m'lard

>>42625093
i had to come off first cycle due to serious medical problems and my endocrynologist put me on "pct" that looks like this - 2500 ui of hcg 2x week for 3 months and 25mg aromasin/day first month only. do you think this ammount of hcg will give a lot of natural test production ? he gave me this much hcg because i told him that i was low test in the first place.

>>42628576
What sort of medical problems did you encounter

>>42628576
Your doctor sounds retarded.

>take roids
>grow bitch tits
>balls shrink and dissapear
>die

lmao

>>42628832
I always hate people who just inject 600mg of test a week that they got from some random dude at the gym parking lot thinking its a magic juice, and then they bitch and moan when people call them a retard.
We've basically cracked the code to avoid ball shrinkage and bitch tits for almost every single person.
Even if you do get bitch tits you can slowly lose then with the right meds.

Only downsides of roids at this point is possibly losing hair earlier, and possible bacne.

>>42628955
>We've basically cracked the code to avoid ball shrinkage
tell me, I'm going to BnC for life

>>42628679
ye he's a doctor that specialises in hormones what would he know right !?

>>42629022
Arimidex & hCG for starters.

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RIP Rich. 4ever 4 scoops.

>>42629156
okay knew about that, thanks anyway. Also heard that hcg helps with well being

>>42629039
then why not just trust him instead of asking us

>>42628955
>>42629156
protip: don't run hcg the whole time just because you don't want your balls to be small. small balls don't fucking matter. one way trip to leydig cells desensitization, choo choo

fertility is still always a problem when on, even with hcg + hmg. coming off solves it, though, but it's not a solvable problem while bncing. ivf is always an option however but it's not the same

>>42629248
Yeah it is (luckily) entry tier knowledge now. And thank fuck for that, just means less people fucking up their body.

hCG is overall just great. Only thing is use needs to be regulated, as your body might grow dependant on hCG for its test production.

But since you plan on BnC for life, you might as well just not give a fuck at this rate.

>>42629039
Yet he puts you on a retarded and potentially damaging protocol.

That much aromasin is going to leave you feeling like shit without doing all that much.

And the high hcg dose is better off spread out more.

Why is Anabolics 9th Edition by William Llewellyn considered the best book for sterons when everyone calls his stack recommendations retarded?

>>42629039
I would never have the balls to claim more than a doctor who specializes in the subject.

Instead of listening to people here vs what he says, try having an open dialogue with him.
Listen to people here, and then next time you go to your doctor, simple say
>"So I've been doing some research about hormonal recovery and treatments, and I know you are a professional so of course I expect you to be more in the right on this one, but what puzzles me is how the information clashes with the treatment you propose. How could that be? I'm asking since I'd love to understand your stance and then stop the spread of more misinformation. For example, about the hCG, I've read that..."

Allows him to explain it. You might learn something.
Worst case he has nothing to explain and that kind of just leaves his overall authority at zero, which I doubt he will.

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>>42628576
>2500 ui of hcg 2x week for 3 months
5000 units a week is absolutely retarded. 1000 units is plenty with 2000 being overkill. You need to ask your dr about hMG. Longer acting and better than hcg in many ways.
>25mg aromasin/day
RIP e2/joints/lipids/libido. Way way way too much and very unhealthy.

Are you sure this guy is an actual dr?

>>42629498
Only decent drug catalog

>>42629537
Endos are all retards

Man I feel pretty bad about starting roids right now because I did everything right and didn't use them at my prime. I strength trained seriously for 2-3 years and got my bench up to 315x8 as a natural at 200 lbs and then I lost motivation to lift after an injury and pretty much quit lifting for a year. I'm benching around 275x5 now at 180 and just hopped on roids so I'm feeling pretty bad about being so pathetically weak AND on roids. I'm also cutting hard so I know it won't be getting any better

>>42627085
was doing test and dbol, ive dropped the dbol now
just got back from gym did 5/3/1 and 30 min liss cardio
i think im just doing 250mg test-e to maintain the muscle instead of 500mg

post pics, masT

Posted before but now shit almost hit the fan..

So im currently on my 2nd cycle, this time on 500mg test/w and 400mg deca/w. Got bloods done after the 7th week and my e2 was over 3 times higher than normal and my prolactin 4 times higher.

So, to the point... I am exremely jealous, get pissed off super easily, things start to fly and I feel like I could rip peoples heads off. Currently my gf is out of town for 2 DAYS and I am having a fucking hard time not believing shes not cheating on me.

First cycle was 500mg test/w and not a single burst of anger.

Am currently taking 0.25mg adex ED instead of e3d and prami 0.2/d. Hope this shit will go down soon or I need to hit the gym twice a day to keep my calm. AND IF I DONT GET LAID I GET AGITATED AS FUCK

This steroid thing is no joke.

>>42630855
this, I need to fap

On 500mg of Test E a week for about 4 weeks now, haven't really noticed any strength gains, really just libido increase.

This typical? Stacking it with ostarine too.

>>42631008
Give it 2 more weeks, it isnt a sudden "oh shit I will move mountains"-effect. Steady gains.

ay whos drinking all by themselves this night

i kno i am

>>42631785
Oh man I could go for a drink.

I feel like tearing someone apart right now. Strip the flesh salt the wounds.

>>42630949
Hey man I hate to be the one to have to hit you with this truth bomb but it's very likely she's going to fuck some other dudes while she's out of town. It's just how they think. She gets to the hotel, gets bored/lonely, goes down to the lobby for a drink at the bar, and before you know it some 6'3" black bull posted up in the corner is already making moves on her that she can't resist. He probably looks better than you and doesn't even need steroids to do so. She knows no one will ever find out, so why not? She's probably getting bored with the relationship anyways.

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>>42631870
only happy thoughts now buddy

>>42631870

tear some pussy up bro :)

>>42631949
Mirin'

Why are you drinking alone though?

>>42631951
Gf working night shift, porn aint cutting it no more.

>>42631008
How much hornier are you? I'm on week 4.5 of 500mg test e and 50mg dbol. I am a lot stronger, but my libido is the same.

>>42631989
no opportunity to drink with friends

and sometimes i just need to get drunk to get a reset.

it works.

>>42632011
Whatever gets you trough life, we all have our ways of coping.

What are you up to aside from drinking?

>>42631989

its good to keep the dick fit while the girl is away

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>>42632011
>no opportunity to drink with friends

>mfw I have no friends.

>>42632061
college starts monday, new motorcycle coming in also next week, probably also start working next week, might get a room next month.

shits going down i guess.

>>42632085
that was just my way of saying "no friends atm"

>>42632093
Sounds good, what will you be studying?
Also what motorcycle?

>>42630949
its cause you are taking half a gram of testosterone with 400mg of deca, retard. why would you take that much test, deca has a higher affinity for androgen receptor and only converts to estrogen at like half the rate. its retarded. no experienced steroid user does high test cycles for this very reason.

if you are on an AAS that isn't testosterone, and fulfills the role of testosterone in the body by activating the androgen receptor, like deca does, why do you run testosterone at all?

you could drop the T entirely and feel so much better and not need to use any AI

or keep doing what you are doing because reddit told you so

btw running nandrolone doesnt mean you have to run a dopamine agonist

you realize prami contributes to heart defects?

literally solve all your problems by dropping test entirely

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>>42632085

>>42632121
no idea what its called in english but its involving factory security and process checking. basically pushing buttons n shit and making sure everything goes smooth.

Derbi Senda 125cc.

>>42632151
>Derbi Senda 125cc
Very very nice.

Are you going for Proces Operator?
If so what Vapro level and where?

>>42632125
>prami contributes to heart defects
>deca is fine

kek

>>42632125
Why do people recommend 500mg test/week for a first cycle then, or do you mean combining that with other steroids is bad?

>>42632187
Combining. Why risk high test sides when you just stacked other compounds that do a better job without complicating things.

A base level test is a must in my eyes though.

>>42632177
oh shit son didnt knew you're dutch. Operator C yeah.

level 4 and its literally in town here

>>42632233
Nice, I've finished 4 trough shitty Arcus as well. Great to have, alot of companys will hire you even if not directly related to being an operator.

>>42632187
You want to see how you react to a moderate dose of test and 500mg of test also gives really good results. Second cycle, whatever goes, test/eq, test/deca, etc.

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>>42631785

>>42632187
because they are retarded and read it on reddit

high test cycles are a meme, alone or in combination.

>>42632215

there is literally zero reason to run a base of testosterone with nandrolone. nandrolone functions as a male sex hormone just fine. the use of caber or prami is pointless because they are damaging to your body and have numerous risks... people dont understand prolactin and estrogen issues. having high E2 magnifies the effect of a small prolactin increase. if you dont run test you dont have prolactin issues.

watch, just try it. if you run nandrolone on its own at 800mg (to make up for removing test) you will get way less sides and continue building muscle

of course this goes against everything reddit has taught you

>>42632284
im going through gilde. dont see a point in getting OV and being even more of a leech just for a different school.

>>42632293
;)

>>42632289
why would you care about how you react to moderate/high doses of test when you shouldnt do it at all? there is literally zero reason to run testosterone as your main mass builder, or at all when you are taking EQ, nandrolone, or any other steroid that aromatizes and supplies androgen functioning

i realize this goes against everything you think you know but far smarter people taught me what im telling you

all these bodybuilder problems, deca dick, high prolactin, etc. are all caused by running testosterone alongside an aromatizing steroid

everything in ur brain is telling you that im full of shit but i guarantee if you follow my advice youll see the light

>>42632313
>muh reddit meme

You dumbass I'm running a test base of 200mg which has no negative e2 impact.
No prami, caber, adex etc.
980mg Tren btw.

There are people having issues running no test and I'd rather avoid the risk.
Makes hopping of the Tren easier since the test base will be there regardless.

>>42632323
I used to have a weekend OV, go to school on my scooter and have every weekend drinking and shopping trips to all the citys.

>>42632375
does tren aromatize? you fucking dyel cuck

maybe know your shit before you try arguing with me fuck face

fuckin idiot

>>42632375
shit thats legit af.

might just do that

>>42632375
btw i wouldnt take anyone who runs nearly a gram of tren seriously who looks like you

the same person who taught me what i mentioned also says you are fucking retarded if you jump on high doses like that before tapping out at lower levels.

also, enjoy your parkinsons and permanent neurological deficits. have you read the latest information on how tren alters dopamine function and how this lasts for an exponential amount of time after coming off?


there is literally zero reason to run tren at those high dosages unless you have a suicide wish

and just because tons of people on reddit do it doesnt make it alright. fuck you are stupid

>>42632384
>no valid counter argument

Stay mad you butt blasted retard, maybe you cant handle the test because you know you're a little bitch deep down inside but at least give me 1 (one) valid argument why my test base is hurting me.

I swear to god people run shit like it is for reasons
>muh intellect
You actually are full of shit and you know it.

>>42632125
This post is 100% bullshit. You're gonna do a 19-nor without any test?

Good luck with that shit.

The problem here is prolactin. You can't handle deca.

>>42625093
>No source talk
Well can we talk about where to find buyers or nah?

>>42632435
you are so fucking dumb

i was talking to him about nandrolone you fucking mong
does tren aromatize?

. you cant even handle the fact you

>>42632438

another retard

go tell coach trever from enhanced athlete hes full of shit

its funny a bunch of random forum nobodies talking shit on info from the most knowledgable bodybuilder today

>>42632398
Do it. Its the comfiest.

>>42632420
Let me run what I want to run, why do you care?
I'm not the the one claiming people should run their shit in my way.

Also I bet you look at my pre tren pictures. Kek like thats an indication.

>>42632435
you literally dont even understand what im telling you

again, i am not offended by some cuck who takes a gram of tren

you are literally proving that you are retarded

you might as well be shooting meth

go read the studies on neurotoxicity of trenbolone and come back and argue with me you fucking moron


for any noobs reading this, DO NOT TAKE ADVICE OF PEOPLE IN THESE THREADS for the love of god if you value your health ignore most of what you read here, not including what i say to counter the dumbass notions peddled as knowledge here

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>>42632495
why

do

you

type

like

this

>>42632483
because you are giving people advice when you dont even know the effects of the drugs you are running. you are literally telling me to fuck off for trying to educate people so they have a full understanding of the risks they face.

keep being an idiot, see what happens. its all fun and games until the piper comes for his payment you fucking idiot

right, at this moment, the 1g of tren you are taking is significantly increasing your risk of developing dopamine deficient diseases like parkinsons. when you start getting a tremor in 10-15 years look back on this moment and remember i told you so

>>42632475
>calling people dumb
>says 500mg/wk is "high test"
>laughingfemalewithsalad.jpg

>>42632449
Reddit
Thats about as close as I am willing to go, already got a global 1 month ban before and served my time, aint doing that shit again

>>42632449
leddit

>>42632420
i chuckled a lot about this post. im not calling you retarded nor am i giving you right. just i cannot fathom writing 5 paragraphs when it literally doesnt matter

>>42632495
Why are you so incredibly mad?

This is the worst cry for attention I've seen in a long time.

>>42632520
I say running a low test base is a good thing.

I never claim people should blast what I'm blasting.
If you read these threads often you'll even find out I advice against what I'm doing.

I never claimed my dose is a smart healthy dose you dingus.

/fraud/

where advice given by random anons which goes contrary to scientific knowledge and the protocols developed by advanced steroid users is called stupid shit in favour of blasting grams of tren by absolute dyel cuckboys who jump on grams of shit before even utilizing the full effect of lower doses, who then justify their own self destructive tendencies by shouting down people with more knowledge and research invested in the process because they feel personally offended by the notion that they are fucking retarded

>>42632495
>DO NOT TAKE ADVICE OF PEOPLE IN THESE THREADS
I agree with this, don't take any advice, especially from this guy.
>makes a claim
>gets mad when people doubt it
>don't prove his claim but calls people retarded and "go read studies"

Go get a masters in biochemistry and argue back with me you fucking moron.

>>42632562
I agree.
Thats why whenever I come with a claim I link to studies.

>>42632558
you fuckin idiot, i was talking to him about nandrolone, an aromatizing steroid

you come in here and start spouting off about your non aromatizing tren and how you run a test base

you are so fuckin stupid

>>42632562
>>42632495

Butthurt samefag

>>42632557
>>42632555
Thanks brahs.
Sorry about your ban, I got one once and it sucked more than I thought.

>>42632557
i chuckle at ur body

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>>42632577
>>42632562
>>42632495
>>42632384
>>42632313
>>42632125

>>42632577
I said a test base is good regardless of compound (with a very minor exception, trest).

The fact that I'm on Tren now doesn't mean that my opinion has changed.

Provide information and facts, simple namecalling shows what an immature child you are when you clearly cant handle a simple argument or opinion.

>>42632645
most of what you read in these threads and reddit and varius other bb boards actually goes against what accomplished and knowledgeable steroid users and bodybuilders say

its funny

keep on parroting the forum talk homos

you folks respond with memes and other funny stuff but it doesnt change reality

anyone in 2017 running high doses of tren is either uneducated to its very negative effects or just doesnt care

there are safer compounds, and lower doses, there is no way you can convince me you will make so much more progress and gains and get so much out of 1g of tren vs 275mg
experience and experience of others has shown me the same, and if you claim otherwise, its because you are truly lazy and undisciplined

>>42632659
Perhaps he's mad because his hormones are fucked following his own advice?

>>42632629
oh

understandable have a good night :)

>>42632684
Hey guys, look, another baseless claim.

>Doing 1g tren does not produce greater results than 275mg tren.

Please

Just

Leave

.

Thanks

.

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>>42632685
Is this a case of the rare low test rage?

>>42632659
hiv patients run nandrolone for decades without testosterone and maintain full androgenic functioning

i can go to pubmed and search studies for you but what the fuck is the point if you wont read them? if the thing blocking you from having a full understanding is me posting the links, its not going to help you.

if you jump on a gram of tren first without knowing and understanding what you are risking and then tell me that my position is only valid if i post links to studies... well. thats your fuckin problem. its your brain, its your neurological processes, and its your health. dont fuckin cry when you have to start paying for it 10 years from now.

this shit isnt a joke, and it doesnt matter if you dislike how i get mad about it and make fun of me for it. we are the first generation that has seen doses being run this high for extended periods of time. i saw a guy on reddit who runs 700mg of tren for 10 months so far because it "helps him perform better at his job"

you will regret it. there is no reason to take that much tren. you are trading quick results for long term health. its yourslelf you are hurting.

>>42632720
Responding to ask if I can save your think. Word to the wise though, your stack is retarded and you should concede that you're a retarded for eating it. Best of luck! Nice tank.

>>42632659
anyways, your comment that a test base is good regardless of the compound if just subjectively wrong. if you had a basic understanding of how aromatizing steroids function as androgens and maintain male sexual and health functions alone without testosterone you wouldnt be debating with me. im trying to think of an analogy, but the truth is you are just uneducated. its not my job to make sure you know what you are talking about. you learned what you talk about off forums because this is the same line peddled by various other bros.

let me put this straight for you. any steroid that aromatizes in sufficient quantity to fulfill estrogen needs in the male body does not need to be run with testosterone. this includes nandrolone, trestolone, and equipoise. trenbolone, which you keep talking about, does NOT aromatize to estrogen.

>>42632736
What is your point? Lol. Everyone knows running a high dose of tren isn't healthy. So what? He doesn't care what you think yet you're still sperging out like a moron. Take a xanax buddy, you need one

>>42632794
furthermore, prolactin induced problems are solely caused by running excess aromatizing steroids such as what happens when you stack testosterone and nandrolone. there are dozens of long term studies which show hormone assays of patients on deca at doses as high as 600mg which show no problem with prolactin issues. if you drop testosterone when running it you dont have any of the sold called deca dick or prolactin issues.

you guys lack a basic understanding of this shit yet try to tell me im wrong. its infuriating but i guess dealing with retards isnt for everyone

>>42632736
Who says I wont read them? I'm not requiring you to link them, just tell me what and how without spouting words in between.

I'm aware of the risks (or at least partially). I'm not running this for 10+ months and go for an extended cruise afterwards.

Any long term effects are on me and mine alone.

Go ahead, educate me


>>42632750
All yours my friend.
I never said it wasn't retarted, its my suicide stack for a good reason.

>>42632794
>any steroid that aromatizes in sufficient quantity to fulfill estrogen needs in the male body does not need to be run with testosterone

Oh my god, this guy is a complete and utter moron.
Successful troll is successful.

>>42632797
this attitude that its alright to be stupid and uninformed is pathetic


just because i sperg out becuase it frustrates me how stupid some of you are doesnt invalidate these concerns. you guys need to step outside your mindset and understand what you do to yourselves. whatever. have a nice life you fuckin retards

>>42632839
>prolactin induced problems are solely caused by running excess aromatizing steroids
Please stop this! Jesus Christ man.. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about lol

>>42632849
Ty boyo ur a cool doggo

>>42632839
link the dozens of studies please, seriously, please link some of them. There are dozens that show this right? Find me 3 please.

>>42632858
i dont know how to respond without sperging out to someone like you, so im not even going to try. put together $250 and do the 1 hr phone consult with trevor from enhanced athlete and maybe learn something. im done here. its impossible to maintain composure when you are surrounded by this sort of thing


>>42632849
what else do you want me to say? theres no reason to run the doses you are taking. its unsafe and unecessary. the risks arent outweighed by the benefits. as you get more experience running gear and learn more you'll understand where im coming from. i admit i could use some tact when trying to help people but its extremely frustrating when i know what im saying is backed by medical science, clinical studies, the experiences and anecdotes of people far more advanced than anyone in here, yet guys like this >>42632858
try to delegitimize the truth

we should all try to help eachother and normalizing extremely self destructive behaviour and bad information is horrible

when im telling people in here aromatizing roids do not require a test base, and people are calling me an idiot troll, i dont know where to go from there. if people lack such a basic understanding of how male hormones work... i cant really do the educating. just understand that

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>>42632868
you're the one making wild claims with absolutely zero sources or citations....go ahead and enjoy your deca only cycle lol

>hurr durr this study conducted on the elderly or AIDS patients is totally applicable to everyone

Kys my man. 1/10 for making me respond

>>42632920
Since you think the dose is retarted (it is), what would you reccomend and what have you personally run and for how long have you been lifting?

>>42632922
nandrolone has been used as the for HIV treatment for about 30 years buddy. do your own googling

>>42632951
What is your cycle all-mighty steroid arbiter?
What are you stats?

>>42632991
No, come on, please link one. You made the claim, now provide a link. You also have google and you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you.

>>42632971
the guy i learned nandrolone only cycles from has been coaching pros for 15 years

ill let him know an anon on 4chan told him hes wrong, thanks

>100 tabs of 8mg ephedrine for 10 dollars
neat

canada is great for some things

>>42633020
if you arent willing or capable to educate yourself for your own benefit just to spite me because you dont like how i sperg out thats your problem. i dont owe you shit. im content in knowing that i do everything i can to minimize risk and enhance effectiveness of whatever drug stack i run.

im never coming back here. goodbye for good, literally blocking this website so i cant visit anymore

>>42632951
>its unsafe and unecessary.
Why do you keep repeating to what I've admitted before.

>the risks arent outweighed by the benefits
In my mindset entirely subjective.

I know that you want to help and who knows you might be right and we're stuck in a mindset that'll be the death of us.

But yes you lack tact, as much as you think you are putting up with out bullshit we feel exactly the same.
Some anon calling us retarted for how we do stuff, cant see that backfiring....

Then explain to me, simply, why upping my test dose on a deca stack cleared me from fatique with no added sides.
I've read some nasty shit about deca only cycles, and I'm willing to believe those posts as much as yours.

I'm legit trying to have a nice conversation with you, I'm open to ideas but I'm not easily convinced and neither are you I suppose.

>>42633022
Cool story bro. You really think steroid use is a hard black or white science? Morons like you show up daily thinking they cracked the code because of some retard endo they read from another forum. There are thousands of TRT doctors, coaches, lifters, and more all with their own philosophy and approach to roids.

>>42633022
I'll tell my professor in biochemistry that some guy on 4chan told me 1g of tren doesn't give any better results than 275mg.

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>>42632972
I've been lifting since high school. I've been decent and disciplined for maybe 4 years (26 now).

I've been crazy retarded but not for more than 2-3 months at a time, for similar reasons as you. I've BnC since 2014 and I haven't gone over a gram maybe 1250 total in years.

500 test with 350 npp or 400 eq add in 50 drol is fun for mass. 750-1k test is amazing too. 350 test 350 tren is as high as I go for a tight build for shoots. Right now it's 500/500 test dhb. There's a lot to be said for small doses. I have gone heavy for sure, but I don't use grams and grams anymore. There's no point and I should be more responsible. By 30 I think it'll be 250 test and 400 eq that's it.

Pic related was 250 test and some sdrol 10-20 pwo

>>42633022
And I think the most pathetic thing in this whole thread is how eager you are to bat for this guy that arrived at his own conclusion rather than something you did yourself. You are a literal cuck dude, lmao

>>42632313
>>42632343
you need to go back to gh15 please

>>42633052
Hahahahaha look at this guy.
Get this.. He makes a claim but instead of proving it, he gets so mad he results to name calling and leaving the website forever.

You're like a little child.

>>42633127
Don't sour the name of gh15 by telling him to go back to it. Gh15 would never recommend the retardation this guy is spouting

>>42633088
I'll certainly severly cut down doses in the future and drop the Tren.
Just have to reach that goal physique first.

You look great btw, but do keep in mind I haven't even been lifting for a total of two years.
As dumb as that may sound my first natty year has been in preparing the best form.
I've had great guidance from a long time user and wanted to roid from the very start.

>>42632999
>>42632999
>>42632999

This, come on!

>>42632999
>>42632999

Trips for truth! Trips for truth!
Come on everybody, shout!
Trips for truth! Trips for truth!

>>42633164
Curious what you look like rn brodie

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>>42633164
Thanks. I'm a big boy and I still see growth if I just force feed food and lift like a madman on low doses. I have brand new tears on my bis and thighs, and I wasn't blasting hard.

You could reduce dose by 60% and you'd grow about evenly. If you're searching for my opinion, reduce tren and pop an oral that adds fullness. Save your money, it's a marathon.

For the record, blasting heavy did fuck me up at first. Watch your health, high test initially fucked my knee soft tissues. Be watchful.

I bet that guy is crying to his mom right now.

>moooooom, people are mean at me and says i don't know things and *sob* i just.. know im right and.. they are so shit mom.. :'(

>>42633057
I really like your posts, and have watched them for maybe two years now. But there is an "elephant in the room". And that "elephant" is you are on H.R.T (hormone replacement therapy). I want to make it clear, I have absolutely no problem with this; in fact, at 42 you have little choice but to be( if you really want to be "athletic" ) But the problem I have with it; as some have with this video, is, it leads to false expectation( in anyone over 35 especially). Unless someone is a genetic freak, they will not be able to get that swollen veins bulging look. don’t get me wrong, they will look pretty good; but not like this wrestler and not like you. so, do you fan base (esp. the older guys) a favor and admit you are legally on H.R.T so you can maybe help people get to their doctors and/or an " anti-aging clinic" and get the supplements they need to stay healthy and active in to the 60's etc. where’s the harm?. i mean i know the stigma to this stuff even when prescribed legally by a doctor but maybe you can help dispel this a bit. by letting people how to do these supplements responsibly and legally either way i wish you the best with your company and your channel. i truly am not trying to bust your balls. but again, i don’t think is a fair for you to keep one of the integral parts of training over 40 a secret any longer. your body needs Test and GH to function properly and repair itself. sure, diet and hard workouts also integral parts of the equation also but without adequate test an GH their results with be GREATLY diminished and may even result in injury so consider coming clean i think it be good for you, and the sport and public perception. All the Best.

>>42633266
How do you feel about 500mg test e + 40mg dbol?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837307/
>In spite of its potential beneficial uses described above, one major limitation to the use of nandrolone in hypogonadal males stems from the fact that a relationship may exist between the use of nandrolone and ED.
>Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources suggests a relationship with the use of nandrolone (alone, not in combination with testosterone) and ED. Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.

oh no, it's like a baseline of testosterone is necessary with your nandrolone

>Numerous studies have shown that DHT is the active androgen involved in maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erections. Castrated rats treated with exogenous testosterone recovered erectile function but, when co-administered with a 5ARi to block DHT production, this recovery was lost (40,41). Moreover, administration of transdermal DHT in aging men resulted in improvement in early morning erections and the ability to maintain erections (42). In fact, one of the most common sexual side-effects of 5ARi’s (described above) is ED (43).
>Nandrolone has also been shown to decrease LH, FSH, and endogenous testosterone levels in animal models, indicating a negative feedback loop to inhibit the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis (44). In this context, nandrolone acts as an androgen receptor agonist that is not converted endogenously to DHT (15). As such, it provides negative feedback to the HPG axis to suppresses testosterone levels, further decreasing the available testosterone and DHT, compounding its negative effects on erectile function.

>>42633295
>androlone and other members of the 19-nor-androgen families have been shown to undergo aromatase-mediated conversion to estrogens in animal models (17,18,46). Nandrolone itself shows significant binding affinity and full agonist activity with the alpha-estrogen receptor (47). Indeed, increased serum estrogen levels in men have been associated with development of gynecomastia, increased body fat mass, and unfavorable lipid profiles—all contributing factors to ED (48-51). As such, it can be theorized that nandrolone should be administered with testosterone to prevent ED with an eye towards regulation of a patients estradiol levels

oh no

What is your current FFMI and what are your FFMI goals, /fraud/?

current stats:
>Weight: 82kg
>Body fat: 14 % (estimated)
>Height: 183cm (6ft)
>FFMI: 21.10 (20.92 adjusted)

goal stats (by end of next year):
>Weight: 85kg
>Bodyfat: 10%
>Height: 183cm
>FFMI: 22.89 (22.71 adjusted)

I'm thinking about having that fake natty look where people aren't sure if I'm on something or not.

Not sure yet if I want to get to 90kg @ 10% bodyfat, that would place me at 24 FFMI.

>>42633265
I'll post soon enough, I'm either a bloated carbed up manlet or a depleted mess right now. Gains are certainly there though.

>>42633266
I like to stay away from orals, using most of them aside from Var turns my piss the darkest shade of yellow and my family has a history of liver issues.

Money never has been the issue, time has. I'm under supervision of my doctor who takes bloods and have a scheduled full body examination coming January.

As suicideal as my current stack is, I do watch out for health isssues.

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>>42633313

>>42633327
Forgot link to the calculator:
https://www.thecalculator.co/health/Fat-Free-Mass-Index-(FFMI)-Calculator-794.html

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>>42633293
It's great. Basic and works.
>>42633340
Orals are goat

>>42633313
>>42633295

But coach trever from enchaned athlete said.. something that.. you know.. things.. and there are dozens of studies that show that im right but.. you have to find them yourself...

>>42633348
>>42633327

Result:

■ Lean mass = 166.15 lbs (or 75.36 kg)

■ Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) = 22.07

■ Adjusted FFMI = 21.76

Goal 100kg @ 10% bf, not on any cycle right now but i guess i have to if i wana reach that goal

How low should my bf% be before starting a cycle? I'm currently at 17%

>>42633439
preferably 12%-13%

>>42633468
alright, cutting sucks
How fat do you allow yourself to get on a cycle?

>>42633503
You should never lose abs.

>>42633510
I have abs at 17%.. I have lots of visceral fat, genetics i guess

>>42633327
>88kg
>14%
>184cm
>22.16 adjusted

want 95-100kg @ 10-11% bf

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>>42633538
Fuck you

if u cut big defeicit psmf lyle mcdonald how much testosterone to prevent muscle loss 250 or 500

>>42633631
That would depend on how much muscle do you have, 250 should be enough for most people

>>42633677
thx

>>42625787
> I'm going to stop driving my mini van to the grocery store because ayrton senna died in a formula one crash
Excellent post

>>42633687
Np bb

>>42629537
Endos don't specialize in endogenous hormones though. It's in their field but their training is mainly about congenital sex hormone issues and acquired endocrine pathology like diabetes. The subject is barely even studied. Look at the paucity of sources on pub med. Medical research requires funding, irb approval, and initiative. Almost no one specializes in endogenous anabolic disorders.

What do you use for joint issues?

>>42634233
BPC-157 i've heard is good.

deca can also be used therapeutically at low dosages.

extra fish oil supplementation also.

>>42634233
Supps are fish oil, msm, and that other one
Pep tbc, mosgrf, grhp 2
Roids: eq, var deca, but the roids kinda cover them up

>>42634233
tb500 2mg twice a month
Haven't had issues in ages

Let us say that I let my SO inject 1ml of 100mg test prop in her glute for the lulz.

What can I expect, if anything?

>>42634802
Her pinto bean to become a mighty carrot if you catch my drift

>steroids thread
>reddit link in the fourth fucking line of the OP
Hm

>>42634824
Mite B cool

>>42626200
I see
So i can just google about that stuff and order it from whatever site?

>>42634802
Honestly, I have no idea. The overall exposure to the elevated blood serum levels would not be for very long at all if you're using prop. So anything you theoretically might feel would just be acute effects of really high testosterone. Maybe she would get really horny? Obviously it's not enough time to produce hair growth, clip hypertrophy, vocal changes, etc..

Probably nothing would happen. Also 100mg is a huge dose for a woman. Do 50 and report back

how do I learn to cum from bjs? my girl's are super good but I just can't cum and it's making her frustrated

I can cum in like 20 seconds of pounding hard if I really want to though so it's not like I normally have a hard time cumming

>>42635135
Just facefuck her

>>42635135

Have you tried not doing anything for like a week? Sometimes, if I'm having a lot of sex, I lose some sensitivity and can't finish from just oral.

Obviously, that's not practical for every time you want a blowjob. but it would help to rule that out.

>>42633088
ayyy i just started dhb too, i have leftover bold ace so im doing test/dhb/bold 500/400/350

>>42635420
Whew a lot of bold gonnabe vascular and delty

>>42635441
im rip in pip but its not intolerable. started the dhb only couple days ago but the bold about a week and a half ago and im hungry all the time

Can I roid up past my natty limit and, after that, stop roiding and keep them gains?

If so, how?

>>42631785
me. I bought a sixer of some 7% ipa and a arrogant bastard bomber and im really thinking its not gonna be enough. hold me.

>everyone ITT is going to fucking die young

>>42632125
Dude are you serious?
Deca shuts you down like a motherfucker
But yeah, he could ease way up on the te

>>42635254
Woah Bimbo is back I've been gone for a few weeks what'd I miss?

Do steroids make you stupid or are stupid people more likely to do steroids?

>>42636275
both

>>42635933
Good. Better a short amazing life than a long boring one.

>>42636078
Bunch of retards being retarded, crusader being abusive, masT memeing, bunch of bodybuilders dying, something about "mature muscles", the usual.

Oh and bimbo is happy now which is nice :)

>>42636331
>muscle memory
never forget

Would stacking clen and test e while eating at a slight surplass produce some lean bulking results?

>>42636474
FUCK I meant muscle maturity

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>>42636331
https://soundcloud.com/irvingforce/meat-grinder-city

Got loads of tbol and winny

Which would you add to a cut?

>>42637294
neither if you're cutting from anywhere above 16%

if you're trying to shred to single digit bf from still relatively low bf then winny

>>42637319
Yeah working my way towards single digits near 10%

Also hoping for it to kill my appetite

Much appreciated

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>>42637333
Mirin jerrbears

Been running sustanon 250 every 3.5 days (second cycle, first was test-e).

Realistically how much better would it be to adjust the dose and switch to EOD? I read a lot of people say the difference is negligible...

>>42632716
desu theres a lot of people on huge doses of tren who are getting no more out of it than they would a couple hundred mgs

>>42637771
Saw a recent Dorian Yates interview and he mentioned his doses were always far far lower than what he sees even casual users take these days. Drugs give diminishing returns, we all know that, but at what level exactly is unknown. He also only hit the gym 3 times a week for 45 minutes. Pretty crazy because his physique was so fucking impressive.

Is boron a steriod?

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I've always found traps/trans disgusting... until I started tren

Is there a scientific reason why I wanna fuck a feminine body with a dick?

>inb4 gay

>>42637319
They will both help maintain muscle and strength vs taking nothing, I assume you people would want that.

>>42638322
>Is a chemical element, the fundamental building block of molecules a complex arrangement of molecules made up of many different elements

2/10 making me respond

>>42638557
Tren makes you a raging homosexual, and lunatic.

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>>42638566
Yeah... but why

>>42638557
You do realise than tren transcribes a bunch of genes right?


There is one gene that tren transcribes from DNA into RNA that scientists think may be one of the causes of homosexuality.

>>42638570
See >>42638578

Afaik some of the genes being transcribed are the some of the same genes that are expressed much more commonly in homosexual men.

Also thats not all.. the same as above but with pedophilic men

>>42638578
Bullshit, there has never been any human research done on tren. If you have proof, or even a medical professional saying this out of his ass, feel free to show us.

>>42633045
i got 100 25mg tabs for $6 lol

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>>42638557
Dude same, literally been pricing up a ts escort for the last week.

Thinking about this one atm?

>http://london.backpage.co.uk/TranssexualEscorts/massive-pream-sexy-gfe-8-inchs-new-photos-update-vdo-available-now-447460327589/30491188

>>42632562
What a fag.
>But muh professional steroid user friend said so
>Thinking that when something has affinity for the androgen receptor, it does the same thing as testosterone.
Are you really that stupid?

>>42632951
>trevor from enhanced athlete
So you are basically taking advice from someone and thinking its holy fact just like that? You know people are subjective don't you?

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WTF, woke up this morning and Rich is dead.

F

So if taking a short half life steroid (a la oral steroids) all at once at pre-workout instead of spread throughout the day still works quite well (and better according to some).

Why cant we just do one dose of HGH prior to workout (or perhaps post workout)?

It doesnt seem like you need a constant level for good results.

fuck i just noticed my sterile water is just plain water, not bacteriostatic.

rip my PCT

>>42637359

I've heard sust is optimal EOD because of the two prop esters

>>42638952

how long have you been sleeping for?

How often do you guys have to shave? I have to shave everyday and yet I only grow beard on my neck

Anyone fasted here on gear before?

>>42639570
how did you "notice" that?

>>42640137
He took the cap off

hi i use psmf <1500 calroies workout 5/3/1 4 times per week and 30min liss carddio when i do that i am 76 kg 18% bodyfat on 250 test-e how long until am 8% bodyfat or 10%

Getting close to a week into the Ligandrol cycle, so far it's been fine.
Some slight lethargy at first but that's gone now.
I hear it takes time to really kick in so we'll see how it goes.

dbol made my blood pressure crazy high
when does this effect wear off? i stopped it

>>42640382
Takes a while. Same with me. Anadrol didnt raise my blood at pressure at all over the small raise (a few points) test gave me. Nothing like the 150/95 shit on dbol.

I just came off totally and waited for it to go down first.

>>42640400
thx

Is 319 pmol/L free T low test?

>>42640695
yes

>>42640343
Takes about two weeks, you'll know when you start sweating like a madman.

>>42640705
How low? Should I get a needle ASAP? 23yo

is this physique achievable naturally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEPUCU9n6As

>>42640762
go to t-nation forum hormone replacement subsection

Who else /lonely/? Shit sucks having nobody to care about or who cares even the slightest about you.

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>>42640826
D a k i

>>42640762
The legal definition was 300, recently changed to 250, but you will most probably feel negative effects of low t at that level. Your doc won't prescribe based on it in most cases but if it were me I would hop on trt for sure.

>>42640983
I may as well, at least I'd have something. Thing is I never thought I was a bad person or weird enough to not even be thought about. Nobody reaches out and invites me anywhere or texts me. I ask others if they want to do various activities and it's always oh I'm busy with some random ass shit. It just hurts.

>>42641031
fairly certain you're confusing total test in ng/dl with free test in pmol/l here

IF U BLAST AND CRUISE DO U USE ALWAYS HCG

>>42641658
250 2X HCG EVERY WEEK ALWAYS?

>>42641658
>>42641667
NO

>>42641178
Yes he is

>>42641178
Yes, you're right, thank you I didn't notice that.

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how did he beat the tests with tbol up until he didnt, and why would he take it the day before the fight

I forgot how weak I used to be when not blasting. I just came off 250mg Tren E + 125mg Test E e3d, and am now cruising on 75mg Test E e3d and my recovery is shit.

I guess I'll have to change my routine.

How do you know if your adex is working. I started one .5 EOD, now I'm .5 every day. Very minor Gyno still isn't showing any sign of retreat. Shall I up it to 1mg ed for a week?

Currently in PCT

I went out of town this weekend and forgot my clomid/ nolva at home

I took it yesterday and I'll be home tomorrow but I have to skip my dose for today. Is this a big deal or no? Should I double up the dose tomorrow or just continue on like nothing happened?

>>42639871
I was drinking late and didn't get out of bed until midday.

>>42640030
Interested in this, but unless you take time off work I don't see how it's possible to function properly anyway. I tried an 800kcal protein only diet before but gave up after 12 days because it was too hard to concentrate at work.

>>42644159
Adex stops the creation of new estrogens, it downs do anything about estrogen already in your blood. Gotta wait a while for it to go away or start popping a SERM.

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The sheer volume of carbs I need to eat to keep my blood sugar up after this training is incredible. 100g down already, and I can feel the need for more.

>>42640983

Jerry turned to dakis, trying to make his daydreams real. But they don't take the place of a woman's face and her feel.

That pic is pretty fucking funny, though.

>>42642842

I've heard that they have masking agents for that stuff, so you don't get popped if there are residual amounts in your system. Maybe he ran out unexpectedly or they improved the test.

>>42644246
Thanks, I gots nolva, is that ok to take whilst still on cycle?

>>42644533
No

>>42644533
Get ralox. Nolva is ok as an absolute last resort but if it is physically possible to do so, buy Raloxifene.

>>42640382
wow if ucekd up
i was using my blood pressure machine wrong
thought u had to rest it on lap but u have to put near heart now its normal

Is TRT for life? Will my test levels ever get back to normal after a few cycles with proper pct or will I have to get back on gear every once in a while?

>>42644747

TRT is forever, unless you get some alternative treatment that makes your body do stuff better on its own.

>>42641045
Iktfb
Sucks to just be passed over
Its like you may as well not exist
Although I never ask anybody to do anything

>>42644255
I mean Im in bed with the girl I love rn
So dakis work

>>42644243
The secret to pmsf is to do it at work
Im actually more productive on pmsf because I take less time to eat at work

I want to do my first tren cycle and was thinking of doing a bulk on it since I hear it will make you lose fat and gain muscle. How many mgs a week of test and tren should I run? 250/250, or is there a better ratio?

WHAT DO HIGH LEVEL POWER / LIFTER / BODYBYULDER DO BLAS TNAD CRUISE LIKE ANTI ESTROGEN AND HCG HOW DO THEY USE IT?

>>42644815
If I have mediocre test (like 400) and do a few cycles to get a head start, would I get back to the 400s after pct and maintain my gains exercising and eating properly?

>>42644972

Can't say anything about the test levels, really. There's anecdotal evidence for a range possibilities, but nobody does studies due to legal and ethical reasons.

As for the gains, you can almost definitely maintain gains from a couple of cycles, so long as you have your diet and training sorted properly.

>>42644932
Toppest kek

>>42644972
After my first cycle / PCT my test levels came back higher than when I was natty (test and anavar)

I'm in PCT from my second cycle right is which had tren in it so I'm interested to see what recovery is like
>>42644918
I did 210 test and 350 tren to start off and ended up bumping the tren to 490 by week 4. Low test high tren is prime, almost 0 sides and I felt amazing until the last 2 weeks of the cycle (10 total)

>>42645076
Thanks man. So would 250test/500tren work well? Is there anything diet wise I need to chnage? Or keep it the same as a regular bulk?

>>42645091
.3 test and .5 tren a day (210 and 350 if your shit is 100mg/ml) keep up with aromasin, have caber on hand, and bump up the tren if you feel good with it. Start lower tho

>>42645091
>>42645383
Id definitely keep it to 8 weeks tho, by week 8 I was getting trensomnia and feeling shitty physically and mentally. The first 1-8 weeks I felt like a king tho. Just listen to what your body is telling you

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>Did two cycles
>21 years old
>insane libido during PCT second time around, using low dose clomid and nolva for 5 weeks
>Post PCT libido is much weaker, hard to get it up for girls below a 7. Use cialis before I go out
>takes a really long time to cum on my own or with a girl
>never had issues with gyno

I know my natty test levels are fine post-pct because some months I barely have time to lift and eat at a 1000 caloric deficit, but I don't lose any muscle and end up losing body fat and fullness instead. As soon as I start lifting and get my diet back on track I fill up again within 2 weeks. I also make steady strength/size gains

I'm getting bloods done soon once I figure insurance specifics.

medfags, off the top of your heads, which hormones could be fucked up? I really don't want to use cialis anymore.

>>42645578
Sounds as if you're gay honestly

>>42645578
Libido is an incredibly complicated system of hormonal and neurological interactions. Betting bloods is a good step forward, but if I had to guess I'd say the problem is between your ears, not in your bloodstream.