/fraud/ steroids general

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Piss.

Anyone here ever done really short cycles?

I was reading some stuff from Dante Trudel (DC training) about gear usage, and he was explaining cycling in line with the normal flow of the program: 6-12 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Something about frequent HPTA stimulation helping with coming off later.

>>42527448
>That injection site
Imagine the pip

Why is Lex such a hot head?

I've never done orals but for my next cycle I want to try one.
I'm scared of a-drol and d-bol sides.
how does t-bol and s-drol compare?
what about high dose var or primo/proviron?

>>42527448
I really like DC Comics animated movies but that film was garbage.

>>42528924
From my experience Var is great and brings a great look to your physique provided you are lean enough.

Tbol is fine, not amazing but does the job for me since Dbol is my enemy.

>>42528924
The short esters should make trying certain orals not that big of a risk. Some people get no sides and love dbol (myself included) and others get too many sides, you don't know which you will be before you give it a shot. It's fairly inexpensive compared to other orals like tbol and anavar and yields much greater results.

Sdrol is extremely toxic, so it will not be a fun experience and must be run at a much shorter time than other orals.

Your best bet are, dbol or adrol. Those will give the biggest bang for your buck.

>week ago
>pin left glute
>train legs next day
>glute starts to hurt later
>no pain when flexing glute
>when you lift your leg up and turn it inside (picrel) you feel pain and pulling on glute
I don't know if it's pip or i've pulled my glute or both. Area was kind of hard before but it seems like it's getting softer. Anyone experianced this before?

>>42528955
I have only tried var but I agree, it is amazing. The gains are minimal, but it does changes your physique, especially if you are lean enough.

>>42529002
>>42528955
Thanks for your input.
At what dosage roughly do you experience diminishing returns with orals?
How long until you drop them? I've read anything from 3 to 8 weeks for a-drol, others running their oral for the whole cycle.
Liver support necessary or big meme?

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>>42529035
forgot picture

>>42529035

I have and I do not know why it happens. I have done 5 cycles, and only in my 5th it happened.

It is some sort of PIP but with an actual lump in my butt, and it hurts.

>>42529048
I forgot the dose and duration of my tbol, around 6 weeks I believe.

For Var I went up to 80mg, really brought a great look. Made decent gains from it.

>>42529048
Either 20-30mg of dbol or 25-50mg of adrol, for 4-5 weeks before test e kicks in.

why is var so expensive lads

>>42529072
>>42529086
Thanks my dudes.

>>42529096
Good things cost good money?

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>>42529070
funny (not funny really) thing is that i've been crying in previous /fraud/ thread about same issue with my glute. First time i had weird feeling in my right glute for over a week, literally next pin in left glute ended in long lasting pip and here we go again with glute pip.

>>42529035
This happened to me, i just started my first cycle and happened on my first 2 injections, maybe injected too fast? Idk

>>42527801
If you take only 2 weeks off in between you might as well not go off at all.. it would already take like 2 weeks before the steroids are metabolized completely (depending on esters).

Is winny the best for vertical jump, sprinting, and general speed?
is halotestin better for that?

>>42529193

Of course, this wouldn't be completely cycling off. I think the point wasn't to get the steroids out of the body, but to restart natural production so it isn't shut down for too long.

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>>42527448
Rate my cycle

Testosterone Enanthate 300mgl ( Test E300)


Pct:
toremifene citrate (20mg each pill x 20 just in case)
Arimidex: 1mg x 20 pills

>>42529443
m8 u retard?

>>42529443
where's the cycle?

>>42529169
Bad reaction to oil

>>42528924
my first cycle was test e+var and i loved the var, strength gains were on point and decent mass too.
i'd go for test e. instead of d-bol because on me, it gave me terrible acne on my shoulders and back, and they were on my shoulders for at least two months

>>42529035
same as me you've got shitty roids, that means they used too many solvents on it, so the pin stay sore for longer untill the excess of solvents are absorbed, it was literally a pain in the ass

>>42529760
And that is why you always buy pharma roids, so that you don't have to deal with roids made out of garbage materials.

>>42529070
>>42529169
the ester have some cristals because of the solvents, and the boiling point of those cristals on esters that lasts longer are lot higher than the body temperature, so the more solvent your steroids has, the longer it will hurt.
>for example propionates has a boiling point of 20-40cº and enanthates are about 60-80cº, thats why it hurts for so long)

>>42529775
yeah, but its not always that i can buy pharma roids, and the pain isn't that bad either

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What cycle should I choose?

2 weeks Androl
3 month 300 Tren E
3 month 150 Test E

or

2 weeks androl
2 months 400 Tren E
2 months 200 Test E

>>42529636
>>42529464
Kek my b

>>42529844
What will you take for pct?

Also are you seasoned? What cycle number is this?

>>42529898
Probably just Nolva, 2nd cycle. got the tren e given to me for free, or I would have gone ace.

>>42529921
Tren E is fine, go with 300mg to start.

Is halotestin the absolute madman of juice?
does anybody here have experience with it

>>42529844
>Update

50mg androl

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>>42528924
A-drol destroyed my skin
S-drol gave me good size gains
Proviron was hardly noticeable

Maybe I need a new dealer

>250 mg/wk of a certain source's gear
>1200 ng/dL
>150 mg/wk of that same source's gear (different vial)
>600 ng/dL
>had to change sources because first one vanished
>150 mg/wk
>1300 ng/dL

Well, we know this one doesn't underdose, I guess.

Considering Var as my finisher coming November for an event.
Good choice or are there better orals that bring out the best physique?

>>42530022
Good riddance I suppose.

>>42529133
Why is test so cheap then?

>>42530155
Because test is just the foundation for all the greater steroids.
Not saying test on its own is bad but it the end just test alone isn't going to cut it.

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>>42530169
>but in the end just test alone isnt going to cut it

dyel mindset

>>42530227
Moosey, I like you, but you aren't even a halfway close to the end where test isnt going to cut it.

are u guys just pathetic?

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>>42530238
what kind of goals do you have where getting called out for roids in public isnt enough for you.

Unless you want to look like masT, Test is everything you will ever need. It gives you insane gains and spáres your muscle no matter how hard you cut.

>>42530238
i agree with moosey tho. If you cant achieve goal bod with test alone you shouldnt roid.

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>>42530281
Unironically MasT is my goal.

I give zero shits about the public opinion regarding this and just want to pursue something that is giving me happiness and something to work for since a long long time.

>>42530296
What if goal body is 300lbs and lean?

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I'm really struggling to find any sources of test U. I'm flying to NZ for two weeks in November, how fucked will I be if I just pin a gram of test E the day before I leave?

I don't tend to suffer from oestrogen sides, but I've got no idea what fluctuating my hormones like that will do.

>>42530345
You'll run really low going two weeks without.
Which will not be fun.

Is nolva 40/40/40/40/40 sufficient after 8 months of test? Also have clomid on the way

>>42530312
oh well thats a different story then.

You gotta know tho, masT mainly ran test, with some mast alongside.

nothing srs

>>42530487
I'm aware, MasT also has been lifting for a solid amount of years and has some pretty good genetics on his side to reach that physique on low doses.

Maybe I was a bit harsh on just Test alone. Its fine, its great, but for me it never gives the quick result I'm after in this moment.
I'll be sticking to a trt dose coming December to see if I've got what it takes to maintain the physique I have at that point.

>>42530413
you should seriously run hcg for like 2-3 weeks, 500 UI e3D

8 months is alot
have fun with clomid making you blind

Does anyone else use Kratom regularly while on Tren to combat the mood effects, etc?

>>42527801
2 weeks off a 16 week cycle isn't going to do shit
bill roberts has a program of where you blast short acting roids for 2 weeks every 12-16 weeks, that makes so much more sense than what you are saying. in fact i think you misinterpreted what DC training is saying, you retard. >>42529405
if you honestly believe you can restart natural production in 2 weeks to make it anywhere worthwhile to even come off its clear youve been reading too much and have no experience

there is a point on online steroid boards where you will literally make yourself dumber if you continue to read them

anyways i have never seen DC reccomend the thing you are saying, i dont think you read it correctly.

>>42530345
thats a really horrible idea, anon.


guys, ive been taking 3.5mg LDN every night for the past week and im on tren and test, my balls have gotten bigger. it seems the LH promoting nature of naltrexone actually works, i didnt think it would considering the only info is anecdotal stuff on forums from 2008

poor man's HCG i guess.

>>42530281
what dose of gear were you on in these photos?

>>42527448
This image reminds me of this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzFMsfb9Q0

>>42530368
>>42530570
Why do they sell so many meme test blends but no one seems to sell straight test u? I got a vial of sustanon recently but did the calculation earlier and it's WORSE than test e.

>>42530694
Go with the deca ester or heptylate if available.

>>42530694
you sound wholly incapable of taking care of yourself while cycling if you cant get the right gear for the job. instead of blaming sources for not stocking what you want maybe do your own legwork and deal with your shit. you sound like a typical fuckin millenial blaming everyone else for their stupidity

>>42530694
and also, you looked up the constituents of sustanon, AFTER you bought it, and are blaming sources? blame yourself and enjoy your fucked up hormones on your stupid ass vacation lol

>>42530896
Where does he blame the source for his sust vial?
How is he blaming his sources for his problem?

He's just looking for a solution to a problem.
He's trying to find a fix, millenials just yell and blame but never find a solution.

>>42530936
yeah, im having a bit of a meltdown rn

Anyone had much experience of cycling whilst keto?

>>42527448
How do I deal with backne?
Fuck me my back looks like shit

>>42530888
>>42530896

>Ranting like a fucking lunatic because I asked a question
>Implying sust, tri-tren etc aren't fucking retarded
>Implying I'm blaming anyone
>Implying I've started this cycle yet

Maybe drop the dose mate.

>>42530982
kill urself and hope for better genetics

>>42530279
This is 4chan my dude

>>42530936
Looks like my best option is a meme blend of:
120 test e
120 test c
160 test d

I'll swap that in for test e a couple of pins in advance and then do a double dose the day before I leave. Not planning on fucking or making any gains while I'm out there, just want to cruise without low test symptoms.

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Before steroids...

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After steroids...

Do you think it was worth it?

>>42531352
Yes, glasses suck

How did that guy fuck up his bike race during Icarus so much?

>>42531352
Hopefully your arms are as large as your calves or you'd look ridiculous

Redpill me on sustanon 250, /fraud/

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>>42531343
After steroids...

Do you think it was worth it?

>>42531380
worst of all worlds

>>42531373
What do you mean? If arms are bigger they'd look ridiculous? Let me go measure my calves.

>>42527801
Sounds like bullshit man. Hormones do not work that quickly. Two weeks would do literally nothing

>>42531380
good shit

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>>42530281

Nice genes, great insertions

Height?

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>>42525534
>Also 2-3 bumps a day of cocaine isn't responsible you fucking mong, and I'm saying this as a former cokehead. If you want to complete the Zyzz transformation and have a heart attack (blood pressure raised from roids + vasoconstriction, bp rise & increased heart rate from cocaine) by all means continue.

>Cocaine will make you feel dead inside before long and kill a part of you you will never be able to get back, believe me.

Grieve if you're around can you elaborate that last part? T bh I haven't used coke for too long (probably 14 days in total) so maybe I haven't been using it long enough to see the negative mental/spiritual effects manifest.

Everything you mentioned about the physical effects (vasoconstriction, bp rise, increased heart rate) about cocaine is true and I've experienced it. And it makes sense why I should probably hide my stash from myself until I'm off blast at least. But I'm wondering about that second part now because that sounds pretty ominous and would prevent me from dipping back into it on cruise.

I literally don't know anyone except my dealer and a few girls who do it who does coke, and I don't know very much about their lives. Is it just something about how you look at the world that changes if you're into the "coke scene" or is it more about physical brain chemistry things? For me I feel like the 2-3 bumps are fairly harmless like each bump is a substitute for a cup of coffee. I never do it PWO.

Maybe all this rationalizing I'm trying to do is a conscious fiending.

Well on the bright side your post has got me concerned enough that I'm just going to hold off on doing any more today and will certainly not be doing it daily. I still want to binge on the odd weekend with this one girl though, FUG it's so fun.

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3 questions guys..

What's much the best cycle for atheltic performance, I'm talking everything... Cardio, strength, endurance (excluding HGH)?

Average HGH costs? Not talking sauce but I'm seeing 120-170 for 100ui's from my sources (without water)?

Any top brands to look out for and underdosed labs to steer clear from? (Can you name at least 5 of each please)

>>42530554

You don't have to be a prick about it. Here ya go, read up and tell me what you think.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3t1dojhwbcxwjjk/AAAT2zZIXu119gXv17V_axF2a?dl=0&preview=Doggcrapp+Blasting+and+Cruising.pdf

>>42531768
test+eq

>>42531768
no source talk faggot

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>>42528953
>implying you wouldnt

>>42531768
>120-170 for 100ui
that is stupidly cheap. might be fake

>>42531695
*subconscious fiending

Oh and as a follow up, is there any level of coke use you WOULD consider to be responsible? I can appreciate that maybe on blast there is no such level but generally then

Is there anything wrong with pre-loading syringes with test? I'm drawing with a 25g so it takes fucking forever and I just want to do it the night before since I'm so shakey the day of the actual injection, Just one less thing to worry about. Of course, I don't even open up or attach the sterile needed until I'm ready to shoot.

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>>42531959
No nothing wrong but it's weird that your reason for doing so is "I'm too shakey the day of" - are you shakey with your hand holding the needle while you're pinning too?

>>42527448
That movie was so dumb

>smartest man in the world
>doesnt lock his door when secretly injecting super serum

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>2 people ask me what supplements I take
I need to stop taking adrol at work

>>42532345
"I take cell-tech and testosterone boosters."

>>42528006
shoulder PIP is nothing. I love pinning delts.

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rate my cycle brahs:
50mg test e:eod
50mg mast prop:eod
100mg npp:ed
4iu saizen:ed
10iu humalog:pw

other
tb500
bpc-157
cialis

>>42532649
I say its caffeine and nitrites for pumps
But its clearly making people suspicious and Im up 18 lbs in 2 weeks which doesnt help

>>42533011
>Im up 18 lbs in 2 weeks
how much are you taking?

>>42533030
500 test, 1500 eq, somewhere between 50 and 100mg adrol, I just squirt it in my coffee desu

>>42533030
it's jerry he just gained fat

So I've developed my first side effect from my cycle and it's fucking really annoying me.

You know that weird feeling you get in your dick when you nut on a full bladder and immediately after nutting you take a piss? It's like some weird internal tingling that happens in the penis and gooch region. It kinda feels like you have to constantly piss or shit.

Anyways, I've been waking up every morning with this sensation and randomly developing it throughout the day. If I jerk off it goes away but fuck is it annoying

>>42533410
Get blood test for PSA and other prostate health markers asap

>>42533410
might have a uti bro.

>>42533445
Interesting. I suppose I'll add that to my list of blood tests when I order it in a week or so. I just started a new supplement regiment too so I'm going to stop using those for the next few days and see if it goes away. I used to experience this all the time when I was younger but it was basically down to just once every few months prior to roids

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Final natty pic
Blast kicking off again. Diet and training better than ever.

Gf accepted new job starting in a few months so will be moving.

VERY END OF 2017YOK

>>42533482
>>42533445

It's not a UTI, I've had this exact same sensation since puberty. I'm surprised you guys don't know what I'm talking about. According to google, it's very common. This is the most reasonable answer I can find thus far.

>I'm not a doctor, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that nothing is wrong with you. Every sexually active male on the face of the planet will have to deal with this at some point or another.

What happens is the fluids that are secreted to lubricate the inner lining of the urethra remain there for some time after ejaculation, usually 5 to 10 minutes. These fluids are NOT soluble in water. If you've ever ejaculated in the shower, you've noticed that the ejaculate becomes VERY sticky and difficult to remove from the fingers and hands. This is what happens when your urine passes over the remaining fluid in the Urethra.

Here's the bad news: it's going to hurt, no matter what. But you CAN help it to exit the penis faster by taking a hot shower. This helps the penis to relax and aids the body in doing its job.

You can prevent this painful occurrence rather easily by not urinating and ejaculating within 10 minutes of one another. Urinating BEFORE ejaculation seems to cause people far fewer problems, but if you urinate directly AFTER you ejaculate, you can expect this painful sensation nearly every time.

Also, urine is sterile, so should you decide to urinate before sex, the remaining drops in the urethra should not cause you or your partner any problems.. just in case you/he/she was wondering.

Good luck, and godspeed.

I'm 21 and I am about to do 500mg of test a week for 16 weeks. If i do this can kiss growing any taller goodbye? Im 6ft but i want to see if i can get another inch or so.

>>42533787
If you keep your estrogen levels low you could be fine.

>>42533515
Kahuna your girlfriend has something seriously wrong with her if she hasn't gotten as far away from you as possible, you're cool tho I hope you stay clean brother

>>42533100
>1500 EQ

WEW

I wonder if my roomates gf knows that I took her jorts
She keeps leaving another pair out on the couch

>>42533177
Pretty rude but nice jb
Jbflgf

>>42534075
Its so weak
And also side free
And how else will I turn my blood to pudding and leave humanity behind

>>42534021
Thanks bb

We are in love tho

brehs

how to into nice skin? My back and shoulders get this weird red spot shit everywhere but they aren't pimples. Will accutane help?

Is there any test that doesn't make you bald

I found a survey study of a large amount of different sarms from different sources.

The one that had the best LGD-4033 reported symptoms of testicular atrophy. If that's the case, should I keep a strong AI on hand? I'm thinking of doing a 12 week cycle and then 4 weeks off with PCT.

>>42534352
test doesn't make you bald

>>42534371
One that doesn't speed up balding then

>>42534356
balls don't shrink from high estro

>>42534157
>but they aren't pimples.
Do you have bed bugs? Jfc

>>42534375
test is test

>>42534395
Any steroids that don't activate balding?

>>42534382
That was more of me implying that it has high testosterone suppression.
I'm still learning but when would an AI be necessary?

How do you guys get your calories?

>>42534425
photosynthesis

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>>42534444

>>42534384
nah mang, they're a lot smaller than bed bug bites

>>42534420
When you have high estrogen. Not sure on sarms but if it doesn't aromatise much then you probably wont get high estro and the sides that come with it.

I'm reaching the point of minimal returns on lifting, not able to put on much more lean mass, even with my last bulk

the problem is that I'm close to my goal body. Is it worth it to blast, or should I just do a low-dose, TRT-style cruise (100-125 subq)?

>>42533410
>>42533553
thanks senpai
goddamn the times that i've had this is the worst feeling

>>42534468
depends how close you are and how long you plan to stay on. If you don't have low T a TRT dose at 125mg (weekly?) isn't going to do much for you if at all. You'll just shut your nuts down and get nothing back.

May as well just do a cycle desu

Heard some people say that you will look more aesthetic after 1 cycle forever even if you never go back. Any truth to this?

>>42534843
never go back to what?

>>42533410
i used to get this, took saw palmetto never again

>>42534843
It's possible that you have an increase in androgen receptors after a cycle which would allow you to better utilise your natural free test.

Don't count on it though.

I failed a bench press of 100lb and some dude offered me "recovery supplements" and if I "needed anything" to ask him.


I'm such a failure I was offered gear.

>>42535131
>Fail
>Bench press

Absolutely horrifying.

>>42535131
We all have to start somewhere.

>>42527801
6-12 weeks is a regular cycle, not a short one.

>>42528006
I pin delts with absolutely no pip. Only thing to ever give me pip in delts was tren ace, and it wasn't even that bad.

>>42535131
lol need that juice to hit that 3/4pl8 bench press

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>wake up
>time to inject chinese chemicals into your asshole
>prepare chemicals and surgical instruments
>open one alcohol swab
>it's fucking dry
>open another one
>dry as fuck
>another one,another one and another one
>literally all of them were cucked during production
>jump in your car and drift to the pharmacy
>got my money back and bought new alcohol swabs
>get home
>shove the vial up your ass
>30 minutes left before gym
>not enough time to eat and digest oats that were prepared in advance
>mfw
I just wanted to say that i was looking forward to eating this oatmeal because i didn't eat enough yesterday so i've decided i will add some raisins and shit to make up for those calories but life decided to fuck me in the ass once again. Now im drinking instant coffee and listening to eurobeat.

>pin quad
>aspirate
>get blood
>new needle
>pin quad
>hit nerve
>new needle
>pin quad
>success

I fucking hate quads.

>>42535424
Just do what I do when I pin quads. Drive the cunt in and hope I don't mainline a bunch of tren. Either that our pin delts, it's easier than you think

this is gonna sound gay af but what're the best compounds for maximizing masculine appearance / secondary sex characteristics? I'd love some gains but I also want to look more like a man overall

>>42535424
>pin quad
>hit nerve
>stings like a motherfucker
>feeling pain until the needle is all the way in
>stop
>quad starts twitching like a fucking camwhore faking orgasm
>bit of pip later like usual
>2 days lefter it feels like nothing ever happened

On the other hand every time i've pinned my glutes with zero pain or anything it ends with horrible pip.

>>42535467
I'm always horrified of snapping the needle off.

>>42535451
tren and getting lean

>>42526240
>I am spending +400 euro's on food alone each month.
i spend 2.1k to run 8 ius of legit tested hgh year round with tons of leddit reviews

>>42535451
just get lean and get T H I C C
also train your neck

>>42531959
The solvents in most gear will slowly dissolve rubber stoppers. Have fun shooting rubber.

>>42531695
Dude shut the fuck up. Nobody gives a shit about u wanting reasons to justify or not your drug addiction. Do you know how many people die and are tortured and raped and kidnapped just so you can have your little white powder weekends? You and your friends should be hung . Fucking scum, im not even anti drug, but you priveleged westerners are a cancer of he earth . Consume consume consume

>>42535509
>implying i haven't already taken the neckpill
I want to alter my bone structure. Maybe i should hop on hgh so i can get big ol man hands

>>42535451
Trenbolona with testerona, Anavar give up!

>>42535566
If you have the funds then sure mang, otherwise tren might give you what you're looking for

>>42535552
do you know how many nigger slaves in chinese factories died by committing suicide during the production of the pc you are on, the clothes you wear, the cars you use, etc.

Is anavar actually good? Have some extra btc lying around and want to buy something

found some legit dhb yassssss in the mail gonna be here soon YASSSSSS

>>42535603
There is a bit of a difference in the comparison between wicked goods and consumer goods m8.

>>42535620
>yassssss
stop this

>>42535636
YASSSS TIME TO SLAYYYYY

>>42531695
>cocaine will make you feel dead inside before long

True if you push it to the limits. Especially if you have an addictive personality

>kill a part of you you will never be able to get back

100% over dramatic.

To all the faggots who said "don't run gear at 18 yo", "don't even bother with oral only cycles", "if you run an oral only cycle, you still need PCT" and "30mg of tbol a day is way too little"

>run turinabol only @ 30mg per day
>2.5 weeks pass by
>10lbs gained, strength significantly increased
>literally zero side effects
>gains slowing down, so I stop the cycle short @ 2.5 weeks

6 weeks passed by, and I didn't lose a pound. Also didn't run PCT, which wasn't a problem at all.

If I listened to you I'd probably be running 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks. Get estro side effects and damage my HPTA.

10/10 would do again.

>>42535679
ok

>>42535679
kys

>>42535721
u jelly of my gains brah

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250 test cruise

What'd I miss?

High e2 or low e2?

Currently 4 weeks into 500mg Test E/w, 20mg Sdrol/day, 12.5mg Asin EOD.

Symptoms:hit
- Lethargy (Could be sdrol)
- Libido is... okay, but losing wood during sex
- Appetite is shit
- Lots of trouble falling asleep
- Just generally feeling pretty down/tired

Worth mentioning that my last cycle I didn't run any AI for a good deal of it and had basically no negative effects. Some minor bloat but that was it, no gyno ect.

Right now I'm leaning towards low e2.

>>42535415
first this happened, then i got ohp pr at the gym, at the end of the session im doing cable crunches and start feeling something weird in lower abs/upper penis area. No pain or anything but something weird. Now im scared i got hernia

>>42535530
Untrue. You can preload them for 2 weeks easy.

>>42535869
Crusader is still the cuck.
MasT is still the alpha.

>>42535869
Nice core development.

Bloods, do you guys use a gp, online or dont get any blood tests?
Ive checked out a couple of UK online tests and am wondering if needed to get bloods before i go on Test e or mid cycle and end of cycle, getting some conflicted answers at the moment

>>42535679
I've been researching this.
So much info and cycle logs using just orals especially var and tbol where the user had no downsides.

I think a lot comes from when people would hammer harsh orals (dbol) for months on end and then no PCT.

Considering Anavar's low andro activity and suppression running it solo with little PCT seems fairly mild and not high risk.

I have no problem pinning personally, have my own place and can afford AAS but it does seem odd when everyone repeats this dogma about having to do drugs this certain way when plenty of people including professionals have tried other compounds in other methods and been successful.

Anyone else sometimes get anabolic cramps? Haven't got them for ages. For example when I yawned I got that awful throat/jaw muscle cramp.

I've been off test injections for a while since I wanted to let it drop back to a lower level before cruising, but taking anadrol on workout days (feel fine).

I wonder if it's the drop in test or e2 that can cause it to occur.

>>42536595
It's recommended to get blood before, during and after.
Personally before and after should do.
I've used medichecks but they are not cheap however the panels are quite comprehensive.
Some local needle exchanges will be able to help you get blood taken although you usually have to ask for test as they usually are only checking for HIV etc

nipples are unaesthetic as fuck, how much would removing them cost?

>>42536731
I'll do it for $500

>>42536935
sounds like a bretty good deal

>>42529405
>Steroids still in system
>expect natural test production to start back up
What, are you fucking retarded? It takes fucking weeks for natural test to get back up hence the whole point of PCT without it it could take MONTHS. Jesus you've got a lot of reading to do

>>42537657
I honestly haven't noticed much of a difference with vs without.

Apparently nolva can lower cholesterol, so that can be beneficial post cycle anyway.

>>42529405
dude...it doesn't work like that. it takes the body MONTHS to even recognize the imbalance before it can start trying to restore homeostasis....two weeks will not do fuck all. your test levels probably wouldnt have even come down an ass hair yet after two weeks. that is almost the same amount of time TRT scripts go between shots for test cyp.

>>42538044
>>42538044
>dude...it doesn't work like that. it takes the body MONTHS to even recognize the imbalance before it can start trying to restore homeostasis

So it takes months before your body starts restoring homeostasis and lowering test when you start taking steroids?

>>42537708
Not everyone is the same or reacts the same way. Also you don't know how you've recovered if you don't get bloods, so just because you feel okay can still mean your test is at 300 whereas before cycle it was at 600, than you obviously havent recovered yet.

>>42538044
You're also wrong btw the body recognizes hormonal imbalances immediately because there is a direct effect on receptors and negative feedback cycle. Just when you still have some EQ (for example) in your system after 2 weeks there is still enough in your blood to suppress you hpg axis and your test could actually already be very low (if you took test e and stopped injecting both at the same time). Starting back up goes fast once negative feedback on hpg axis stops and GnRH, LH and FSH are back up. It just takes a much longer time before you get back in normal levels or close to your previous levels for that matter

>>42538142
There is no reason itd stop recovering before reaching peak natty levels unless there's an underlying biological issue for it, which would end up dropping you back to the reduced value after the serms dropped off anyway.

Anyway, if you feel good and can function normally, its really the main point.

>>42538186
If you care about doing more than 1 cycle than 'just feeling fine' shouldn't be the main point because you put yourself at a much bigger risk for non complete recovery as well as long term health issues resulting from lower testosterone.

>>42531695
>Grieve if you're around can you elaborate that last part?
Cocaine basically makes your brain flood with feel-good chemicals and desensitizes your receptors the more you use it. Also, since you know how good it feels (walking around feeling like god's own boner) after 2-3 beers for virtually the rest of your life, you're going to crave it. I had to quit drinking entirely for that reason.
It's a slow thing, but I know a lot more people that had to cut it out entirely because it was becoming a problem other than the odd unicorn who indulges twice a year if it's around and otherwise passes.
>For me I feel like the 2-3 bumps are fairly harmless like each bump is a substitute for a cup of coffee.
lmao come on man, you're fucking delusional or have some real shit coke if you believe this for a second. cocaine is stupidly fucking addictive, period. I have a ridiculously addictive personality so I can't touch it anymore. If you're someone who can use it, cool - this aint a fucking DARE special. >>42535667
>>42535667
>100% over dramatic.
Pal, I'm not one for e-statting but I promise if you don't believe this is true, you haven't done 1/10th of the coke I used to.

>>42535869
holy shit he's alive!
>What'd I miss?
Nothing but the typical faggotry. Year of Kahuna has been pushed off to 2020 due to sepsis or something.

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>>42535869
>>42538284
Only noticed it now. Hoooray for bimbs being back

REMINDER:
No amout of steroids will fix your BETA-AS-FUCK lack of personality, make you intelligent if you're dumb, make you funny if you have no sense of humor or a shit sense of humor, make you interesting if you're dull, make your face handsome if you're ugly, or make you taller if you're a manlet. They won't make you brave in the face of all the bullies that obviously dominated you, or make you stand up to your (step)father who used to beat you. It won't cure your crippling autism. It won't do ANYTHING other than give you circus-freak muscles that everyone knows are fake, making you more of a target for ridicule, mockery, and bullying.

>>42538380
>It won't cure your crippling autism.
Well shit.

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I keep messing up my ai
Im running this blast so amateur

>>42538315
Do NOT post that love live

>>42530296
Well you can but itll take longer with test only

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>>42538423
>not trying to become Diesel Rainman
come on bby

>>42530296
>on today's episode of "People Who Don't Have The Same Goals or Methods of Getting There Are Wrong"

500mg test with 400mg deca a week, week 6 and not feeling anything yet. Wait for another week or 2? Chest and shoulder acne is real since week 4-5.

Will do bloods tomorrow

>>42530618
250 test

>>42531516
thank you anon, 6'

>>42538563
You should definitely be feeling something by week 6.

>>42538563
>>42538714
8 weeks of 500mg test and still not feeling anything

>>42538772
Either it's bunk or you're injecting into fat. Get a new source and make sure to buy pharma and not UG gear. Test should be kicking somewhere between 3.5-5 weeks.

>>42538790
Test e *

>>42538790
Let me tell you subq works fine. If you were doing that youd also have a lump there you could feel.

>>42538801
It works, but it takes longer for it to work. It shouldn't take 8 weeks regardless.

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>>42527448
What do you guys recommend a fraud should run? this will be my first cycle and I just got a good source. I can get pretty much every type including pcts

Im 24 - 155lb 5'10 14%bf

>>42538772
>>42538714
>>42538790
>>42538801
>>42538810
>>42538563

these cucks are talking about the "meme" feeling, like confidence and chad attitude.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you dont get any feels from test. Only gains.

>>42538830
You need food not gear
But anyway read the reddit source at the top faggot

>>42538790
Did bloods, free test is in space. Im gaining weight, size, some strength but im not feeling any of those mythical superpowers everybody is talking about. So far gained over 20 lbs. No testicular artophy no elevated libido. I had very low libido before i started and nothing has changed so far.

>Test E should be kicking somewhere between 3.5-5 weeks
i've read that people "felt it" 8 or even 10 weeks in

>>42538830

16 weeks of test 500mg

Nolva and clomid for PCT.

This is the golden beginner cycle, dont change anything about it.

Well maybe up the test to 600 if you wanna, but otherwise its goocy

>>42538857
it took me a solid 3 months before seeing obvious gains.

libido is highly estrogen dependent.

>>42538830
>Im 24 - 155lb 5'10 14%bf

Fix your diet first and gain some muscle naturally. You're not even past your first 6 months of newb gains.

>>42538837
He should be getting stronger and endurance should go up. We're not talking about the psychological aspects, but rather what test does, increase strength, endurance, recovery and muscle mass. If you're not getting any of that in all of those weeks, then your gear is bunk.

>>42538857

>So far gained over 20 lbs.
Then why the fuck are you complaining? Are you retarded? You expected to become Arnold in 8 weeks? Literally shaking my head.

>>42538810
I think its only an initial delay for shorter esters, for longer esters I dont feel like there is a difference, and I can feel getting kinda shitty if I start pinning E4D to E5D instead of E3D on a small test E cruise.

>>42538830
>>42538862
I wouldn't go above 12 weeks for a first cycle, but I'm a lil bish so what do I know
Add some hcg and an AI too if you've got the cash

>>42538879
More than 12 weeks is fine, but you need to do bloods to see if you can do it or not. If your levels aren't too out of wack, extending it to 16 weeks is not a huge issue and will give some nice quality gains.

>>42538871
>Then why the fuck are you complaining?
Im not complaining. Guy is saying that he's not feeling anything and im telling him about my experience with test.

People are expecting superpowers after hopping on gear.

>>42534870
back to cycling

What is post var like? I hear good things about it but what about when you come off?

>>42539254
Let me guess, you want to run var only with no test backer?

>>42539254

wtf is up with people and their "var stories," it's a mild steroid with moderate strength gains and low muscle gains. For men it's added as an extra harderner for lean mass that won't give extra shitty side-effects, it's not a great steroid to run alone, as the results will be quite disappointing. Waste of money unless you're a female.

Var will also eventually shut you down just like any AAS.

If you're too huge of a faggot to inject, don't even bother.

>>42539303
>If you're too huge of a faggot to inject, don't even bother.
also where I was heading with this. And as an anecdote, I did the stupid thing and ran a var only cycle before hopping on test and it was pure garbage. minimal gains for weeks of hell while I was shut down. There's no true alternative to injecting, so either nut up or train natty

>>42539429
Trest cream

OP keeps forgetting the one true meme, LGD > Anavar

>>42539429
>In 2007, doctors treated a one year old boy that had mysteriously grown pubic hair and an abnormally large penis. Investigations revealed the father had inadvertently exposed the child to topical testosterone gel when cuddling him, which had been prescribed to treat the father's low libido.
if test gel is good enough for a one year old, it's good enough for me

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>>42538284
I text kahuna. He's dumb. He thinks his dog is better than mine.
>>42538837
Debatable. The most consistent sense of well being I get from 750+ test. 250 cruise has me p spot on too.

>>42539597
>abnormally large penis
I bet he will be thanking dad in a few years from now

>>42539597
I don't think test and DHT alone are responsible for dick size. I am pretty sure your genes are the major factor as long as you're not deficient in test.

My brother who is much lower test and doesn't grow much body hair (I get a fuck ton in no time at all) is much more blessed downstairs than I am.

>>42539691
we're talking about a one year old artificially entering puberty, here

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>>42535552
K although it does sound like you're anti-drug or at least anti-cocaine unless you also concede this point: >>42535603.

>>42538261
>desensitizes your receptors the more you use it

OK yeah I don't think I've gotten to this stage at least not yet. At least I don't need increasingly higher doses to get good effects - but I am sympathetic to your description of craving the feeling. Like yesterday after the post saying I was scared off of doing it I really wanted to do one last line and thankfully I didn't have the bag with me or I would have.

>you're fucking delusional or have some real shit coke if you believe this for a second. cocaine is stupidly fucking addictive, period.

Very possible I have shit coke but I don't think so. I might do an EtOH recrystallization to get a better purity for the odd weekend use (been told 70% and 85% by two different dealers but don't know them well enough to trust them or their competence).

I think probably the reason I don't see it as any more addicting than other things like weed is because I do get really good rushes from other things in life like driving, lifting, and sex so coke just seems like another sort of activity.

I tend to think of myself as having a mentality of extremes so I'm definitely going to keep your 1st hand experience seeing how people tend to overdo it rather than responsibly do it in mind. Definitely staying off it on blast. Thanks for your insights. I do find myself thinking about coke all the time and wanting to talk to people more experienced/knowledgeable with/about it, even if I don't feel like doing it because I know it'll fuck with gains. That's kind of troubling and I can see how it can snowball/avalanche into something much more destructive/consuming.

Probably better to nip it in the bud right now while I still can. Thanks for bearing with my faggotry about all this.

>>42538837

Not 100% true if you're low T to start with.

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>>42539483
I don't know if I'd consider trest cream an alternative to injecting, but I mean you're not wrong technically.

>>42539632
If it makes you feel better, my girlfriend came part and package into the relationship with a 4.5 lb chihuahua who is the bane of my entire existence - so both your dogs can be better than someones now. Also, have you run masteron during a cruise before? Got two vials coming tonight and I'm thinking of running 125 test / 100 mast for this cruise

>>42539691
I'm pretty sure they give HGH or something to adolescents with micropenis to beef up their wieners during puberty but I'm too lazy to google it

>>42539842
I have but desu mast shines with at least 350. No reason I can say to throw it in on a cruise. Just run a longer milder blast.

>>42538714
Well I get pissed very easily and things start to fly if im getting pushed any further, also the acne but no real size or strength gains.

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>>42539810
Not faggotry at all man, I wish I had been more cognizant of my own usage and cut it off before I spent tens of thousands of dollars on the shit over the years. I wish I could get back half the late nights I spent talking to people I didn't like about shit I didn't give a fuck about in places I didn't care for because I was all geeked out.
>been told 70% and 85% by two different dealers
Yeah I'm going to say you're correct in assuming they're talking out their asses on that one. Unless they're getting it right off the brick from the boat and only stepping on it themselves, or you live right by the Mexico border - chances are you're looking at below 50%. If you're in England, try 15-20%.
>That's kind of troubling and I can see how it can snowball/avalanche into something much more destructive/consuming.
I mean it is and it isn't, right? I'm not some puritan faggot who believes all drug use is a one-way street to inevitable addiction and death. I'm just saying that coke use is often extremely normalized (at least in my circles) and considered 'not a big deal,' but for a lot of people it can very quickly land them in some dark places which are difficult to crawl out of.
Everything else aside, stay off on blast unless you want to Zyzz yourself with some trannies in a Thai sauna.

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>>42527448
Bimbo's waiting room

>>42539872
Fair enough, I think I'm just missing the constant PR's and size increases from the blast and I'm looking for a way to get it back before waiting out the cruise. Thanks for the tip, I'll probably just sit on it until blast time then.

>>42539921
he's here now dude you can stop

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>>42535869
bimbo is back

>>42538862
I can get clomid but not nolva, I see you post here a lot, what would you recommend to replace the Tamoxifen

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Apparently they have a penis enlargement surgery that doesn't suck.

> huffingtonpost.com/entry/fda-approved-penis-implant-penuma-elist_us_56aa79aae4b05e4e3703b3b6

I'd say having an 8"x8" is worth $13,000.

>>42540012

Eh, reading into it, it seems it's a scam

Gf getting friendly with coworkers, going for meals and shit. Should this be bothering me brahs? Maybe this blast is fucking with my mind..

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I'm trying to talk myself out of using steroids for a few months and I can't think of reasons why I shouldn't. Why wouldn't I take them, reach the 'natty' limit much quicker and just maintain?

>>42540105
How old are you? How long have you been lifting?

>>42540127
22 and about a year

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>>42540105
>not roiding rest of life for premium life experince meanwhile knowing its only life you're ever gonne live

>>42540105
Yes there is nothing wrong with that
>>42540094
Depends who she's going out with. Have you met them? Would you consider them a potential rival? In any case you can just say you are getting lunch or dinner with a co worker, make up some chicks name and see how she reacts. If she gets upset you can tell her that you also are uncomfortable with her doing this. If she doesn't care then I wouldn't either. My ex use to go out with male co workers but I knew they were beta orbiters.

>>42535131
Dude's trying to make a buck off of you being insecure
Nothing to do with you.

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>>42540132
>>42540105
u've been lifting about year and roiding?

>>42538879
>12 weeks is okay
>16 weeks will kill you

i hate you.

>>42539810
yeah thats true

>>42539981
hmm daz no good, as far as i know nolva is more cruicial for PCT than clomid.

Toremiphene is really good too, try that or run hcg.

But you have to run HCG while you are on, never run it alongside with Clomid or Nolva

>>42540150
Thanks mate

>>42540148
Sorry, I'm retarded and I phrased it wrong, I wasn't roiding at all and I'm thinking about roiding for a few months

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>>42540174
>2k17
>not roiding
whats ur excuse

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>>42539908
>I wish I could get back half the late nights I spent talking to people I didn't like about shit I didn't give a fuck about in places I didn't care for because I was all geeked out.
Oh fuck, this hit home. Even though it has only happened twice, that was enough for me to REALLY reconsider doing coke with anyone at all (instead opting for primarily solo usage for purely stimulation purposes) - I'm a pretty quiet person and hate how people just can't seem to control the motormouth coke can give you. And I end up engaging in the inane conversation because it beats just submitting myself to their stupid ass stream of consciousness.

>or you live right by the Mexico border
I do live by the Mexico border (probably 3-4 hours away) and know at least one of my dealers has an actual cartel connect so I don't doubt it's possible, it's just that I HIGHLY doubt they have any empirical evidence to back up or support that number (the recrystallization will tell the truth).

>coke use is often extremely normalized (at least in my circles) and considered 'not a big deal,'
Yeah, it is similarly normalized to my mind. Everyone I know who does it comes from a good family, has some semblance of a code of conduct/ethics, and doesn't really tick any of the "degenerate" boxes (except for the coke use obviously). I don't feel like it interferes with my well-compensated job that could easily sustain a much more expensive habit, but I also see how that could be the danger. Everything's normal until it suddenly isn't.

All I need to do to will myself out of doing it is recalling how shitty I felt doing it pwo (like my brain was about to explode after decline bench) and then using that extreme example as an illustration of the effects that occur even when I'm not noticing it (vasoconstriction, higher bp, etc.). I think the hardest thing for me will be forgetting how fun geeked out fucking can be.

>>42540138
Yeah I met them. I don't consider any of them rivals, it still pisses me off though.
I have considered that, but shit could get silly.

>>42540205
The just tell her you don't like it n if she asks why not you ask her how she would feel if it were reversed. Just don't be a prick about it, be as genuine as possible.

>>42540225
Yeah, the trouble is I don't want to come off as controlling. I should just quietly rage about it, I'll use it as workout motivation, kek.

>>42540225
Good advice.

>>42540225
what if she says she wouldn't mind

>>42540275
You won't, women are delicate creatures and it's all about the tone you set. If you come off as a prick you will be seen as controlling. If you come off as potentially hurt or saddened by her choices she will have empthay for the situation, especially if you describe the reverse scenario. Women are sponges in that they absorb the emotion of the situation and after that the conversations tone is decided. If she tells you there's nothing to worry about, especially in a genuine loving way, I would not worry about it either.
>>42540329
If it goes this route I would just flat out tell her how it is. "Anon, I really don't like it when other guys are around you when I'm not there. Especially private settings, I trust you with my life, it's the other men I don't trust, I know men better than you could ever, just like you know girls better than I do, please respect my feelings" and if she does not respect them after that I would probably consider using her as a fuck toy from then on. Respect is mutual, forever and beyond. Don't ever forget this.

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>>42540289
bimbo spot me pls
long time fan

Anyone here ran lgd-4033? I added it to a test and deca blast a while back with good results, but the lethargy was serious for the first 10 days.
Why would a compound like this make you so lethargic?

>>42527448
Aight, so I imagine this shit is a lot more popular ever since the homosexual colored wannabe bear has become the go-to.

What do you guys thinks of Methyl-DHT? I've been using it 10mgx3 ED in place of Masteron and it seems to give me a similar appearance and when used at 50mg as a PWO, the strength gains are similar to 75mg of Drol, but with more CNS stimulation and focus.

Also, what do you think of their Methyl-Tren raw and has anyone tried injectable superdrol or injectable DHT (stanolone), if so how does it compare to M-DHT?

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>>42540204
>I do live by the Mexico border (probably 3-4 hours away)
Well shit, google acetone wash and give it a go if you're going to indulge, because in that case you could actually have some decent stuff. Hard to say without recrystallizing like you said. I hear acetone wash doesn't remove levasomole though which is still kind of worrisome.

>Everything's normal until it suddenly isn't.
Exactly man I never lost my job or house or whatever, but the broad I was living with / dating at the time pretty much ended things over it. She was a heavy user too, and would come home all strung out and lie about it / use it without me / stay out all night because she got high and didn't want to come home and face me when we were trying to cut back. I had enough and pitched her, though I should've done it a year sooner. You're 99% even worst case scenario not going to end up homeless and sucking dick for a bump, but stick with it long enough and the odds of you getting to a place mentally you didn't want to be go up. I have no proof whatsoever, but I directly credit a year of especially heavy use (for me, anyway - 2-3 grams / night, 2-3 nights a week on average split between two people) with putting me in a pretty serious depression it took almost a year and getting sober to crawl out of. You'll never forget how fun it is and hell - enjoy it while you can, I just hope you're safe about it man!

>>42540225
This is decent, >>42540275 isn't. You'll quietly rage about it until you don't, and then you'll throw a temper about it one day and it'll come across as super beta because you couldn't just say something. You don't have to be controlling, but if she's not openly and unquestionably loyal (and understanding of your opinion of this) she ain't fucking worth it anyway

>>42540394
>Methyl-Tren raw
Chem was the resident expert on this shit but I haven't seen him around in a while

>>42540394
Not tried, but heard it's similar to proviron, so should be good for muscle hardening when dosed right.
If you want a preworkout that will knock your socks off, inject some test suspension 30 mins prior.

>>42540479
Nah, it's way more effective than proviron; both in hardening and androgenic effects. It's strength effects are nearly on par with Anadrol (which, MDHT is its primary metabolite.)

It also gives you laser-like focus when performing olympic lifts, in my experience. I'm just curious as to how it compares with Injectable stanolone, as I've heard similar things about it.

Next experiment is 50mg/50mg Stanolone / TNE PWO.

>>42540541
TNE and stanalone should be nice brah. Bump that TNE up to 100mg though

>>42540560
but brah, I'd rather just inject 1ml and I doubt I could create a stable TNE past 100mg/ml - same goes for stanolone.

>>42540474
Yeah, I've asked in the past and he wasn't around. I saw some people get their hands on it; I've tried the injectable version, but in that case, it didn't seem much stronger than when Tren A kicks in at 400mg / wk or something.

Who here has started cycles with gyno already a little present?

At my current BF% its not hugely noticeable unless its hot and my skins loose. But its there.

I have an appoint for the gyno in a week, probably schedule the surgery for three months from now, cycle until then, and hope I dont lose too much post-op.

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>>42540595
He's the only person on /fraud/ or that I know irl that has ever used it so I can't be of much help. Since you clearly know your tren, what would you recommend if I wanted to do a tren cycle after this cruise is done? I'm 6'4 210 at the moment, just finished babby's first test e cycle a few weeks ago.

>>42540460
there is a dude in my friends cycle, really smart guy, everyone looked up to him. He was going to have a really good career with good pay, then he did coke a few times, now he cancelled his study and now on welfare.

I have a very strong willpower when it comes to drugs, do you guys think i could do coke just once and be done with it?
I did LSD easy peasy

>>42540746
i would honestly try raloxifene before you do a surgery. Its known to kill year old gyno for good

>>42540814
If you claim to have the willpower to stick to once, sure.
Honestly, I'd just skip it al together.

>>42540823
So I tried Ralox originally, actually posted about it here about a month ago

I had really bizarre and intense sides from it. However I now have a private practice GP who knows about my roid use (mostly), so I think Im gonna give it another try and just stay monitored. It gave me heart some really weird feelings, and intense leg cramps.

>>42540814
Also, coke is sorta insidious. You'll end up doing it the whole night you first try it, you get super fiendy no matter what, you can be super talkative for awhile then during the crash super miserable, then you feel off the next morning, and crave it pretty easily.

I did coke for a few years. I dont think its worth it. Plus coke dick.

>>42540747
I'd run Tren-Ace at 50-75mg / day using a slin pin with my Test-E base being 200mg / week; just make sure you have caber or prami on hand.

So, I've posted off and on here for around 9 months. Im starting my second major cycle today.

Well, up until last week, due to breaking off a long term relationship, living at home with rents, then moving cross country to Cali, I went a solid...8ish months without even kissing a girl. Longest streak since Ive been active.

I've been off cycle for about three months. Last week I had sex for the first time, and for two days had trouble really getting it up. Can't tell if it was nerves or if I fucked up my dick somehow post cycle. Currently waiting on blood results.

I even bought UGL viagra, and took 100mgs of it one night, to almost no avail. What do? Ordering indian pharma cialis currently.

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>>42540814
I think >>42540860 has it right. I mean I've met maybe one or two people in my life who tried coke and didn't instantly fall in love with it for at least a little while. It floods you with dopamine, you're talkative, friendly, awake, insanely confident, sober (or feel that way no matter how drunk you were), can drink seemingly infinite amounts of liquor, and so on and so on.
I mean there's a good chance you can pick it up, try it, and put it down for good but what's the benefit there? My personal opinion is if you've managed to get along this long without trying it to not bother. It's why I'd never try meth or strong amphetamines - I know I love uppers, and I know it would be too, too good.

>>42540896
So roughly 350 tren a / 200 test e a week? I take it tren a is to get full effect more quickly and to better dial in the dose if sides crop up badly? How many weeks, 12-14 recommended?

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At what BF% does Var make sense? 14%?

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>>42540460
>acetone wash doesn't remove levasomole though which is still kind of worrisome.
And neither does EtOH recrystallization.

A lot of adulterants are insoluble in both acetone and EtOH (meaning they would remain with the product in an acetone wash but would be separated in the EtOH solution where cocaine is recrystallized from being dissolved in the alcohol), I'm leaning toward the EtOH process. Not too hard for me to get/make anhydrous acetone but getting 96-99% EtOH is just a trip to the drug store, which is hard to beat.

>though I should've done it a year sooner
I'm really sensitive to getting myself stuck in bad relationships so this sort of profile you're painting really resonates with me. The girl who introduced me to coke is loyal and despite my intense skepticism toward women I would be surprised if she cheated - however she is definitely a heavy user and the behaviors describe line up with hers. I was kind of content chalking it up to other extenuating circumstances she would come up with but now it doesn't seem as "cute" or original.

And even if I don't succumb to the depression due to moderated use, I'm a very empathetic and supportive person so associating with people who are setting themselves up for it is not going to be a fun ride for me either.

>I just hope you're safe about it man!
Definitely - and thank you a lot for the personal anecdotes and insights. I saw a lot of posts on forums where there were just extreme examples of abuse that just never seemed like they could happen to me. But you painted a much more measured and realistic picture that I could relate to.

It is pretty clearly lower in priorities than getting out of DYEL-land for me and sex pleasure is honestly something I don't feel makes me happy as seeing progress in the gym. I was khhv for so long that it honestly feels like my default state to not get laid, I think I just got over enthusiastic about a new drug and the surprisingly girls I met who also partook.

Sheeeeeeeeit

I have to get surgery a week from now. They gave me a list of things I should avoid and hormones is listed for blood clotting. Should I lie to the surgeon and hope I dont die?

>>42540989
I could see Test affecting your RBC count, if you give blood, take aspirin, test the levels etc, you should be fine

Nolva and tamox have some evidence showing an increased risk in blood clottting in the legs

>>42541018
>Nolva and tamox
One and the same thing, unless you mean toremifene.

The fuck. I made some test e/c blend and it's like slightly yellow instead of the e I usually make which turns out clear with mct.

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>>42540814
I'm >>42540962 and would NOT take your successful/responsible use of LSD as an indication of your "very strong willpower when it comes to drugs" - LSD, if done properly (with good product, and well prepared set and setting), is not at all hard to use responsibly and do once without feeling the need to compulsively re-dose. Honestly I would say the same about weed. It's one of those things where irresponsible use shows a lack of willpower but responsible use doesn't really demonstrate a strong willpower.

However with coke I'd say there's a tendency toward the usage pattern described by anon >>42540860. I personally have never experienced a crash, but also haven't really binged too too hard either (although I've definitely stayed up a whole weekend once, but in the scheme of things it's not too terrible). Could be due to getting some pretty great shit.

I think it's definitely possible to do it once and be done with it. But you know yourself better than anyone else - all I'm saying is don't think that because you did LSD without using it compulsively that you're now "prepared" to tackle coke or anything like that. The last time I touched coke was probably 6 years ago. Never felt the need to do it in the past 6 years - only got into it now because of some beta-ness going away after exiting a lifetime of khhv and got excited by the prospect of seeing what the life of normie chads might feel like.

>>42540913
>can drink seemingly infinite amounts of liquor, and so on and so on.
Oh yeah, and this is a very dangerous thing if you're a drinker. Luckily I don't drink and have never had alcohol with cocaine but the combination of cocaine and alcohol produces something in the liver that is way more cardiotoxic than cocaine by itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaethylene

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>>42541118
>liver that is way more cardiotoxic than cocaine by itself.
I don't think I've ever done coke (in any significant amount) without liquor, and the worst part is they don't really know the long term effects of cocaethylene, except that it's real, real bad for your heart. I guess we'll see, eh?

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>>42540931
Cb? Not sure what I weigh but 6'4 210 is creeping into big boy status,

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>>42540814
Oh and another thing to worry about is purity. Coke is one of the most famously adulterated drugs and if I remember correctly you live in Germanistan or some other Euro country so you're many steps away from the source of cocaine, meaning it's more and more likely that you're getting stuff cut to all hell with levamisole, and probably amphetamines too. Amphetamines are different in mechanism of action of cocaine and I personally do not react well to them. I crash on amphetamines not on coke. So keep that in mind too - you are geographically probably not in the best place to be using cocaine. Grieve mentioned >>42539908 that across the pond the purity can be way lower.

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What was Zyzz's cycle?

What do you guys normally pay for your cycle?

I'm about to buy some test for my first cycle (10 weeks) and the test + nolvadex is around $200.

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>>42541156
>real, real bad for your heart

Oh yeah.
>It also carries an 18- to 25-fold increase over cocaine alone in risk for immediate death.

I do see the appeal though - it has 3-5x the plasma half life than cocaine and very strong affinity for dopamine transmitter (meaning reuptake of dopamine is inhibited longer). So you're feeling good for a much longer time.

I'm glad you made it out of that usage pattern alive! Long term risks aside, the drastically higher short term risks make it a very scary combination that you should probably count yourself lucky to have made it out of.

>>42541210
heard u can found it by googling or something by idk mane

>>42535603
YEA BECAUSE DECAPITATING ENTIRE VILLAGERS OF MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS TO MAKE SURE UR COCAINE REACHES U SAFELY IS THE SAME THING AS PEOPLE IN CHINA KILLING THEMSELVES BC OF SHIT WORK CONDITIONS

>>42541210

Tren, test, clen, cytomel.

>>42539810
theres something extremely agitating about picturing you and your college friends going out drinking and snorting coke and then remembering the entire villages of decapitated mexicans by cartels just trying to cover their tracks so they can get ur shit drug to you

remember all the kids dissolved in vats of acid next time your bae is singing along to the chainsmokers at 4am while you are parked in a sobeys parking lot doing lines

>>42541441
Think of the poor Indian child whose lungs are dissolved from boiling down too many old electronics! Think of that next time you shitpost on a phone or computer.

>>42541463
well shit i might as well rape and kill babies then hey

your line of reasoning is fucked

p.s. i dont buy new iphones and computers, all my shit is hand me downs

so you are arguing morals with the wrong dude

i quit taking heroin partially because it was ruining my life, and also partially because i didnt want to support and be involved in a murder industry

and that was an extremely addictive drug i had become reliant on to function

cocaine isnt even close in habit forming tendencies and for wealthy americans to nonchalantly discuss taking it without being cognizant of the countless dead souls attached to the product... i dunno. you can have your own morals but i know where i stand.

>>42541504
>>42541463

i should add, western media has done a pretty good job of displaying what cartel violence is really like, so claiming ignorance is dumb too. its not a fairy tale about them dissolving families with women and children included in barrels of acid, killing entire shipments of illegals just to cover themselves, chopping off heads ISIS style

if you produced your own cocaine or it was a product not made under extreme violent conditions and drugs were legalized i wouldnt care. but drugs are stupidly illegal and thats the environment we are in. i dont just shrug and go "oh well". i wanted to continue taking opiods so i found a way to source them that didnt involve the fucking taliban

>>42541504
Nice slippery slope there. I don't eat drugs but I just wanted to point out the levels of "crazy person on the internet" you're being.

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>>42541441
>>42541504
>>42541532

You clearly have a problem with drugs - why not just admit it? And are you really trying to say that every bag of coke comes from someone with the blood of a Mexican village on their hands? Or that the burden of proof lies on the user to prove that this ISN'T the case?

Do you get the same way about the gang violence that can be associated with heroin distribution chains? And why stop at humans? The man who brought you your morning newspaper probably ran over countless bugs while driving to your house and is going to use that money to buy slaughtered animals raised in inhumane conditions.

This world is built on death. While I don't condone violence or cartel behaviors it's really strange that you can't decouple the use of a substance from the actions of those who are involved in its distribution.

Would you stop drinking water if it turned out that the head of your municipal water purification plant was a pedo?

>>42541532
>>42541504
>>42541463

theres plenty of RC stimulants and amphetamines that are produced in labs, you can grow your own hydroponic cocoa and refine it (dont tell me its impossible, i know a guy who grew his own poppies and made his own heroin)

so its just pure lazyness and developed world entitlement to continue supporting a death industry. i used to be laissez faire but i believe drug dealers need to die now with the chemical weapons they are selling now (fentanyl)

Holy shit this moral grandstanding is pretty gay.

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>>42541162
I wish man. I'm strong as fuck compared to before (just hit 5pl8 dl, squat 315 for sets now, way more than before) but this bulk has me feeling fat as shit. I feel like I looked bigger when my bf was lower, it's like I transitioned from dyel to almost not dyel to dyel-fat.
>inb4 roiding for this
>inb4 'i could've done this natty in 2 months'
>inb4 lmao 3pl8 squat

>>42541555
>>42541537
i cant adequately explain to either of you why your line of reasoning is bullshit. you can keep justifying it however you want. if you truly dont think cocaine production is steeped in blood you are fucking deluded.

i dont have a problem with drugs. if you read my last post youll see i think drugs should be legal. but they arent. and you arent going to do anything to change that. its the world we live in. you take your position and ill take mine, and justify your coke use however you want.

did you not read the part where i said i quit heroin because i needed to and because i hate the kinds of people i supported?

>>42541566
I know the feeling.
Almost done with my cut, fuck bulking physique.

You still look good tho, nothing fat about you.

>>42541560
and also, this is why im done with people like you and the folks im replying to in this thread. the types of people that inhabit most of 4chan and especially these roid threads are not people i would associate with in any aspect of my life by choice. its obvious your pursuit of temporary chemically induced pleasure is more important than ensuring you dont play a part, however miniscule a part it may be, in the murder-death-distribution ring that is cocaine

>>42541537
id rather be called crazy than be like you fluoride encrusted apes. apathetic robot

>>42529267
Winny for speed and vert. Halo for strength and anger.

>>42541606
anyways, with all that, im done. i will not return to this hellhole anymore. i dont want any of you ppl to rub off on me. goodbye robots

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>>42541566
Leanness creates a 3D pop which promotes an illusion of size. You just need to figure out which region to exaggerate. Add mass to shoulder girdle.

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>>42540946

>tfw 35

kill me

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>>42541585
Thanks homie, much appreciated. I'm cutting, but may or may not have consumed 5000 or so calories in sushi last night so the self loathing is too real right now. Hoping to get down to 200ish without losing any muscle before hopping on the next blast

>>42541614
lol k bye bb have a good life :^)

>>42541622
i love you bimbo but please train your god damn forearms

>>42541596
Then leave lol.

>>42541596
lol I'm sober tho

>>42541622
Looks good man, like the stringer.
Do listen to >>42541639

>>42541625
Mirin bulk

>>42541633
You'll get there.
Mirin stats btw, I don't think I'm close to that yet.

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>>42541639
They're bad?

>>42541670
Not bad, those juicy upper arms overpower them.

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>>42541622
That's a good idea. What's your OHP at right now? Looking fucking broad

>>42541665
A lot of it was just not letting myself be a lazy fuck. I added two and a half plates to my d/l just by working out with guys that will beak me incessantly if you try to bitch out. Mind you, my flat bench is still stalled out at 225 and OHP at 135 because of a complete AC joint tear in my left shoulder, but we're working through it

>>42541699
I dunno I just fuck around with volume on shoulder day. Throw 75lbs in 25s on each side do 8, take off a 25 each side, do 10-12, take off another 25 each side, do 20. Repeat that 6-8 times. I'll db press 50 for 12, then 60s for 10, then 70s for 10, then 80s and 90s for 8 then 100 4x6, then back down again.

When I was natty I could do 240x3 tho ohp

>>42541699
>complete AC joint tear in my left shoulder

Ouch, must have hurt like a bitch.

My diddlys are stuck at 4pl8 but I'm not hammering as hard as I could, lifting alone and dont want to fuck my form for ego.
Bench is 286 for 2 reps and squat is lmao240lbs for 3 reps.
OHP at 135 as well but for 10 reps.

>>42541748
So essentially running the rack or pyramids, got it. I've been doing something similar running a modification Simeon Panda's mass program - 20, 15, 12, 8-10, 6-8, 1-4 (increasing the weight each set) then dropping down to the 15 level for 12 and the 20 level for 15 - I guess I just need to stop being a little bitch and add weight

>2pl8+ OHP
that's genetic freak territory, fuck me

>>42541785
Also do like 3-4 variations of lateral raises. Mixing up rep scheme and volume. Sometimes it's 3x10 with drops to failure, sometimes it's 25% workijg weight x25, 50% working weight x15 and then 75% working weight to 10. I do that like 4-5x. My secret I think is Lu Raises though.

>>42541760
You need to step it up senpai.

>>42541843
I'm trying my hardest.

Considering I started at 65lbs bench 1.8 years ago it aint so bad.

>>42541826
>lu raises
These?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IDqX1eMFmA

>>42541915
Any progress is good progress big dog, don't let 'em tell ya different

>>42542011
Yep

>>42541915
>30kg bench

kek, you came a long way
keep it up mane