when will this meme die?

When the laws of physics change

when people bother to research beyond 30 minutes of bodybuilding misc browsing

>>41377327
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41377247
When the laws of thermodynamics change.

>>41377829
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41377247
>not one good study to prove this

>>41377247
Id like to see the physiques of people that don't believe this.

>>41377860
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

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What the fuck is going on in this thread

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>>41377898
it's a glitch in the matrix

When the laws of physics change

>>41377777

/s4s/ x /fit/: the thread

>>41377962
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

>>41377253
>>41377798

1000 calories that doesn't cause insulin levels to rise versus 1000 calories that does cause insulin levels to rise.

Tell me how you derive the results of each by looking at the calorie section of a nutrition label.

When the laws of physics change
>>41378047#

>>41377306
>>41377327
>Still supporting trump

You must be retarded.

>>41378440
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

>>41378453
who here /cutting on 1500cal/ of pure sugar? enjoy no gains balanced diet cucks. CICO masterrace

I'm high as fuck what's going on...

hi from Turkey

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41378538
Is this Photoshop wtf

>>41378686
When the laws of physics change

>>41377838
Not the guy you're talking to, but you should stop posting yourself.

>>41378805
>being this retarded
you're a complex biological machine, not a simple physic machine

when people bother to research beyond 30 minutes of bodybuilding misc browsing

>>41378935
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

>>41378921
Not the guy you're talking to, but you should stop posting yourself.

Yo what the fuck is happening

>>41379028
Either bots or really dedicated shitposters.

>>41378921
when the laws of thermodynamics change

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD F||))SKKK UALAR_OST

>>41379091
Yo what the fuck is happening

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What the fuck is going on in this thread

>>41377247
never

>>41379112
>being this retarded
you're a complex biological machine, not a simple physic machine

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>>41378150
what?

>>41379132
Is this Photoshop wtf

>>41379112
Either bots or really dedicated shitposters.

>>41379157
when the laws of thermodynamics change

>>41379136

If you raise insulin, the food is broken down for storage into the form known as fat. If insulin levels remain stable, food gets broken down for usage by the body and its many needs.

>>41379190
If you raise insulin, the food is broken down for storage into the form known as fat. If insulin levels remain stable, food gets broken down for usage by the body and its many needs.

>>41377327
t. Captain assblast

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD F||))SKKK UALAR_OST

>>41377290
Kek
>>41377306
>>41377315
>>41378440
Lurk moar if you can't into irony

>>41378150
you're not supposed to you fucking retard

Calories describe energy not nutritional quality.

>>41379257
t. Captain assblast

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>>41379191
what??

>>41379388

But nutritional quality affects how that energy is distributed and used up.

You can't just say "energy" when you're trying to lose weight. It's stupid. It's not even an accurate description of the thermodynamics of your metabolic systems

So why count calories as opposed to seeking macros that cause your body to signal "I'm full"?

If I eat 1000 calories calories of wheat thins, I want to eat 2000 more calories of wheat thins.

If I eat 1000 calories of eggs, I'm full for the day.

So a better strategy is to find a macro-nutrient ratio that makes you satiated.

>>41379419

Calorie counting is stupid because metabolic systems are far more complex than "simple single variable in, simple single variable out".

People get fat because they're trained to eat food that makes them feel "never enough". Modern societies get a double whammy of this feeling and of lowered physical activity.

>>41379422
t. Captain assblast

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>>41379464
?What?

>>41379475

Calorie counting is fucking retarded. Get over it.

Looking at macro ratios will do far more and be less fucking autistic.

>>41379496
when the laws of thermodynamics change

>>41379500
If you raise insulin, the food is broken down for storage into the form known as fat. If insulin levels remain stable, food gets broken down for usage by the body and its many needs.

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>CICO is a meme

Shut sips down. They've got too retarded

>>41379464
sure man. stay fat

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TOASTIN IN AN EPIC BREAD

>>41379564

Eat 1000 calories of wheat thins on one day.
Eat 1000 calories of eggs on a different day.

Notice the difference?

>>41379563
>>41364179#
ou're not supposed to you fucking retard

Calories describe energy not nutritional quality.

>>41379591
In fat mass, no

Now fuck off to reddit

>>41379591
Is it to do with farts?
>>41379607#

>>41377915

What a curious chicken

>>41379612

You're an idiot sisyphus. Why the fuck would you attempt a diet that doesn't satisfy you?

I can fucking guarantee 1000 calories of wheat thins will only make you want 2000 kcal more wheat thins.

I can guarantee you'll be full after 1000 kcal of eggs. You don't swim against the stream.

PUT ME IN TH ESCREENCAP

>>41379648
ok. you go swim with the stream and stay fat while I get lean for the summer

>>41379738

What are you fucking talking about? I'm trying to explain how people remain lean (by eating diets that satisfy their hunger).

It's easier to overeat on high-carb diets and easier to undereat on high-protein high-fat diets.

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>>41379648
??What???

>>41377247
dude are you kidding me i have made 4 excel pages tracking all my shit everyday.

last week i was 76kg and today this morning i am 70.8 kg

Scooby told me this little secret and boom im loosing weight with out having to move or run.

>>41377247
41379777

>>41377915
Proof that females get away with more if they are conditioned for it.

>>41379776
I got pretty damn fat on a high protein diet. I didn't even hit my calories everyday neither.
I switched diet and not fat anymore.
So tell me more about your "science" thats supported by empirical evidence.

>>41379776
there's no under or over eating if you count your calories and stick to it

and hunger is only relevant for faggots, but then again this is /fit/

>>41379648
>working out
>swimming with the stream
>I never lift anything back up once im going with gravity

When the laws of physics change

>>41379422
>1000 calories of eggs
fuckin madman

>>41379843
>not letting people do the concentric movement for you
>not doing eccentric only workouts

kys

>>41379648
>1000 calories of wheat thins
>1000 calories of eggs
115 wheat thins vs. 13 eggs
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, wtf is this guy trying to prove?

>>41379796
>making excel pages
>not using an app
welcome in 2017 faggot

>>41379818
>I got pretty damn fat on a high protein diet

How many carbs did you eat?

1000 kcal of eggs is enough for the day.

>So tell me more about your "science" thats supported by empirical evidence.

I don't do it because science tells me, I do it because it works.


>>41379820
>there's no under or over eating if you count your calories and stick to it

It feels weird to say this over the internet but you're a fucking liar. It's sadistic and stupid to berate people for overeating on diets that don't activate the satiation signal.

>>41379858

It works! That's the absurdity of it in comparison to all the societal images we grew up with in the 90s and 00s with the stupid food pyramid shit.

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>>41379900
lol, my mistake

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>>41379818
>got fat
>didn't hit calories

pic related, it's you

>>41379796
so you had a calorie deficit of 35000 calories in one week...

>>41379913

That calories is a stupid measurement that's useless in comparison to evaluating macro ratios.

Different ratios promote overeating and different ratios promote stable eating and different ratios promote undereating. Irony that high-fat belongs in the last category.

>>41379928
>I do it because it works
Thats the very definition of empirical evidence you dunce. Yet you try to tell me to go with your word because you tell me, lol

>>41379939
>not fat
>hitting calories now

You got an article for that too?

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>>41379924
>Using an app
>Not writing one yourself

>>41379955
>everyone here is just counting calories
>no one knows about macros

Im so glad you were here to tell us and the world of science something new today.

>>41379928
Your whole point is about satiety but that literally has nothing to do with losing weight on a constant calorie intake/deficit because you will not change it unless you're a weak willed bitch.

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>>41379955
watt?

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>>41379977
>writing an app
>not saving your data analog

>>41379977
>writing an app
>not creating your own programming language and then writing an app in it

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>>41380011
>not calculating your TDEE, lift progression, average weight loss, calories and macros on the fly

>>41377327
Kys kike. Trump is a wack job but a fucking meme goldmine

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>>41380011
>saving
>not memorizing every number

>>41380003

It does because people are fat because they don't eat satiety promoting diets.

It's why Starbucks is so successful. Because they sell addictive milkshakes marketed as coffee drinks.

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>>41380031
>calculating
>not instinctively doing everything perfect

>>41378150
>>41379422
>>41379591
>>41379648
that's a retarded point, your experience of satiation isn't energy. You are conflating two issues. Everyone knows this, why are you chimping out over this?

>>41379856
another alternative: eat something that fucks up your digestion, like drinking a lot olive oil. You now have diarrhea and technically you can be said to have disproved the "calories in, calories out"-theory. This is just shifting the focus though, from effective intake vs apparent intake

>>41380052
they are fat because they don't have proper impulse control

calories in vs out is still works. satiety is an other topic

>>41380106
>that's a retarded point, your experience of satiation isn't energy.

How is satiation not "energy" when people eat more or less according to the feeling of being "satisfied"?

If the majority problem is fat, the obvious solution is to eat a high-satiety diet. For most people, the problem is fat. The problem isn't undereating (for most people).

Your diet doesn't last for the summer, it's a lifelong thing. Do you want to live life avoiding cravings or do you want to live life being satisfied and occupied with other concerns than diets?

>>41380052
i dunno man, those cardio bunnies that buy starbucks fine as hell

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>>41380157
wut?

>>41380187

Those cardio bunnies will turn into land whales when they get married. And they'll still drink the milkshakes and think they're ordering something sophisticated.

>>41380235
only cucks will marry them

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>>41380235

>>41380037
> He Hates on /pol/ but uses their memes
This is why they don't like all you communists, you're redistributing the memes.

>>41379591
You're a donkey. Protein is about as insulinogenic as carbs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20060863

Besides, unless you're obese or a diabetic you shouldn't give a fuck about insulin. It's a very misunderstood hormone. The same goes for morons worrying about the glycemic index. You really make yourself look like an ass when you're so opinionated regarding things you know very little about. Then again you are anon so it doesn't matter much. Just don't do that shit irl.

>>41380276

Oh wow, there aren't people who notice that a lot of women get fatter after marriage and that a lot of those same women also go to Starbucks because they absolutely must have it.

Doesn't apply (hopefully) outside of urban and surrounding suburban areas in the US though.

>>41380157
>How is satiation not "energy" when people eat more or less according to the feeling of being "satisfied"?
because it's not, calories are chemical energy within the food. An estimate of how much chemical energy you can derive from the food. You can work while being hungry, when I'mlazy and don't eat, I hungry for some weeks and I can do things just fine.


>>41380157
>Your diet doesn't last for the summer, it's a lifelong thing. Do you want to live life avoiding cravings or do you want to live life being satisfied and occupied with other concerns than diets?
That's an idiot framework. Some diets to last for the summer or winter or whatever, some people call it bulking and cutting. For other it's just their seasonal diets that vary.

I also won't go to school for the rest of my life, have I never been educated?


>If the majority problem is fat, the obvious solution is to eat a high-satiety diet. For most people, the problem is fat. The problem isn't undereating (for most people).
It's really only a problem if you're bothered by it. Besides finding the perfect diet won't solve your issues with not feeling satiated. Having some healthy exercise with a nutritionally sound diet will help, but you also need to let go of cravings. If this is driving you mad, you need to learn to shift your focus to something else

>>41380320
>that's a retarded point, your experience of satiation isn't energy.
How is satiation not "energy" when people eat more or less according to the feeling of being "satisfied"?
If the majority problem is fat, the obvious solution is to eat a high-satiety diet. For most people, the problem is fat. The problem isn't undereating (for most people).
>Your diet doesn't last for the summer, it's a lifelong thing. Do you want to live life avoiding cravings or do you want to live life being satisfied and occupied with other concerns than diets?

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>>41380327
lol, kay. Stay away from them cardio bunnies

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>>41380332
>>41380354
waat?

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>>41380380

Nothing personnel kid. Nothing personnel.

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>>41380433

>>41380487

High-carbon diet? This is some avant-garde shit.

JUST
GO
ON
A
FAST

>>41380066
>doing
>not being innately perfect without effort

>>41378935

Is this Photoshop wtf

10/10 tread

what

>>41380332
>>41380354
The solution is to have some discipline and exercise. What truly makes (for example) Americans so fat, is culture and a lack of education. Parents and teachers need to encourage healthy choices in food as well as physical activity. Obesity is not something you randomly contract like a disease. It's a self induced condition of mindlessly consuming.


There's also a huge detachment to the way people consume food these days. It's expected to be fast, on order by telephone and configured to fit our preferred taste. We are almost oblivious to the fact that some decades ago and even to this day people die of malnutrition and starvation. We eat to satisfy cravings instead of actually feeding the body valuable nutrients. Let's say you order some form of fast-food hamburger. It's hard to realize the fact that some animal was bred and killed for the purpose of that burger in your hand. The bread, the cheese and other ingredients were all obtained through hard work by agricultural means. This is a result of our ancestors innovation and the cooperation of numerous people. All we see is that it's really just a burger. We'll toss it in the dumpster if it displeases us without second thought as well. I'm not trying to sound like some vegan hippie, but I think it's important to sometimes sit back and think about our relationship to shit like food, to have some respect.

>>41381015
It's a joke faggot calm down

>>41379388

>But nutritional quality affects how that energy is distributed and used up.

>You can't just say "energy" when you're trying to lose weight. It's stupid. It's not even an accurate description of the thermodynamics of your metabolic systems

>So why count calories as opposed to seeking macros that cause your body to signal "I'm full"?

>If I eat 1000 calories calories of wheat thins, I want to eat 2000 more calories of wheat thins.

>If I eat 1000 calories of eggs, I'm full for the day.

>So a better strategy is to find a macro-nutrient ratio that makes you satiated.

>>41381151
>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

>>41377247
this is true but recently i learned hormones play a big part

i am about 6ft 1 (185 cm) and weigh 215 pounds. I am decently strong (270 bench, 450 diddly doos) but have a bit of cellulite in my thighs and ass. After austically dieting and seeing no results for about 4 months i got some blood work done, low thyroid, and normal low test (total t 375)

so now i have to see an endocrin and am at crossroads for what to do with my test, and i am only 19

>>41381207
Those cardio bunnies will turn into land whales when they get married. And they'll still drink the milkshakes and think they're ordering something sophisticated.

>>41381237

yes that is probably true, it just fucking sucks for me.

>>41379191
>>41379464


>there are people on /fit/ this retarded and actually believe they are qualified to explain how the body functions

>>41381301
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

>>41377327
He didn't sound ass mad in the slightest, it was clearly irony to anybody with an IQ above 50. Which explains why you don't get it, but can't you at least contain your retardation to yourself?

>>41379464

>people don't get fat because they eat too much
>they get fat because they're conditioned to eat food that doesn't satisfy them so they eat too much

shoot yourself in the face right now, faggot

>>41381310
>He sounded absolutely furious

retarded=furious

>>41379858
That's only like 10 eggs Tbh, nothing special.

>>41381324
yes that is probably true, it just fucking sucks for me.

When the laws of physics change

Reddit.thread

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>>41377290

>>41381358
High-carbon diet? This is some avant-garde shit

>>41381363
t. Captain assblast

>>41381341
Its a joke faggot calm down

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41381180
Mad deja vu, why are people saying the same shit over and over

>>41381626
It's a joke faggot calm down

>>41381626
Its a joke faggot calm down

Ok, I participated in this madness but now I'm seriously wondering if I'm in a nightmare and this is my subconscious telling me to finally get the fuck off of 4chan

>>41381820
Is this Photoshop wtf

>>41381920
Mad deja vu, why are people saying the same shit over and over

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Im tripping out what the fuck

>>41377247
my 600 pound life doctor.

>>41381801
t. Captain assblast

It is a meme to a degree. You can be genetically predisposed to holding more of the calories you eat on your body and vice versa. I think anyone with a functioning brain knows that thid isn't an excuse for people beyond the "overweight" range, since that's /fit/s favorite counter argument

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Scrolling through this thread... hurts.

I think I've been awake too long.

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>TFW trying to read this thread on the verge of sleep
Wtf is happening

>>41382839
Its a joke faggot calm down

>>41377247
>faggot retard friend tells me it makes no difference if I eat a Big Mac or a salad because a retard "health advisory" told him this
>goes on to berate me for adding a lot of rice to my diet while I was bulking because it's "nutritionally worthless"

At the end of the day, weight gain/loss does come down to calories in/out. However, people are usually more concerned with body composition, which is entirely dependent on macro ratios, insulin response, and exercise, with calories in/out being relatively unimportant.

>>41379944
I've done it, lost 30 lbs in 13 days.

Probably less than 10lbs water weight.

Of course what I did was drink a gallon of unsweetened tea and water each day and have 3 bowls of chicken soup in a 2 week period.

Ended up in the hospital, but that was because my appendix burst, not because of my crash diet.

Turns out that lack of appetite can be an appendicitis symptom, I didn't have any pain until day 12, and even then the pain wasn't a big deal, I went to the hospital because I had a high fever.

>>41382911
>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

Maybe her butt hurts?

>>41383043
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

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>>41383063
What?

>>41377247
once people understand the nuances of metabolic biochemsitry (never)

>>41377315
You're literally retarded. Literally.

>>41377253
fpbp thread ended here stop posting fags

>>41377915
You let that badass chicken live!

>>41383783
>196 posts in

Damn good thing you arrived just in time!

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Why the fuck is this happening?

>>41378150
Hormones like insulin just change where the calories are stored or how hungry you feel afterward (which makes you want to eat more calories).

This fucking bread. Haven't laughed this hard in months

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I don't even know who to respond to in this meme thread...
But there's a guy in here claiming that high satiety diets is the key to losing weight and I just want to respond to that guy and tell him he's wrong.
Also Trump is the second coming of Christ.
>pic some what related

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>>41380106
>another alternative: eat something that fucks up your digestion, like drinking a lot olive oil. You now have diarrhea and technically you can be said to have disproved the "calories in, calories out"-theory.

You could eat a kg of Plutonium and gain 0 calories from it. Diseases like food poisoning just change the input/output sides of the equation. If your body is able to gain energy from something by digesting it then that's input. Under normal circumstances 99.9% of it will be digested (undigested food in the colon tends to smell pretty foul and obvious).

Technically if something passes through your digestive tract unabsorbed then it was never inside you in the first place. The human body is more like a pool noodle. Epithelial cells like your digestive tract just like the skin on the outside. Stuff is only "inside you" if it absorbs across the tract into the blood stream.

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I WANT TO ENTER THE GRID TOO

>>41384048
You're literally retarded. Literally.

Yo what the fuck is happening

>>41384164
fpbp thread ended here stop posting fags

First law of thermodynamics is not wrong but it is irrelevant in human physiology.

There are foods that stimulate your insulin much more, so if your goal is fat loss then its bad idea to eat high carbs and extremely bad idea to eat simple sugars and foods with HFCS. It all comes down to hormone control

>>41384164
Either bots or really dedicated shitposters.

>>41384164
E̫̘̒͂ͪ̄ỉ͓̣̜̒t̶ͫͬh̰͖̝̆͑̕e̯̦ͭ͜r̶͓͎̹̺̉̑͗ ̝̰̹͖͎̹b̨̦̺͓̼̺̯̈̀ö́̔̀t̸̬͙̳ͣ̉ͅs͉̫̖ͬ ̵͚̞̟̫̝̮͙̾̚o̵̰͂ṛ̥̻̆͂͌ ̰̞̩̘̰̈́ͭͪ͊̓r̹̭̳͊̐̓́e͓͍̩̥͎͈̰̓̋̀͋̂a̻̻̥ͩ̈́͆l̴̞̯̙̻͆̿͛̉̈́̊l̝̺͎͖̗̹̯͋͒̄ͤy̩͈͇̩͐̎͐ͪ ̣̪̱̰ḓ̝̹̯͓̭͓̆ͧ̍ͨ̿e̴̬̱̠̯͇d̺̯̣̘̬ͮ̾ͮ̾́ͤ͜i͇̙͍̖̭͊ͬ̌̇̃c̠͈͔͍̣̈́̄͢ͅa̷͙̣̹̣͍̱̪̓͌̓̒t̟̝̣̱ͅe̷͔͈̳̯͙̯ͧ̈ͣ̔͑̓ͅd̮̮͈̠̼͖ͭͣ ̱̗̩͍͚͔͚s̜͖̺̱̠͔̼͐ͣͮ̏̒́̈́h̠͚̣͆ͨ͌̋͢i̸̼̾̾̊t̢͙̳̓p̥̚͢oͯͧͮs̰̩̥̙ͧ̽ͮt̨̩̯̰͔̗̣̒ͧ̀ͦe̶̺̤̻̐̾ͯͅr̡̹͓͎͉ͯs̻ͧ̄ͩ̊͒̚.̄̓ͯ͊ͣ̓́

>>41377798
First Law of Thermodynamics = total meme bro

This fucking bread. Haven't laughed this hard in months

>literal tears in my eyes

this thread is fucking hilarious

>>41384287

>>41384283
Maybe her butt hurts?

>>41378508
get lost sandnigger

Yo what
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>>41378856
This b8 is top notch you piece of shit

>>41381015
Outstanding post. This is exactly what I'm figuring out as a fat fuck of an American. I'm on a water fast now going on day 2. I've learned just how much I really need to eat and it isn't a lot. All the times I used to get "hungry" and crave food, it was just addiction to the tastes. How easily I can acquire delicious food that cost time and effort on many people's parts really is what it comes down to. If I had to make that burger from scratch every time, I wouldn't get fat off them.

What a garbage law. Physics yourself.

>>41384454
>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

>>41384462
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41378150
Fat can be stored with 100% efficiency even in the complete absence of insulin.

>>41384517
>there are people on /fit/ this retarded and actually believe they are qualified to explain how the body functions

wha-wha-wha-wha-whammy

>>41382062
Agreed I feel like I'm high af just from scrolling through this thread

When the laws of physics change

>>41384661
Trump would change them if only those damned liberals stopped repealing everything he does

>>41384668
When did Trump become involved and why are you so butthurt in the first place to post about it?

>>41384668
It's a joke faggot calm down

>>41384677
>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

>>41380052
Kys kike. Trump is a wack job but a fucking meme goldmine

>>41384681
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41380106
they are fat because they don't have proper impulse control

calories in vs out is still works. satiety is an other topic

>>41384703
t. Captain assblast

>>41384703
t. Captain assblast

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>>41378150
>these are the people giving you advice

>>41381541
Its a joke faggot calm down

>>41381974
t. Captain assblast

>>41384712
First Law of Thermodynamics = total meme bro

>>41384712
>being this retarded
you're a complex biological machine, not a simple physic machine

>>41383837
You let that badass chicken live!

>>41384010
lol, kay. Stay away from them cardio bunnies

What a garbage thread. Kill yourself.

>>41384302
when people bother to research beyond 30 minutes of bodybuilding misc browsing

When the laws of physics change

>>41379955
there's no under or over eating if you count your calories and stick to it

and hunger is only relevant for faggots, but then again this is /fit/

>>41379422
>>41379591
actually this is incorrect because if you eat 1000 calories of wheat thins you burn more calories chewing with your jaw muscles (biggest muscle in the body) so thats why you would be skinnier

>>41377253
For the most part yes, however not all calories are equal and cause different processes in the body. Read Gary Taubes work, it's rally made me realize the memes of what we thought about nutrition

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what the fuck is going on with all the samefagging in this thread

>>41384857
Its a joke faggot calm down

>>41383117
Its a joke faggot calm down

>>41377915
*peck* "u wont do it u lil bish" *peckpeck*

>>41377253
fpbp

>>41377247
When you fucks adopt the metric system and start measuring in Joules.

Joules is a better word, it sounds fucking disgusting, calories sounds too scientific.

>Oh you're getting too many calories.
Fuck you strong beautiful woman who don't need no health.

>You're getting too many joules.

Fuck that sounds awful, how do I get less?

>>41384822
All calories are equal.
You mean not all macros are equal.
You can eat a deficit eating only twinkies and lose weight.
The problem is that you wont have the same energy levels, muscle growth, or hormone balance.
You could do it right now but you will be sacrificing your own progress for scientific studies.

>>41384332
I think you need to jump off a cliff my man.

>>41385603
>eat the same amount of calories
>wont have the same energy levels, muscle growth, or hormone balance
Hmmmm. It's almost like, hold on for a minute, they're not fucking equal. Reductionistic models are for people who are too stupid to understand more.

>>41385625
If you dont realize that scientist are constantly removing variables in order to perfect studies then you are retarded.
Eat more calories than you burn and you gain weight.
Eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight.
You can try it a million different ways and it will always be the same.
No one is saying that you can become Arnold while eating nothing but twinkies.

>>41385538
>SI units
>Less scientific

>>41385667
Reductionistic to the point of 4 words, now that actually retarded. Also fix your spacing.

>>41384517
... no

>>41377247
>science
>meme

>>41385603
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2010/11/16/the-twinkie-diet/

>>41377247
Does anyone honestly believe this horseshit? It can be a good guideline AS LONG as you eat properly, ie getting your vedgetables, fruit, PROTEIN and overall a varying diet. Fucking retards thinking you can eat half a bag of chips and be fine.

>>41385683
Sex is determined by chromosomes.
5 words must be wrong.
Gg fag kys

>>41384800
>jaw muscles
>biggest muscle in the body
jesus fucking christ how can people be this stupid?

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>271 replies
>113 posters

wew

>>41377247
When people realise how water retention, insulin, other hormones, digestion and TEF works and how just because you put something in your mouth you don't magically absorb every single calorie from it
People with diarrhea who lose weight eating surplus calories aren't defying the laws of physics

>>41379464
>People get fat because they're trained to eat food that makes them feel "never enough".

The thing you're not understanding, Captain Autist, is that regardless of how they feel, it's compelling them to eat more.

As in more calories than they're burning.

>>41379795
>what is ghrelin
>what is leptin
>what is CCK

>>41385683
t.Type of guy to call math and physics formulas reductionist

>>41385994
T. Doctor Oz

>>41386001
Its a joke faggot calm down

>>41386001
Funny because I'm actually in my 6th semester math. I know the difference between a definition and a concept.

>>41386041
whoa, 6th semester?

>>41386041
and i'm a graduate in biomedical sciences, why the fuck are you trying to talk about nutrition when you're not even well read on the subject. You're like the 3rd person in this thread I have to call out for spouting nonsense

>>41386084
Everyone ITT has read the sticky and is therefore an expert on nutrition.

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OP, thanks for this thread :)

also CICO fags BTFO

>>41386084
Sure, you're the absolute expert on the concept of x is greater than y, truly something you had to study. I'm here to tell you that reducing a HUGE concept with tons of variables to one equation is utterly retarded, that's math. Funny you're the one saying the word "nutrition". Also nice ad hominem, because you can't be knowledgeable without having professors tell you shit.

>>41377253
Nobody's disputing the laws of physics, retard. When talking about fat loss/gain, however, they should be applied to the energy into and out of adipocytes, not the energy into and out of the body.

>>41386098
Only that the nutrition part of the sticky is wrong about many things.

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all of the calories in calories out fags think that the body is a perfect system and absorbs literally 100% of all macronutrients and stores 100% of excess macronutrients.

they don't know that some are hardly absorbed, some are hardly stored/easily stored, and some increase thermogenesis and ATP production while providing the same amount of calories.

it's like they have little brains and can't be bothered to learn more and so forever shut them selves into the calories in calories out brainlet box

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>mfw this thread
>the ride never ends

>>41386199
You're an idiot. CICO is a colloquial term and already implies that the body is not a perfect system. It's a guideline that works very well. Two isocaloric diets of 2000kcal will cause roughly the same change in weight loss/gain assuming macro nutrient ratios are within normal ranges. Some people will go full retard with this and think that counting calories is impossible and doesn't work.


The best and most important thing when counting calories is that you can be consistently "wrong" but still successful in manipulating your progress. You might assume you have a TDEE of 2000 when it's in fact 1900. You might assume that the workout you always do burns 400 calories instead of 200. It doesn't matter because you always adjust according to the wight scale. Hell, you could probably make up and track your own made up units instead of calories and still find success as long as you are consistent.

>>41377290
Kek

>>41377247
When people figure out a fast metabolism is all you need to stay in shape

>>41386306
you seem to be under the assumption that "calories in" and "calories out" are independent of each other

>>41386306
Your TDEE changes
Body composition is important to people here. Eat 2000cal of shit food and 2000cal of good food will make a big difference, and denying that will make you look worse in the long run.

And the argument about laws of thermodynamics implies its universal applicability, and is ALWAYS used in these sorts of discussion. It is extremely simplistic in nature, to the point where it can become detrimental to your progress. If you take CICO at face value which many here do, then you should have no objection whatsoever to 2000cal sugar diets. None.
But admitting that people eating 2000cal of pure sure is kind of stupid then already negates CICO's universality. And this starts with macro and then micronutriets. What is it now? CICO or CICO + macro? Or should should this be clarified further?

>eat exactly as many calories as you burn
>replace half your calories with calories from sugar, maintaining same daily intake.
>Gain weight as your liver freaks the fuck out and makes excess insulin.
>Weight is just calories in and calories out guys, doesn't matter where those units used to measure heat come from.

>>41386460
This. How can you preach cals in, cals out BUT at the same time advise against 100% sugar diets? Its more nuanced than that, but admitting to this makes CICO obsolete.

>>41384048
POOL NOODLE

>>41384207
Second law of thermodynamics. Do not talk about thermodynamics.

>>41384207
this is true, but hfcs isn't any worse than sucrose

>>41386460
>b-but thermodynamics

>>41377798
WHAT ABOUT THERMODYNAMICS
Jesus Christ you sound like faggoty creationists trying to disprove evolution

>>41386476
While not being the ONLY important thing for weight loss, CI/CO is still the most important factor for weight loss by a massive margin. Reccomending less sugar has more to do with satiety (which of course may help with weight loss), insulin resistance and inflammation than weight loss. For an extreme example, see: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
Several meta-analyses on low-carb diet studies have shown that they are equally effective when compared to traditional diets when it comes to long-term weight loss.

>>41386460
You say this like protein and fat you eat are just shit/pissed out or something if you don't eat much sugar. Where do you think calories from other sources go when you consume them in excess?

Can someone help me:

I am 1.85m and 90kg. I do fightsports and lifting, at weekends dancing in the club. Problem is I am gaining weight so fast(not muscles...fat). I should eat about 2-3k calories a day, but as soon as I eat more than 1.5-1.8 I am gaining weight...that cant be possible? I am neither a woman nor a skinlet...

>>41386535
Yes, I agree about that. My only gripe is the senseless spouting of CICO as the be all, end all dietary advice. Especially if you lose a lot of weight, it becomes more important to consider others factors like insulin resistance. But going on and on about silly soundbites like thermodynamics does never contribute to any discussion, but actually obscures the whole cutting process for many people that have no clue about it. Im not arguing that fatties should disregard CICO, far from it. But why not take a more nuanced approach right away instead of shitposting silly one sentence memes that ultimately dont help anyone long(er)-term

>>41386419
Not at all, i'm well aware of energy as well as macro nutrient compensation.

>>41386452
Big difference? I doubt it. Define shit food and good food. In terms of health and performance there might be a difference. The laws of thermodynamics apply, but the energy balance equation is not static. Which is what makes this whole issue appear complex https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386028. My objection to 2000kcal sugar diets is that you will end up in the hospital and it's not realistic. Macros and micros don't need to be adressed. Eat like a normal person and adjust serving sizes. This is likes people bashing IIFYM all over again. saying shit like "but what if I get 200g of protein from onions???".


>>41386460
Insulin is no magic hormone that makes you fat, doofus. You can't store nutrients that you don't have.
People keep trying to say shit like insulin, gluten, sugar, fat, whatever makes you fat when they key aspect has always been caloric intake. CICO applies unless you're alien.

>>41377247
It's still vaguely correct. Carb and protein metabolism are important and all, but you WILL lose weight if you eat below maintenance.

>>41386535
This. People put the cart before the horse and worry about shit like having to eat according to some paleo lifestyle when calories is what should come first.

>>41385625
>Reductionistic models are for people who are too stupid to understand more.

kek

>>41386476
>admitting to this makes CICO obsolete.

Sure, like the 2nd term of a taylor series makes that first obsolete amirite?

I agree for most people this is the case and one of the most common issues with weight loss is counting calories accurately.

I want to highlight my experience though, as I think it might be relevant.

My TDEE is 2063 a day and I was tracking all my food on MFP and sticking to 1200-1400. I did this alongside exercising 5 times a week for an hour, including cardio and weights.

It was only once I reached the three month stage (almost exactly) that I saw any change in the scale. I was doing every right, hitting the gym and eating well but my body just wasn't reacting. I should add I was losing inches, but no actual weight.

In the last few weeks I decided to drop carbs from my diet. I still stuck to the same calories but cut out pasta, potatoes, certain vegetables and super fruit sweet. It was only when I did this that I dropped weight (and it continues to drop 4 weeks later).

I think because I was overweight for so long, my body became used to using carbs I was taking in. It could also be that I was retaining weight like a fucker but I figured that would sort itself out after a month or so of working out.

So I think some people are sensitive to certain things and avoiding these might result in a higher chance of weight loss.

Just my two cents. Probably totally wrong.

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>this thread

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all the calories in calories out poofters suck dick

i would REK u in a debat

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>>41377306

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT TRUMP!

>>41387195
It's a joke faggot calm down

>>41387275
>posts ass mad bullshit
>it's a fucking joke you shit faggot
sure, captain assblast, it was a joke

>>41387432
Yeah, man. He sounded absolutely furious...

Maybe you should just stop posting.

When the laws of physics change

>>41387513
Trump would change them if only those damned liberals stopped repealing everything he does

>>41377247
>tfw you monkeys don't realize that it's both.

>>41387625
t. Captain assblast