/fat/ - Fatty General

Is there a way to find what weight would I need to be to have a 2300 calorie tdde? At 173cm?

>>41000399
Probably around 85kg, just play with the tdee calculator until you get the tdee you are looking for.

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Where the fuck do I get Ephedrine, and how do I do the EC stack? (US)

and is this shit what i'm looking for? https://www.vitasave.ca/ephedrine-hcl-8-mg.html

>>41000422
>Go to Walgreens
>buy primatene or bronkaid

its that easy

>>41000436
What do the daily doses look?

>>41000374
>(Gonna need waist/neck measurements)
>125cm waist
>44cm neck
Am i doing smoething wrong or are these numbers fine?
Got 38% body fat which makes sense considering my belly.

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*see's you about to eat a McDonald's burger*

*teleport s behind you before the burger enters your mouth*

*chops burger in half*

no need to thank me, lad's

>>41000494
*see's you about to eat a McDonald's burger*

*Looks calorie number of said burger*

*teleports behind you before the burger enters your mouth*

*Steals burger and eats it*

*Tell him he needs to go on a diet*

>>41000511
this is more accurate tbqh

Some motivation without a gastricbypass Dr.now would be proud

https://littlethings.com/rafael-zuniga-transforms/?utm_source=godv&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=transformation

>>41000436
Bronkaid doesn't have enough ephedrine so you need to take a lot. a fatty like him will have a heart attack from it.

What's a good goal weight for me? I'm 6'0. Currently 234, started 280. Still over 30% bodyfat.

160 too low? I'm talking about nothing but lean weight, I've seen people my height at around 180 and their flabby and disgusting.

>>41000775
use the TDEE calc

NO WOJAK
FAKE THREAD
ABORT ABORT ABORT

>>41000802
Calc says 160-177. Around what I was thinking.

>>41000471
Yeah it is accurate if you are overweight, the TDEE need BODY FAT else it is wrong.

Tdee calculates with normal body fat around 20%, most fat people are around 40%.

Just test the difference between 20% and 40% body fat, the difference in calorie TDEE is fucking huge.

>Start cutting
>Never had refried beans before
>Make a thicc batch
>Just dried pinto beans, salt, onion, garlic, spices, butter
>Have a couple dollops of it with onion, tomato and cilantro in a tortilla for breakfast
>300 calories
>Combined with drinking lots of water keeps my tummy satisfied for the next 7 hours
>No profuse farting like with other beans

Holy shit is this the ultimate cutting food? who else /pintobeans/ here?

>>41000953
beans in general are great, refried is nasty though, enjoy your dog food

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>>41000953
>OP reposted my post in his thread

>>41000374
>Daily reminder at the end of the day, only calorie intake matters

Stay fat.

>>41001109
You are the one who ll stay fat with your autsim

m-muh calories

>>41001109
M8, whenever you like it or not that is the plain truth.

Body requires X amount of calories to go on every day
You eat X-(500 to 1200)
Body has to get calories from fat reserves
You lose weight.

Playing around with other shit are just small changes, they arent worth the effort.

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>>41000374
I've been noticing that ever since the new Dr. Fung science has been hitting the board these fat generals are specifically themed as calories in calories out.

Now, calories in and calories out is complete bull shit if you don't consider insulin sensitivity. You will not lose weight if you don't incorporate a fasting period and lay off the carbs.

OP, I suspect malicious intent. That or you are extremely bull headed. Either way, fuck you.

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>>41001212
And i dont do fasting

>>41001212
i was thinking of fasting for 48 hours, what would the ideal days be though? rest days? wont i need the proteins to recover?

>>41001231
Congratulations, you've lost 10 pounds of water weight.

If you cut your calories and don't fast then your body will lower its metabolism. You will lower your calories, your body will compensate with lowering the metabolism and your weight will plateau and you will feel like shit.

Counting. Calories. Does. Not. Work. If you don't incorporate a >12 fasting period between your last and first meal of the day. Processed carbohydrates will give you type 2 diabetes, make you insulin resistant, and addicted to sugars, breads, and cereals.

>>41001269
>10 pounds
>pounds
lmao it is kilos lol

But please, tell me about those 22pounds of water weight ;^)

>>41000399
20% or more of your TDEE is physical activity. So it's not like your energy expenditure is going to be stable at any weight.

>>41001249
Sorry dude, I'd love to help you with your question but I'm literally out the door. Helping my father with some renovation. You can peruse this thread for help. I'll be back later tonight.

>>40988250

>>41001269
>last and first meal of the day
>He eats more than once a day
never gonna make it

>tfw 50g of dark chocolate and coffee
feels good lads

>>41001285
Don't cry to me when you plateau and rebound to your original weight. Aight peace I'll bbl.

>>41001295
Oh your a fasting shill, now i get it.

>>41001295
thanks bro!

>>41001212
Fung says controversial shit on purpose. Controversy means more publicity.

Of course calorie counting is useful. Gym bros have been cutting weight with just calorie restriction for ages. They continue controlling their calories after losing the weight and their metabolic rate recovers gradually with lifting and increasing calories. People on /fit/ have been doing it successfully for years. It's pretty clear that non-gym-going normies are just doing it wrong by overeating after they end their diet.

I'm willing to believe that things like alternate day fasting could be more effective and could reduce or even eliminate metabolic rate slowdown. But it's hardly the case that calorie restriction doesn't work at all or that you can't keep the weight off permanently. It works and you can. Spouting contrarian hyperbole is just counterproductive, if what you really want is to promote the practice of fasting.

>>41000422
Come visit Canada, go to GNC, ask for ephedrine, buy as many pure hcl tabs as you want, smuggle it back to mcburgerworld

is it getting warmer?
I can't feel it

On the TDEE calculator, what do I put for activity level? I lift weights 3 times a week, so would that be Moderate?

Any fellow /fat/ Bros that are on a long, hard, dedicated path to cutting should add me on MFP.

Would love people to progress with or even compete against. We're all gonna make it brahs, good luck

Username is dspot85

Started 280 a month and a half ago, currently 265 ish. Weigh in day tomorrow, I only weigh once per week (every Sunday morning)

>>41000374
>vegetablefags.gif

>implying you can't eat literally as many vegetables as you want

>>41001581
sedentary always

>>41001595
i started at 290 2 weeks ago. didnt weigh myself this week yet

>>41000374

You guys really need to rethink the 500 calorie deficit for fat people. This is a deficit that should be practiced when you're low body fat and trying to prevent muscle loss. At overweight and obese ranges you can safely have a much higher defect.

>>41001745
Yeah, a lot of anons here cut pretty low. The pasta is just for idiots who don't know anything.

>>41001745
I agree, but you need to work up to it.

Started at a -250 just to get used to counting calories and kept slowly increasing it while losing weight at a more or less constant right.

Around -1000 now pretty comfortably.

>>41001789
I cut at -2000 most days of the week and don't eat for 2 days. Muscle loss is a meme, especially when your bmi is over 30.

At 250 you don't need any calories aside from maybe 100g of protein and some vitamin supplements.

Is 700 to 800 calories a day too little? I'm 6'4 and 270 pounds and pretty much only eat pork loin chops and canned tuna and whatever my gf makes for dinner, and it usually rounds to 800 calories a day. I do around 10 minutes of cali a day, and some bicep curls and that's about it.

>>41001855
>Muscle loss is a meme
it's not, but when you're really overweight you can cut pretty low without issue. Some scot guy fasted for 1 year, got checked out by a doctor weekly and was fine.

If you're not obese cutting that low can do permanent metabolic damage after an extended period.

>>41001864
I went from 280>200 in about 4-5 months. Losing about 5 lbs/week starting. Eating like you've been eating. I felt 100% fine, lifted 3days/week.

I got constipated, though. After 3 weeks I was able to shit 2-3 pebbles. 3-4 weeks after that I went to the ER and had an enema.

Filled up 2 toilets, worse pain I've ever experienced. Embarrassing. Eat more, get some fucking fiber for the love of god.

>>41001864
i do the same thing at 280, mainly due to not having food in the house and not being hungry. only got fat due to depression in a bad relationship a few years ago

>>41001874
Sorry, I meant it's a meme when you're obese. Obviously you can't cut that low if you're not.

>>41001900
Just wanted to clarify so some dumbass doesn't fuck himself up.

>>41001896
weird, i lift 5 days a week and do cardio every single day and ive only lost 6 lb in 2 weeks. im ony getting 900 to 1k cal a day too

>>41001935
>only lost 6 lb in 2 weeks
6lb is 2 weeks is pretty good. How much do you weigh?

>>41001935
ur eating way more than that m8.

i wasnt losing weight for 3 days straight cuz i overate every time.

>>41001935
I was eating a bit less then you and spent the year prior building up endurance and muscle in a weights class. Had probably a bigger bmr then you. But yeah, be careful with that fiber. Docs never seen anyone as constipated as me, worried that my intestines could've burst.

>>41001951
286

>>41001959
Seems a little low then. What have you been eating? You sure you're tracking calories correctly?

How many strawberries can i eat per day?

>>41001952
mp im really not, 2 eggs for breakfast, for lunch its either nothing but water ( not by choice ) or a sandwich wrap roughly 200+cal and a sparkling water if im lucky, and for dinner 1 cup rice + whatever meat usually chicken, but last two nights it was pork and a cabbage salad with lemon, at night i drink a hot tea no sugar

>>41001974
More than your stomach can hold.

So I've been doing IF for a while, simple 8:16 split

For people who do IF, have you tried changing up the window in which you can eat? Have you had better luck with 8:16 or 1:23?

>>41001985
me again, i do have really bad sleeping, i usually get like 3 or 4 hours here and there, today i didnt even know what day it was, i thought it was sunday, and for a guy my weight my stomach is HUGE ive seen other people my height and weight with a gut much smaller

whats your stance on LCHF

>>41001935

Have you lifted in the past?

I've lifted on and off for years and after 6 months of not lifting I started hitting the gym hard again. I've been on a similar super low calorie diet but since I started going to the gym again my weight loss stopped. I have very noticeable change in muscle size and I think it's due to my body filling muscles back up with water like they are when you lift regularly. Hoping this effect will subside and I can go back to the steady weight loss I had before.

>>41001935
>>41002053

fuck i misread your post nvm

>>41001985
>>41002035
Your genetics affect your fat storage. It's also what you were eating before, probably a lot of soda and other things high in simple carbs.

I'm not really sure how much sleep affects fat loss. You should really try eating 1 meal a day with as little carbs as possible.

Look up the two compartment problem by dr fung.

>>41001633
I hope your 295

>>41002053
i didn't lift but i got a shit ton of cardio via bike riding which stopped 5 years ago then i ballooned up, women are evil, prior to that relationship i maintained 250 since the age of 19 till 28 and im 33 now, my legs are pretty strong but my upper body is weak

>>41002070
my diet before i decided to get off my ass and do something consisted of the same dinners, but tons of soda and lunch used to consist of carb city and crap tons of cheese. ive since been able to cut out cheese and all softdrinks without cravings . im considering a 48 hour fast every weekend, i also developed a small hernia in my bellybutton because of my rapid weight gain, so doing crunches has to be slow and small rep, but the doctor requires i maintain working my abs and monitor any pain

>>41002105
284 now, just checked.

>>41002133
>my diet before i decided to get off my ass and do something consisted of the same dinners, but tons of soda and lunch used to consist of carb city and crap tons of cheese.

Yeah, sounds about right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk

This video will help you a LOT.

>>41001212
>You will not lose weight if you don't incorporate a fasting period and lay off the carbs

This exactly. All that happens is your hair goes green as your body turns to photosynthesis to make up for the energetic deficit.

>>41001974
all of them

I officially lost 21lbs as of today and really wanted to cheat because of it, but I chose not to
>walked to grocery store
>stared at ice cream section but only bought vegetables and low-fat Greek yogurt
>ran 3.4mi in 33 minutes when I came home

does anyone have a link to the new my 600 lb life episode with that fat one fat ass.

>>41002043
No energy, trouble sleeping, heart attacks.

>>41002240
its in the catalog, look for his fat ass image

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Skinnyfat here. I cut from 225lbs last year, now I'm at 170 5'10".

I'm really conflicted, should I be cutting or bulking, or just eating at maintenance? I don't want to stall on my lifts.

>>41002316
>246lb
>Got a huge belly
>he is 225
>Tiny cuddly belly that doesnt even need to go
DA FUCK?

>>41002289
cant find it, link me brah

>>41002336
hes 170 retard

>>41002316
In your position i'd go the recomp route. Bonus of fixing your hormones and metabolism from cutting so long, you can gain some muscle while cutting. I'd go that route till you stall. and then reconsider the options

http://scoobysworkshop.com/gain-muscle-lose-fat/

>>41002316
there's nothing skinny about your body m7

>>41002342
My 600lb Life [FRESH]
https://mega.nz/#F!e8pUTSyZ!EaK-ffkKeYVKXDUD4AS6kg

My Big Fat Fab Life [FRESH]
https://mega.nz/#F!HghU1aQJ!q4TzXvBcA4yb8n64yu185Q

>>41002316
>looking like that
>thinking about bulking
Dont let anyone tell you to bulk. You have to bite the bullet and go full skelly mode. Your lifts will stall, you will feel weak, you will be weak, you will be small.
But after that you can bulk freely for a year, and make great gains.
Keep at it brother!

>>41001269
damn I guess I've lost 36 lbs of water weight with my calorie counting :^)

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>>41002350
Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it. I've just been eating at maintenance for a while trying to figure this out.

>>41002362
Skinny as in lack of muscle, not lack of fat.

>>41002396
My problem with this is that I don't have anything to cut down to, it would just mess up my lifts which seems like a waste of time to me.

>>41002436
dat Spigen case tho

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>>41002226
proud of you staying strong, brother. youre gonna make it if you keep that up

>>41002436
Who cares if you have nothing to cut down to. Im gonna be a bit more blunt this time. You look like shit. Like a fat piece of shit. No offense, its an observation. Your lifts dont mean shit with these looks as long as you arent a strongman.
So go ahead, bulk, be even fatter, and realise 6 months later that i was right, and you will wish you would have got rid of that fat in those six month, instead of forcing yourself t cut for another year, which you will spend looking even fatter, and even more disgusting.
Your choice.

Looking at getting a protein powder, are there any recommended that wont cause gas or upset stomach?
looking into Slap Nutrition because its gluten and lactose free but honestly i have no idea about the world of protein powder.

>>41002533
Scooby did a write up of his favorite brands. I jsut get ON, cause it's whatever.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/top-5-best-protein-powders/

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>>41001269
is...is this true, bros? Do I need to fast if Im following tdee?

>>41002574
No. He has a sub 40 iq. Keep on trucking.

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>>41001269
>If you cut your calories and don't fast then your body will lower its metabolism.

>>41002627
>>41002574
>>41002399
>>41001285
>Fatties lose some waterweight
>Think calorie counting works
>they dont fast
Never gonna make it

how do I build strength when I have almost no muscle mass?
I can't even do a single pushup

should I buy those joke weight dumbells they advertise to housewives?

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>>41002730
He's actually serious

>>41002742
Try knee pushups. Anything to give you progressive resistance. If you're fat, it's probably just because the weight is too much for you.

>>41002751
The guy unironically linked the fasting general, he is a desperate shill.

>>41002770
6'1, 180
I'm sedentary to the point of blood clots

>>41002803
>I'm sedentary to the point of blood clots
Start taking walks or something man, fuck. Work your way up to the gym if you're just physically incapable of it. This is a marathon. Don't get too hung up about it.

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>>41001269

>>41002627
to 100% efficiency
that's right, you burn NO energy by existing
therodynamics be damned

>>41002035
Without sleep, you won't lose as fast, being healthy is the goal and you need 7-8 hours of sleep in order to do your best in the gym and in general

Today's dinner: Yet another stir fry

600g chicken breast
1 redpepper
1 yellow pepper
1 big onion
1 stalk of broccoli
Chow mein noodles
Sweet chili sauce.

Should land in the 1600-1800 calorie range, including a few splashes of oil for cooking and whatnot. TDEE of 2600, goal calories of 2000.

>>41002913
why so high?

>>41002574
He's a fool, don't listen.

>>41002151
Guy's speaking straight from his ass on half that shit he's spewing. It's not black and white, one or the other.

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if i eat at my TDEE then work off calories to match my normal calorie deficit will it have been like i never ate those calories or is it simply better to not eat the calories?
or in simpler terms will burning calories to put me at a deficit be as efficient as eating at a deficit?

>>41002913
Be careful, tdee can be wrong without accurate body fat.

Most fat people have 40% bodyfat, default tdee is low percent, check because the difference in calories is huge

>>41002894
sleep is VERY hard for me, my depression is strong.

>>41002935
It's the same. If you can actually stick to working out that much every day though, you may find it easier to eat and workout, and you'll be getting more micronutrients if you're eating good food.

>>41002226
As a guy who's lost a shitload of weight, it's definitely worth having a cheat meal once or twice a month. It's not a reward, don't think of it that way. Just something that is acceptable here and there. It helps your state of mind and seems to kick my body into gear as well

This thread is fucking retarded, losing fat isn't fucking rocket science, I started out at 250 and now I'm 190, simply by eating 1200 calories a day, with a 20 minute walk before breakfast, and an hour long workout consisting of 30-40 min cardio, and 20-30 min lifting, did it daily except for Sunday, took me about 7-8 months to do it

Fasting is autistic, stop trying to search for ways out of working out, the best way hands down to lose weight, is to lift and do cardio

Prove me wrong faggots

>>41002935
If you can maintain your deficit, but consume higher calories that's the goal. You'll feel better, be less hungry, will be able to maintain the diet for longer, and you're lose weight faster. Doing any type of activity to increase your tdee is great. A bit of walking here and there, taking the stairs, daily cardio...ect. You'll reach your goal faster and better.

>>41002965
im working out 5 days a week AND fasting on rest days

>>41002923

Well, my goal is generally 1500, but I consider it not a failure until 2000, basically. Sometimes I'm just super hungry after I eat 1500 worth and I'd rather go to 2000 than bail on the cut.

In this case, the sweet chili sauce noticably jacks up the calories. A lot of the time I do my stir fry with just soya sauce or something. But for a bit of variety it's worth the extra as long as I'm in my budget.

>>41002940

Yeah. I'm not super fat. Just trying to slim back down to flat stomach and more muscle definition. It'll be ok. Appreciate the warning.

>>41002965
False, the best way is to eat less, lifting is irrelevant

>>41000374
5'4 grill here lost another three lbs this week so now I weight 181 lbs. Its honestly crazy to think that I have lost 25lbs in just over 3 months. I still have a long way to go but it feels nice to achieve something.

Is it normal to be losing 3 lbs a week now? I was more accustomed to 1.5-2 lbs a week but for the past few weeks I have been losing 3, and honestly I feel like I am eating more non-diet food nowadays.

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>>41002965
Post body.

>>41002940
how do you find out fat?

>>41003004
>Is it normal to be losing 3 lbs a week now? I was more accustomed to 1.5-2 lbs a week but for the past few weeks I have been losing 3, and honestly I feel like I am eating more non-diet food nowadays.

Weight variable, scales variable. Don't take the weekly losses as pure measurements of fat loss progress. You're doing well, don't overthink it.

The one thread on 4chan where girls post openly about being girls and don't get mobbed for pics/nudes.

Beautiful.

>>41003010
Look op, has a link that requires neck and waist measurements.

Then use tdee calculator in op and see the enormous calorie difference between 40% and 15-20% which is the default

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>>41002949
meditate
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:46F20E647E59D51A82B781BAF4472578623D1F75&dn=Headspace%20v2%20%28Complete%20-%20December%202015%29&tr=http%3a%2f%2fmgtracker.org%3a6881%2fannounce&tr=http%3a%2f%2fp4p.arenabg.ch%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.zer0day.to%3a1337%2fannounce
ive gone from using ambien nightly to rarely

>>41003068
I'm not even slightly aroused by that picture

>>41002965
wow, you cracked the code
you just made history

>>41002369
Is this a virus /fat/ties

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>>41003097
how bout this one tuff guy

>>41003037
Post nudes

>>41003004
3 lbs a week is a lot for a grill, you probably won't keep this up forever so don't be crushed if/when you go back down to 2 or 1.5 per week, but for now you're doing good

>>41002913
Stir fry guy

Nice to see you again. You'll be happy to know that I actually started making a vegetable stir fry when meal prepping now. Its nice to have some change in what I eat. And I actually have been losing more weight.

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>>41003118
>>41003068
This is why fathers are important.

Would, though.

>>41003026
>You're doing well, don't overthink it.

Thanks I will keep that in mind.

We should start injecting testosterone in female babies while in the womb, only way to save this planet .

Need to follow spotted hyena hierarchy

>>41002965
>losing fat isn't fucking rocket science
tell that to ray cronise , hue hue hue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNzZod_d18A

>>41003037
Its because the girls here are fat losers

>>41003001
lifting just prevents atrophy, so you aren't super weak when it's all said and done

>>41003129
Yeah I know it'll be hard to lose this much for a long time, I'm concerned about loose skin from losing weight too quickly

>>41003132

Awesome. The stir fries are definitely effective.

if you guys want snacks you should try dipping a bunch of cucumbers in balsamic vinaigrette dressing. shit's pretty tasty.

>>41003233
i dont like cucumbers but that sounds pretty tasty

>>41001212
You are actually the most malicious at this point, being so angsty while saying it.
>"You will not lose weight if you don't incorporate a fasting period and lay off the carbs."

Yes, yes you fucking will you inbred retard. You might not lose 100% of your potential weight loss, but if what you just said was true, then we wouldn't have a hunger problem in Africa, because we could just make them never fast and no one would ever lose any weight.

Good troll, got me going, I give you 7/10. Now get the fuck out.

>>41003118
How do I sign up for these rides

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What's for dinner, /fat/?

Just made this, very tasty, 600 calories.

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>wake up with extremely sore back
>didn't do anything to it except sleep wrong
>can't go jogging
>can't do hill sprints
>have to walk to get my cardio

what fresh hell is this

>>41003390
>white rice

Otherwise that looks good as fuck.

Will i lose progress if i get drunk on Jeger once a month?

>>41003435
>thinking there's any difference between white rice and other rice
>b...but muh 0.03 grams of fiber

>>41003432
Try lower back stretches before going to sleep.

>>41003432
do yoga till its better

>>41003435
brown rice is shit.

>>41000374
>got a job at bakery
>sure I'm gonna get fat munching on the occasional ruined cupcake
>just flat subtract 200-300 calories from my diet based on that
>weigh self yesterday feeling sure that wasn't enough and I've maybe gained weight
>lost 3 pounds

Fucking magic

>>41003250
You will lose the weight. Your calories required will go down because your calorie expenditure goes down. Let's take a look at The Biggest Loser competitor's shall we? They are the most well known participants in the "count calories and exercise more" diet after all.

I will be quoting from the Scientific American:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the-biggest-loser-metabolism-is-slower-and-weight-is-back-up/

The study looked at 14 contestants that had lost around 180lbs average.

>their metabolism had slowed and they were burning fewer calories every day than they did before their stint on the show.

Their metabolism was even lower than they first started. They were worse off.

>Six years later, when the six men and eight women went to the National Institutes of Health for follow-up measurements, their weight, on average, was back up to 290 pounds. Only one participant hadn't regained any weight.

This is a 93% failure rate of your beloved diet. Conclusion: BTFO.

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How do I cure diabetes /fit/? I got some blood tests done and my blood sugar was 250+ on two occasions even after a day of fasting. I've been on a very strict diet averaging between 1300-1700 calories a day, none of them coming from sugar or carbs. Virtually everything sugar I have eaten has come from carrots or broccoli. I've been at this for almost two weeks and I haven't noticed any ill effects aside from being a little tired.

Since I haven't slipped into a hypoglycemic coma, does that mean I might be able to become healthy again, or should I shoot myself in the head and get it over with?

>>41003506
keep losing weight

>>41003490
>this is a 93% failure rate of your beloved diet. Conclusion: BTFO.

Your IQ is really below 20. When you go on extreme diets you permanently damage your metabolism.

Please kill youself. Your mother will finally be proud of you.

>>41003488
The whole "stop eating desserts, sugar or chocolate" autism is just some idiot extremists hoping that will help.

You can lose weight and eat desserts at the same time

>>41003490
>the fasting autist is back

>>41003539
>the skinnyfat 3 meals a day 300g of carbs a day autist is back

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>>41003616
post your body, faggot.

>>41003635
*posts pic of Arnold swageneger*

What is the perfect, min-maxed diet

Tell me what to learn to cook god dammit, I don't care about variety

>>41003649
Bet you can look up meal plans online of some body builders cutting. Find your tdee and eat whatever your deficit is from that.

>>41003671
Do you not eat food then? Why can't you just share what you eat?

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>>41003635
post your body, faggot.

>>41003678
I don't have a meal plan you can just copy m8. I just make up things I find in the anabolic cookbook that look good and keep up my deficit.

>>41003649
Min-maxed regarding what variables? Promoting health? Gym performance? Cost? Enjoyment? Preparation time? To what degree is each variable valued?

>>41003713
maximum taste + fullness to minimum calories

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>>41003686
here's a year progress, down 100 lbs. Your turn.

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>>41003520
Coping intensifies. Its science, faggot. And your cognitive dissonance is showing. Where is your fucking argument.

>>41003539
Back and stronger than ever. Ketones from my fast are rejuvinating and empowering my mind. I couldn't feel better.

I'm usually a nice guy. I try to come about this science with a neutral standpoint because that is the best way to get through to people. But today I've been confronted with an exceptional amount of assholes, and I feel like returning the favor.

All yee that worship CICO, come forth and feel the wrath of Dr. Fung. Your efforts are futile as so to is your science. I am become fast bro, destroyer of plebs.

>>41003731
>Where is your fucking argument.
It's right there. You're a mouthing breathing nigger who can't read.

>>41003726
You could give birth with those hips

>>41003731
Keep shilling m8, nobody takes your fasting autism seriously here

>>41003754
Yeah it sucks. Big hips + store all my fat on them. Better then being a fat fuck, though. Just gotta get lean and buff. At least there are things to do about it.

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>>41003686
I posted mine, post your you fasting faggot.

>>41003725
I don't know what's best for that. I minimize cost and maximize nutrition while not caring much for taste and not at all for fillingness.

I can tell you that wanting to maximize taste is something that can change. It happened to me and I'm glad I can be satisfied with merely getting to eat and not really craving entertainment from my meals.

It's a variable that's really annoying to satisfy because the tastiest things are sweet, salty and fatty foods. Fiber is an impediment for delicousness and fiber is a major factor in fillingness. Low calorie-density dilutes taste. Not that low-calorie filling foods taste bad. There are good ones, I'm sure. But they won't be the tastiest things. And having to compromise taste feels the worst emotionally.

>>41003725
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pdoxe7yh3mchbhe/Anabolic_Cooking_Cookbook.pdf?dl=0

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>>41003726
Desperate.

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>>41003686
I got frogs for days, m8.

>>41003857
>cooking doesn't have to be boring, you don't have to just eat chicken breasts, baked potatoes and broccoli

Should I actually just eat chicken breasts, baked potatoes and broccoli for every meal just to keep things simple? I'm trying to stop eating fast food for every meal

>>41003915
Getting variety in protein sources in vegetable sources will close up holes in your amino acid profile and vitamins. It's a good place to start, though. Good stuff. Learn to cook some of the simple meals you can just freeze and microwave throughout the week.

>>41003915
sweet potatoes instead of regular

>>41003934
> Learn to cook some of the simple meals you can just freeze and microwave throughout the week.

What meals? Can you give specifics or links

>>41003490
I was mad because you made it sound like it's
>100% you will not lose any weight

Without any damn context, which what you're saying is in the long term due to the yo-yo effect.

And using the biggest loser example is a completely wrong approach.

You know why people get fat in most cases? Because of some sort of mental/habitatul issue, using food to cope. It was in my case, I used food to cope.

Even if I lost weight, I still used food to cope and I would gain it all back. That's the same for these people, they just forced them to lose the weight, without addressing their mental issue that drove them to get that fat in the first place. Obviously with it unchecked, they just ballooned right back into place.

To give an after example, I've been at the leanest point in my life, and even when I hit a bad patch and even if I have a cheat meal, my mental issue is gone and even if I gain a pound or 2, I go back to my lower weight without much effort.

So for fucks sake man, people have a problem with you because you sound exactly like a preacher at a church trying to shove god down my throat, the same 100% belief.

>>41003944
I like to make up the orange crusten chicken, put some brown rice with frozen vegitables with it. I also like the sweet potato pancake recipie for breakfest, the muscle cook chile, potato casserole, lasagna.

Just browse the cookbook. See what looks good to you, cook it. I'm not your mom.

>>41003971
Thanks for reminding me that I never had a mom, now I'll be fighting to not order a pizza for at least a few hours

>>41003985
There is a chicken pizza recipe that's pretty good, too. Try not to kill yourself.

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>>41003744
I am only here to help, I sell nothing. Too many fat people buy into the count calories meme, only to fail. Then once they fail you berate them for lacking willpower. Willpower had nothing to do with it.

Your problem is not calories, its insulin. Its a capitalist market that wants you sick and addicted to food so that they can sell you bad medicine and refined foods.

>>41004009
>I am only here to help, I sell nothing. Too many fat people buy into the count calories meme, only to fail. Then once they fail you berate them for lacking willpower. Willpower had nothing to do with it.
>Your problem is not calories, its insulin. Its a capitalist market that wants you sick and addicted to food so that they can sell you bad medicine and refined foods.

Then post your body.

>muh insulin

kill yourself while you're at it.

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>>41001269
Metabolism is always lowered in a continuous deficit

>>41003944
Lecso.

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>>41003726
Klinefelters

>>41003731
I think Jason Fung is next guy to get stuck in his unshakeable faith. Fung is so confident he's got it all figured out. He says super-contrarian things just be controversial and be attention-grabbing. He doesn't seem likely to consider that he could be overreaching with his conclusions.

Gary Taubes still believes that sugar is the one only cause of obesity. Brian Wansink hasn't changed his research practices. Amy Cuddy is still pushing power posing as a real effect. These are people who will never admit they're wrong and Jason Fung resembles them.

You should really step back and consider whether trusting anyone so deeply is worth the risk of getting caught up in their cult of faith.

>>41003531
nah I know that. It's just either all that sweet shit was actually around 200-300 calories (which I doubt) or I've burning the slight difference in this new job. Which I could believe more given all the running around and beating up dough I do.

>>41002226
Look into Halo top. Expensive, but worth it if you need ice cream with great macros.

>>41004009
Explain in your own words what insulin even does.

>>41004026
I will in good time. I have 8lbs to lose and a tan to gain. I want my before and after pictures to be as contrasting as possible.

>>41004028
Not on a fast it isn't. You burn body fat. Your body also metabolizes dead cells in your body. This process is called autophagy. It cures the skin sagging problem, as you fast, your body will metabolize the loose skin and you will be tight as a spandex.

>>41004053
I have poured over almost every available video of Jason Fung on youtube. At LEAST 20 hours of content. I've watched his 6 part series, 7 hours long, on the aetiology of obesity. I've read several of his scientific articles, backed with studies, on his website.

I have not seen one red-flag. He never plugs his book, its plugged for him, and makes him uncomfortable. He owns his own hospital and answers to no-one but himself. His methods require no medicine. As much as I respect the guy, however, that is not the main issue here. The issue is that it is good science that is curing diabetes (type 2). Its holistic medicine, its getting back to nature. Its something to believe in. Its not a get rich quick scheme, the fasting takes incredible will-power. But when you research it, and you know what is at stake, it makes fasting a breeze.

>>41004053
This is how I feel. Fung is the next Taubes.

He is YouTube and Twitter sellable. The autists on here will spam his YouTube videos while it's trendy and then years later it will be remembered as the Fung meme diet. Just like metabolic advantage of Atkins, etc.

It was all down to CICO and these diets facilitate a method for people to achieve it. Also the best way of selling a product in health & fitness industry is to make a simple idea more complicated.

>>41004145
>I will in good time. I have 8lbs to lose and a tan to gain. I want my before and after pictures to be as contrasting as possible.
Post it now.

Or are you saying you don't know shit?

>>41004122
Every time you eat the body releases insulin. Insulin is the hormone responsible for fat storage. The problem occurs when you have too much insulin and develop an insulin resistance.

"Too much insulin" can result from eating throughout the day and not incorporating a fasting period. When you eat small meals throughout the day you are not doing your body good, you are bathing in insulin and increasing your insulin resistance.

As your insulin resistance increases you will need more food to create more insulin. You will crave foods that are heavily insulinogenic. I.e. carbohydrates such as sugars, breads, cereals, etc. These foods in turn increase your insulin and increase your insulin resistance. Next thing you know you're 300lbs craving cupcakes all day and you're a diabetic.

>>41004145
>Not on a fast it isn't

Stop posting

>>41004158
Let the science speak for itself. Who I am is not important. I am a vessel.

Nevertheless, you will think of me as a fat neckbeard until I post it. So be it. But I will do so on my own terms.

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>>41004145
You see guys, I know more then all of you. Because I listen to one chink who goes against the scientific consensus in the dieting field and I watched all his videos.

What? No i havn't taken one biology course, I'm still 17, after all. What? Of course I havn't actually lost any weight, dr. chink hasn't either and he's an expert!

I'm really smart and better then all of you. Better listen to my shitty advice.

>>41004215
So you havn't done shit.
Dr.retard hasn't done shit
"science"
Listen to me


Kill yourself. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

>>41004258
cringe

>>41004244
>Of course I havn't actually lost any weight, dr. chink hasn't either and he's an expert!

Like paleotards back in the day shilling Robb Wolf.
>if Paleo is so great why is Robb Wolf's wife fat?
>b-but the cavemen did CrossFit and ate sweet potatoes

>>41004244
I've taken medical terminology, body systems and diseases, and anatomy and physiology one and two. I have a general understanding of human physiology. That is the foundation for me to understand what I research. Dr. Fung is far from being my only source of information, but admittedly he is a huge inspiration.

Calories in calories out doesn't work if you do it wrong. It never has and it never will. It makes you miserable and you rebound. People keep trying though, trying and trying.

CICO only works when you consider insulin. It only works if you stay away from carbs and you eat fats and proteins. Whole grains can be fine but they are not essential and you are playing with fire. Because whole grains are the ugly cousin to refined grains, which are literally aids. You also would do well to incorporate a fasting period for your insulin levels to diminish and your insulin sensitivity to readjust to healthy levels.

So count calories, but you have to eat right. And eating right means eating the right foods at the right time.

>>41004145
>I've read several of his scientific articles, backed with studies, on his website.
>The issue is that it is good science that is curing diabetes
Cuddy and Wansink had papers too. Peer-reviewed articles that turned out to be seriously flawed. Medicine and nutrition are among the fields that are most prone to having published peer-reviewed highly-cited articles with positive findings that are utter dog crap. Have you heard of the crisis in science? Ionnaidis' paper Why Most Published Research Findings Are False? This stuff might be right. But skepticism is needed.

>I have not seen one red-flag
The red flags are hard to spot in the science itself. I believed the power posing shit when I first heard of it. Wansink has been publishing papers for over 20 years and it appears likely that it's mostly the same kind of crap as his recent papers that were discovered to contain 150 errors. Like every table had incorrect numbers.

It's the apparent strength of the theory that's the red flag. It's suspicious. Extremely few things are that certain. Especially new theories. Between "the theory is true" and "there's errors in the logic" the latter hypothesis is more likely simply based on how much confidence people have in this theory.

>Its holistic medicine, its getting back to nature. Its something to believe in. Its not a get rich quick scheme
These aren't good signs. Scientists aren't evil. They have incentives beyond money and fame to believe in stuff. Finding out the truth of reality is an intoxicating concept. You want to believe you've got it right. Believing is a positive feeling. Getting into a spiral of positive feelings from seeing things as supporting the belief further makes you seek such evidence and believe even harder.

>I have poured over almost every available video of Jason Fung on youtube. At LEAST 20 hours of content. I've watched his 6 part series, 7 hours long, on the aetiology of obesity.
You're going down the same happy spiral along with him.

>>41004356
>Calories in calories out doesn't work if you do it wrong. It never has and it never will. It makes you miserable and you rebound. People keep trying though, trying and trying.

This is why we can tell you've never lost weight. And are new to the scene.

Yeah insulin can be important. Esp. for skinnier guys losing stubborn fat. It's not important in the lest for fatasses losing 100+ lbs. You're overestimating it's importance, while discounting other hormonal issues that happen with prolong weight loss.

You wanna know why people gain back their weight? It's because they never solved the issue about why they got fat in the first place.

They are losers. It doesn't matter if you fast, or not. You'll lose the same amount regardless. The difference is by not fasting you supply your muscles with a steady stream of AA. If you fast while dieting you run the big risk of excessive muscle loss.

We want to look good, not just cut down. Lift, faggot.

>>41004404
Well its working wonders for me and a lot of other people on this board, so I'm not going to stop anytime soon. I have absolutely no reason to believe that he is wrong in his science. I have not paid a nickel for any of his content, in fact I have saved money not eating.

Yes there are bad studies, this is true. They are everywhere. But that natural attribute is applied to both sides. The studies backed by money, however, are problematic because that indicates bias. They are more prone to publish the studies that help them and hide the ones that don't, simply because, well, money.

Fung isn't marketing. He has a book, that's it. He doesn't sell you medicine, foods, anything. In fact his instructions save you money. This tells me that he's just a cool dude trying to help people.

>>41004489
This is a thread for fats. Their main priority is losing weight. But concerning dieting and muscle mass; on a fast your body releases HGH to maintain muscle mass and bone density. Do you get HGH on a cut? No.

Fasting is simulated starvation. Think back to caveman days. You haven't found any food in a while. Your body pumps you up and gets you amped to go get a meal. If your body went into the mythical "starvation mode" and ate your muscle and shut down your brain and metabolism you would die, right there on the spot.

The body is smarter than that. Read this. Its about fasting and muscle mass.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

Weight in at 162lb this morning.

>but I've developed a sore throat and dry nose after having my nose running with mucus all day yesterday

Feel like shit.

>>41004535
Yeah, starving your muscles of it's necessary food while consuming 0 calories yourself is great for your muscle mass. I don't even eat protein anymore, just stave myself! I'm so buff!

I didn't say "starvation mode". You need a constant supply of AA because we use a constant supply of AA. If we don't have the necessary AAs our body will harvest them from unnecessary muscle.

>Your body pumps you up and gets you amped to go get a meal.
What the fuck does that even mean?

What are some kino foods?

>>41004577
What are AA's. Should I know this. I feel like I'm in a Gary Johnson "what is Aleppo" situation. Anabolic Androgenic steroids? I literally know nothing about this and would have to research them.

>What the fuck does that even mean?
It means, in an evolutionary sense, you want your body to give you the energy to go hunt, you don't want it to shut you down. That's suicide. When you are starving your body gears up, it digs into your fat storage and you go beast mode. I just hit my 4 day (96 hour) mark on my fast as the clock hits 8pm eastern. I couldn't feel better. I'm exercising daily and I'm pretty sure I'm gaining strength. Sure I get hunger pangs, but they faded drastically yesterday and are even less so today. My body is fine with eating the stored fat, that's what its there for.

>>41004676
On top of the exercise I was also helping my father renovate his new house today. We planted for trees and I raked the entire yard. 3 hours of sun, which I loved, and hard work. I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight, and I've hardly thought about eating.

>>41004676

>What are AA's

Not op but pretty sure it's Amino Acids

>>41004676
Amino acids.

hey /fat/ my dad has terminal cancer and will probably die before the end of the summer. i don't wanna talk about this with my irl friends so i cam here because you guys have been so supportive these past few months. thanks /fat/

>>41003726
great job, but fuck man, you need to grow some damn hair. take some biotin and do nofap or something.

>>41004750
;_;

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>>41004750
The universe is so cruel sometimes. I'm sorry for your loss anon.

>>41004676
Anyways I appreciate the bantz, I'm off to bed. Sorry for being a cunt. Had a super long day. Take care faggots, and even if I'm wrong about CICO we're all going to make it.

Love and peace.

>>41004676
Look man. There is a middle ground of fasting and eating to maintain a steady supply of AAs. It's called IF. It's been around forever. It's more bodybuilder focused then your extreme version. It consists of eating a big rich protein meal before with some complex carbohydrates mixed in to slow down the digestion before the fasting periods. And supplementing pure BCAAs into your diet during those periods. They won't raise your insulin enough for any response + your muscles are kept fed for most of the fasting period.

It's a technique, usually to target stubborn fat and for very lean dudes, not the only way to lose and keep off weight. You're being very extreme in your view.

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>>41004750

>>41004750
Sorry anon. Keep strong man.

>>41002803
Fuck man, just throw some shoes on and go for a walk.

>>41004754
>you need to grow some damn hair.
My hair is on my head and my balls where it belongs.

>>41002913
Haha 600 grams of chicken?

>>41004825
>Not having a hairy asshole

>>41004808
OK, I stayed to read this.

Yeah IF is awesome, I was doing it before my extended fast. Extended fasting is more about reseting your digestive hormones and allowing you to crave healthier foods without being hungry all the time. Its also incredibly good for cleansing the body, breaking down old and damaged cells and rebuilding new ones, like renovating. I don't recommend extended fasts for people who are lean because you are at higher risk of losing muscle mass because of the fat/muscle ratio. I have to reiterate that HGH is released at about 20-24 hours on a fast, IF users can abuse this by working out at that mark and then eating right after. Extended fasters benefit from the maintenance of muscle mass and bone density. But this is more acclimated for losing weight as that is what I'm after, until I shed this last bit and start bulking.

Anyways yeah, last post.
>>41004799

>>41004842
>not having hairy intestines

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how ya doing fatties? given up dairy, potato chips and bacon yet?

>>41004851
I've read success of people who fast for one day, eat 2x for the next with some positive body fat results. My issue with your post is you assume your way is the only way. And counting calories is strictly wrong. It's not, not in the lest. Conflating failed dieters with the failed concept. It's intellectually dishonest. There are lots of specialized techniques out there, at the end of the day though, calories remain supreme.

I have a lot of spinach, what can i make with it? I need to get rid of it instead of throwing it out.

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>>41004825
>no hairy legs
And you call yourself a man

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>>41003435
could be at least 3/4 meal white rice if losing weight was the main purpose

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>>41004893
>not shaving you legs
>not wearing a dress
>not pretending to be a woman

>>41004891
Alright dude we'll agree to disagree for now. I'm trying to be humble, I was definitely being a cunt earlier and that doesn't help anybody. I got triggered by a couple shitposters with no arguments, you however I had a great discussion with and I appreciate it.

Last post. I swear to god.

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>>41004891
>I've read success of people who fast for one day, eat 2x for the next with some positive body fat results

oh god

>>41004882
>given up dairy

sorry I actually want some muscle when I get out of this

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>>41004959
You can get protein from other sources you know.

>Eat only two sausage and egg McMuffins every day.
>lose 11 pounds

Should be down to 200 tomorrow, too.

>>41002436
I was in the same situation as you.

For the love of God, cut.

>>41004944
The eat-sto-eat book. Had it's own following and was discussed by lyle at some point.
http://www.leangains.com/2008/06/brief-primer-on-popular-approaches-to.html

Don't know much about it, onyl that some good results were made.

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>>41004959
>sorry I actually want some muscle when I get out of this

you people are hopeless. nothing to do with your "muscless" but probably keeps you overwieght the rest of your short life

>>41004959
Dairy doesn't provide as much protein as you'd think..
I only drink 1 cup of milk or juice a day now though. Never chug anything that isn't water if you want to cut calories

>>41004999
>Never chug anything that isn't water if you want to cut calories
What's wrong with tea and coffee?

>1 scoop of protein powder
>150calories and 35g protein

>250ml milk is 130 calories and 9g protein

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How did I do?

>>41005009
Diluted water :^)

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>>41005017
150kcal

>>41005024
myron

>>41005024
That's a 25 gram meal? Chow mein is fried you know

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>>41004971
>>41004999
Yeah find me something with a better protein to calorie ratio that's not tuna or chicken.

>>41005024
No way that's 150 unless it's very little.

>>41005054
The fuck is tvarog

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>>41005044
200kcal. pick your fight

>>41004882
>>41004971
>>41004994
>>41004999
Unless you're non-white, there's no reason you shouldn't be drinking a shit ton of milk. Don't listen to manlet advice.

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>>41005077
>Unless you're non-white, there's no reason you shouldn't be drinking a shit ton of milk

holy moly, you people are really in a worse situation with your beliefs i even thought was possible

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>>41005068
It's what cottage cheese wishes it could be.

>>41005098
Lad, I've already lost over 45lb. I have gained muscle mass in that time and still lost all of that weight. If you want to be skinnyfat, so be it, but don't try and delude these anons here.

>>41005077
Milk is like 1/4 sugar.

>>41005116
I have my doubts bu good luck. Let see where you will stand 12 months from now

>>41004974
that's how calories work
you can lose weight eating nothing but cake and pizza

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>>41005098
>your beliefs
>what is lactose intolerance
it's like you think there isn't diversity

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200kcal

>>41005230
Seafood is dogshit-tier

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200-250kcal. up your carbs fatties. lessen the fat that made you fat in the first place.

>>41005235
You have to be 18 years or older to post on this site

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>>41005235
oh yea sure it is... your diet is fantastic. keep it up you're doing great

>>41005246
Yeah, no, I'm 23 and seafood apart from salmon and breaded shrimp tastes like hot garbage.

>>41004835

Why not homie? 600 grams of boneless skinless chicken breast is like 660 calories or something like that. Seriously, shit's glorious.

>>41001212
Retard spotted

>>41005074
this image isn't 200kcal what bullshit

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>>41004882
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>>41005254
>avatarfagging

What are some low cal fast food options anons?

>>41005287
Chicken wrap is GOAT if you're at Mcdolans

>>41005272
lol

>>41005272
>invading Syria

>>41005077
I'm lactose intolerant, milk can be liquid calories if you're not careful. I have a cup of coconut milk (unsweetened plain) once in awhile and it's still kinda high in fat and calories so I try to reserve it for mixing my protein with (which obviously I can't use a whey based one). I will say this coconut milk and protein plain together tastes way better than normal milk ever did with protein when I was able to drink it. Creamier not gritty and disgusting.


But plant based protein powders seem to taste better in general.

Who was >>41000000

>>41005257
You sound like a child. Either that or you live in the Midwest and think a filet o fish or red lobster is the epitome of fast food (I.e. shitty source of fish shitty restaurant to get fish)

Should I pick the sendentary activity level on the tdee calculator, eat my maintenance calorie, and create my deficit through exercise? Or should I still subtract 500 cals off my maintenance cals and and exercise? Because I'm not necessarily "sedentary." I'm a full time student, I lift 3 times a week and do some moderate cardio for about 3 times a week for 20 minutes at a time. I weigh 177 @ ~16-18% bf. I cut down from 195 but my weight loss has stalled and I have been feeling weaker. Pls help.

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>>41005339
>Either that or you live in the Midwest and think a filet o fish or red lobster is the epitome of fast food
How did you know?

>>41000374
Fat fuck here.
Is it weird to go to the gym with no spotter? Will people be concerned if they see me benching or squatting with no spotter?

>>41005268
thah fish and bowl of rice is

>>41005433
Nah you'll be fine. Depending on the situation you can add guard rails, or just get good at failing. Most people lift solo, sometime you'll be asked to spot, you can ask others to spot you. it's common in big gyms.

>>41005436
149g of white rice = 250 calories.
Source: my food scale and nutrition sites all over the net.

Watch your rice intake, gents.

just ate half a pizza
god dive me strenght to ride my bicycle for 2 hours tomorrow

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>>41005351
Somebody pls help

>>41005351
There's some to compact:

First those calculators are only estimates. Going off your own data will give you a clearer picture.

Second: as you're losing weight your tdee
drops, because your metabolism slows a bit and you have less fat to maintain

third, make sure you're getting good nutrition, and eating your protein. Vary up your sources of produce as well as the meats.

Sometimes you can "stall" but not really stall. Water weight can play tricks on you.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html/

You also should "reset" your metabolism and hormones with a diet break after a couple months of cutting.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html/

It's a complex issue that requires a lot more soul searching on your part to diagnose.

>>41005604
just imagine you ride the bike instead

>>41001595
Added you, but since I can't even check your diary for food ideas, I dropped - don't know what other point of MFP might be there.

>>41005433
I'm also curious about this desu. I work with a trainer at the moment but I keep wondering how I'll do things like squats and bench press without someone there to spot me in case something goes wrong.

You can always ask someone to spot you that you're working in with I guess?

>>41005691
It'll show you others activities they put in and it's just about cheering one another on to keep going.

>>41004645
crab legs

>>41005855
What the fuck is "working in"?

>>41005918
You're on a station, gym's packed. someone asks to "work in" during your rest periods.

>>41005943
Aw fuck, man. You mean people won't just leave me alone if I have headphones on?

>>41005952
If there are no free stations, and you're in the middle of your sets. Yeah.

>>41004009
So I can go down to DQ for giant milkshakes, chicken tendies, onion rings all I want as long as it's in between my two days of fasting and I'm gonna lose weight? Ty friendo

Should I do 5x5 or Starting Strength? I have no experience.

Are squats and DLs safe to do on my first day if I've never done them before and I'm only trying to copy the form of youtube demonstrations?

>>41005292
it's mediocre at best

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>>41005987
Just pick one. Lots of good beginner programs. You'll be fine with squats and DL. Just start with the bar and keep adding weight.

anyone have experience with going back on carbs after being on keto? how much weight do you gain back when you are out of ketosis?

I have a few questions
So far I'm doing good and making good progress with CICO and lots of small meals, minimal hunger, regular exercise -2lbs a week

But someone mentioned lots of small meals will increase my insulin and make me crave more sweets? Right now I don't crave any sweets but I have whole grain and vegetables as carbs.

Also will I lose fat more if I eat more fat? When I was looking into keto, they said the lack of sugars in the bloodstream will mobilize fat cells. Also is more fats good for brain health? But I also heard glucose is the main source of fuel for the brain. I don't want to cause any damage to brain by eating too little.

Finally, fasting seems like a good meme but I tried it once and I was ravenously hungry and instantly gained all my progress back when it was over. Also I was super weak and foggy. Wth? I heard fasting will make you hungrier because the body increases grehlin. I also heard this is true for extended dieting. Is this why I should have a carb refeed/ cheat day or is that just a meme and I can diet indefinitely on low cal?

Sorry for long post appreciate your input.

>>41006128
Intermittent fasting is a god send. You body adapts to your eating habits. I eat between 12pm-8pm and I am a lot less hungry when I don't have breakfast compared to when I eat breakfast.

I'd recommend giving it a solid week and seeing how you feel after said week.

I did keto before, lost a bunch of weight on it but it's not sustainable long term at all imo, I plan to do IF for life.

Is there something wrong if I do cardio at 5:30 am to 6:00 am and then when I finish lifting in the gym at 2:00 pm go for another half hour of cardio? I just have nothing to do in the morning.

>>41005918
Isn't that what's it's called where you alternate with another person between sets?

>>41006295
My trainer has me cool down with some cardio. She has me aim for calries burned rather than time since everyone burns at different rates but usually I come in early so I can warm up for 30-40 minutes, which usually burns 250-350 depending on how hard I push it, if I raise the incline and resistance etc (I get sick easily so some days I have to take it easy or I won't get through my lifts). Then she usually has me burn 50-150 more calories depending on how much I did before the workout but she always has me do a little bit just to cool down.

I wouldn't go hard as fuck on the cool down cardio unless you're pumped but you have to be doing hours of cardio for it to affect your gains.

But Jesus that's a long time to be at the gym. Then again fitness instructors and shit are at the gym all day being active and they look great (I worked at the YMCA once so I saw a lot of the classes that went on and shit. Saddest day was when one of the instructors found out that despite working out multiple times a day and eating a healthy diet she had diabetes. She just had to adjust more carbs and sugars out of her diet but it was still devastating to hear and still a difficult adaption.)

I'm stoned and rambling sorry getting ready to go to the gym myself. Idk if it's true but my husband said smoking weed before you work out will keep acid from building up in your muscles so they won't hurt as much. Seems to be true since I have decently manageable pain even though I work with a trainer who doesn't let me take it easy and I'm usually semi high when I go in. Helps my stamina with cardio at any rate and I know it can promote weight loss if you exercise under the effects (it raises your heart rate and metabolism)

>>41005235
This desu. I can't stand seafood.

so, SS has chinups listed, i cant even do a fucking pushup, and they want me to do a chinup? how?

>>41006801
I'm also interested in finding this info out.

>>41006801
Watch Scooby's guide to pull-ups/chin-ups

>>41006801
how fat r u m8

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>>41007402
New

>>41006592
Ahh women... It's like the blind leading the deaf

>>41004750
Lost my dad around this time last year. I know how it feels. Good luck anon, I wish you the best.