/fraud/ steroids general

>>42286610
I usually run a 12 week test e blast per year. It's usually the highlight of my year

Kinda wanna try something like tren this time. What's the smallest amount I can take for a tren experience but not overly dosed?

>>42286678
1 gram a day keeps the doctor away

>>42286678
You actually just do one cycle a year? And you lift year round?

I'm on the fence about starting and kind of got scared off by the "if you do it once, you won't be able to lift without it" meme.

Could you tell me a little bit more about your experience, if you don't mind?

>>42287371
the secret is to never come off

first cycle, third day, test prop 75 ed, I've been pinning my quads, I've been limping and have the worst pain in my legs ever. is this normal? is this what you guys refer to as pip? its awful

>>42282825
Preloading tudca before drinking is actually even worse for the liver. So it's likely the same preloading right before oral.

Basically it seems not good if you take tudca right before you do something liver stressful.

Take it during the liver stress. Or after youre done for recovery.

>>42287371
Yeah, I do one cycle of test e 500mg / week once a year, lift year round, sometimes take a break from lifting for a while in the winter where I only go once or twice per week

Gains are great, look extremely good for the 12 week cycle and then it slowly tapers down a bit while off cycle, but not insane. Traps decline most noticeably but not too much, it's just that that respond so well to the juice.

Coming off has its plus sides. After my pct, my grape like balls become goose eggs and I start shooting huge loads of jizz again.

Aromasin is the best ai available. I say this having only ever tried aromasin. It just works great for me. I have no gyno, and I'm still very fertile.

You won't have to stay on forever, but you will want to come back again, cycling is the greatest. I feel like a Greek hero like Achilles for 3 or 4 months a year.

are we allowed to talk about sarms here

>>42286678
>>42287792
damn i've actually been planning on doing something like this actually.

You use HCG for pct?

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scared shitless of a blood clot while on nolva
got a cramp in calf, shat myself, and ran to pharmisist to buy aspirin, popped it the moment i payed
first time using nolva

will i be fine guys?

>>42287371
Being on cycle is fucking great, but it has its downsides. I constantly get worried about every little headache, heart paplitation, possible abcesses. But you feel like superman. You feel like the shit.
But it's nice to take a break.

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>>42286610
2scary4me

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Hello guys /n/ here, any recommendations on how to use gear for athletic purposes? How does the usage changes between, let's say top cyclists and a bodybuilders? Any guides or sites you recommend?

If I want to pin test EOD for TRT, does it matter which ester I use?

>>42288074
No I've never used hcg
Just nolvodex

>>42288286
low dose testosterone

equipoise

hgh

epo

winstrol

>>42288292
why do you want to pin eod?

>>42288294
damn so exactly as i want to do too. Do you do regular bloodwork? has your natty tested been affected good or bad from this?

>>42288286
>let's say top cyclists and a bodybuilders?

Cyclists would use much much lower doses, would use EPO, and would stay far as fuck away as possible from shit like clen or trenbolone

why is there two threads

>>42288286
https://www.outsideonline.com/1908791/i-couldnt-be-more-positive

>>42288468
Crap, that wasn't the article I was looking for.

>have finaplex tablets
>father is a vet and has cattle implant gun

I think about doing it every day

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>>42286610
thinking about doing one cycle HGH or/and IGF1. Will 1 cycle do something?
Have no expirience.

>>42289451
First off, both the IGF1 and the HGH will be fake no matter where you get it. Unless you get it directly from the pharmacy with a prescription yourself, it will be fake.

Secondly you will have to use steroids with those peptides in order to truly realize the effects

Thirdly you are probably just a manlet and don't even lift so no, nothing will happen. Sucks to be short, buster.

>>42288061
Yeah, s23 should be taken with test tho

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>>42289478
really thank you man.
Not even king of manlets at 183 cm.
Real King of Manlets 6'3

I lift almost everyday, im very disciplined on IF 20/4 since 1 Month, before i was 2 Months IF 18/6. I look pretty good... but i sit on a wheelchair! I thought i could help the medula Regeneration with HGH and as side effect i would look even better.

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>>42289664
You're not 6'4 in a wheelchair buddy

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What kind of gear does an average gym bro start looking into if he wants to get a once a year pump?

Say I work out year round, but want to get extra beefed up for beach season or something...what kind of gear should I start researching?

HOLY SHIT, US DOMESTIC RAWS

finally i can homebrew now since i dont want to get my ass caught importing fuckloads of raws

apparently only $35 per 10g of test e

>>42289978
the kind that makes you kill yourself

>>42290668
Haha brutal

Injected test in glutes and almost immediately started coughing.

First time I've ever hit a vein.

>>42289223

Don't they have oestrogen in them as well as bologna?

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>>42289881
>got me!

>>42290948
That cough is the worst.
I thought I'd never get it after 4 months of pinning tren, then it hit my 3 pins in a row.

>>42288307

Very stable blood levels, less chance of needing an AI

>>42289978
>>42287792
How about you read the thread... nothing other than the most basic 500mg test e cycle would be recommended

Anyone experience with mod-grf 1-29 and/or ghrp-2?
I am looking to run that for some time but I'm a bit worried about potential side effects. Also I don't know if the cost would really be worth the effects.

I'm looking for increased healing, some fat loss and comfy sleeps.

>>42290948
You can get the cough with test? I thought this was only with tren?

>>42290948
How long have you been on the Tren now by the way?

I remember you starting Tren before I started a deca cycle, which ends next week.

>>42291513
It's very mild compared to Tren.

>>42291522
How much deca are you running and how are you liking it? Guy at the gym last night was saying I should run it next blast - says it'll make me blow up. Not really what I've ever heard about it, but he's huge

>>42291505
I took some a while ago
10mim after injecting I got so hungry that I devoured about 4k kcal in one sitting

Don't know how much else it did, got me some mk677 instead and don't even know if that does much >>42291513

What stimulants do you brahs like for cutting/general energy? Currently stacking dmaa, yohimbine; caffeine and ephedrine. Goodbye, sleep...

>>42291774
Deca gains are very diet dependant brah. You need to increase carbs to blow up on it. Great for joints and strength though. I've ran it 3 times now and have gone up to 800mg with no deca dick in sight. Always run test higher than deca just in case.

>>42291774
Deca is okay. It cant compare to Tren (obviously).

I ran the first 5 weeks at 600mg but gyno issues flared up, dropped to 400mg. Combined with 750mg test and 400mg Mast.

Running for 20 weeks.

I like it, makes my body comfy and no sides on 400mg.

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>>42291805
>>42291817
Hmmm thanks for the info lads, I think I'll stick to my tren plan for the next one. One more pin at blast strength then it's off to cruise!

I've been on 16 weeks now, gonna cruise for as long as I can but I don't think I'll manage time off = time on before blasting again desu. Probably going to get some bloods around 8 - 10 weeks to see how I'm doing and take it from there.

Thank you for reading my blogpost.

>>42291850
No problem.
If your bloods show up healthy and you feel fine you should be good to go.

For me its Time on = Half that time off

>>42291778
Oh really.. I read that it's supposed to have less hunger effect than ghrp6..
I tried mk677 before, I didn't like it personally. Gave me bad sleep and didn't feel very good on it. Also the bloat was ridiculous.

>>42289478
HGH from Pfizer must be real, amirite?
Pfizer is the one that is doing Viagra, German Pharma.
Is it woth it?

i am cutting to 8% bodyfat, when i reach it i plan to do a 12 week test-e cycle which will be my only cycle
is this a good idea?

>>42292216
These guys will tell you that real HGH and IGF1 dont exist and were never made in the history of anywhere and its all fake peptides.

>>42292251
Frontload your first injection 2.7x the amount, either that or extend it to 16 weeks (or both).

>>42292268
>>42292251
Don't frontload test, esp not the first time. Big hormone shift like that can cause sudden hair loss or acne. But yeah I would say go for 14 or 16 weeks instead that will give you just some sweet extra gains and it won't matter much in terms of recovery.

>>42292319
i think i will do that

>>42292251
>which will be my only cycle

Kek'd

>>42292255
Well if something is real, than from a big german pharma Industry (Pfizer).

Im not sure if im going to try it... but i really think about it.

Anyone here taken mk 677 for 6 months or more? If so, what were your results and dosages?

>>42291522
No clue. I've just put an end date in my calender.

>>42292507
I don't know how you can do that brah. 12 weeks of tren fucked with my mind like no other..

>>42292522
The opposite for me, the longer I stayed on the better I felt, the more gains I got.

I stopped because staying on couldnt be healthy.

>>42286610
Is 30mg a day dbol only cycle worth it? maybe with some AI

>>42292522
And he is beyond fucked up, so yeah

>>42292522
If I feel the sides get too much I'll stop it. So far I'm A-OK

Do you people have no shame?

I'm fine with all the guys on gear. I even considered it myself.

But I'm sitting here in my LA fitness trying to take a shit and I hear a guy in the stall next to me whispering "come on come on come on!" while he's jabbing his quad.

Do that shit at home, baka.

I'm sure you guys aren't like that but hey sharing is caring, enjoy the story, and safe pinning fellas.

>>42292818
Why do you care?

>>42287407
Thats why you use longer esters for beginner cycles.

>>42288292
2 times a week is more then enough. Use enanthate(prefered) or cypionate.

>>42292818
We pin at home, we're not all animals

>>42292522
what kind of mental sides did you get?

>>42286610
How can I earn $300k starting so I can afford more gear?

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>>42292818
how do you know he was pinning unless you looked in his stall, you filthy pervert?

MODDDDDSSSSSS

>>42292818
>taking a shit at the gym

topkek

>>42292760
>So far I'm A-OK

the fuck you are

>>42292522
How was the hair loss and acne?

>>42286610
Thoughts on people who jump on after only lifting a year?

>>42293147
.Delet

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hey thanks everyone who recommended that my idea of maintaining a responsible coke habit while blasting was a stupid idea i feel a lot better, it's actually amazing how much better my workouts are without even a baby bump/line pwo

i would get these crazy crushing headaches like my brain was about to explode as soon as i started heavy sets that I would attribute to the blast but it was totally the coke

y'all might have just saved my life

>>42293178
Glad you're still alive you mad bastard

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Does HCG fuck with anyone else?

Supposed to take 500 IU 24 hours before each pin day (200 mg test e3.5d). Haven't had any HCG the past two pins and I think I might finally be getting the full effect from my TRT. Not as exhausted, e2 doesn't seem like it's all over the place, not as paranoid/anxious.

Anyone else?

>>42293178
You used cocaine as a PWO?

You fucking stupid fuck lmao

>>42292612
no kys

>>42292760
nice meme

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>>42293281
>>42293178
I did this once the morning after a long, long night when I found another gram in my pocket on the way to the gym with my buddy. We were just going to lift then get back at it with some daydrinking, so I figured why not. I had a great workout, and only felt like I was on the brink of death five or six times.

Hi Fraud.

I'm on PCT now (just ran test p with tren and anavar) I've been running HGH since 1 month before my 4 month cycle and want to run it through the rest of the year.

I was taking 5 iu per day (which is enough for me because I get tingly fingers) of the generics and paying 3$ per iu.

I have an offer on pharmaceutical (from the actual pharmacy) for 5$ each iu.

Is it worth it?

>>42293324
How long do you plan on using it? HGH isn't something to fuck with long term.

I know it's used a bit in the military since grunts have trouble staying lean, definitely not sustainable for long though.

Day 4 of 100mg tren a Ed. How much should I be adding to my lifts a week?

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>sunburned my bald head
Curse these weak genetics

>>42293259
That on top of trt is def going to give you high estro

>natty = ~325 ng/dL test, ~20 pg/mL estro
>250 mg/wk, no AI = ~1200 ng/dL test, ~65 pg/mL estro
>150 mg/wk, no AI = ~600 ng/dL test, ~40 pg/mL estro

Need to get less fat to bring the aromatization down. Feels kind of weird that the test went as low as it did (I was expecting somewhere in the 700-800 range). I feel much better than I did naturally though, so can I leave that estrogen as-is? I don't want to take AI if I don't have to.

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so my dad just recently has to travel to the other headquarters of his office in this mediterranean country. I'm going to visit in about a week, will stay there for a month. I want to cop some var, it's pretty much with no prescription at pharmacies there.
Simple problem is that because of certain circumstances, I won't be able to lift there, can only do bodyweight exercises/cardio. I'm also a beginner lifter, and new to steroids.
I was considering one of two alternatives :
1. start taking it while there and do any form of exercise I can.
2. keep it until I can take it back with me to my home.

Now I could be patient and wait till I'm home and can go to the gym to use it, but I'm afraid of the possibility that I'll have no way to bring it back with me.
So two questions more : in an intra-europe 5hr flight, is it safe to have a couple boxes of var tightly packed in the luggage I'll be checking in? Can I make it extra safe by any means possible? switching pills into a magnesium pill bottle for exemple?
If not, is mailing it to my house a good option?
Are postal services very keen on checking the contents of packages? Don't use post much, so wouldn't know.

What would you do in my case?
thanks.

>>42293758

If you're a beginner, steroids aren't something I'd be worrying about. Get to the point where you are confident and knowledgeable with diet, training, recovery, etc. before hopping on.

For future reference, don't use orals without a test base. Read the wiki, as the OP says.

If you're dead-set on doing this, then save the var for when you can actually lift and get something out of it. No idea about actually getting it back, though. I've heard of people putting their orals in vitamin bottles (vitamin D or something) and having no hassle.

>>42293797
thanks for your advice. I agree with you, I should focus on mastering all these external factors before I can introduce this new variable.
I will read the wiki again, and sink in all the information.
I'm not really dead-set on starting var right now, actually. to reassure you, I was just concerned by the fact this is a one chance opportunity for me to be able to get my hands on any kind of steroids for a long time, because of the laxist situation in that country, as well as the fact I am moving next semester to a country that's real uptight about steroids.
Long story short, I might not actually need it right now, but this might be the only chance I have at trying it for a couple months.
Thanks again for the advice.

>>42293708
That test is pretty low, lower doses should be more 8-10x mg per week, might be underdosed

Estro and ai are pretty subjective, so if you feel fine I wouldnt worry. Still have some on hand, though

>>42293856

No problem man. Keep on chugging. You'd be surprised what you can do naturally once you know your stuff. I think a lot of people hop on too early.

By the way, you can probably get it domestically, depending on where you live. No need to smuggle it.

>>42293884

>might be underdosed

That was my thinking as well. This is a batch from right before an old SST source exit scammed in the beginning of the year. You guys probably know the one... Got a "representative" who fucked stuff up a month or two before leaving. Took me more than two weeks to get my pack. I wouldn't be surprised if the vials weren't all dosed the same, and I'm using a different vial than I was when I last got blood drawn.

I was planning to ride out the last vial (I'm doing TRT anyway, so I don't need high numbers to feel great in comparison), then I'll be switching to the stuff from a current source.

>>42294011
Me again, just a quick question. You said I should do a "test base" before hopping on, and I assume it means get a blood test to get a baseline on my hormonal levels, but I'm a girl. I suppose from what I've read in the wiki that since I have already little test, it shouldn't be too much of an issue (or the contrary, with virilization and such), however I can be put into menopausal symptoms after prolonged use, and it's advised not to do a PCT but just taper off until menses return.
Can you tell me if my assumption is correct, I will still get a blood test done, before and during.
It just kills me that at best my natty lean gains estimation is 5lbs of muscle (according to scooby's calculator). I just want to get strong quick. Also am very worried of things like roid guts or becoming a crossfit golem chick, so I would have started at a low dose, like 5mg and wouldn't have gone over 10mg at peak cycle I think.

>>42294077

Oh, you're a girl. Yeah, that's worth mentioning.

A "test base" is a dose of injectable testosterone used to counteract the shutdown of male hormone production when using steroids. Girls don't need that, so never mind.

Blood work is never a bad thing, but I'm not sure if it's needed for a girl running low doses of anavar. Hopefully someone else can chime in on that.

how much protons per lb of body weight you guys consume on gear?

>>42294077
If youre a girl you can skip the test
Var solo is fine

>>42294011
That explains it
If its the last vial might as well keep usin it, maybe up your dose like 20% to compensate?

>>42293178
Good idea anon. Don't use coke it is crazily addicting and not even worth it.

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>>42294121
yeah, should have said it first, but in my original post I just wanted tips on when to start/how to bring the var back home.
I'm dumb, I knew that men need to use test as a base to their cycles, but didn't make the connection with "test base" I thought it refere to getting a "base(line) on test" levels before cycling.


>>42294160
thanks jerry, yes I'll do just var. Thanks for reiterating that it's fine. I'm sure it'll go well now.

Another question for both you guys, I was told that women can aspire to about half the muscle tissue production potential as men, and as such the "~10 pounds of lean mass" gained on a cycle (which I assume is for a man) should put me around 5lbs if I do it right? Do you think this is a good estimate or should I aim for less given as I'll be on low doses?
Much thanks !

>>42293259
So you're at 400mg test alongside 1000IU hcg a week?? And you call that TRT?

You only need 200IU hcg per shot, twice a week and you shouldn't run it indefinitely as it will cause desensitization of the testes.
Also 400mg test is a shitload to call TRT... with the hcg you're running that's just a cycle.

>>42294220
What you can gain depends on how much muscle you already have, how you train and how you eat etc. Nobody can give you a set number that you can get. All depends on your goals too ie stay lean or bulk or even cut..

>>42292612
Nope, you'd balloon up and loose it all right away. Always run orals with a test base

>If its the last vial might as well keep usin it, maybe up your dose like 20% to compensate?

I could, I guess, but I don't really need to. I have a doctor appointment in a couple of weeks, though, and I don't want my estro to be out of range when he does the metabolic panel. I might even pop an asin the day before just to be safe.

Do you think my estro will be out of range on 150mg properly-dosed test?

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>>42294286
yeah, I understand that you have to take all this into account, sorry if it was such a silly question, I was just expecting a ballpark response to just know better than expect unrealistic results.

>>42294322
Docs are idiots and hormone ranges are huge.
I tried to get ai through my endo once by taking 50mg dbol and pharma oestro pills on top of my trt dose, no ai.
Doc said it looked fine, lmao

>>42294077
you wont get roid gut from steroids. Also, dont use test, and most steroids. Anavar is okay for short term usage, but even that has slow virilisation I think, and thats assuming you get real anavar and not some mix of winstrol and other shit.

SARMs are good in women, but there was a case of a woman getting virilising effects on LGD-4033 (she did a very large dose) - most likely because of a free test increase (some people can get a large free test increase before there is enough total test suppression to bring free test back down to normal levels).

LGD-3303 is stronger and seems pretty good in women, but it apparently it increases sex drive and horniness in women and could be distracting.

>>42294220
Juicy with a tiny waist. Would be nice to pack a little more muscle on those arms.

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>>42294566
thank you so much for all these pieces of wisdom! I'm going to do a lot of research on everything you mention, and if I do intend to take my steroid journey further, I'll consider SARMs thanks to your tip. Sex drive won't be more of an issue then than it already is now, if you get my drift.

>>42294618
>Sex drive won't be more of an issue then than it already is now, if you get my drift.

I thought like that until I took tren. There's always a next level.

>>42294842
>see a girl
>muh dick
>see a brick
>muh dick
>go to sleep
>muh horny dick keeping me awake
>have sex
>want more
>have more sex
>more more more

>>42292997
Sorry for the late reply, I was out running.
I suffered with mood swings on tren, it made me feel hormonal as fuck and quite anxious. It's a compound I personally wouldn't run again. That's just me though.

TEST-E AND AROMASIN

DO I NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO CRUISE INDEFINITELY?

>>42294618
Fuckin roasties

>>42294887
Even on tren im only attracted to trannies, lolis, and pillows
Some bullshit I tell you what

>>42294955
Pct on hand just in case

>>42295053
thx. just nolva and clomid?

>>42295053
>trannies, lolis and pillows
Stop cucking yourself

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please test-e, kick in already

>>42295141
tfw when he just bought plain grape seed oil in a vial

>>42295065
Yep that's fine. Or even just one of both.

>>42295053
Jerry you are one messed up individual and I love you for it. I'm a chubby chaser (read not land whale)
We should workout together or something and discuss anime.

>>42295141
Spoiler: you won't feel it kick in.
Assuming its your first cycle. Prepare for gains and be dissappointed at the same time. Blame media.

>>42295065
Tbh I only have nolva on hand since clomids expensive
But it should be both lol

>>42295131
All of those are far better than real women
Or atleast thats what I tell myself, I
wouldnt know

>>42295274
>chubby chaser
If they dont have better abs than me Im not interested
Although trannies with 6 packs are gross.
Very masculine at that point

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>>42295274
>Spoiler: you won't feel it kick in.
srs? I'm not >>42295141 but am 1 week into 500mg/wk babby's first blast from cruising at 220 for a while.

i was told heightened libido and feeling of wellbeing/confidence is very noticeable on blasts

ree

>>42295339
I like muscle girls as well but thats very unrealistic over here.
What if you get god like abs?

>>42295358
Oh you'll notice it but its very gradual.
It's not like you'll wake up and have diamond boners and stamina for days.

So I wont get addicted to roids right?
I know this probably sounds stupid but I have an addictive personality.

How does it 'feel'?

>>42295406
They aren't addictive physically but I'm pretty sure I'm mentally addicted.

Being on feels euphorically.

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>>42295360
If im god like, they better be godlike as well
Gotta be equal in looks

Plus that means shes flat.
And thats fantastic

>>42295406
Its not like a rush or something but the qol is better and if youre addicted to the gym thats where its fantastic

>>42295436
>>42295447
So you mentally feel better? Fuck me that means I'll be addicted week 1.
Guess the only thing I'm worried about is heart problems and permanent decrease in test once I'm off.

>>42295274
>you won't feel it kick in

>>42295358
>am 1 week into 500mg/wk babby's first blast
>i was told heightened libido and feeling of wellbeing/confidence is very noticeable

Im full 5 weeks in and i feel like total shit. Still wanting to kill myself, still no libibo, still feeling tired, still not doing anything at all.

inb4 bunk gear - i don't think so but i can't be sure before i will do blood work. 6 full weeks in is good or can i do it 5 full weeks in? I gained weight, got bloated a bit, gained bit of strength, traps grew noticeably, new veins are slowly coming in BUT i still don't have any will to live and it was the main reason i decided to hop on gear instead of getting locked in psychiatric hospital for over 2 weeks. So far i am heavily underwhelmed by this whole thing.

>>42295447
Hard to imagine loving flat, some base breasts and ass are a must for me.

>>42295478
Trt or blast n cruise.

That way you'll keep the good feelings while minimizing the risks.

But yeah mentally you'll feel alot better, physically as well.

>>42295478
Most of those improvements are over low test but you wouldnt want to stop

>>42295507
Test wont cure depression even a little

>>42295507
Got any AI?
Coild be high estro or too much AI and you crashed it.
How is your overall life?
Libido should be present at the very least.

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>>42295529
Probably like flat for the same reason I like trannies n lolis, Im intimidated by women.

But a flat chest and some nice pits?
Bruh.

>>42295551
0.5mg of adex e3d (same day i pin)

>How is your overall life?
everything was the same for years. Only difference now is that im injecting chemicals into my muscles.

let me bump up my question regarding blood work
>6 full weeks in is good or can i do it 5 full weeks in?

>>42295544
Test cured my deppresion honestly.

>>42295574
Why intimidated? Bad experiences?

I do love some good pits tho.

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would one cycle of test e be completely useless? I'm really curious if I would just go back to my pre-test strength after the cycle or if I would keep a good majority of my gains. I'm nowhere near my genetic limit

>>42295599
Id go for it now to at least check if your gear is good to go.

>>42295630
Technically you could keep the gains, realistically you will lose them.

If you can only get there with roids you probably can only stay there with roids

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>>42293259
Is that fucking Reviewbrah as the cover of an Evola book?

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>>42295574
>But a flat chest and some nice pits?
jerry this is exactly the girl i'm occasionally seeing and fugging

she's 5'0" and 95lbs soaking wet. exactly as flat as the grill you posted

only problem she's too talkative and has a roastie mind it boggles my mind how much inane shit women can think of and expect you to be interested in

although goddamn. hearing "master" moan out of that small frame is worth the roastie bullshit

body of an innocent young girl (innie lips, no physical roast), but face/mind of a typical untrustworthy annoying roastie. perfection doesn't exist. she is a sad girl though and i like that

honestly i think you would be happy with a normal typical roastie body with the mind of an innocent young girl. women are the worst so i'm always on the lookout for good mentality (which is basically only possible if the girl is super sheltered and hasn't turned on the TV/internet in years and has instead been filled with traditional memes by her family)

>>42295599
go ahead get bloods. i forgot if you posted but is this your first blast/cycle? have you cruised before? did you have low T natty?

if you didn't have low T natty I'm not sure that you would/should expect depression to be cured. sounds like

>everything was the same for years

is the problem. my life is unbearably routine and the only things that bring me joy are 4chan and the occasional days i go to the shooting range. choice-less routine kills the soul

>>42295616
You had poor body image or something?

Its the same now but im bald and covered in acne

I literally havent had any experiences so I guess thats why Im intimidated? Even vr girls intimidate me, I thought theyd help but they just make me really depressed

>>42295813
Didn't you hold hands the other day you whore

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>>42295813
you've had piv intercourse jerry don't lie

>>42295813
I have a whole list of why I consider myself ugly (i prob am).
Also general dismorphia kicking in at full speed. At least I've got hair.

Acne can be fixed, how old are you?

And sound like general anxiety to me, you are overthinking it. Girls are easy, I'd love to hook you up if I could.

>>42295828
Kek'd

Anyone found any ways around it taking like 4 hours of fucking to bust a nut while on Deca?
Im rotating 4 girls rn and they still can't handle the tren dick for that long, that often

>>42295885
Up the test dummy

>>42295792
>is this your first blast/cycle?
yes
>have you cruised before?
no
>did you have low T natty?
yes

About that blood work. Is there any difference if i do it after my workout? Free test and E2 will be enough? Do i need to also check prolactin? I live in eu and im doing this in a private lab so it's pretty expensive.

>>42295907
Shouldnt really matter when.

>>42295907
let me just add that i did free test and e2 before my cycle

Question from a natty: what routines do you do on gear?
Just interested in learning what kind of volume should it be at minimum.
Post your routines pls if you can be bothered to.

>>42295895
It's already at a gram bro

>>42295945
Lower the deca, check prolactin, estro.

>>42295941
Depends on what the fuck you're training for.......

>>42295941
General bro-split with everything 3x12 and 1x3 for the same excersize.

Depending on whats lacking add or remove excersizes.

>>42295954
>implying anyone roids for muh strength gains

>>42295954
For mass and strength of course.

>>42295969
>what are fat powerlifters

>>42295951
Can't. Need the deca for an injury.
Prolactin is probs high from the deca and tren. Estro is under control.
Going in to get bloods next week

>>42295792
>innie lips, no physical roast
Please tell me you aren't fucking stupid enough to think broads develop roast from fugging.

>>42295969
You mean apart from literally every elite level powerlifter and strongman? lul
I care about strength, but I admit I put more value on aesthetics and size.

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>>42295982
touche

>>42295985
Prob prolactin, wrecks dick gains.

>>42295885
Prolactin id bet

>>42295828
I did.
First time in...
...4 or 5 years? Was nice. But then it made me depressed

>>42295852
Hookers dont count

>>42295870
Im 27, over the hill
Acnes not bad, but I literally never had a blemish natty

>friends gf says shed set me up but all her friends are nuts
Bitch I fuck a pillow

>>42295792
Mirin
W2c

Ill probably fall for the first whore to give me the time of day desu

>>42295986
They do
>he believes feminist whore propaganda

>>42295982
Lmao I bet I'd place better than you at a show without even cutting. Always been a PLer...never trained physique

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>>42295986
i don't, was just listing it as a characteristic associated with the ideal of a nubile young woman that i imagine jerry-sama has

a lot of it is leftovers from the days of r9k being my homeboard if you couldn't tell by the autistic nitpicking of normal feminine behavior in the rest of my post

>>42296012
Get your estro checked or up the ai dose.
All my acne comes from high estro, that or minor cystic backne from high Tren.

Can you grow a decent beard?

>>42295988
Exactly.....there are plenty of shitty fat pleople that call themselves bodybuilders too. You don't see me hating on the entire sport of bodybuilding becuase of it.

>>42296020
Thats why I added fat :^)
The kind of PL'er that gives 0 shits about looks.

Also kek at the show thing, I doubt.

>>42296030
My acne is all from change in blood levels. Dropped tren n winny, got a few spots. Thats life.

I shave 3x a day

>>42296023
Where to cop???!?

>>42296048
3x a day? Jesus.

Facial acne?

>>42296012
>Hookers dont count
>implying all women aren't crypto hookers

>W2c
true story, i made a post on craigslist in the strictly platonic section, listed benzos and weed in my "interests" and she messaged me saying she was new to town, asked if i had benzos (this is that roastie mindset i conceded she has, always trying to cop some advantage). met up, we popped some xanax and she ended up being really sweet and hasn't asked me for any drugs since we fugged and insists on paying for her own expenses when we go out.

still though, never trusting a roastie mind ever again. love is a creation of man that roasties have tried to meme into "their" field of expertise

>>42296070
Even worse, glasses

>>42296044
All I'm saying is there are plenty of people out there juiced to the brim that don't give a flying fuck about their physique. Don't group us all together like that.
Ehh maybe man. I've been holding back on adding size to stay in my class for a while.

>>42296073
Glasses are fine, just get a good frame.

>>42296087
I'm aware, just tried to get the point across. In all honesty everyone lifts for their own reasons and hardly anyone falls into singular catagory.
I hate being called a bodybuilder despite doong literally the very definition of it.
I guess you hate the stigma's attached to the groups?

>>42296070
A bit since im.on vacation
Worst part is I got lots of sun so those spotsll stay red for a bit
Oh well, doesnt change how mustard tastes.

>>42296072
Wtf
Thats messed up.
Fuckin roasties.

How can it be that easy and im a goddamn incel counting my hand holds
Fuckin roasties

>>42296088
Everyone says get new frames lol

>>42296020
>t. not posting body
:^) ok hero

>>42296023
come on bby, /fraud/ makes robots into normies, not the other way around. I'm still holding onto hope for jerry.

>>42296048
>I shave 3x a day
You sure that's acne? Could be severely irritated skin from overshaving.

>>42296087
>All I'm saying
No, you said you'd outplace Nano without trying, so show body fag

>>42296114
jerry post current body, I fail to believe you're this incel because of how you look with the tren you run unless you've literally been running tren and not going to the gym ever

anyone know what FL is up to?

>>42293324
Yes. Get the pharma you dingus.

>>42296123
I cant shave more then eod or I'll get zits all over my mouth.
At least I've got a decent stuble these days.

>>42296136
If I remember Jer correctly it wasn't that bad. Not deserving of Tren just yet but slowly getting there.

>>42296123
>I'm still holding onto hope for jerry.
That's cause you don't know the details lol

>>42296136
> I fail to believe you're this incel because of how you look with the tren you run
Lol this gonna be gud

>>42296140
driving around with his mum, high on meth, talking about the bible

>>42294618
Anavar 5-10mg/day
6 weeks on
4 weeks off

Thank me later.

>>42296123
Nah acnes at the temples
Gotta keep shaved clean for the dakis

>>42296136
I look like a natty who might've done zumba once maybe

>>42296160
Whats that supposed to mean

>>42296176
Really?
Thats fucking grim.

>>42296201
Sometimes he'll get over excited and eat the pages to 'draw the power from the lord'

>>42296216
haha epic man lol
xd

>>42296181
Lmfao the girls I train run more than that year round

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>>42286678
>>42287033
>>42287371
>>42287407
>>42287792
>>42288061

About to start:
250 test e
Arimidex

Do I need to pct?
Can I have a short cycle? 4 weeks? 6 weeks?

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Guys, are my 'ceps lacking?

>>42296247
average natty gymcel has bigger arms than you

>>42296245
Waste of time
>>42296247
If that's actually you, I'd rek you in a show lmao

>>42296247
Your tris are lacking not your bis
That imbalance baka

>>42296273
Show yourself big boy :^)

>>42296266
Show me these nattys I never seem to find em

>>42296199
Post a pic bro

>>42296247
are you 5'3?

>>42296247
>roiding for this
when will they learn?

>>42296230
Bunk anavar or they are deformed bitches already.

>>42296290
5'5
and?

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>>42296114
>Fuckin roasties.
indeed

i had literally 0 responses after 3 weeks and then she popped up in my inbox and we made plans to meet within 20 mins. after meeting up our hands were in each others' pants within 3 hours.

fucking roasties. it was so innocent feeling though. to her credit she didn't put out on day 1. i'm dyel too. it makes no sense and it's not satisfying at all.

i miss being incel. my view of women and longings for companionship were so pure. now that i've experienced a few women of different qualities i have a better idea of what the "menu" is and my expectations have adapted accordingly. imho i think the first girl you have a relationship with can really set the tone for your whole romantic "career" or trajectory whatever you want to call it.

i was a 25 year old virgin 4 months ago. had sub-300 test levels 7 months ago. trt is no joke in terms of the life changing effects it can have for betas like me

>>42296199
>I look like a natty who might've done zumba once maybe
ladies love the look

problem is you have to talk to them. i'm addicted to sad girls. i think you'd like a sad girl jerry, you don't need a manic pixie because manic+roastiemind=disaster and waste of time/life/energy. find a sad flat girl and never ask her how many men she's been with before you

YOU HAVE TO LIE TO YOURSELF IF YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN

>>42296302
you just seemed oddly short, thats all. It, on this occasion, was not an attack.

>>42296302
lol fucking manlet

Post 1 pic get tons of hate never change 4chan.
Bunch of turbo-dyels with no pics always giving the harshest comments.

>>42296290
5'7 they've got some pretty high mirrors i the changing room.

>>42296302
Kek'd ignore this.

>>42296273
>muh powerlifting
I promise you're a fat piece of shit because you haven't posted a pic

>>42296345
I think you're looking joocy bb, bigger than me

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>>42288122
where did you read nolva causes blood clots.

>>42289478
lel

>>42292818
>pinning in a dirty gym toilet
if hes not in the gym anymore in a week then you know he got a fat juicy abcess growing.

>>42295406
its not a physical addiction its a mental addiction.

>>42296345
i silently mired

my forearms suck

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>>42296362
Thanks famalam at least I've got you looking out for me

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>>42296286
Holding a fuckton of water...shit lighting and I still look better
>>42296299
IFBB pros don't run bunk gear. They look better than completely fine and still sound and look very feminine

>>42296387
Let's see that power gut, also height? If you're under 5'8 this has been a total waste of time

>>42296387
Yes but you dont advice a beginner femanon a high dose. Thts like giving someone tren on babbys first cycle.

>>42296302
>5'5
Ouch

>>42296289
No i look terrible
A decade lifting, probably half of that at least on trt, baka smgdh
You know, I hit 345 years ago and dont think ive made an inch of progress since.
If I joined a real gym I wonder how long it would take me to get 3pl8 c&j
Was 275+ triple natty
Is need to really fix my squat though

>>42296305
Trt didnt change shit for me
Smh

Maybe my problem is the only thing ive haf close to a relationship was with a massive whore. I bet if I was on trt at thw time I wouldve slept with her. But im talkin 2+ new guys per week. Shed brag about 7+ guys in a day.
Then sleep on my bed every night.

If trt fixed a beta like you I gotta be past omega. Where do you find sad girls. There's never any at the liquor store.

>>42296394
I'm not posting any more pictures but I'm 6'1"
I do have a power belly...aka a very well developed core. Resting abs 24/7
>>42296400
10mg of var isn't a high dose for a girl lel

>>42289664
>guys I'm 6'3
>haha you're in a wheelchair
>lay me down faggots we're measuring right now

>>42296387
You call that better?
>muh lighting
>muh stretchmarks

>>42296410
5'7 not like its any better

>>42296430
You know I'm more developed... you're just too much of a bitch to admit when you're wrong
Again, I'll reiterate...idgaf about physique...stretch marks are all good with me

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>>42296430
Dude it's pretty fucking clear...

Have a vial of "TriTest 400" which has per the label propionate 60mg, enanthate 140mg and undecanoate 200mg. Should I pin Monday & Thursday or once a week? I've heard conflicting advice, one side suggests once a week due to the Test U's long half life, but other's suggest Monday & Thursday/E3D to take advantage of the shorter-acting esthers.

As per the dose, I'm thinking of doing 0.8ml/week, would this be too much at 61kg?

>>42296520
dude below has way better bicep insertions

>>42296521
Unless you're a midget, gain some fucking weight first...Jesus man 61kg wtf

>>42296544
Yea I do and way more mass in both bis and tris

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>>42296410
>the only thing ive haf close to a relationship was with a massive whore
fuck. same. the girl i lost my virginity too.
pic related. fuck you shaylene i loved you. she was really sad about her past exploits and hated herself for it which was something i loved. i loved seeing her recognize how evil she was in the way she manipulated men but in the end i also realized she was not at all interested in changing her ways despite the mountains or hardships and negative consequences it brought upon her. saved her from being homeless and she was fucking people while i was paying to keep her alive and basically adopted her. lied to my face so much about loving me and wanting to be a better girl. trust issues i will never and don't even want to recover from. r9k is right about roastie nature at its core, but is wrong in the defeatist attitude and where blame is attributed. it's definitely the jews there's no doubt in my mind about that part.

i really think that you hit the nail on the head in identifying the source of the problem jerry-sama. 1st girl showed me an remorseless capacity for manipulation, deception and intentional infliction of pain that women are capable of manifesting that i didn't know was possible. can't unsee that shit or chalk it up to an "exception" - she just had those traits turned up to 11 and i see it in all girls now, just better hidden and controlled.

maybe same with you.

>Where do you find sad girls. There's never any at the liquor store.
i feel like alcohol is at the part of life where girls are into partying and haven't realized how empty and hollow they turn something that can be really pure and satisfying. once they realize it they get into stuff like heroin and benzos. even stims in the case of girls who try to snort happiness into their sad lives. but mixed bag with that, as it can often overlap with the alcohol partygirl type.

maybe when i'm forced to find another girl i'll go to a NA meeting and scope it out.

>>42296563
I'm a 5'8 midget

>>42296601
You're 5'8" and 134lbs....have you ever eaten food?

>>42296520
Fine I admit defeat.
I'm aware I'm not huge yet and I've got work left to do.

Respect for actually posting pictures.

>>42296659
how2forearms bb

>>42296521
>prop with undeca
What a terrible blend
Eod for you

>>42296597
Atleast you slept with her.
She added me on fb then took days to respond with a single word so I deleted her.
She gets me mad just thinking about her.
Whyd she show me interest anyways? Did she show it to literally everyone?
No one else ever has.

Thats true, girls dont turn into alcoholics, they jusy get vindictive and get alimony and child support.

Whatever Ill just die with azusa in my arms in my cabin in the woods

>>42296640

Just finished a cut where I lost 20kg.

>>42296671
I dunno, work heavy manual labor.

>>42296684

jerry, have you ever gone to therapy?

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>>42296421
and I'm 7'6 and have a 14" cock, but I won't post anything to prove it either :^)

>>42296410
>Where do you find sad girls. There's never any at the liquor store.
putting this in my tinder bio

>>42296719
I posted a picture of my arm for nano. I'm just not trying to be taking ab selfies...I'll leave that gay shit for y'all bodybuilders lol

>>42296717
When I was a kid for anger
But now I cant show any emotion exceot for crying at tv
Fuck therapy

>>42296758
If it works let me know

>>42296800
Post boipussy

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>>42296684
>She gets me mad just thinking about her.
same
>Whyd she show me interest anyways? Did she show it to literally everyone?
>No one else ever has.
holy fuck. i was strongly convinced it was like a destiny thing fated to be because in 25 years of beta existence a girl finally showed interest and was effortlessly talking to me without showing the signs of "disqualification" in her eyes like all the other women had up until that point

but yeah, for master manipulators it's like a script they run. and us pathetic incels are the perfect machines to run that script on, while CHAD knows the game and let's her know it, still fuggs, but doesn't get any of the negative side effects

>>42296714
is that what you do? i type at a desk all day. maybe i'll landscape my front yard when it's cooler out. i was told that dead lifting and normal lifts would naturally increase forearm/grip size/strength but i got meme'd

>>42296758
are you a chad

>>42296800
>Don't group us all together like that.

Really rustles your jimmies doesn't it.

>>42296828
I heard farmer walks help a shitload.

>>42296800
Sounds like something a fatty would say, stay chubby friendo

>>42296830
I was really hoping you'd see that

>>42296828
Do reverse grip curls

But whyd she keep it up so long? 2+ years and I never piv'd
Guess she found a good emotional tampon I dunno, shit.
Her whole self worth was tied into her sexuality though. I think most women are like that, fuckin roasties

Although whats mine tied to? Sure took a beating on 0 tinder matches

>>42296880
Are you really that upset for answering a question with fat powerlifters?

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21, budget of 600 euro for roids. Lifting for 2 years, considering fraud slightly. Can I? Should I?

>>42297066
FUCK, that hole in the wall, was some scary shit

>>42297066
600 euros gets me around 10 vials of test with ai and pct, so you should be fine.

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>>42296892
>reverse grip curls
oh neat, i've never heard of these or seen anyone do them at my gym even. thanks

>whyd she keep it up so long
you know this is probably an unbelievably beta thing to say and you probably get no comfort in hearing it but you were probably the only person she cared about or at least the only person she felt cared about her. i saw first hand this girl she really couldn't help herself from being a whore it was almost as if she was compelled by forces out of her control but desperately wanted to feel cared for like. wants the cake and to eat it too. best of both worlds. roastie brain/biology.

whores don't usually care deeply about the guys they fugg, it's just chad-lust and probably fucking awesome to be the object of but roasties don't associate it with "caring." it's all vanity for them. it's a "sign" a physical token indicating that they are still sexy enough to have so many options. external validation. that's how they know they're "on top" of the social scheme they've built up in their minds.

they map this social scheme onto civilized hierarchies created by men and the way the two systems work are not compatible so it creates a war between genders that focuses on individuality as the main unit not the family/couple. the jews are behind this don't kid yourself.

even with their female "friends" it's just an emotional tampon situation or them wanting a sound board that reacts and supports their stupid fucking decisions.

and keep in mind that you kept it up for so long too. i bet if you called her out on her shit she would have assumed you finally wisened up to her nature and wouldn't even fight to stay. some are pretty honest about that - they use betas until the betas can't take it anymore or until they wisen up and at that point the script ends and they restart it somewhere else.

>>42297023
You have no idea the stigmas I deal with on a daily basis

>>42297154
Don't we all?

From a pure strenght gain perspective, what better way then display a powerlifter that packs a good layer of fat?
Fat =/= bad

>>42297188
Rant:
Oh no doubt. Just being jacked brings a lot of annoying shit with it
A better display of strength would be the same thing but lean. Heavier lifts at lighter weights have always been the goal of our sport. Yea being fat will help our squat and bench but really only with SHWs. Any other class and you're uncompetitive. The non-SHWs fat fucks that lift and call themselves powerlifters give us a shitty name because they look like shit and lift shit weights but for some reason they think it's okay to call themselves powerlifters.
Idk to me, just competing in our sport doesn't make you part of it. You have to be actually competitive to be a real powerlifter in my mind.

>>42297308
Even at my current stage (dyel for you guys, big for normies) I get tons of daily annoying shit, so I get it.

Going into the whole explanation of powerlifting must be an even bigger pain to get across.

I've only watched some world records on deadlifts, bench and squat a few times. Guys were pretty fat.

I get it, guys just lift but don't diet, get fat and just roll with muh powerlifting.

Btw, post full body, I'm curious and won't hate.

>>42297379
Nah it takes a hell of a lot more dedication than that to get to that level. I'm sure you've watched me before then and just don't know it. I'm closing in a 900+ deadlift
I can't rn, gotta train this kid, finish up my training and then head to dinner with my fuck buddy. If I have time later tn I'll hope on and post one

>>42297151
Damn youre right
>tfw she said ily but you never said it back

I wish I could have kids,with Azusa

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>>42297515
i'm thinking of adopting a kid (male) who has traits that i admire and just giving him all the insulation from the world money can buy to develop whatever skills/talents he wants without the distractions and destructive influence of roasties and the sex-pressure in society until he's like 25 or so. i honestly think i would have been better off not going to work right after college because i was so "in the zone" and had so much momentum with my academic pursuits that i was an actual conscious celibate not an incel.

only when i started working and getting into a soul-devouring routine did i think "hey a warm body to sleep with at night that doesn't walk on 4 legs might be cool" and that was the start of all these problems. on the plus side it got me on trt but there are a lot of negatives in the emotional health department too.

but if i adopt a kid and have no wife to drain my resources on trivial shit i could probably give him a fucking dope life.

or maybe artificial womb. adoption is actually just enabling chad and stacy to pursue their reckless ways without feeling guilt or making sacrifices

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>>42297619
Adopt a girl and fuck her

>>42297619
Yeah thats my problem wirh adoption

Why not a daughter?
Best case its like >>42297662
Ive been thinking about that more and more

>>42297692
>Ive been thinking about that more and more
I remember having this fantasy some years ago, you have revived the dream famalam

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>>42297792
How young do you think they have to be to belive its normal but not die? No pedo

>>42297619
You'll queer the kid by the sounds of it. Nothing but male influence in his life is just as destructive as an all female influence.

And keeping him in bubble wrap until he's 25? Omfg he'll end up killing you before he's 19'if he's aware what you're making him miss out on, eg plowing sluts.

God you lads are so tedious.

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>>42297875
How old to fuck her? Or for adopting and brainwashing? The younger the better for the second, for the first i would wait to 13 so i don't break the law in my country ;^)

What's the youngest /fraud/ would recommend someone starting their first cycle. I'm 18 and decided it is better to wait for my body to fully develope, but I am interested in knowing around what age I would be able to start.

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>>42290668
>the kind that makes you kill yourself
Ooh, you're super edgy and tough....bet you have a ton of friends.

>>42298059
I'm putting my kid on when he's 16 if he's at least 6'0

>>42298031
Fucking 3rd world trash

>>42298135
Kinda rude tbqfh senpai

>>42298160
Tbh Im just jealous.
A 13yo would only have had a couple hundred dicks
Youre lucky

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>>42297476
>I'm closing in a 900+ deadlift

fuck everything and everyone, my soul is just a mind in a body, one day i will quit this mortal plain and be free of the boredom and self sacrifice that punishes me on the daily.

>>42298241
They are all roastie whores anyway famalam

>>42286678
You trying to gain? Cut? Recomp? I cut on 200 a week, currently lean bulking on 200w test e, 500 a week tren a/e mix and 200 a week mast, the mast is just for the feels I stay on it year round cause I like it.i know some people don't like the mixes but I'm really liking it, still pinning eod but feel pretty good on it, only about 2 weeks into it but I can feel the ace kicked in well, I'm sure bloods will come up as the e reached good levels. Already hit a bench pr since being on

>>42298292

He said while posting on a Nepalese totem pole production forum

>>42287407
Normal, virgin muscle pips like a bitch, if you keep pipping from it after a few injections in each site your body may not agree with the carrier oil or the ba content, few things it could be but I wouldn't sweat it yet it's probably normal

>>42298335
where in this world is there a more apt place to post? nowhere. life is meaningless. 4chan is where possibly the most important people of our generation spent their time. nothing matters. money is a distraction. there might be a tumor growing inside of you right now. i want to smoke opium and lie on a mattress for 19 hours a day.

>>42287407
i dont understand why anyone would choose a short ester for testosterone. cypionate or enanthate or widely available, cheap, and pip-free.

anyways, you can just take is sub-q. pinning IM 7x a week is too risky, you will eventually at some point shoot into a vein and discover the wonders of what an oil embolism feels like.

>>42298373
>anyways, you can just take is sub-q. pinning IM 7x a week is too risky,
wow you are a retard

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>>42298292
>my soul is just a mind
wrong.

lern2metaphysics pleb. otherwise i agree with the sentiment

>>42297927
how would that make him queer? asexual maybe, but homosexuality would have to be imposed/pushed on him and insulating him would prevent that from happening. there would just be no talk of sex, just higher pursuits. i doubt a virgin would kill over not getting to plow sluts. i didn't even know that was a thing/option until i started working. i thought girls were all pure maidens that i shouldn't bother with attention until i was ready to propose to them etc. etc. etc.

you underestimate the degree to which living an insulated life since childhood can affect someone's perspective and worldview

if he wanted to be an athlete or something then i'd let him fug girls and stuff for motivation etc. but like i said in the original post i'd pick a kid with traits i admire or think are rare in the world like studiousness and an inclination toward philosophy and spiritual pursuits. maybe it's better that i become headmaster at an all-boys school and help the ones that everyone called stupid growing up and show them that they are men and have the capacity to become so much more than they've been led to believe they can be by the jews. boys rule girls drool.

>tfw you realize cooties were not a mere childhood meme

>>42287742
im almost certain you're incorrect. pre-loading with TUDCA is ideal before taking any liver taxing substance, and to my understanding, taking it after the damage is done is worse. same goes for NAC.

the way steroid users take TUDCA alongside oral cycles is actually unproven to be safe or effective. the safest way according to the research I've read is to pre-load completely before you start your oral cycle. You can't accurately guesstimate oral halflife and elimination rates to time the dosage of TUDCA correctly.

and furthermore, TUDCA is sort of a meme. There isn't really any robust research showing that for steroid users that it is any more effective in reducing liver damage than the old standards or simply just taking reasonable doses. I've read tons of forum posts and anecdotal advice on the subject, and very little of what is commonly recommended has any proven basis. choleostasis is rare in normal oral dosages, and you don't exactly prevent it or cure it any faster with TUDCA. simply removing the offending compound will do far more to get you healthy again. TUDCA doesn't replenish gluthianone, doesn't contribute methyl, basically it is a liver drug/supplement for a specific purpose, aborted and taken up by bodybuilders as some super cure. it has benefits unrelated to liver health like promoting apoptosis as well as being a glial cell inhibitor, but there are other drugs and supplements that target those things more specifically and with more robust science behind them.

so in short, stop talking about shit you don't understand or have a limited knowledge of. doesnt it make you stupid to realize your entire post is wrong and you are full of shit?

>>42298385
if you actually replied with anything to argue with me that is based in genuine knowledge or experience i would be glad to discuss it with you, but if you are going to call me a moron because i reccomend against a common thought process on steroid use, you, my friend, are small-minded.

people like you basically follow anything reccomended online which can usually be traced back to a single anabolicminds post from 2002. i actually research independently as well as learn from my own experience. i would love to hear from you how a harm reduction technique in advocating for subq injections over IM makes me a moron. you fucking idiot.

ive been taking test subq for over a year and a half. i switched after i got an oil embolism from pinning in quads. please, tell me something.

>>42298467
no memery, how was the oil embolism?

>>42298467
it's not my job to make sure you stop being retarded. sometimes I'm just here to call you a retard because you are. didn't read your post past the first line, you are a waste of air.

i come in here every few months and post some educated shit and i get called a moron by the idiots in here everytime. its kind of infuriating desu, then i realize why i abandoned these retarded ass threads. if you guys arent willing to actually learn and continually develop your understanding of the subject, thats fine on me.

its funny because i make money selling shit like TUDCA and steroid cycles to guys that arent interested in learning shit. its just a weird situation to be in where i know you are wasting your time and money or being an idiot yet i still take your money happily

>>42298506
sure you do champ. back to gh15 with the other retards now please

>>42298486
i would be kind of mad but then i realize somewhere, out there, is a guy replying to me thinking that he knows his shit when i know for a fact he doesn't. i come across people like you alot, i dont get mad anymore. i just realize i share this planet with alot of stupid people.

>>42298479
really scary. it shouldnt kill the average healthy male but it is not something anyone wants to repeat. its funny because any doctor would shake their head knowing you are taking frequent IM injections. there is a risk with any injection, there is no reason to not advocate and follow any harm reduction method.


its idiots like the guy calling me a retard who hold back the general public from learning and advancing more. i run a fucking company that sells supplements you havent even heard of, i have run good steroid labs that made sterile gear when i know 95% of you arent shooting anything that could be called sterile, and i advise my countries national healthcare agency on the newest research findings. its hilarious coming here to be told im a retard because my information conflicts with the 15 year old bullshit posted online then parroted by idiots like this >>42298486

>>42298467
>people like you basically follow anything reccomended online which can usually be traced back to a single anabolicminds post from 2002.


ahahahha oh shit

this basically sums up my thoughts on the steroid community

>>42298535
im more interested in how it felt and what they did to stop it at the hospital or if it goes away on its own.

>>42298506

Where should I go for an actually good thread, then?

>>42298535
is brewing sterile gear possible for homebrewers? i have never brewed so idk what it entails. but i've seen sources post pics with what look like clean rooms and they talk about the work surfaces being regularly disinfected and having autoclaves etc. for the vials. just wondering if what you mean by sterile is something that is only achievable with a butt load of investment or whether it's possible to achieve on your own as an individual (asking bc I don't really trust anyone else's standards and know that some vendors will cut corners for the sake of profit/convenience with no remorse)

>>42298558
they just reduce your heart rate and sometimes give you something to help you cough. theres nothing they can really do other than make sure that if you have a cardiac or pulmonary event that you are in the ER where they can treat you.

it feels like you are drowning and as the oil travels to your heart and lungs you can feel your heart start to work really hard and your lungs seize up. it goes away on its own in like 10 minutes, but if you are shooting large volumes of oil you can die. the newest nebido/aveed literature says that you need to stay in the doctors office for 30 minutes after your injection because of reports they've had with oil embolisms. its an issue with nebido because you are usually injecting a thick castor oil in large (3-5ml) volumes at a time. and since its been proven that checking to see if you are in a vein by pulling the plunger back is useless (the needle will move a mm into or out of a vein) its basically luck of the drawn when you will experience it. its not common but it happens.

if you are shooting IM 7x a week and using capillary dense areas like the quads you will eventually hit a vein if you use steroids with any regularity. sub-q is much safer and has been proven in studies and in clinical settings to work just fine for oil based injections.

>>42298585

best you are going to get out of a conscientious UGL is "clean" which is not the same as sterile.

but its still a damn site better than the average UGL practice which is two dudes standing around in the hoodies drinking protein shakes and using food grade oils, and dodgy handled 1000 times powder from china and cooking your gear in their mom's oven

>>42298585
it doesnt matter if you use an autoclave, unless you are working in an environmental control box (a flow hood is not good enough) its not technically sterile. anything with a fliptop vial isnt sterile if its from most UGLs. autoclave doesnt mean anything. you can brew sterile gear at home if you buy pre sterilized stoppered vials and follow good technique. its simple and most UGLs know people dont buy anything with a fliptop. its just another example of stupid people like the guy in here calling me an idiot.

>>42298630
its simple and most UGLs know people dont buy anything withOUT a fliptop.*

thats what i meant to say. basically, use your head. if your gear is coming in a fliptop crimped on, how exactly do you think your UGL filled that vial without exposing the oil to air? its not medically sterile if any portion of what you are putting in your body has contact with the atmosphere. they arent working with $8,000 ecbs.

>been taking low carb, high sodium(like 5g+) diet and no bloating

If I wanted to look especially good on Saturday, should I go low sodium(ie 1gram) on Friday but with my regular water intake?

>>42298538
right? you can take any common misconception about steroid use that has been proven wrong by better and newer science and technique and usually trace it back to an early forum post.
take TUDCA for example, there is not a single study showing its benefit for oral drug use. yet you can look all the way back to like 2006 when someone introduced it to one of those steroid forums, making all these claims without any reference. and then you go farther ahead to more recent history and people are repeating shit that was in the original non-cited post. its hilarious. TUDCA is truly one of the biggest memes and its weird because its not exactly cheap. the chemical supply houses making this shit must be scratching their heads about why they are selling an obscure cholestasis drug so much these days.

>>42298620
brewing on your own at home is alot safer than buying from most labs desu. a 0.2u micron filter is the smallest you can get that is reasonable to use with oil but it is kind of moot if you are using food grade oils. look on forums and people will tell you to save money and dont bother with USP sterile oil. it is expensive, after all. but 0.2u micron is still not small enough to filter out viruses and certain specific pathogens. for all intents and purposes you will probably be fine 99% of the time doing the standard stuff, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt be aware of the risks.
Its people who make recommendations without laying out the full picture who are making the world dumber rather than better.

>>42298673

idk, I figure they all know what the score is since the industry basically revolves around selling waste products from other industries to morons who will pay an arm and leg for something with no scientific evidence of doing anything at all aside

although there probably is a "lol look at what these retards are buying now" element for workers

>>42287407
You warming the oil? It makes all the difference.

Pinned this morning and I was so excited I forgot to warm the oil and just got it right into my quad, great injection but once I starting trying to push that CS oil, well, I got about 2 ticks in when my muscle spasmed an I realized how I fucked up. Chucked the oil and syringe, warmed the vial up, redrew with clean equipment and let'er rip.

Gravy. Did legs today, feeling great. Second pin of my first cycle.

>>42298786
I know how pointless TUDCA is, yet i still spent most of my company startup money on getting custom press tabs made to sell online for like $2 a pill. i think i will sellout in like a week. the guy sourcing it for me in China was like wtf do you want this for

>>42298825

I really need to get in on that kind of gig, but every time i do I always think nobody would buy this garbage that does nothing


then i slap myself and remember there are multimillion dollar supp companies who got rich selling people glorified sugar and caffeine

>>42298844
black grizzly was selling literal vitamin c powder as TUDCA until i called them out on it and then they made up some dumb apology, refunded a few people, and now they still are a reputable online reddit selling company. you can sell fucking ANYTHING to folks

>>42298844
anyways, i forgot to add, the real money is in pre-workouts. i was at the supplement store and asking about a pre-workout powder, i remember using them back in the day when they had amphetamine-like substances in them and they got you fucking jibbed out. now i go through the ingredients list and its like, creatine, caffeine, beta alanine. in a $65 container that lasts for 30 servings. its insane. thats what im gonna get into. selling pre workout and other useless powders that a $0.05 caffeine pill can do.

>pinned 10 times so far
>still get needle anxiety

aaaaaaa

Started my cut today.

>250mg Test E
>200mg Mast E
>50mg Var

LETS STARVE BROS.

also

Why the fuck do first cycles get Test P? Christ. Why pin EOD when you could do it every three days and concentrate on getting the most out of all that test. The pin sites will eventually get used to it. I couldn't imagine starting a cycle and limping around all the time.

>>42298737
>>42298673
>>42298648
>>42298630

Good posts, thank you. I'll look into the pre-sterilized stoppered vials but it seems to me that if the bar for sterility is to never falsify "any portion of what you are putting in your body has contact with the atmosphere" I have a hard time imagining how this could be implemented at home.

I'm just trying to imagine the process as I understand it - you have to mix raws, BA, BB, and oil. All of these are in separate containers, how do you get them into a common container without exposing to environment? Or does that part not matter because there is a filtration part to it? I guess if the filtration negates the exposure to atmosphere you can use filters that attach to a syringe to load into the sterile vials and be a-ok?

Also, what's the consensus on the oil stuff? I understand what you're talking about here >>42298737 about 99% of the time USP sterile oil not being absolutely essential but I wouldn't want to take a chance with that 1% - so I should probably buy the sterile oil. Is that 1% referring to the food grade oil being improperly handled or containing pathogens/viruses from somewhere?

I'm a complete novice and just trying to think through the process. I bought a ton of UGL shit and now I'm debating whether or not to just use it and then brew or sell it and use profits to homebrew myself so I haven't really thought it all out just want to pick your brains while you're here

>>42299106

you don't

his point was that any "home" solution simply does not have the means to make gear in sterile conditions.

however if you are homebrewing it yourself, at least you *know* what is going on, and you can be reasonably assured that your gear is "clean". Again clean isnt sterile, but 99% of the time its safe to use.

>>42299133
Gotcha, thanks. I was just reading the reddit wiki on homebrewing and one of the posts (probably a joke) was about a dude brewing in his car so I get the importance of having some degree of confidence about the practices used to get the product you're pinning.

And I realize now there's no question about which oil to get. For 500mL the USP sterile oil is like 5 bucks more than the food grade stuff, seems like a no brainer

Thanks for clarifying

>>42295852
that pic makes me so sad

What the fuck is this thread?

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>>42299263
then you shouldn't read >>42296828

unless you're already woke to the depravity of women and are offended by the raceb8ing which i completely understand

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>>42299296
TRS listener detected

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>>42299291
it's the fucking best is what it is. /comfy/ day for fraud

there's some cuckdiary that i shared with jerry-sama if you read the thread. are you still defying the odds with gf?

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I'm at the end of my 12 week cycle of test e and I don't want to ever get off. I went from 180lbs to 200lbs, sitting at 17ish% bodyfat, and I feel awesome. I no longer feel depressed or less of a man. A big part of me wants to cruise on 200mg/week and start cutting down/recomping.

But the thing is I'm only 20 years old and currently in the military, so there are chances of me getting deployed, making a mistake and getting caught, etc.

For health and safety reasons, should I just suffer through PCT and go back to my old, sad self and stick to cycling? Are there any young fellas out there who BnC?

I appreciate the help lads

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>>42299327
what's TRS? legit have not heard of it. is it The Rogan Show? but if you think it aligns with my interests lmk i'll check it out. i don't actually care about race and woman hate those problems are just symptoms of the disease

new

>>42299394
>>42299394
>>42299394

>>42299353
She's got the flu atm. So I took the time when she was sleeping to go through all of her messages from when we weren't together. Nothing bad I could find

>>42299368
What are your natty test levels bro

>>42299418
I wish I knew, I never got tested. But I always knew I was low test in my teens. Had mild gyno, severe depression (had suicidal bouts), couldn't grow facial/body hair (except pubes), etc. I begged to get tested by my mom but she said nope, you're gonna take SSRIs instead and feel like a waste of space instead

>>42299382
https://therightstuff.biz/

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>>42299465
y-you get me

although i've never been able to get into audio/video blogging/ranting. reading is so much better/faster. people always normify themselves a little when they start talking. but i'll check this out

>>42299455
fuggg that's horrible to be put on SSRIs at that young age especially when you knew what the problem was/is

i didn't know what the problem was so i don't blame my parents in the slightest. i mean you can self-administer TRT and cruise at 200mg the only thing people might warn against is that your growth plates might close if they haven't already but if you're managing e2 you should be ok. seems like you should bnc and keep pct on hand in case you lose access.

can't comment on how hard/easy it is to keep it stealth in the military. what's your role in the military?

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>>42299586
Yeah it definitely does suck. Not a good feel mane.

I'm not too worried about my growth plates being closed, I already topped out at 6ft so I'm content with that. The downside is that since I already had pre-existing gyno, I have to up my arimidex dosage to 0.5mg ED/EOD, depending on how itchy my nips would get.

I'm an FMF Corpsman, which if I did want to BnC, it'd be easier for me. I went out for field ops carrying pins and oil in my medical bag, and if anyone would ask about it I could easily say it's "just in case a Marine needs it".
The shitty part about it though is eating shitty MREs and having no access to a gym for a while.

I think I might try BnC, and order some more HCG and nolva in case I need to PCT in a hurry

I appreciate the help man

>>42299586
>>42299744
Oh shit yeah one more thing, for a cruise dose would 250mg/week be good or would that be pushing it and stick to 200mg/week?

>>42299817
hmmm depends how bad your e2 is on 250. i cruise at 250 fwiw no AI and my e2 is in range. try it out for a few weeks and if you don't notice any bad sides you could keep at 250.

i can't comment on the long term implications on heart health etc. really the long term health risks (as far as i know) are not so much to do with dosage but what your actual test levels are at said dosages. Like, 200 puts me at around 1100 but if you're an amazing responder it might put you at 14 or 1500 (just a hypothetical). so that's something to keep in mind.

best of luck to you - i wish you all the best. it makes me really happy to see people who need test find the elixir and get their shit unfucked

>>42299817
and the reason i brought up estro issues is i assume that at a cruise dose you don't want to be using AI. i don't like using AI at all because unintentional crashing e2 is the worst and i'd just rather not have it on my mind. one less thing to think about.

>>42296521
Nice pip on the one i bet
>>42298950
Im gonna make the most of the next week while u still have loads of tren e in my system and then the cut begins. I think i might carb deplete and do ttwo weeks of dnp since i have to floating about. Still cold enough where i live to not suffer too much. Whats your approach with macros/cardio. Progessive or just balls deep suicide style?

>>42300114
Awesome man, I really appreciate all of that. Maybe while I'm in I can get my free gyno surgery at some point lol but for now just gotta lean down these puffy nips a bit...

I'll try 250mg and see what's up. You da bes brah