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Should waifu posting be brought back to prevent dead thread?
not husbando posting
are you gay or something anon?
it might be over done and run of the mill but shit man
Is it possible that heavy deadlifts could make me a little less mobile.
Normally when I am in a starting position for the snatch/c&j, my nack has the same natural curve it would have when I stand up straight, just a little tighter (like in a squat).
This time, my lower back felt blasted, and I just couldn't get in the position I usually do. I guess that is a mental barrier moreso than a physical one, but it felt like I was trying to compress bricks.
Is there any specific work to do for that sort of temporary loss of mobility? Is that when rolling out is helpful?
I hear a lot of people saying not to roll your lower back. Idk as far as rolling goes if it feels good then go for it has always been my motto, just google it first or something.
If anything needs to be mobilised after heavy deads it's your hips most likely. To mobilise hips I start with just a band tied around my foot, with the other end tied to something solid, and let the band just pull my leg straight out. Then lots of active stretching before doing the lift, plus a bit of rolling problem areas. Afterwards I like to pancake stretch for a bit, death stretch feels great, roll am static stretch my glutes and hams, piriformis, it band, pigeon pose, reclining hero pose, and also low lunge with my front foot out in front as far as possible
Lydia is overrated but I will post this to prevent thread from being kill
/owg/ needs a revival
if only i didnt have terrible form maybe i could lift some weights
I'm trying to fix my squat
also i hate having spotters but that gym makes me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's a high school gym so their policies are retarded
Yeah doesnt really mean anything. Like being the smartest retard
it's getting harder and harder to tell when you guys are rusing me
Olympic lifting question:
I'm going into college this fall, and I've been lifting for awhile, but I've never done any olympic.
Are there any college teams or clubs that I would be able to learn and compete in the sport?
pls dont slow your vid down
You've got a short torso laddie
you dont fully extend onto toes or pull the bar into neck/use elbows
You bend your arms quite a bit
Your starting pos is pretty good. It looks a little awkward. I think maybe you should start with your feet a little closer which might help you extend fully. Also in start pos point your elbows behind you. Not really a requirement but i'd recommend it.
You dont really stay over the bar long enough but it might be caused by other issues
this thread is ded so this might be the only advice you get :^(
Preview it, if it's flipped then flip it you mong, and fix the damn aspect ratio too
First time I've seen your feet I think
You are likely losing tightness during the clean, your issues are not just at the start
Fucking flip them, and film in landscape
I guess you get to find out lad
Lots of early arm bend, big jump back, and not staying over the bar long enough before extension, incomplete extension, no pull under. These are the problems I see.
Work on your mobility for a few months
legs are kind of tired and it was cold but i blame my wrist
There's some fucked up shit going on here dude... Can you do a jumping jack?
my left shoulders been hurting the past few days. does this look any better?
Hey, /owg/, I contracted food poisoning last night and I am only just now feeling like I won't shit or vomit if I move. I've had nothing to eat today other than a handful of saltines and a quarter of a banana which I hadn't even finished swallowing before I was puking it back up. My question is: do I max my front squat tonight as planned, or should I stick to a lower percentage for a bit of volume work?
Guys. I'm really depressed and sad and don't know what to do.
I've had patella tendonitis and a sharp pain in my right quad whenver I go past parallel with any amount of weight. Basically means I can't do anything. I've tried to let it heal but it won't heal.
It appears I will have to stop lifting entirely for 1-2 months.
Is that what I have to do?
red pill me on knee injuries /owg/
I don't want to risk doing pulls or literally anything that does legs at all, or this shit won't heal..
I've just been doing pause squats 5x1 for literally a month now just because i cant do anything more.
pulls dont hurt like squats or front squats do... but should I really risk it?
Not really, no, you still have the same problems with your second pull, still have a nonexistent third pull, and still need to work on your mobility. Surely you see this?
You aren't hitting the right positions on the way up, and you aren't fully extending. Work on these plus your mobility.
OWF PLZ Fix me. I can't ever pull myself under the barbell in cleans OR snatches - it's always basically a power that I ride down. How do I fix this. I have good strength but I don't have the technique yet for these lifts. Tall cleans and tall snatches don't seem to be doing enough and actually improve my abilities
>no he dont
yes he do
he loses a crazy amount of power jumping like that. he probably use more energy jumping than lifting the bar. look at where his feet are when he lands, they are 6 inches wider than his shoulder on each side. a lot of beginner do that when they first start snatches. he's jumping and stomping his feet. any coach would correct this immediately. its taking away power from his second pull and causing him to land in a ridiculously wide stance.
So again, is this program good for beginner or too much workouts per week?
Hyperextensions, 3x10, careful with weight (don't use too much I guess)
Muscle sn + btn sn press + ohs 2+2+2 / 3 sets going up in weight
Deficit snatch deadlift + deficit snatch, with straps 2+1 / 3 sets going up in weight
Deficit snatch deadlift 3 reps / 3 sets going up in weight
"Trapi" which are his swinging upright rows with snatch grip, 5x5 same weight
Snatch grip behind neck press 3 reps / 3 sets going up in weight
Hyperextensions, 3x10, same weight
No hook snatch 2 reps, "as heavy as needed"
no hook snatch deadlift 2 reps, "as heavy as safe"
hook grip snatch deadlift 2 reps, as above, heavier
strapped snatch deadlift 2 reps, as above, heavier
Trapi 5x5, as above
slow descent and long pause Back squat + front squat with the same weight as one set, 1+1 3-5 sets going up in weight
Barbell squat jumps, 3-5 sets of 10 reps, careful with weight
Clean + front squat + push press + pause jerk, 1+1+1+1, 3 sets, going up in weight
Clean grip deadlift + shrug extension, 3+3, 3 sets going up in weight, with straps, going up in weight
Press from rack 3 reps, 3 sets, "with care" heavier lifts
Hyperextensions 5x10, careful with weight
Pause Snatch at knee with straps, 1 rep, 3-5 sets going up in weight
Snatch deadlift + snatch stiff leg deadlift + snatch deadlift + snatch stiff leg deadlift 1+1+1+1, 3 sets going up in weight
Snatch grip BTN push press + OHS 2+2 / 3 sets going up in weight
Sots press 3 reps, 5-6 sets with same weight
Power clean + push press 1+2, 3 sets going up in weight
Clean grip deadlift, 3 reps "all the weights" (literally, lol), so I assume that is some sort of daily max, then one set of 10 reps
Back squat, 2 reps "all the weights", then one set of 10 reps
Barbell squat jumps, 5x10, steady weight
he's copying torokhtiy videos
but those are pretty much the same workouts they did when he did the training camp in russia
most of those exercises you don't do weights like hyperextensions if you're a beginner just a bar would be enough if you want to finish the rest of the exercises, and the squat jumps he specifically said in some videos that just the bar is enough what's important is speed and try to get as much height per rep
i'd do his programming if i didn't have a coach, actually i'm planning on quitting this club i'm on once my year is up and start lifting on my own again and follow something similar to that
45 minutes before bed of
>quad / hip flexor stretching by death stretch against wall
>groin & hip flexor by on one knee, sink hips in stretch
>glutes by external rotation on floor then slowly lowering chest to knee, adjusting more external rotation and sinking hips / back leg in
can some one just fucking shoot me instead?
god fucking damnit i seriously hate stretching more than anything, its like pulling fucking teeth. its really a cock to the face that its so important to do WL. i wish it was easier / faster or that i just didnt want to do WL so bad lel.
either way, quads and hip flrexors feel super funny right now. fuck stretching lol
Do you guys actually not enjoy stretching? I consume some nests like a chapter of an audiobook, or an episode of something and stretch. It's my me time reach evening.
>tfw should probably stretch every morning too
it's 5 days a week and most of the exercise you can't actually do with weights that are too heavy
there's 2 dedicated squat days in that program 3 if you count the clean complex with front squat on it, it's not heavy most of them are complexes to build volume and technique like the typical russian program
i feel like you didn't actually read the program just saw the massive wall of text and decided it's bad
My issue with this and also with meme lifter torokhtiys program is that there's so little of the actual classics, and the variations are selected not for each athlete individually, but for everyone.
You'll get better results with a coach, following his personalised program, but otherwise, and apart from my criticism above it is perfectly serviceable.
But that said, the second week will likely be different.
Meme lifter Torokhtiy program has an excel spreadsheet to give you what weight to lift each time. And you get all twelve weeks instead of waiting for each to come out. If you so desperately want to follow a Russian program just use the more complete one for now.
The issue here is you're just nitpicking this program that's completely fine for a beginner
I bet if this guy came in asking for a program to follow you'd happily point him to catalyst which isn't personalized either but because everyone thinks it's decent you think it's good as well
Try to form your own opinions and not just parrot what everyone else is saying here
>tfw friends rather listen to supplement pushing roided brosplitters than me
I'm afraid that Lu won't get Gold this year, fuck, he was such a motivation for me, then he didn't c&j last year and dropped out. Do you guys know why he couldn't do it? Was it a bad day?
>he's copying torokhtiy videos
Didn't know about it. Your thoughts on Klokov program vs Torokhtiy program?
I have a coach, but he trains me only once a week. We usually work on technique with light weights.
I don't like Russians and other cunts who can only step up when Chinese lifters are out of the game, fucking betas is all what they are, they only get a shot at the medals when China is out of the game.
>you'll get better results with a coach, following his personalised program, but otherwise... it's perfectly serviceable
>you're just nitpicking >:(
I dunno man, maybe I'd tell him to do torokhtiy program, which is what I actually did recommend
Try to form your own opinions and not just decide to ignore reading the posts you reply to
Russia beat China at worlds before the drug tests and we all know the Chinese are on them anyway...
Russian population 150 million
China 1.4 billion
The Soviet Union would absolutely demolish China if it still existed... So..... ya there's that
So i want to get into oly lifting. Not because i want to be 100% serious about it and compete, but its a fun way to lift and feels way more like a sport.
Probelm is, there's no oly coaches around where i lift. There are some beginner courses, but they are expensive af and include a lot other stuff 2 (like squats, front squats etc.), the time that i would be spending around learning the actual lifts is not that great, and i'm not sure if they are that certified.
I already have a good flexibility and i still do lots of mobility work, so the question is, will i just fuck my shit up if i try to learn the lifts on my own? How far can you get with vids, books, recording your every set and starting slowly, doing lots of technique drills etc.
Has anyone here learned them on their own?
its a rough position
you'll probably find it really frustrating to learn since they are very technical lifts and you won't even know what you're going for
its not impossible but it might take a while
if you're just doing it for fun its not that bad
i don't know
go for it i guess
i think i fucked somthing up.
yesterday i was squatting and something in my groin snapped, now i feel a little lump there and it hurts when i touch it. the entire zone feels kinda numb when i dont touch it or when i sit, like it's sedated.
what the fuck did i just snapped?
Is there a better feeling than hitting really good maxes?
Hit new maxes yesterday and It was such a rush, never expected this when I started
FUCK no. time consuming, generally tedious and requires alot of concentration (for me, at least for now - maybe i'll get better at it later) on breathing and getting into the right positions, and it can be painful and just generally unenjoyable at best.
if i only had to stretch intensly for like, 1 month it wouldn't be so bad, but the fact that its a lifestyle change pisses me off. its like, i already dedicate all this time in the gym, and all this time doing my food, how much more fucking time do i have to dedicate to this shit...
but I can't complain too much, as this is the life i chose ( ._.)
Problem with starting this sport late lad. Same with gymnastics. Those guys at the top of the game never got un-flexible. It's the reason why alot of masters lifters (especislly those that started at master ages) only power or do slit variations... It's the concession to being mega inflexible without having all the time to dedicate to fixing it.
>It's the reason why alot of masters lifters (especislly those that started at master ages) only power or do slit variations...
this is going to be me, even if i ever take it serious enough to do a comp
man fuck that bullshit, 2 yeard ago i couldnt even reach parallel with oly shoes, now i dont only go atg with an almost vertical back but i'm, very close to the front and side splits.
you just have to be consistent
Nothing. But you should still be trying to improve where you catch. Some people will never have a truly deep catch, but you should always try to improve your positions, and improve your speed to those positions. Problem is with resigning to power snatching is alot of people don't even try to improve things like pull under which you still need
of course. My goal right now (i think correctly placed) is to get my hang snatch second pull and the position my arms recieve in to be consistent. once those are consistent i can start getting under it / 3rd pull.
sound right? or am i missing something important?
Your question reminded me that I had a blister on my thumb, so I went to check it and found it had been completely reabsorbed. I didn't knew that was possible.
Anyway, don't use so much that you lose flexibility. I like to take a length about 6 inches, rip it in half, and use one half for each thumb.
Yeah I'd say so. Pick what you feel needs work and cue that and don't over fry your brain.
I'm not a good lifter by any stretch so feel free to disregard but my best recent lifting has been when I just relax a bit and only think about one thing 'drive with legs' 'pull under' etc rather than worry about everything. That can come after
Good goal imo, you're not going to go from complete beginner to perfect technique without addressing specific issues along the way. I'm currently working on fully extending and getting under faster.
What's the rest of /owg/ trying to do better?
Is my squat okay?
Also I have a slightly wider highbar stance than normal, is this ok or will it fuck me up in the long-run?
(pls forgive DYEL-ness)
forgot the jared
I've been doing squats every single day for the past month(took 2 days off) in preparation for starting Olylifts.
I've noticed my legs don't get tired like any other muscle in my body and even if they feel tight I can still complete my squats for the day without any pain. Is this normal?
knees are clearly not tracking in line with toes. is this bad?
I did my first weightlifting workout in like a month today. went pretty good!
So i never thoguht of this until JUST now, but I have one arm that won't extend fully.
its extremely subtle (you won't notice it unless I point it out).
I don't think its causing me any issues but is this something I should be concerned about?
Also seriously fuck stretching. fuck fuck fuck fuck i hate it.
On the routine I'm doing, it says something like
snatch (65%x2, 70%x2, 80%x1) x 2
Does this mean that I work up to 80% then drop down to 65% and repeat?
Also I was doing box jumps to my belly button today and it was hard. I used to be able to do box jumps that were at nipple height for 3 :(
no only if you compete would a slight press out matter, if you just do it for fun it doesnt matter
even people with extremely crooked elbows can lock them out as much as they can and it would still count as long as they keep the same bend throughout the lift, press outs happens mostly due to technique error so don't go blaming your elbows for shit technique in the future
Yeah, they're called wave sets.
I find my form deteriorates a bit when I return to the lower weight. Nothing crazy, I just overestimate the effort required. So watch out for that, I guess.
I would probably be tempted to just do all the sets at 65, then all the ones at 70, etc.
I had to do 10/8/6 x 2 ramping up weight last time for 'conditioning' and nearly blew chunks on the second to last set, just gave up
Good alternative for heavy deads?
I'm on a transition program, just fiddling my diddle until I can graduate, get a job somewhere, and get some coaching and move onto a full on WL routine.
I did a set of 1x5, and then a double at a challenging weight for me, and I was still feeling it Monday, which made my snatch/clean starts feel off (someone mentioned that my hamdtrings might have been fatigued and therefore tight). I still went for it Monday, but then when it came time to squat 5x5 Tuesday I was REALLY feeling it, just beat down. Gave it a break, and came back today to give squats another shot, still felt wack. Yes, I sleep plenty and am eating at a surplus.
I'm gonna stretch more, which I'm guessing will help me stay mobile even if I fatigue the muscle, but would lighter snatch grip deads or something be better?
I just want to be able to progress my squat and have fun practicing weightlifting, so willing to drop the deadlifts if they are fucking me over.
sometimes it's just soreness that goes away when you keep your training more consistent. If you never do high intensity, then ramp it up for one set, you'll feel DOMS for ages.
I did 3x20 good mornings 4 days ago and I'm still feeling pretty sore
Sounds fun desu.
I would stick with the posted format. Wave sets are nice because you get intensity progression, a bit of volume, and some consistency work all without totally smoking yourself.
Just do the clean/snatch variation. Less weight, focus on positioning.
he's the top ranked 85 in the province. snatches 125 and clean and jerks 155. and 160 jerk. Well until our other 85 makes a come back who snatches 129 and clean and jerks 156. I guess there's one more guy who attempted 130/153 in comp but only made 126/145
if your do it to some extent it will go past your knees , no problem. placing the feet more outwards and outwards pointed than the knee cann cuse some seroius torque, which the knee joint is not made for
have you guys ever dealt with buttwink? i didn't think it was a big deal because my coach doesn't but this new guy at my gym won't fuck off about it
to top it off his is like a thousand times worse than mine too but he thinks its fine
then dont listen to him
buttwink is fine if its jusy pulling our spine straight/neuttal from slight hyperextensuon at the bottom
heres a pic, hope thay it explains it
film yourself an assess
dont listen to anyone who has thus far commented
its actually very good, besides the jump back.
those people saying "early arm bend" are wrong and i guarantee you they bounce the bar a mile forward
well if he would distribute the weight on his whole foot whil maintining proper back position and only going as low as his limited mobility allows him to do it would be alot better.
then work on mobility because thats obviously the problem.
no point in sacrificing form just to get deeper.
I tried something new with snatches this week... Went 30x3,40x3,40x3,50x3,60x3,65x3,70x2(missed 2nd rep), 72.5x3 for new 3rep PR, then I came back down, 60x3,50x3,40x3,30x3
I know my numbers suck but it was a proper workout, and I could focus on different things on the way up and on the way down
Gods of OLYmpus, i need your advice. Im doing a transition from PL to WL, slow and steady. How much pushing work can i do, if i do lots of shoulder mobility work? Can i bench once a week? I really wouldn't like to let my bench die (5x125kg and worked hard for it). How about press? How much do you guys do push work?
On the topic of getting worse at jumping, I had a 190 cm broad jump a year and a half ago(when I was 14), and now it's gotten lower, even though I squat and do cleans 2-3 times a weak. Also deadlifted 100 kg(or maybe 95 kg, those bars are suspicious) for the first time ever today.
Hey, I'm having a little trouble locking my arms out in my OH squat. I've got my wrists cocked back, trying to stretch the bar and keeping my armpits facing forward. Also trying to keep my shoulder blades pinched together. What am I missing?
Im getting hyped. First i thought that i'd teach myself the olympic lifts (and i've been doing technique work for like 3weeks), but after searching information and consulting people, i understand how important a proper coach is at the beginning.
There's a famous weightlifting gym 3km next to me, and they offer a beginner course (with 16 hours of individual coaching, lasting a month) for ~140$. Pretty good price?
The course starts in 2 months, how should i prepare to get most out of it? i think i will stop doing the lifts on my own now so i won't build any stupid habits, but i may do some technique and mobility work. Any recommendations?
>donnie shankle is bigger than you
>donnie shankle confirmed juicing
I'm so jealous... 140 sounds (to me) EXTREMELY reasonable....
I've heard really mixed opinions on this.
I do not know the answer myself, but anecdotally, I am currently seeing improvements in shoulder mobility, the largest gaines coming from stretching Pecs / doorway stretch, and I'm still pressing with a lot of volume (incline press, some bench press, dumbell bench) 1-2 times a week, body building style volume (2 pl8 for a few sets of 8-12)
I don't know how sustainable that is, or if i'm sseing abnormal mobility increases or not, but thats what i got for ya m8.
do you guys take creatine? is it useful for weightlifters?
if you do take it: all year round or do you take a break when you compete?
i heard that creatine causes you to retain water, which is not necessarily the best when you try to make weight for competitions
>get a girl from your class interested in the lifts and make her your very own qt wl gf
I guess all I had to do was bitch about the stretching not helping for it to start helping
anyone have hook grip knee sleeves? how do you like them? I don't want any bounce I just want to fend off any tendonitis and other spooky things
also anyone got an eleiko or hookgrip tank? do they fit good? i wanna look jackedXX
I've definitely spent time on this specific concept, and I've had reps that end up very nice because of this, but consistency is tough for me with all the shit i'm learning all at once.
thanks for the link though, i'll give this a try
idk. it was kind of taught to me... you gotta do like 6x4.... You can go pretty heavy with it too. I've done 100kg i think or 90 but you just sort of strap up and do 4 hang snatches rlly fast like jumping jacks.
Actually not horrible Norse
A bit of swing because banging, more mobility gains to come, otherwise keep it up
If I were you I'd try pulling my elbows up as high add I can as you triple extend, I think Klokov and torokhtiy have good vids about this
Weightlifting doesn't have some daft 'comp okayed' shit you can literally wear anything that meets the specs, you could wrap your legs with packaging tale asking as it didn't go over the size rule
Iwf don't need to be Jews like ipf
My wrist hurts unless i'm snatching maximal weights
100 now feels like 90, really feel like i'm good for 110 or 115 snatch
Also i'm fixing my squat technique and i'm making progress. Will post later whether you like it or not
Start your pull with a narrower stance. That's not why your feet do that i just hate it when people use wide stance like that. I think it's an imbalance in flexibility
nice shirt btw
I'm aware that kanye is who people point to when you ask them for a good hip hop artist, but I don't particularly care for his music. The fact that he's completely insufferable probably dyes my opinion of his music, but I don't like hip hop enough to care.
jared is here to save thread from die
i've been sitting in my room stretching my fucking hips / groin /quads / pecs / glutes for an hour
sweating like a hooker in church
the only thing keeping me going is dreaming that i can consistently be able to do this >>35974270
if my "ideal" weight class is 40+ lbs heavier, should i cut down from 13-14% to under 10, and slowly gain weight?
i kinda like permabulking at 500 cal surplus and getting ez squat gains, but dunno if it will come back to bite me in the ass when i actually wanna compete
you should compete at whatever bw you train at for the first few years then only cut when you have a chance of medalling and you'll have figured out which weightclass your body wants to stay at
Same guy here. Waiting 2 months feels extremely frustrating, because i want to start asap.
What would you recommend to do meanwhile at the gym, to get most out of it? I'm not sure whether i should train the movements on my own if i build a habit habit that is hard to get rid of later on the course..
Something like overhead squats, push press etc?
mobility is by far the most important thing
if you go and do the course and you can't even get into bottom position it'll be a waste of money
in terms of working out, squats/ ohp/ maybe a few snatch squats, just basic strength stuff without deadlifts and maybe not rows
don't do technique stuff because you don't want to learn the wrong thing
just be patience, 2 months goes pretty quickly especially if you do some sort of 6 week basic strength program
Thanks for the help.
Why shouldn't i do deadlifts or rows? Im pretty sure that you don't recommend bench and that i understand because it may affect the shoulder mobility.
Basic strength training is just a bit boring compared to oly lifting.. 2 months is going to be hell. Well atleast i love squats and press exercises, so lots of front squats and squats + overhead pressing. Bench once in a week or every 2 weeks.
Can't switch to something you already do : ^ )
for real though, how much of /owg/ has done a powerlifting meet?
how many of you have the desire to?
Why or why not?
No desire. Weightlifting is more fun to me and from what I've seen/heard wl comps are more fun and accessible when you're a noob.
Maybe I'd do a pl meet/train for that if for some reason I couldn't do wl anymore. But I hate benching so yknow
thats because it is
i really don't think thats true.
I couldn't comment on the fun factor, but I would believe it.
I'm curious why you find WL more fun? I think I do as well, just curious on why other people think so
I mean the comps are more accessible. In pl, you can become competitive by yourself in any gym. At local level the attitude is different. In local wl comps literally anyone who turns up and is brave enough to lift is made very welcome by everyone, as its such a small sport here. When I go to the wl gym that's a fair way away they instantly all encourage you to come and lift with them and they want you to be there
When I used to go to a gym that had more pl orientated people it didn't feel as nearly as welcoming and felt alot more judgmental. Maybe it's just my experience of these few gyms but I feel wl is more noob friendly in terms of people (not in terms of technique!)
Wl is fun to me cos its so alien I guess. I'm 29, and I chose to do this, god knows why, I could've tried any new sport, so my opinion is probably different from younger more talented lifters. I also, unusually, was a follower of weightlifting well before I tried it and began lifting properly. Bit of a dork I guess, I like any fringe sport generally.
>Why or why not?
powerlifting is attractive of bad type of people. it has many balding fats who are cuckolded by africans. then they have guys who crossdress and claim to be women. these situations are set to scene with high decibel death metal always. bench press is this ridiculous terrible looking exercise where you must lay on your back and too many federations with unique rules. 8 frog spotters surrounding lifters for squats look silly
weightlifting has many beautiful people. many pretty girls weightlift now and the men who weightlift look realistic strong and not like bloated roidfrogs. one federation with ruleset. you lift on platform with nice open space and no stupid equipment or ex-football players. the clean and jerk and snatch require speed the powerlifting lifts do not
>Why shouldn't i do deadlifts or rows
you don't want to do deadlifts because it'll fuck with your starting position in the lifts
and you don't want to do rows because it teaches you to use your arms
if you're going to make completely baseless claims and then get mad when people make fun of you for being a fucking retard, try reddit
i'm not going to bother posting one of the hundreds of videos there are of weightlifters (at all levels, not just elite) doing deadlifts
>comparing people who understand how to do the lift properly against someone completely new
one of the biggest problems new lifters have is using their arms, rows encourage that
same with deadlift and the starting position
is it fine once you have a good grasp on the lifts and finding your starting position/ not using your arms is fine? yes its good because it builds strength but strength is secondary to technique in weightlifting and this is even bigger in people learning the lifts because otherwise they can just muscle the weight up instead of using momentium
newb here. maybe my deadifts are shit, or my pulls are. tho i tried to take what i learned from foth and transitioned it vice versa.
saying my starting positions and movement until mid thigh are about the same.
are my deadlifts shit or are my pulls?
i couldn't tell you without a video mate
if trappy is here or someone who has that picture from starting strength that shows the different starting positions in a deadlift and a oly lift can you post it?
that should give you an idea
in the deadlift you break the floor when scaps are over the bar
in the clean pull or the clean, shoulders are over the bar. You can move more weight in the DL because it's closer to your center of mass, but lots of powerlifters set up like they're going to clean pull - Eddie Hall, for example
In the deadlift, generally you start with straight tibias. In the clean, you have forward leaning tibias, which you sweep back as the bar ascends so you don't clock yourself in the knees
I tried tinkering with my tek because it was a light day today. Also my upper back keeps rounding on front squat fucking execute me
critique my cj yo
Caladan how do i fix my squat and front squat
I think that asking me how to fix your squat and front squat is like asking a leper how to get girls
one thing I think you always do though is try to get too comfy in the hole instead of just blast out of it at the bottom of the clean
well if your upper back is collapsing, it could be a couple of things that are tight, like your chest and shoulder girdle, which makes you hunch forward. Sometimes no amount of upper back strength will prevent that, so mobilize
As for ass shooting up, part of that will be prevented if your chest is staying big, but also it's important to fight really hard to keep your torso angle. If you want, try shifting your hips forward ,almost a little thrust, as soon as you feel hips start to rise. This will shift the bar further back and you should be able to grind it out better. Ditto on back squat
As for core tightness, try doing a couple short planks before you squat. It might help you realize how you need to tense before lifting in a standing position
>As for core tightness, try doing a couple short planks before you squat. It might help you realize how you need to tense before lifting in a standing position
I've only recently started doing abs and i've got no idea how to use them. Hopefully it'll help.
I think my shoulders are pretty mobile. Triceps could be tight though.
I felt tighter / worse today than i have ever before, but it turns out I was actually doing ok.
I'll make some webms, but man snatches might actually be legit fun here soon
>unfortunately though, tfw tight hips - so tight that i'm just now realize JUST how fucking long its going to take to loosed these fuckers up....
you seriously need to chill the fuck out nigga
its a fucking lebanese ananas cultivating image board, relax
its not like a single one of my questions actually physically harms you other than a fucking autism flare
>2 sentences telling me to relax
>1 calling me an autist
>Just because I told you to refrain from posting and actually take an active step in your learning and watch youtube videos
Do what you fucking want, but nobody benefits when you ask 1000 fucking questions for stupid simple shit you could learn meticulously watching pros lift or lifting yourself. Whatever, It's not like I'm here often anymore anyway. You just don't have that fucking hunger.
its just that youre annoying.
youre like a female posting an update on her life every 10 minutes and no one cares
>this is so HARD but omg i think im getting better
you even talk like a chick
nigga you're contradicting everything every and any one ever says about WL
>git gud in 2 months
seriously, who gives a fuck if I'm not going after the purest sport ever of all time, weightlifting  with 100% zeal
its not that big of a fucking deal
fair enough, but its seriously not like one couldn't ignore it
If you can't have decent tech with 2 months of training you might as well just leave now. You've been coming here since fucking november or something like that right? Since worlds?
>If you can't have decent tech with 2 months of training you might as well just leave now.
thats the retard identifier right there
i'm a total scrub and I know you're either trolling or talking out your ass.
I'll stop responding now. sorry for shitting up thread senpai
>fair enough, but its seriously not like one couldn't ignore it
i personally dont care, but i could see why people get pissed at you. you post about everything you do and say shit like
>seriously, who gives a fuck if I'm not going after the purest sport ever of all time, weightlifting  with 100% zeal
which are opposite attitudes towards the sport
it just seems like you get defensive when people call you out as an attention whore by saying you dont care about the sport, but then you post about it all the time and talk about how youre having fun making progress. it reeks of insecurity which is funny because you squat more than everyone here afaik
be content with lurking and improving, and when you feel you need a form check post that shit.
dont post webms of you stretching like women do because you dont have an ass that we want to look at
>which are opposite attitudes towards the sport
i don't see why it has to be a binary thing
>don't care at all
like, i can care about it enough to spend some energy on it but not obsess over it
>be content with lurking and improving, and when you feel you need a form check post that shit.
normally i agree and have no issue with this, but you also have to remember, I have one (limited af) coach IRL. Thats it. nothing else.
Yeah I can go watch 1000 videos, but talking directly to people who have also watched it, tried it, and interpreted makes a big difference for me.
>dont post webms of you stretching like women do because you dont have an ass that we want to look at
kek, fair enough.
But again, remember this is all a pretty damn new experience for me.
I think literally every one is over-reacting to me and getting their panties in a bunch for no reason.
I'm a scrub
that wants to learn
that enjoys talking about WL and discussing things as I'm learning them
I'm just sort of surprised and peeved when people find this behavior.... annoying? tiresome? whatever it is.
I've seen these sort of things constantly in /plg/ - tons of stupid questions about every little thing, and when people want the advice from me I give it without crying. and they grow as powerlifters from it.
Maybe i'm over reacting myself, but it seems the general attitude [of hatred towards me] is a generally negative thing.
meh. its w/e
you fuckin' bet lel, i'm the most unstable person I know these days
>they dont shit up
You underestimate my ability to sabotage myself
sorry to necro but can some of the good guys here like commisar or caldaran give some critiques on my clean?
i know i can do a fuckload more but my technique is just so garb and i live on base so there are no accessible coaches
obv core tightness when receiving
really? What are you doing to it?
you should be doing planks or ab wheel at the least m8, 3 minutes of planks at the end of the workout shout be nothing
I've been doing GHD situps recently, those are hard
Dw I luff u big strong American
Nothing wrong with moving feet laterally, often a little jump back is okay too. Impossible to tell if you are okay without a video though.
Lots of lifters move their feet out because they are more stable catching low with their feet wider. Lots of lifters pull with their feet closer because they generate more power that way.
There are some lifters who barely move their feet. There's one Chinese 75 (I think) who keeps her feet planted the whole time. Looks real nice.
Drilling without footwork is how you learn how to keep feet still. You'll probably have to start with the bar, and start with your feet quite a bit weight wider than you think.