Lifting is more hard difficult. Keeping the small muscles in your arms conditioned through lifting heavy weights with lot of reps is more difficult then getting your big ass leg muscles condition for running. Since FIT is mostly normal dyel fags they'll say running out of spite xD of dedicated athletes with routines.
>>35934863 Varies wildly with how good someone is at both activities. A good runner will think running is harder than lifting because they bust ass to hit good times, but thinks lifting is a joke because they never do anything but fuck around with baby weights, and a good lifter works hard to hit huge weights, but shuffles along slowly as a "run" and therefore thinks the activity is a joke.
Some people will think of it the other way around, too (I'm good at X and bad at Y, so X must be easier than Y) failing to recognize how much more time and effort they put into one over the other.
>doing couch to 5k >pushing through the times >finally do 20 min non stop run or some shit >friend offers to run with >speeds ahead of me instantly >was running with a snails pace the entire time fuck running
>>35935791 >doing ss >pushing through the workouts >finally squat 1pl8 3x5 or some shit >friend offers to lift with >lifts more than me instantly >was lifting withbaby weight the entire time fuck lifting
>>35934863 its about the mentality. i can always lift even if i feel like shit (mentally not physically) or have woken up an hour ago. But when it comes to running i have to get really pumped to do this. Its way harder for me
>>35936041 Running works exactly the same way. You need to be on point with your pace to progress, and you need to nail form (and keep it from breaking down when you're fatigued). Long distance runners need to calculate max weekly distance for their training level to avoid injuries. You have to make a training plan that involves several different distances at varying pace, and keep track of all of it. And everything is affected by temperature, weather, wind...
it really depends. i don't think we can compare olympic weightlifting to ultramarathons - i think everyone would say an ultramarathon is much more challenging (if anyone's done any serious distance running). on the other hand, lifting 1,000+ pounds is also an impossible feat - and no runner would claim it is easy.
excluding the extremes - which is tougher on average? it depends on the person and their basic strengths/weaknesses. i think after having run and lifted for years, running is easier: i can do it at the drop of a hat and i can do it for hours, usually improving my time/form as i go along. with lifting, progress is much slower and takes much more out of me. it's also boring after about 2 hours.
>>35934863 Both is totally easy, you just have to be smart about it. If you wanna go somewhere, think about the way! Sometimes It's better to get there by car or by bike. Having a break from time to time helps, too. Same goes for lifting: Usually you can just split up the weight in to several pieces. Especially weight lifting equipment id made in a way that you can handle plates and so on separately. If a weight is really heavy and you can't split it into pieces why not ask a friend to help you? In conclusion I have to say you are all really stupid if you have problems with weight or distances.
>>35936126 It depends on when you start. I have seen studies showing that you will continue to improve for about 10 years after you start.
If your 10 years are coming to an end at the end of college, then you are perfectly correct, you are unlikely to get much faster. And distance that you are running, 100m, 200m, 800m are a your mans sport. Marathon records seem to be set by the guys in their late 30's
So if you start at 30, you will likely continue to get faster into your 40's, and this probably holds true as very few people take up 100m events in their 30's
Running is fucking bullshit. The whole time I'm running all I'm thinking about is how I could just stop running since I hate it so much. I'm pretty much just forcing myself to keep going because health. Everyone else I know gets runners high or whatever and they only stop when they get too tired. I don't get tired I just hate it.
>>35936074 The thing about running is I can run and thats it, running is over, that exercise is over, and I move on with my day. Weightlifting is, okay i've finished lifting, now lets hit our macros/protein/eat more, now lets sleep, now lets get more groceries, planning drinking nights.
>>35937448 Get a good pair of shoes that have stability (brooks Ravenna have always done the trick for me). Do a dynamic warm up before the run and static stretching after the run. Eat fruit right after you run. Don't ramp up your mileage quickly if you're just starting out. Check out "VO2MaxProductions" in YouTube he's got a lot of good videos about running
I think that running is more mental than physical. IK it sounds retarded but think about it, if on his first try lifting someone maxed out at 180 bench, he is definitely not benching 225 on his 3rd try. But someone that runs a mile in 10 minuets his first try can shave a good 4 minuets off of that if he really pushes himself
My friend would always run a mile at around 8:30.. One day I made a bet with him that he couldn't get 5:30... He ran the mile in 5:28 then collapsed on the floor. What I am saying is he could not have done the same with lifting. If you can't pull 500 pounds you can't pull 500 pounds.
>runfags think they're better than everyone >they don't realize their knees are being actually murdered with every mile >my topkek will be too much when I tap dance around their skinny crippled ass in 15-20 years Look at the physiology of a human. We weren't made for long distance, that's why we developed shoulders for throwing and projectile weapons, and also why sprinters are god tier fitness. We're made for a short burst of speed, toss your spear/projectile, and you get the kill and you eat that night.
5k-10k is literally the sweet spot. Any more than that and you could be looking at running for fucking hours. I love lifting (and running) and all, but even if it weren't for the negative effects of training for too long, I wouldn't wanna be in the gym for >2 hours.
Our connective tissue can't handle constant use, especially not the impact of your foot hitting the ground with all your weight over and over and over again for miles, and especially not every day for years. You all are crippling yourselves and acting like an asshole peacock about it. You will all make surgeons and doctors an assload of money in your lifetimes if you keep this up. Have fun with your medical bills and wheelchairs down the line. You'll call me an idiot now, but won't learn until it happens to you.
No one denies that early humans were superb long distance runners but ffs they didn't do it every day. And even if they did we have no way of knowing if they didn't deal with long term injuries later in life (if they even lived long enough).
Lifting 3-4 days a week and doing either swimming or running (fuck cycling) on the off days and 1-2 days rest is literally the best lifestyle for a human as far as fitness is concerned desu.
Question for runfags. I started working on my 5k times and got to 20:30 after like a week and a half. I'd try for time every other day and just jog 4 mikes in between days. Now my hip hurts when I run hard after mile 2. I took a week off and only did eliptical for low impact but then I got back on the treadmill and shit still hurts after mile 2. What gives? I'm 22, 6'2" 190lbs not some oldfatfuck.
Assuming someone knows jack shit about lifting, they would find the Olympia interesting due to sheer otherworldliness of it and they would find olympic lifting interesting because of the exciting element of explosive power intrinsic to the snatch and C&J.
Whereas this is considered the cream of the powerlifting crop: A fat man shaking uncontrollably as he drags a bar up his shins seemingly in slow motion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w95Yi9HcQ7s
Not to mention olympic weightlifters are better powerlifters than powerlifters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI0L7E_5Qac
Running is hard as first, but if you're just doing distance it gets a little easier over time. Like it took me forever to get up to 3-4 miles. but adding distance after that was easy. As long as I stay fueled and hydrated I feel like I could run forever, want to do a few ultras eventually.
With lifting, you reach a weight where you can't physically lift anymore without injuring your muscle. With running, if your legs are in decent shape you can run until you die. So I guess lifting has an objective ceiling which is based off of muscle mass and total weight? Not sure if it makes it harder or what but I think it's interesting.
>>35938206 Sometimes the hip locks into some weird position as the muscles fatigue. If it's one sided pain it could be leg muscles and the hip tilt will sort of follow one leg as it moves. If it's neither it's more likely a trunk muscle like your abs and is like pelvic tilt in general.
This is pretty common in people running on their own. Runners with coaches do more stretches and drills like duck walking and high knees. Rest it and do more warm up and drills and things as you build up again.
I'm a liftfag but even I have to admit that that final set of squats or deadlifts is a walk in the park (mentally) compared to that last 100m in the freezing cold. Don't forger that at the end of the day, most of the time you spend in a gym session IS resting - the time your muscles are actually under tension is only a fraction. With running it is non-stop.
Maybe olympic weightlifting or strongman are the only ones that come close to the mental fortitude required.
>>35937601 It might be more than I am better at running and upping distance or speed is a lot easier for me so I generally dont have to try as hard. Lifting I feel like everything needs to be perfect for me to even improve. 6'5'' Skelly
>Assuming someone knows jack shit about lifting, they would find the Olympia interesting Like yourself? I agree! Bodybuilding is like watching Ms. America. Oiled up whores for all to enjoy :)
>this is considered the cream of the powerlifting crop Nope. Eddie Hall is an admirable beast, but that is not powerlifting.
>olympic weightlifters are better powerlifters than powerlifters. Not unless they step on the competition platform. I would hope they are some of the best though. Oly weightlifters are often chosen near birth with the right leverages and genetics to become the best oly strength athletes. Powerlifting is more "hobby-ish".
No need to be so decisive, though. Just lift and have fun. And go for a run. It might help you with your frustration.
>>35938691 >Bodybuilding is like watching Ms. America. Oiled up whores for all to enjoy :) It is a freakshow but that doesn't mean it isn't interesting and funnily enough more 'mainstream' than powerlifting, which was my original point.
>Eddie Hall is an admirable beast, but that is not powerlifting. I'm curious: Why not?
>Not unless they step on the competition platform. Sure, none of them would be winning any meets any time soon, but I would personally be more interested to watch Lu Xiaojun perform a technically perfect squat than Lillebridge putting up twice the weight with the bare minimum of depth.
I'm just saying that powerlifting is the most banal branch of lifting. Those who practise it love it and good for them but for those of us who only look in on the sport casually, the shameful practices of the various federations (like atrocious squat depth judging) and the inherently boring to watch lifts will always hold it back.
>It might help you with your frustration. >the only reason someone doesn't like what I like is because they're frustrated
>>35937468 Sprints are the best running event. It's essential oly lifting in that it plyometric power. Distance running is gay and stupid. It serves a purpose for health, but no more than 20 minutes. If you really want health, do a fast 800m and a mile tops. I used to sprint 400m in 49 seconds in hs and that had me in best shape for lungs and heart.
just look at marathon runners vs sprinters. who looks healthier? Runners actually fuck up their hearts with too low of bpm.
At amateur levels both are easy. I can run, you can run, but I'm sure an expert runner would make me look like a faggot. At expert levels, both are hard. I can lift, you can lift, but an expert lifter would make me look like a pussy. You can't fucking compare apples to oranges.
>>35938206 stretching, correct running form etc are all fundamental to running w/o injuries, you gave too little info
but in general you dont wanty to 'try for time' more often than 1-2 weeks for 5k, fe marathoners, even amateur, run usually only two marathons a year - spring one and autumn one bc its so damaging to your muscles
>>35934863 >run/jog/walk 5km >puffed out for a few minutes then more or less okay again
>started SS yesterday, Squats, bench and dead lifts >legs and chest feel like fucking jelly, sensitive and sore as fuck >still tender and sensitive a day later and still walking around like a fucking limp robot
yeah naa. but seriously /fit/ how do I ease the pain?
>Eddie Hall is an admirable beast, but that is not powerlifting. >>I'm curious: Why not? Eddie Hall, as far as know, does not compete in Squat. Powerlifting is the squat, bench press and deadlift. Olympic weightlifting is the snatch and the clean & jerk. Strongman is a variety of events such as atlas stones, farmer's walk, log clean and press, carrying/loading medley.
>>35942537 You are better off just walking uphill, or on a treadmill with maximum incline. Running while obese can set the stage for joint problems later on. In extreme cases several micro bone fractures of the shins and feet from the high impact.
>>35942537 Dude, really, stay motivated. But please lose som weight before running. With 130 kg, you are torturing your joints with every step you take. Do something like cycling, or swimming, until you have lost a considerable ammount of weight. Your joints will thank you.
Also, for progress, running once a week is not enough.
>>35943759 >Endurance running is mainly a mental game, sure you need to train but it comes down to being able to mentally push on. Sure there is a mental aspect to it but those who are in the top are those that train the hardest, to say that it's 90% a mental game is to shit on the hard work they put in.
>>35943779 Lifting does require more discipline (meal prep etc), the actual act of running is more mental than the act of lifting. I don't expect you to agree but you're retarded if you don't understand what I am suggesting.
>>35943792 >>35943815 Of course training will give you a big edge in anything you do. I'm simply saying that in terms of actually competing and for the average person, running requires much more of a mental effort to push on than lifting does.
>>35943856 Dude we understand you. You're just wrong. I do both. I need to psych myself a lot more to get through my lifting routine than to finish my runs, cause I like running more and have done it for longer. You like lifting more so it's the other way around.
Running requires as much discipline regarding nutrition and training if you want to progress instead of just maintaining at an average level.
You're comparing serious lifters with joggers, but joggers are much closer to curlbros.
>>35943910 I see your point. I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. I don't ever plan on competing in running, only do it for sports/function etc.
I've been lifting for about double the time that I've been running so for me personally running is more difficult. So long as I can run 6 miles in a decent time and keep my mile under 6 minutes I'm happy. I personally think I enjoy running more though, something is more satisfying about pushing through when your body is telling you to stop.
>>35943921 To progress in lifting, you need to train at least 3x1h per week, and you take a few minutes break after a few seconds of exertion. To progress in running, you need to train at least 3x1h per week, but you don't take any breaks in between.
>>35934863 Yup totally. Anyone who disagrees has never done proper long distance running. By far the most torturous exercise. Weightlifting is popular now because its generally quite easy and fun to do. That being said it is a skill and getting v strong is something that takes adherence and intelligence, probably more so than any kinddof running.
tldr. Running way tougher, not necessarily more difficult in some ways
The vast majority of trained individuals cannot run a sub 5 mile. Almost any non-fatty can quickly progress to a 6:30 mile in about a year but actual competitive sprint or endurance running requires talent, coaching, or both.
I am a runner, who is in college xc/track. I have plans to run a 50-mile trail race next summer (which is harder than anything most people on /fit/ will ever do). I have the utmost respect for other athletes and competitive lifters, whose disciplines require different strengths and skills. But the average gymbro is a fucking joke. Yes, you are all bigger than me. No, I am not impressed. No, you do not work harder than me.
>>35943761 >biking is superior Except when you burst a tire bombing a hill and cripple yourself. Happened to a cyclist near me. With biking and cycling, you have to shell out cash every few weeks for new tires or else risk dying. Running doesn't have this problem. >b-but just don't ride fast Might as well ride a unicycle then.
>>35936123 Training for the Zumbro 100 mile right now. On target to break 24 hours if I don't fuck up more than five times. I want to join the 1000lb club, and for me that will he harder than finishing. Shit's hard, man. Ultrarunning, you just have to plan your food and keep putting one foot in front of the other.
>>35934863 Eventually running gets easier. Unless your going for PR's for competiton, running plateaus in difficulty. Lifting is hard everytime. If it's not your not doing it right. When people run they tend to stagnate, hell, I remember reading this article about a guy who ran 8 miles a day for over 7 years just for exercise. Tell me he didn't just zone out on his daily mobile meditation. Look at a top tier runner, it's a skeleton. Top tier lifter not so much.
>>35950458 everything plataeus in difficulty. lifting is hard everytime because you can lift hard from 5 minutes of physical exertion on one body part, running requires runs ranging from easy to difficult. you used an example of a guy not knowing what he is doing, running the same distance everyday is retarded. doing ss everyday is retarded much less for years. what matters about what the body looks like, what relevance is there? smolov is easier than 400 repeats reeeeee fuck you
>>35937958 You have to realise that /fit consists of 90% basement dwellers or former fatties who never in their lives have done anything remotely sportive and really think lifting and running are hard.
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