By drug-free, I'm referring to not using:
- Steroids/performance enhancers
- Any legal or illegal substance used specifically for recreation
(I say this in order to ward off any tards who suggest coffee, sugar, artificial sweeteners and the like are also drugs.)
I haven't drank in three months, feels good man.
And haven't been actual drunk in years, getting drunk to the point where you vomit is fucking stupid, also all drugs are bad no matter how people word it.
Oh but braaah weed is natural, yeah the natural fucking herbal jew that will rot your mind, same with mdma and all that shit, forcing your serotonin levels into overdrive for a few hours is a good idea?
No thanks nigga.
Pic related, me.
Hijacking dumb thread. How many times a week can I take caffeine pills without fucking up tolerance? I already feel like I want to take them everyday (lol caffeine addict!!!) but obviously that's a poor idea.
I drink cannabis tincture and do mushrooms.
Come at me weirdos.
I only smoke weed every day (vape, actually, for the health benefits). I'm in a masters' engineering program doing very well and my lifts are decent enough (lifting for 4 years for both some strength and aesthetics
weed makes my every day better and I will never, ever stop
Technically caffeine is a drug, but it's kind of negligible, as it has basically no known damaging effects at all, you can't actually get addicted to it and human tolerance is very high.
I mean, I'm not staying drug free so that someone gives me a medal. I stay drug free because I believe it's healthy. I see no real benefits in not drinking my cup of coffee in the morning.
smoking a bowl right now, just for you. It's not drugs, though, because that's how I feel
>be me hanging out with girl I know planning a night out
>get hold of some MDMA, but we decide to give it a test run before the big night out just in case it's just brown sugar
>we start listening to music, all of a sudden she starts opening up and being super loving towards me, the cuddling feels amazing, she just lays on my chest.
>I can feel her rubbing herself on me, dontcare.JPEG cos it feels good.
>next thing I know she's in panties doing the same shit.
>I keep trying to get hard but MDMA doesn't let me
>end up putting my limp dick in her anyway
>we chatted for ages with my dick in her for the whole night having sporadic sex here and there but never actually taking my dick out.
This truly was the best time I have ever had with a girl.
I could barley walk yesterday.Then I smoked a few joints last night for the first time in over 5 years. The pain from a bulging disk in my lower back is almost nonexistent now.
Use to roll/trip often in college.
Smoked weed hourly.
Gave it all up after college with getting a job, living on my own and using my degree. Looking back with being /fit/ and healthy now, I'm thankful I'm still alive after those long largepupil-fast-talking-vague-embarrassing-filled nights.
........sometimes I still miss that feeling though.
there's a few drugs that are "worth it"
sporadically is awesum skates.
tfw GHB increases HGH 50%.
tfw you gain if you do GHB.
I use coffee and pre workout while also taking NSAIDS and Paracetamol to reduce joint pain. I also use knee sleeves, oly shoes and a lifting belt.
I don't take juice, but I am definitely not "natural".
hahahahahah man there are some tards on this board.
opiates or bust. dont gamble with your psyche. at least I know when Im gonna get high I am definitely gonna have a good time and not a shit time.
Stimdick is a result of added stimulants, usually amphetamines. Straight up MDMA isn't strong enough on the amphetamine side to effect erectile performance unless you take too much or have a per-existing erectile disorder.
>Skip the addiction
>Jump right into recovery hugbox\
>by myself or chillin with my bro
also mdma > coke every single time
i get the weed dirt cheap at a dispensary in the Valley, and get discounts from a dealer friend on the rest. doesnt take up much free time unless you gount the 2 or so saturdays a month i spend tripping
>tfw LSD Shrooms and DMT have ceased my cluster headaches
i wasnt offering
I don't use anymore.
However, if I'm talking to someone and they disclose that they're straight edge without any provocation, then I tell them I use everything. Their reactions are comedy gold
>I must respond to someone who chooses to live a different lifestyle than mine
>When I respond, I must with middle school level jokes because that was when my social development ended.
You guys are easily provoked and it's hilarious
anyone use kratom who lifts?
I used to use it alot for pain relief.
i am now thinking about using it for my sore muscles after lifting, is this a good idea
i just quit alcohol and i dont smoke
I've used it, but only to kick heroin.
It's got some effective pain relieving properties, but you don't want to rely on it too much. Also, the DOMS go away after a while.
Check out erowid, they've got more info on regular use and its effects
I am de facto drug free because even though I have no problem drinking alcohol or smoking pot, for some reason I almost never do. Like, maybe once every two month, and I never buy any.
Other than that only coffee.
Drug free here. Occasional drinking up to the point you feel light-headed doesn't count, right?
I do have a psychological addiction to technology (mindlessly browsing the net and playing vidya), though lifting kinda helps and I do believe that getting a decent gf will let me leave it back.
>doesn't buy them
You are the absolute worst
> I don't want to consider weed a drug
This is fucking ridiculous. I've used a lot of drugs (compared to the average person) and I've been more fucked up smoking weed than Oxy. It's about dose, setting, etc.
I agree weed isn't a "hard drug" but where do you draw the "hard drug" line, and why do you put it there?
Drugs have their positive and negative qualities, no one can deny this. The problems arise when people start losing sight of the fact that they are actually using drugs and start trying to justify their use so as to hide the fact that they are no longer in control
>where do you draw the "hard drug" line
Kill yourself; there is a definition for this. Hard drugs lead to physical addiction, this includes nicotine and alcohol, among other socially accepted things.
>reflection of one's character
Prejudice and stereotyping are poor character traits
Like assuming users and addicts are all the same
Isn't it careless to make blind assumptions?
Ironic, isn't it? You look down upon so many people and hold yourself in such high regard for doing something that most people can do without a second thought.
What you need to practice in empathy
There is a reason to nitpick because the dopamine flood is the real reason why drugs are addictive since it's an easy, large reward. You can't be selective in that when they have similar mechanisms of action.
>straight edge rebuttal
>I know you are, but what am I
>I am rubber, you are glue
Sober and clean since November 2012. I have lots of energy, my mood is usually good, my thinking is much clearer than before. My skin looks good and I look healthy.
I'm lonely though. Don't know how to socialize without substances. I've been to a few 12 step meetings but I find it too hard to speak up.
Just the occasional LSD and DMT. So those aren't exactly "casual" use drugs. Used to do one or the other weekly, but now it's really once in a blue moon. So, drug-free except for occasional psychs in the jungle or whatever.
I understand that there is a definition, but how many people do you know who would NEVER consider nicotine a hard drug, or would NEVER consider alcohol a hard drug? There is a cultural understanding of that term, and I believe most people wouldn't put alcohol in the hard drug camp.
I also believe that, while physical addiction is obviously worse, psychological addiction can be pretty crippling. I was, at one point, addicted to weed (smoked daily, at least 10 big bong bowls, did not stop until I fell asleep). The only time I wasn't smoking weed was when I was at work, because the job I had would have been too hard to do high.
When I stopped smoking for a time, it took about 5 days for the headaches to go away, about 10 days to be able to fall asleep soundly without it, and over month to stop thinking about weed constantly. I'd say this addiction was pretty real and had a pretty significant impact on my life, even though weed isn't a "hard drug."
>implying a user/addict would acknowledge your existence, let alone care enough to engage in psychological projection.
You are not their drug. If you cannot provide them their drug, then you don't exist. This is what addiction is, kiddo. get your head out of your ass
>I'm lonely though. Don't know how to socialize without substances. I've been to a few 12 step meetings but I find it too hard to speak up.
I hear you bro. I've been clean since April 2014 and I'm struggling with the loneliness. My best friend died of a heroin overdose in November and I've been going to NA since, but I just can't bring myself to make any connections
>Hi, I'm Anon, and I am an Addict. I can relate to that topic of [whatever the chair topic gives out for suggestion]. It's because I [relate your story to topic]. E.g.
I can really appreciate gratitude. While in active addiction, I could not be grateful for anything. I always wanted more. Even when I got what I wanted, I couldn't get enough. That's the addiction in me talking. To it, nothing is enough. So, I stole, lie, cheat and manipulated to get more and more even though it resulted in me having more resentments for not having more. But, through the NA program, I learned about true gratitude. And with that I pass.
With sharing something like that, just watch the sponsees line up, especially the chicks who want to 13-step.
No, you speak for yourself, right?
Are you saying that you have no conviction for your straight edge lifestyle?
Are your beliefs personal? Are they based on some kind of specific experience or evidence? Or are you simply parroting the convictions of another individual or individuals?
Right or wrong, someone who truly believes in their beliefs shouldn't have any trouble speaking about them and where they come from.
I am, and have always been. Mainly because I never understood why I would want to ingest any substance that basically does nothing but negative things to my body and has the potential of addiction, then actually PAY for that shit.
Coffee (or rather caffeine) is a drug whether you like it or not. It's even brain altering. It fucks with your neurotransmitters in order to induce an adrenalin (or epinephrine) response. It's very effective and quite safe in moderation but it is no less of a drug than alcohol or pain killers. If you get to redefine a definition to give yourself a warm and fuzzy feeling about being drug free then you are no better than any other drug user.
>tfw this thread inspired me to go get a twelve pack of hefeweizen from the faggy "straight edge" teen posters
You guys are such insufferable fags. Can't you do what you want without being obnoxious about it?
I think you're just insecure in your drug addiction, so you have to label everyone as a drug user by bringing up substances like caffeine. Those are the worst kind of druggies. I've heard it all before. I know the types of arguments you like to make.
>letting anyone or anything else speak for you
Straight edge confirmed for a cult
But that's nothing new.
People who don't do drugs as per your stupid definition:
>Autists with nobody to do them with
>Sanctimonious tools who go "straight edge" to feel superior (lots of overlap with the autists and Mormons here)
Good luck getting a job in your field after failing every drug test you take :) You're making us all very proud.
You can absolutely get addicted to caffeine. Ask anyone who drank coffee every day for a long time and quit suddenly. I got horrible headaches every day for months when I did. Eventually they stopped, but I'm terrified to start drinking coffee regularly again. That shit fucking sucked.
>but it is no less of a drug than alcohol or pain killers.
Yes, it is "less of a drug" than those two. You pretend like a substance can only either be a drug or not, like it's completely binary. But you can actually sort drugs by their addictive potential, their health effects etc. In that context, caffeine is hardly worth mentioning, whereas alcohol and pain killers have literally destroyed the lives and even killed millions and millions of people. So don't pretend like it's all relative and depends on random definitions. Caffeine is simply negligible when talking about drugs.
Except by your definitions I'm not a drug addict. I don't drink, smoke, use edibles ect. The only drugs I consume are the occasional cup of coffee maybe once every couple of weeks if I need a pick-me-up for a workout and maybe a pain killer if I have a headache or something. oh I took a proton inhibitor for an ulcer a couple months ago too. The difference is I don't run around claiming I'm drug free because im clearly not. Caffeine is a recreational drug you nimrod. Why do you think cafes exist. They were literally created as a recreational setting where people get together to consume caffeine in a social environment. In many counties they still are.
Okay, I understand that, but I would think most people drink caffeinated beverages for the taste. I used to consume drinks like Full Throttle and Monster every day, because they tasted good. But I still was aware of their caffeine content, and willingly gave them up when I felt that they were starting to affect me negatively. I'm not denying that caffeine is a drug, but I don't view it as a "first-tier" drug the way illegal substances, alcohol, etc. are.
That's just a weakness of the English language that it doesn't differentiate "drugs" in the sense of substances that are used for recreation with addictive potential and "drugs" in the sense of medicine/medicaments/remedies. You can discuss this with yourself if you like.
If the opening post had simply made an exception for coffee on the bases of a lack of overdose potential (though that leaves caffeine pills on the hook) that's fine but he shouldn't make the retarded claim that only retards think coffee is a drug.
i don't like smoking weed that much and don't like to drink because I am always driving, and also the party crowd where I live has a lot of asshole hipsters/bros, but I've recently figured out that smoking and partying helps me come in contact with so many hot grills. I am a hand holdless, kissless virgin, but look ok and am stronger than most dudes my age. I'm not even that awkward around girls, just scared to ask out girls in normal settings like school because I don't want my classes with them to be awkward if they say no. What do bros?
shit man me too. Clean and sober since 2011, stopped hanging out with all my druggie friends and went through a period of isolation where I started to sort my life out. I'm in the best shape of my life, my skin is glowing, I feel better than I ever have.. but I have no friends and struggle to let down my guard when I'm sober, which is all the time.
Got a gf for a while but she left a couple months ago. Feels bad man.
>having a discussion with someone who can't properly express themselves.
As I said, I look OK. I have a potato nigger face, kind of rough with big nose. Because of cycling and ss, my legs are also kind of disproportionate to my upper body, and my bench is complete shit, but I guess by normie standards I have a somewhat strong upper body. Idk man. All I know is that I'm not that ugly because some girls I know for sure think I'm "cute" but I don't know what they mean by cute, whether like a cucked weakling teddybear "cute" or actually good cute. Fuck man maybe I should just go for wizardry and not worry about grills of drugs anymore, only gains and vidya.
>not using steroids for maximum gainz
>not drinking reasonably in social contex
>not taking MDMA every 6 months or so at music shows
It's like you don't even know what moderation is. I don't smoke weed though, it makes me anxious
I've literally never consumed any drugs or alcohol.
I haven't read this thread yet but I'm sure someone thinks lowly of me because of it. Am I right? Have there been the same, stupid arguments?
Nope. Not in any form. Don't want to ruin my taste buds.
- Steroids/performance enhancers
Cheating is for faggots (not exclusively gay people)
- Any legal or illegal substance used specifically for recreation
I am of disgust.
Coffee, sugar, artificial sweeteners
Rarely, Yes, Never.
My family is full of high functioning addicts (Alcohol, Nicotine, etc)
I have a pretty addictive personality myself.
It's messed up craving alcohol / tobacco / any thing to deal with 'stuff' even before you've ever tried them.. So I do my best to stay away. Not even underage.
20 y/o in college and yah I use a fuck ton of drugs. Slowed down on weed but will smoke a couple times a week. Rolled 10 times in the last 6 months, currently taking a huge break. Get drunk 3-4 nights a week (usually take a xanax while drinking) and either do coke or amphetamine sulfate. Had a long talk with this girl who is basically my gf and I recognize I need to slow down and stop before I fail out of college. Also I trip occasionally, prefer shrooms over L but have done L twice in the last couple weeks. Basically I've been a shit head in college having too much fun and I need to moderate and focus on my classes. On a scholarship too, if I lose this idk if I could live with myself. Just hard because I'm in a fraternity and the environment of partying and socializing with girls goes hand in hand with drugs. Gonna try to stay sober (except for weed) for 6 weeks until Spring Break and prove I can do it. I don't think I've gone more than 5 days without getting fucked up since I was 18 and my family has addiction issues on both sides so I definitely need to get this in check. Any tips brahs? Maybe I need to start reading or some shit, used to read a lot. Also, my friends and room mate from last year are both dealers so they are always trying to get fucked up.
Don't drink alcohol because it dosn't sit well in my stomach
Both parents smoked growing up so can't stand smoking anything (cigarettes, cigars, weed)
No steroids, just trying to get less fat now
No medications of any kind, I don't even like to take Tylenol when I get a headache.
Love me some coffee though
>you can't actually get addicted to it
stay addicted coffee slave
These drugs that have actual benefit to your mental wellbeing are "gambling with your psyche"
These opiates that are highly addictive, horrible for your health, and offer no benefit other than short-term physical euphoria are clearly the way to go.
Stop all drugs. Leave shithead friends for now, while you detox. Join a Christian Frat. Helpful environment, people who genuinely want to see you make it, minimal drugs/sex. Even if you aren't Christian, better than being loaded on drugs all the time with drug dealer friends.
My fraternity is huge (120+ guys) and most are actually pretty religious and just drink. The friends that are involved in more serious shit were neighbors in the dorms with me last year. I came to college knowing completely no one and have had great experiences with them but I do need to minimize hanging out with them. They actually aren't in fraternities at all. I'm an atheist, not hating on christianity but I just don't think that's my thing. I have a 3.00 GPA in mech engineering and plenty of normal friends, but I seem to be trying to sabotage myself. Going to take some time away from it all and focus on school (what I'm here for in the first place) and lifting. Meals are at the fraternity so I will still stop by, and I actually have brothers in my engineering classes. Just need to reassess my priorities and make better decisions.
I turn up on coffee once in a while on a weekend. I give it extra care and use my french press. Used to be a junkie and do all sorts of drinking and drugging. Third year into sobriety. Still get a bit salty with potheads telling me about how weed addiction isn't real and they just smoke every day cause they're committed and not addicted.
Rambling on, I've had several attractive GFs throughout my life, been blessed with above average intelligence, am tall and I recognize that I am so extremely fortunate to be in the position I am. Father was abusive and I had the worst self confidence for ever. The fraternity helped me open up to people but I also found myself constantly trying to get fucked up. Think my drug use, etc comes down to a lack of confidence or belief in myself really. Need to start looking towards other outlets to gain worth from and all. Not to sound like a dick but if I met a lot of channers irl they would think I was a Chad. Have hooked up with a lot of hot sorority girls, have girls constantly texting me, large following on social media (just deleted btw, felt like I was living my life for others and that the likes from pictures were giving me more satisfaction than the actual event I was at) but deep down I'm still as lost and depressed as yall. Guess I just need to chill out on the drugs and focus on whats important. Should all work out.
a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.
better stop eating protein its a drug bro.
you straight edge people are dumb. you just wanna be a special little snowflake.
Exactly this. Please tell me how being sober is not better than being high, tipsy or whatever else you fucking degenerates do. Fact of the matter is that Sober > not sober. In every fucking situation. Honestly I feel no sympathy for you losers who waste time doing drugs. Thank you so much for holding yourself back only so it is that much easier for me to be better than you in every way. Fuck off
I'm drug-free not because I find drugs morally apprehensible but because I'm a bitch. The thought of losing my mental clarity just creeps me right the fuck out. I don't even like taking NyQuil.
Degenerates and you guys will never make it. Lack of discipline and the fear of reality. You guys are so addicted that you are trying to convince strangers to use drugs while at the same time trying to say that they are harmless. lol
Hmmm let's see
>drugs increase serotonin output in my brain
>become more sociable
>be nicer to people, and kindness returned
>enjoy myself when I'm out with friends
Oh man I can't imagine how any of these things could be considered beneficial
I will admit stupid people should stay sober because they're already playing life on hard mode and drugs will simply confuse them more thsn they already are.
So you're a failure who can't cope with life unless you're doped up.
Wew fucking lad.
Haha bro, I am not going to get pissed enough at some internet argument to the point I would post pictures of myself to win an argument. I guarantee you that I am stronger, taller, better looking, and have a much brighter future than yourself. Continue trying to bring everyone down to your low-life level anon.
I get drugs are bad, fully acknowledge that. But so is sitting around posting on 4chan. We all have bad habits. And if you use drugs responsibly (safe dosage, appropriate precautions, DD/etc) you can end up having a great time socializing, etc. You moral fags sit on your high horse criticizing people smoking weed or drinking but at least they are out making friends, socializing, and enjoying their life. Everything in moderation. Seriously though quit 4chan this shit sucks your soul and will make you apathetic and unsociable af.
you still haven't figured out the argument? here i'll help you out since your mentally retarded. your definition of drug is too loose. drug applies to pretty much anything you put inside your stomach. you're taking the word drug when really you only mean extremely specific classes of drugs.
If you get an infection you better not take antibiotics because its a drug. if you take them thats definitely a sign you're weak bro. don't wanna be weak do you?
lemme guess you're like 5'5", and workout every day?
tl;dr: you have little man syndrome
You know, actually I apologize for being so mean to you guys, honestly. I don't even dislike you guys for doing drugs. I just don't want that shit in my system, of for people in my family to feel the need to take drugs. By all means do what makes you happy but do not force it on to me. We are both entitled to our opinions no matter how much we disagree with eachother.
>counter argument consists of throwing insults
Its really quite remarkable how these "sober" people still don't understand the basic principles of logic and how to prove and disprove a point.
I feel bad now. I'm being accused if short man syndrom, dudes are hating left and right. Worst of all I'm pretty sure I'm just another excuse now for people to get high. My sincerest wish for all you reading is to never feel the need to get high. To be accepted by a community that genuinely cares for you as a person and is compassionate to your beliefs.
ITT: Faggots who think people care about their cleanliness.
What do i do? I live in a country with the worst drinking culture possible(Australia), and its near impossible to meet and socialize with girls outside of clubs and parties where heavy drinking is involved