/fg/ Fasting General

>>41100189
Currently going through with a 20:4 routine. Has definitely helped me lose weight more than general dietary restriction. 600 cal deficit, and eating about an hour after working out.

>>41100235
Bump

How does this work? You fast and you eat on a deficit?

16:8 master race, 1600-1800 kcal daily, been losing weight and building muscle it's fuckin gr8 m8. I think fasting longer than 18 hours catabolizes muscles tho, there's a limit imo.

>>41100189

I've been going 16/8 for years. Thinking about switching to 20/4. For those running 20/4, do you notice attitude problems if your feeding window is delayed? A long time ago, when I ran 20/4, my feeding window was 6-10pm and if I couldn't get to dinner until 7 or 8pm, I was the bitchiest man on the planet. It didn't happen often, but when it did, I was such a moody arse.

I've been doing 16:8 my whole life without even realising it. Skipping breakfast basically guarantees it

>>41100189
If I'm trying to gain muscle mass but lose bfp is that a good thing to do?

>>41100462
>I think
Our bodies aren't that retarded it starts losing muscle at 18 hours

>>41100477
Not all the time. Most normies drink calories in the morning. Usually cream I'm
Coffee or oj.
>>41100490
Correct
>>41100462
Wrong
Someone post that jap doctor talking about fat burning while fasting.

>>41100429
Essentially. When you're fasting you're eating within a limited time frame. If you feel satiated, you're less likely to eat more during that window, and if you have the discipline you won't eat when the fasting window starts. Essentially eating on a deficit, even more if you work out during fasting.

>>41100488
If you're lifting you should be fine. Just be sure to eat enough that you feel energized to lift.

>>41100703
Thanks. Makes sense. It's basically living on expedition mode.

~62 hours fasting. In a little while I'm gonna have a small pre-workout meal and go do some squats.

Fasting sucks.

>>41101466
No, eating slightly less than your body needs every day sucks.

Is it allright to try keto and fasting at the same time? Also, never did any research on fasting, can anyone give me a rundown of anything I NEED to know?

>>41100189
Help a retard out

been doing psmf for 2 monthes fine, last two weeks I get dizzy if I stand up quickly. It goes away if I drink lots of water, but If I don't have any for 3-4 hour it comes back. also goes away for a day after eating lots of carbs. Is it low blood pressure or something?

>>41101565
I've gone way the fuck overboard on my cut and am doing keto IF.

Works pretty well, just make sure you're nailing your protein int he right windows and keeping your carbs under whatever threshold you've picked.

I've seen loads of weight loss and fat loss but I'm doing a YC stack, EC stack...

Suicide by heart implosion.

>>41101580
fuuuuaaaark

Thanks for the help though, here's hoping for progress for both of us.

>>41101565
I´m doing 23 hour fast 1 hour eating window. Basically 1 big meal a day. Always keto.

I´m gone from 86kg to 79kg in 2 months. I probably should eat smaller portions, but I literally binge eat during my one meal a day, but I don´t think its too bad cos I limit myself to keto/low carb foods. Fat loss is working albeit a bit slow.

>>41101591
20 more lbs and I can cycle back into being normal.

Make sure you watch your fiber too. Flax meal in protein shakes, asparagus, brussel sprouts.

Most of your carbs should come from that.

>>41101611
7 kg in 8 weeks isn't slow at all.

>>41101622
Probably not lifting during like most of /fat/ general.

Hemorrhaging muscle in addition to fat. Then work it back up once they feel skinny enough.

>>41101627
I do lift. Could not even do a single pullup when I was 86kg, now I can do 6 and few chinups.

86kg has the fattest I´ve ever been because I was on certain neuroleptic medication that made me balloon up (Zyprexa). Quit the medication and started to lose weight. I´m aiming for 70kg which was my normal weight and when I mainly just did calisthenics. I still feel too heavy for many bodyweight exercises I could do easily about 2 year ago.

What's the damage of breaking my fast usually once a week?

Generally every Friday/Saturday I go out drinking, so I'm consuming the carbs and sugars and shit that are in beer and occasionally after drinking all night I'll hit like a 4am burger shop or something

> Hurr get discipline

I found fasting literally effortless, I just enjoy drinking with my bros and occasionally drunk me thinks "Fuck it" and grabs a burger

How much of the benefits am I losing my fasting 16:8 6 days a week?

>>41100189
Im starting out at 14:10 because Im a week willed faggot, but will increase the fast hours slowly. Can anyone give me tips on staying away from hunger?

Doing one meal pr day. For me, it's an easy way to live while losing weight. 13kg so far, 6 weeks into IF. (8 weeks of weight loss total).
I also did a 48 hour fast last week. Felt great, and Im considering if I should do it again next week.

Fasting is bigger meme than keto was last 2 years, haha, you guys aren't gonna make it.

>>41102769
>Can anyone give me tips on staying away from hunger?

Can only speak for myself, but the method is mostly psychological. The intense hunger only lasts for 2-3 minutes at a time, sometimes even less. It might go away for an hour then come back, it might go away for a shorter time then come back, but the real intense feelings do not last long at all. Even though you tell yourself "I've been hungry for the last 2 hours", but in reality you've just had a few intense moments that came and went.

So basically brace yourself for short intense periods, and when they are quickly over, all that is left is the milder ones (which are easy as fuck to deal with).

Another thing for me is NEVER eat in the morning. If you don't eat after waking up, it is much easier not to eat for the rest of the day. If I have a big breakfast then I can sure as fuck expect to feel like shit not eating for the rest of the day.

Everything gets easier with experience if you don't give in, your brain tries to get you to eat, and if it fails repeatedly, after a few weeks of practicing IF, it just stops playing tricks on you as much, you are no longer in the conditioned response.

Another thing is every once in a while our stomachs do a movement which moves material through our digestive system, and sometimes releases chemicals that can make you feel hungry, maybe even something close to pain. Just don't make a big deal out it, it is more intense when you are in a fasted state. Just let it happen, the bad feeling does not last long, it only lasts long if you make a big deal out of it.

Did a 6 day fast last week, feel fucking great now. Hard to describe it

How do you prepare for a 1 day fast? Lift then eat tons of food before the fast?

I want to try that sweet HGH boost

>>41102936
This is a good advice. Ill try this, thanks brah. Also how do you schedule your lifts?

This isn't healthy at all so it's only useful if you want weight loss, but the last few days I've been taking 20G+ of inositol, 800MG of caffeine and 30 cigarettes per day and I have no appetite at all, and no desire to eat until I'm close to passing out.

Gives you severe diarrhea, agitation and short term memory deficits but it works.

>>41103125
Might try this too. do I have to smoke 30 cigs or will less do?

>>41103146
not him, but I smoke 15-20 a day. Im not a fatty, pretty lean/muscular actually, but IF is still amazing on it. Smoke as many as you feel like, dont take up chainsmoking as a means to suppress hunger but rather have a cig instead of a snack. Thats how I do it

that being said, if you are not already smoking and thinking of starting it to just lose weight, you are an utter retard. Do not do this.

>>41103163
Im thinkin of Eca stack, 40g inositol and extra caffeine mega dose and close to 2 packs a day marlboro 100s, meth on weekends

Can anyone link me to a fasting guide?
I've been overweight since middle school and I want to make a change in my life and gain some real discipline.

>>41103028
Do keto for like 2 days before srs. Eating high fat and high protein will keep you satiated and blunt hunger pangs during your fast since you'll switch from getting energy from dietary fats to burning your own body fat. This works for me.

>>41103172
Ok I know youre joking with the meth but just some general advice. Do not obsess over IF like it is some miraculous wonder diet.
Dont eat breakfast, have your lunch later or skip it if you can go without it. Just follow your daily routine and see how far you come. Increase the fasting window step by step, your body will get used to it very quickly.
If you are out with friends and have a beer, dont deprive yourself of it just because you cant fit it into your eating window. Just try to follow it whenever you can but dont go full retard with 48h fasts, salt broths, eca stack and keto just because you want to lose weight fast.
This will make you miserable and unhappy. This week I managed to fast for 19-20 hours, could have gone without food for the entire day but decided not too since I have a good weight. The last two three days I ate sweets, drank coke and alcohol and didnt really fast for longer than 16 hours maybe.

It works for me, I feel great but im not giving up on small pleasures because of some marginal improvement. With everything, consistency is key. Its trite and worn out and clichéd, but that does not make it any less true. Dont torture yourself and set up autistic guidelines that are impossible to follow just to get the absolute maximum benefits out of fasting.

>>41100189
24 hour daily fast. I'll have one meal a day, upto 1500 calories of mostly carbs and protein.

I drink water all day to stave off hunger.

>>41103298
this is what mediocre people actually tells themselves at night

>>41100189
Im doing 5/3/1 routine and today I started a 24-hour-fast. I'll be doing it only Monday.
I usually train at 8pm and have dinner at 9.30pm. Today my fast ends at 9pm.
My questions are:
1 Can I keep my gains with a 5/3/1 on a cut + 1day fast?
2 Can I perform well in a heavy program without eating until after I finish like today's example?
3 How much should I eat after the workout. My calorie goal is 2200 kcal, but I dont know if I should reach that number or eat less.
4 Can u tell some of your experiences? Problems? Loss of gains? Etc.. (preferably if you are a powerlifter).
Anyway thanks for your help. We all gonna make it.
If you can post some studies or legit testimonies.

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>>41103298
I have run 3 48 hour fasts in the last month or so and it is god-tier. Don't let this gains goblin tell you to give in to your short-term reward system. Seeing my adonis belt and abs show after 3 easy 48 hour periods is amazing and that will make you truly happy.

>>41104224
5/3/1 works well with fat loss, I think, because of the submaximal weights.

somedays i just don't feel like eating so i go without food for the whole day and eat the next day or so, because i got so used to fasting. This happens like 3-4 times in 2 weeks.
Also IF gives the perfect opportunity for dirty bulking, while remaining quite lean.

>>41104432
>48 hour fast
Ok, what

>>41103298
>You're not going to make it

>>41104600
2 days

>>41103059
I've never held myself to a set schedule, except that it's 3 days a week with at least one day of rest in between. I am scared to let protein synthesis get underway though, without having protein in my body. So if I work out in a fasted state on any given day, I do it close to my meal time, never less than an hour. I don't know if I am overly paranoid about gains goblins in this regard or not.

I also sometimes do 'Eat, stop, eat' (which is two 24 hour fasts per week, and shooting for maintenance or near maintenance on regular days) In this case I like to eat almost immediately after a workout because I haven't eat in such a long time I'm afraid of the goblins.

>>41100702
How is
>>41100490
Right about 18:6 and
>>41100490
Wrong? I read them both and they seem like they agree on 18:6?

What am I missing? Yes I am retarded.

fasting like this difficult with an office job

>i just now eat carrots and celery all day

>>41105420
>fasting like this difficult with an office job

I can't really imagine that being true.

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Currently on the second day of a week-long fast, feeling pretty good.

How long is too long?

>>41105481
well 382 days isn't too long. (google it.)

>>41105501
Yeah, I looked that guy up after hearing that Dr. Fong dude mention his record. He was extremely overweight, and given various vitamin supplements and stuff by the doctor(s) overseeing his fast.

I just have a bit of chub that I'm trying to get rid of, and I wanna make sure I don't hurt myself or anything.

>>41105524
i think a week is a good limit for non-supervised fasts. take lots of salt, use epsom salts in your baths, and drink lots of water. and if you feel really shitty, just end the fast.

>>41105548
Is a week long enough that I need to worry about taking a multivitamin or something? I've just been drinking water so far.

>>41105594
no, don't bother with multivitamins. the two things i mentioned are necessary though, otherwise you'll feel like shit within a day or two.

Complete fasting scrub, what routine should I follow to ease into it? One day of 24 hour fasting a week?

>>41105594
hell yes, also worry about electrolytes and your heart, and a lot of other things. This is why a lot of people just do 24 hours max, or regular IF many times, instead of seven days, because they never have to worry about shit like that.

>>41105445
the random spikes of stress with work
>having a cutie who is always bringing in brownies and stuff

>>41105622
Yeah, that works, one or two days week for 24 hours is the "Eat stop eat" method, you'll lose 1-5 pounds a week according to how fat you are and how you eat on regular days. You have to do resistance training to preserve muscle.

The leangains method is choosing a window during the day where you can eat, and not eating at any other time. You need to figure out your TDEE and eat at a deficit.

You can read "Eat stop Eat" or leangains if you want, but it's really not necessary, the whole programs are literally what I just typed.

You have to do resistance training though, or say goodbye to muscle.

>>41105748
Are you supposed to be eating at a deficit on regular days?

Been doing 20:4 fasts for about 6 months. Mostly doing it for healthy and to not blow up like a balloon while bulking. Going to be cutting soon, what do you guys think of this plan?
3 days total fast 4 days no fast but doing keto. Do you think is sustainable/healthy?

>>41105837
You can, but you don't have to, because you get a nice deficit from not eating for two days of the week.

If your TDEE is 2400, then you are already at 4800 deficit for the week.

But if you can chop off some calories on regular days, why not. I personally stay around maintenance for sanity, often I don't count at all but I try not to fool myself into gorging, of course you need to wiegh yourself and there is a pretty shitty feeling not losing weight after a week even though you went through the trouble of not eating for 24 hours, so there is a pretty strong motivation not to overdo it on regular days.

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Guys, please respond

i've been water fasting for officially 3 days now, and i feel, good? i meanm stomach doesn't hurt for food, i should say

however, an hour ago, i got sorta odd chest pains (nothing that felt too insanely dangerous to go to a hospital or something but it was weird to say the least)

i have plans to go about 25-30 days on this water fast (no food, only water obviously)

my question is, this isn't gonna kill me right? its only the 3rd day and my heart acted up.. im 5'11, 215-220, plenty of fat on me

should i go less time then 28-30 days? will i be ok? any report saying this could legit kill you?

>>41106137
please tell me you've been taking salt

>>41106154
...what?

im still new to this, i didn't know i was suppose to?

>>41106179
it's been mentioned many times in these threads.

anyway, take some now.

>>41106189
(im gonna sound absolutely retarded i know)

but what exactly does salt do?

>>41106212
if you're not eating anything, drinking water isn't enough to keep you hydrated. salt will make you retain water.

also i'm pretty sure it does something to do with your heart, which would explain your chest pains.

>>41106244
thank you :D

should i put little bit of salt in each water bottle i drink? or just add in a big portion in the beginning of the day and drink it?

>>41106278
i just do this 4-5 times a day

>put salt into hand
>put salt under tongue
>put water into mouth
>swallow everything, trying not to let the salt touch your tongue

also, use good quality salt.

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>>41106313
alright. thank you anon, usually i just get called a faggot here, but for once, someone actually treated me nice :'D ty

>>41106348
good luck with your fast, faggot.

>>41106278
Doesn't matter, just start getting salt, and he's right, do it right now. If anything like this happens again just stop the fast.

>my question is, this isn't gonna kill me right?

there is a non zero chance that it kills you. This isn't going to solve your weight problem anyway. Only long term lifestyle changes will. Why not learn Intermittant Fasting instead? It is totally safe and will serve you for the rest of your life.

If you survive and lose 40 pounds, you still haven't learned to live a healthy lifestyle and you will be fat again. Fasting for 25-30 days makes no sense, especially since you dont even know about the heart and electrolyte thing, you havent done your research. I would just stop now and enjoy your wieght loss.You just did 3 days you could do 24 hours twice a week or a 20:4 and lose weight steady and healthy.

Bro, also, you think you are going to have the same amount of muscle after 25 days of no food? You think you can get good workouts in? ha not even close, you will be weaker than you ever have been since you were a toddler.

Will having a zero cal energy drink break my fast?

Pls halp.. absolute retard here, working on becoming fit, no idea what half the terms mean and am confuse.

I'm currently training for a half Ironman in September and although all the insane amounts of cardio have helped me in losing a lot of weight and fat, is like to lose these small semi love handles and bit of fat over my stomach.

How do I into fasting for the first time ever and what types of food should I eat and when? I usually work from 5am-1:30 or 3:30 pm, and train at the gym between 7-10pm

>>41106412
no, only real calories can. The common wisdom (without any real science behind it) is that it takes as much as 50 calories, so you can take vitamins that have like 5 calories and not worry about it.
This is from the IF hormonal perspective, I don't know anything about these exended weak long /25 day gains goblin health risk fasts though.

>>41106406
my old strategy was

i would eat one day, and skip the next

don't get me wrong, this was doing me pretty gud. i felt full, and i was still losing weight pretty fast, its just eh..im moving in the next few months, and i will be visiting some old friends i haven't seen in a year

last time they seen me, i had just finished losing a shit ton of weight (this time the healthy way) and they are sorta expecting em to still look as healthy (or more) as i once did

so basically im in panic mode because i would love to go back there and still look great, but i know the traditional method (or just "the healthy and smart way" probably won't do it for me) so thats why im sorta trying to rush muh weight lost. honestly, as long as i could quickly lose least 30lb i will quit the fast and just start eating salads until i have a firm grip on myself

>>41101700
Instead of doing a daily calorie goal it's absolutely possible to do a weekly goal (e.g. 5/2 diet). So if you know you are going to go plus on friday and saturday subtract that from the other days in the week.

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>>41103125
Bro that is not fasting that is full on anorectic eating disorder.

>>41106518
Calorie restriction isn't "healthy". It's unnatural and it messes up your hormones.

>>41106518
>next few months

well that is good news, take a few days off, eat maintanence. Next week fast for 2 days 24 hours, and eat a little below maintenance on the other days.

In a few months you could easily do 36 pounds (3 pounds a week 12 weeks) , if you are fatter you will lose even more. Plus you just fasted for 3 days, so you know you can do two days a week.
There is zero risk to your heart and if you workout out some you won't lose all your muscles.

>>41106518
>i would eat one day, and skip the next
thats better but it's easier to maintain over the long term the regular IF strategy of getting a daily window or only 2 days a week.

Most human beings cant sustain one day fasting, one day eating, for a long time,and if you can't sustain something, you end up a fat ass again, just like what happened to you. If you don't find something sustainable you literally aren't going to make it.

>>41106412
No, because you don't technically take in calories. A zero calorie soda wouldn't break the fast but keep in mind that the contents of the soda may mess with your body chemistry during the fast. Drink plain water, black coffee, or tea ideally.
>>41106448
http://jamesclear.com/the-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting
>what types of food should I eat and when?
Really you can eat anything so long as you hit your nutritional and caloric goal. Personally I just go for a standard cutting diet, high protein low carbs, so foods like chicken/fish, broccoli, spinach, eggs, brown rice, oats

>>41100702
>Someone post that jap doctor talking about fat burning while fasting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oLbFPo6jY

>>41106518
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Why has this stupid bullshit fasting meme caught on since two weeks or so? Where do you dumb shits read about it? Does it have anything to do with that fraud "doctor" jason fung who wants to make a cash grab telling people not to eat to get bigger? Are you all fat fucks unable of rational thought or so desperate to lose weight that you'll do anything that promises magical things too good to be true?

In all seriousness, you do understand that fasting isn't gonna make you lose any fat or gain any muscle? I mean deep inside you do see that there's a reason why no athlete or professional body builder does fasting? This is just the latest dumbass fad diet scam, please don't fall for it. Eat at 500kcal deficit 1g protein/lbs lean body mass like we all do instead. There's no magical shortcuts.

>>41106669
That's what I was curious about, do artificial sweeteners still cause an insulin spike?

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>>41106830
>fasting isn't gonna make you lose any fat

reconsider your life

>>41106830
>This is just the latest dumbass fad diet scam
>ancestors have been fasting for hundreds, if not thousands of years but yeah they're totally obese

>>41106830
Why would you eat to get bigger if your goal is to lose fat? You seem confused sweetie.

>>41106830

Fuck off u "red pilled" idiot. There is a lot more to weight loss and health instead of calories in and calories out. And it doesnt mean you need to break laws of thermodynamics.

>>41106851
theres a lot of controversy about that, probably not, at least directly. I don't mess with them, at least not regularly. Seems every year there is a new story about how they are not bad/ are bad, then another study about how that one study was wrong, and so on.

What I don't like about them is the psychological aspect. I am not eating for a period, the last thing I want is something that tastes almost like calories. I feel much better just with water/coffee/tea until I can eat for real again (then I will have some without even thinking about it if I feel like it)

>>41106888
>>ancestors have been fasting for hundreds, if not thousands of years but yeah they're totally obese
>people used to to this a long time ago so it proves it's good
You know what else people used to do thousands of years ago? Kill themselves.

>>41106922
I don't know what bullshit claims are made by this fraud chink and his orbiters.

>>41106931
>There is a lot more to weight loss and health instead of calories in and calories out.
Anyone who has ever said something like this has been either a con man trying to make money, one of his shills, a dumb gullible idiot falling for it, or a fat person trying to defend being fat.
>And it doesnt mean you need to break laws of thermodynamics.
But that's exactly what it does. Energy in, energy out. It's been proved over and over by real doctors and bodybuilders - that is, not by the latest fad diet pushing american scam artist - that a few hundred kcal deficit and enough protein while doing resistance training is the proper way to lose fat and keep muscle. Why would you do it any other way?

>>41106995
nah you're wrong

>>41106830
eating at a deficit can help you lose weight. IF helps some people eat at a deficit easier. IF is not a new meme, it's been around for years already.

http://www.leangains.com/2016/12/client-update.html

you can go through the years and find some athletes and bodybuilders pictures, along with all the other pictures of regular people who got swole and lean. This is just a small bit of the people doing it, it's been part of the fit scene for a long time, and a lot of people have been successful with it.

You are the one who is behind the times, you are like an old man trying to tell the young "punks" that they are doing it wrong, but your dried up knowledge base no longer supports the reality.

I have been doin a form of this. I work overnight and come home at 530 am. I eat my meals between 10pm and 4am. I find it easy to stay below my TDEE this way. I wake up around 1pm drink black coffee then hit the gym and feel fine. Of course I'm trying to loose 20 lbs. I'm muscular enough and I'm not worried about losing a bunch of muscle suddenly. Overnight work is not healthy in general and this method keeps me on track

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>>41106995
>whining about a "con" when it's actually free, well-studied, and been used for hundreds of years
Sure, you have to be a retard to buy books or programs relating to it, but you're just as dumb if you think this is a big fad. It's an effective weight loss tool for its emphasis on self discipline.
>hurr durr just calories in calories out brah
It's a supplement to weight loss just like exercising.
7/10 made me reply

>>41107072
I'm not talking about IF (in which you still eat every day) but this new meme where you starve yourself for days. There's no benefit to that whatsoever.

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>>41107103
>There's no benefit to that whatsoever.

ACTUALLY...

>>41101611
>starving yourself for the whole day to eat one meal of heart attack inducing unhealthy shit at the end of it
>not losing weight any faster than me just skipping breakfast and removing unnecessary sugar and fat from my meals

Kek, I will never understand how you retards arrived at the conclusion that eating the most calorie dense and the most easily stored macro is a good plan for weight loss.

>>41107103
> where you starve yourself for days

I agree actually, your post railed against all forms of fasting though, but I guess you aren't like the old man yelling at young punks, so I take that back. You could have been more specific in that post though.

>>41107174
>fat causes heart attacks

*cringe*

>>41107188
>emotes
Reddit is that way.

>>41107103
At least specify before lumping all types of fasting with starvation mode fasting

>>41107203
So are the 1990s, dumbass.

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On my cut, I stick to a 750 calorie deficit (2500 cals a day), binge eat 5000+ on Saturday, then don't eat at all on Sunday. Working pretty good so far.

>>41101577
get your salt, Potassium, Magnesium supps and Stretch your legs, chest, neck and jaw extensively before sleep. I find it usually is one of those making me light headed.

>>41107258
Yeah your TDEE isn't anywhere near 3250.

>>41107258
sounds good brah, how many weeks have you been doing this?

>>41106830
One of the dumbest posts ive seen on /fit/ in five years. Congrats.

>Eat at a deficit, theres no magical shortcuts

>dont do this thing that makes it easier to eat a deficit though

>>41105331
See>>41106700
watch all tahts dudes videos on fasting. He explained how your body heavily prioritizes fat burning over muscle burning.

>>41107188
Not that dude, but he never said shit about fat causing heart attacks. He was just posting to that fucking idiot gorging himself at the end of the day on IF and complaining about weight loss speed. CICO is supreme, and there is no debate that fat is the most calorie dense, which just means you have to eat less if you are counting calories like you should be.

>>41100189
I finally broke my plateau and went from 209 to 197 in a week

>>41101565

if you're doing regular fasting, keto is probably better since your body will be more adapted to burning the fat you've got than consuming carbohydrates from your blood and digestive tract.

>>41107333
Fat does cause heart attacks though.

>>41107306
I'm 6'3", lift 2 hours a day 5 days a week, work an active job, and do 1.5 hours of cardio a day. I was losing weight at 3000 calories for a while. Every TDEE calculator puts me between 3000 and 3400 for maintenance.

>>41107333
>>starving yourself for the whole day to eat one meal of heart attack inducing unhealthy shit at the end of it

>>41107354

>implying that fat causes heart problems.

>>41107306
Not the guy you're replying to but I'm 6''2 215lbs and I'm cutting at 3200cal on lifting days, 3000 on off days. Losing a little over a pound a week. I do IF but not on a really strict time schedule, I eat at 12 or 1pm depending on which shift I'm working and my last meal is at 9 - 10 pm.

>>41107389
Yes, that's my position as well. I was quoting somebody else, dummy.

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ay, im that anon who was talking about fasting on water for 25-28 days

well i failed. i decided maybe a full scale on water fast was stupid

so im gonna eat this, and then not eat for the next 2 days. yes yes i know this food isn't healthy, but i haven't eaten in 3 days, im sure this food can slide :p

>>41107434

jesus did it for 40 days. man up.

>>41107459
great, now i feel like i failed the lord

>>41107434
What is even your plan, man. Why are you even fasting?

>>41107477
eh, i would like to lose least 10-15 pounds a month. i guess just so i can look good. the food in the pic is not how i usually eat, in fact i haven't eaten a meal this big in almost 2 months. usually i just eat like a single slice of pizza and that holds me over for a day or two.

i would like to get a gf is my plan i guess

>>41107499
Do you lift or do cardio?

>>41107499
why do you insist on eating shit, and eating on a shit program? Why not eat better food and do real I.F. for fucks sake. You aren't doing yourself any favors by not eating for two days or three days, then eating dogshit, when you can go only 24 hours more than once a week, and eat better on the other days. Or figure out an eating window. It is easier that way, that's why people do it. Why do you have to do it the shitty and hard way?

WHY?

and you didn't fail, you did a good thing by ending the fast after three days, and committing to weekly weight loss. It's too late now, but you did a bad thing by eating shit. You could have eaten half of that food and half vegatables and your stomach would feel nice and full and you'd just lost a small bit of wieght right there.

Next time you want to eat shit like that, cut it in half and throw it on top of lettuce or broccoli or carrots or something, and drink water. Next time you want to fast for two days, cut it in half and fast for 24 hours and eat better when you come off the fast. Jesus christ man, you insist on doing things the hard way.

>>41107564
everyday for 10 min, i add in lifting with my daily workout plan

i only have 1 dumbbell, that is 25 pounds (not much, i know but im poor and have too much anxiety to go to a gym)

and i sadly have no wheres to do cardio, i sorta dont live in a big city (im in a pretty spread out place in the country) i would love to do it, i use to love running back at the old football field in my old city, few years back]

>>41107573
>>41107604

im a literal neet, i get whatever parents sorta bring, they happen to be insanely over weight so ye, only semi healthy things we got is canned food, pea's, corn, carrots and that sorta shizz

and if it makes you feel any better, i didn't eat all the mac and cheese, and i tossed away one of the buns for the hot dog..i know it isn't much but i tried saving myself an extra 100 calories or so..and yes i'll admit i fucked up majorly.

>>41107434
god that looks disgusting, seriously all that ketchup and mustard? and cheetos as a side?

>>41107717
half of the ketchup ended up on the banana, which even grossed me out

>>41107639
maybe you can get your parents to buy those big bags of frozen mixed vegetables. Some of them are only like 3 or 4 dollars. Big bags of corn. Canned stuff is ok for to get volume in your stomach, but it's like 1.50 for a can and you only get like 2 and a half servings, so you can tell them it's actually cheaper to get the big bags of frozen veg. that has like 16 servings in it.

Canned beans are really good for protein and and are very filling, pretty tasty too.

I think you are going to make it but you gotta make long term changes, this short term shit never works out. Good job on throwing that bun away and not eating all the mac and cheese.

>>41107789
thank you :D

i promise in few months time, i won't fail you or /fit/

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>>41107434
>all that fat people shit
>2/3 of a banana

FOR WHAT WHY
WHAT DID YOU EVEN DO WITH THE REMAINDER

>>41107333
Never
EVER
gonna
MAKE IT

>>41106830
How does "doctor" jason fung (who?) get money from me not eating at a certain period of time?

I'm thinking about doing alternate day fasting after my bulk. How much should I be eating in the days I do eat? Maintenance? Or would it be better just to hit IF at a deficit?

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if i plan on fasting (pure water) for a week, what are some good bodyweight exercises? i haven't lifted or worked out in over a year, so i'm thinking doing hourly push-ups.

i also get paid to do squats.

>>41100189
To anybody who lurks this shit. Fasting works. I ain't joking. In my entire life I never lost so much and so fast weight like now. And the weirdest thing is even though I'm hungry I still can't bring myself to eat. So at the moment I felt to 1000 kalories a day. So maybe it is time to stop?

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Nub here considering IF.

Does gum break the fast? Was reading up on it and it seems under 50 cal keeps you in the go fast state. A stick only has roughly 5.

>>41101700
Look up anabolic dieting. It seems to fit your needs.

>>41109356
Fast isn't some binary state that you enter and can get knocked out of. It's just a period of not eating.
Your body runs continuously and needs energy. If it's not getting it from food it's gonna reach for the fat (and eventually muscle) reserves.
Eating 100kcal then fasting 24 hours will have the same effect as fasting 2x12 hours with 100kcal in the middle.

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I FUCKING LOVE INTERMITTENT FASTING
>CLEAR MIND, NO MORE BRAIN FOG
>FAT MELTING OFF
>NO HUNGER
>SATISFYING MEALS THAT COMPLETELY FILL YOU UP
>NO MORE WAVES OF SADNESS
>EXPLOSIVE ENERGY AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT
>CONVENIENT AS FUCK
>LIFTS PROGRESSING... ON A CUT
honestly this is the best fitness/health orientated thing that I started doing. eating 3 or 6 small meals a day trying to lose weight is plebeian tier in comparison to IF

insulin is the devil

>>41109741
>NO HUNGER

why you lie

>>41109754
Not the same anon here but you're doing something wrong if you feel hunger during your fast

>>41109786
Maybe he's just starting out. I felt some hunger when I first started IF.

What's with the retard trying to jump straight into a 28 day fast? Do you think this shit is easy? Just like everything else you need to build up tolerance and practice to get extended fasting down.

>>41109863
>>41109786
this. after you get acclimated you're fine but the first 2 weeks or so are a bitch

>>41107816
fed it to dog

>>41109886
Just let him learn on his own. He'll crack after two days and gain more weight than before.

Just finished breaking my fast, 20:2 routine. Had this for dinner;
>hardboiled egg
>2 grilled talapia fillets
>polish sausage
>2 cups broccoli
Absolutely full now, all under 700 calories.

fast till 5pm daily

LMFAO @ not being 8-12% bf

test gains are GOAT too

>>41100429
>How does this work? You fast and you eat on a deficit?

Skip breakfast. Lunch is a normal meal. Dinner is smaller than lunch. No snacking. Basically pretend you're a Trad Cath during Lent, except you can have meat. Change which you skip and which is the normal meal based on your schedule, though, you want the bigger meal after you workout. All the bullshit about hormones etc. is just that, bullshit, it works because it forces you to eat less food i.e. fewer kcals in. It's not magic but it's really useful for smaller guys b/c it is hard to eat 3 meals and feel satisfied by any of them when you have to be under 2K kcals to lose weight, whereas just being hungry in the mornings (which isn't all that hungry since you kind of stabilize in your sleep) and then being satisfied by lunch and mildly hungry after dinner is easier psychologically.

>>41113871
>All the bullshit about hormones etc. is just that, bullshit, it works because it forces you to eat less food i.e. fewer kcals in.

I mean I'm glad it's working for you but this is simply wrong.

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>>41100189
Opinions on this stuff lads? I bought one while I was at the store because I ran out of caffeine tablets and needed something to mix with instant coffee before my workout cause I'm poor.

>tastes good as fuck

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>>41106137
>a month without food
Nigga wot are you doing

>>41106830
It's for cutting, no one is recommending it for bulking idiot

>>41109786
>Not the same anon here but you're doing something wrong if you feel hunger during your fast
>>41109926
>this. after you get acclimated you're fine but the first 2 weeks or so are a bitch
I don't think that's true, i still feel hungry after 2 months. I'm pretty sure its 100% natural and normal to feel hungry when you haven't eaten for 20 hours, it's just that the hunger is like a background empty feeling rather than some all consuming desire.

>>41106137
Dont do this for fucks sake you're gonna die ffs just eat at a 500 kcal deficit, no need to kill yourself for weight loss

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so what is best most used fasting/IF plan to stick and what are benefts of any particular.After reading that gook 'dr' site he mostly refers to fasting from 24h up to few days, but also mentions other types like 16/8(leangains), 20/4(warriors diet).From his data its pretty evident that he generaly aims for prolonged fast 24h+ since after that period glycogen reserves are being depleted and gluconeogenesis begins to dominate, utilizing triglyceride to produce fatty acids for most of tissues and glycerol into glucose for brain.Also most noticable GH spike is witnessed around 24h mark with few lesser (still more than normal number) spikes along the way.So now i wonder what is best course of action here for optimal 'athlete' performace and gains wise?Leangains is 'too' short to be completeley overtaken by gluconeogenesis since at 16h mark you still have half of your glycogen stores, yet it is not crucial to achieve if not aiming for drastic fat loss , but on the other hand any more than 20/4 will be not enough to replenish protein resources for recovery from training.Correct me if im wrong here but i guess 16/8 seems optimal for most of IF benefits (moderate fat loss and GH increase + nutrients replenish) for someone who trains and can be done almost daily, while 24+ is better for most fat loss possible with muscle loss prevention while reducing training to lighter intensity but has to be done only 2/3 times a week max depending of fast time.

>>41116054
Informative post.

I've been essentially running either 'leangains' or 'warriors diet' for almost 2 years. Shredded af atm. Have never tried a fast greater than 24h but will give it a go. I'm actually trying to lose muscle because I got too big and realized ottermode is the ideal.

>>41116256
so i assume you were building muscle mass steadily with both of those diet regiments right?and if so did you eat always at caloric surplus or maintenace on rest days ,im curious since this IF calculator http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ advises to do so when fat loss/muscle gain is selected (-10/+20 ratio), please elaborate if you will.

>Eating one meal at 12pm of eggs and toast
>Eat one meal at 6pm of whatever mum cooks
>Thats all i eat
The first meal always makes me feel super full and bloated and shitty, and that's after refining it down to eggs which makes me the least bloated feeling, before on a sandwich or anything else i was worse

What do?

>>41116382
>>41116382
Correct I was gaining muscle while eating at a surplus on IF.

I don't count calories, just 'eyeball it', but I'm probably eating at maintenance or less as of late. Have lost some muscle mass but mostly fat. The muscle isn't really coming off, probably because I lift frequently still.

Rest days I probably end up eating more because it's usually my training in the afternoon that pushes the feed window later in the day.

Sry I couldn't be more specific.

>>41116403
This happened to me at first. I started drinking a lot of water before the meal as well as taking probiotics and it seemed to stop after a while.

>>41116403
stop eating bread my dude

>>41116529
God I hope you are me.
The last time I was secured want so fun.
The crayon supply ran out way too early!

>I don't want to count calories but suspect if I don't for at least a short while, I'll be stuck at this plateau.

>>41106137
if you are fat you can go 30 days EZ. just take vitamins/minerals

>>41106995
I've been following these threads. The guy who claims that CICO is a myth is a fatass who admits that he couldn't stop shoveling food into his face, and that therefore means fasting > CICO

>>41116529
thanks for the input bro

>fast for about 30-40h
>feel bloated and fat
How

>>41114280
Hyphy Mud!!!

>>41105420
If you're busy all day, then it should be easier to fast imo (unless u are doing jack shit at the office)

23:1 is the best fast. Every day is the best meal you've ever tasted

>>41100189
I've seen studies that extended fasts increase natural HGH production up to 1000 percent
I ate a truck load of food during Easter and I was wondering if a two or three day fast would be safe
I've done 20/4 IF for a year so hunger is not going to be a problem

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>>41117370
We Africans now

>>41106137

If you've never fasted before you arent going to be able to get up to 30 days. You have to do a few shorter fasts first so you know what to expect. Also do some fucking research. Fasting isn't risk free especially for weightloss.

>>41100477

I did the same back when I was in my 20s-30s. I think this is why I didn't get fat until later in life, despite eating fast food more often than not, after reading about how important breakfast is and deciding I need to at least down a protein bar or something.

>Eat less
>Feel better

Kind of weird that it works

Fat is literally melting off my body... I'll have beach abs in no time. Just wish there was a way to target lower belly fat.

>>41119812
Take yohimbine while in a fasted state, helped me drop my lower back and an fat at the end of my cut