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butterflyer checking in
Triathlete checking in
Swimming is totally awesome workout
get sore from ther workouts, swimming makes it all feel better.
Sorry, I can only do half competent looking fly when wearing fins (triathlete = shitty kick)
I recently found out when I decided to get off my couch after a 5y swimming break that fly is actually super fun, but my pool hardly ever trains it (crawl crawl crawl crawl... I think the only reason fly is even brought up is so they can get us to compete in IM lmao) so I'm not even sure what I need to focus on to do it correctly. I know the question sounds kinda retarded but what is actually important, in terms of form or something I guess ?
Swimming fixed my back and made me super lean, would recommend.
Cardio that works lower AND upper body, has 0 risk of fucking your joints, has actual uses (unless you're not into sailing / fishing / diving or don't live near a sea / lake) and either gives you a reason to show off your gains or fixes your body dysmorphia.
Downside compared to running and cycling is training alone is for most people a terrible idea so it'll cost you more and your schedule might not match. But if it's not an obstacle for you I'd definitely recommend it.
Fellow butterflybrah here. I don't have the best time but i think it's decent for someone who doesn't compete anymore.
50 m 26,8s
100 m 1:02,3
I've noticed though that exercises focusing on lats and shoulders have helped with my endurance, and I won't lose speed as easily while swimming longer distances.
Am I gonna wreck my shoulders if I combine pic related with swimming, ie lifting twice a week and swimming 3x/week?
Have yet to use this, but I'm getting more interested. I usually just run on my gym's track, is it really as good or better as a cardio option? I've grown up on the water in warmer places, but I've rarely swam just for cardio
Anyone else use those foam dumbells some swim areas have set out for old people? I've been trying all kinds of different exercises underwater with them and they seem to really put resistance strain on the chest back and arms.
>is it alright to swim after lifting or will this fuck up my gainz
I would not advise you to swim right after lifting. You could swim the day after lifting, but only if you do a breezy recovery session (like swimming 500-1000 metres at low pace).
I however recommend that you leave at least 1 full day in between lifting and swimming, because your muscles need time to recover after lifting, and swimming is very intense for your entire body. It's also not really purely cardio if you do sprint or interval training. It's not like running, you could perfectly do upper body weight lifting and run the next day because there's no real overlap.
So for example, my week goes like this:
Sunday: rest or easy swim
When I hit the pool, I hit it hard though, 1600-2500 meter in full intensity sprints and intervals.
Brehs are you lying or your times are truly legit? I have almost one year of swimming. The first 8 months it all started because I had some free time and decided to learn to swim, took some classes and went to the pool two or three times a week. The rest three to four months I joined the masters team to git gud and train harder. My times are complete shit compered to yours.
This are my regular times:
25m freestyle - 17s
25m fly - 21s
50m freestyle - 36s
100m freestyle - 1:31
400m freestyle - 7:36
800m freestyle - 15:49
400m IM - 8:27
200m breastroke - 3:36
and the rest of styles I think I havent made them with time, just training without clock
Well I'm not going to lie, your times are pretty shitty. I remember not swimming for 3 years, and then swimming 2:58 for 200m breaststroke at the varsities (obviously i didn't qualify, but our uni needed more people competing for funding).
Your 25m freestyle is alright, as well as your 50 meter, but then it just goes up exponentially when you reach a 100. That shit's not logical. Based on your first 25 meter you could well finish between 1:00 and 1:10 mins. You lack endurance and strength, I suggest you hit the gym more and train strength/intervals more!
It's mostly a matter of how many years you train, anon, or maybe you haven't found the best style for you yet. My current times for the distances you mentioned (also currently in the Masters):
50m free 28
100m free 1:00
200m free 2.12
400m free 4:36
800m free 9:35
400 IM 5:13
200 Breast 2:42
Training with a clock will help you improve your pacing, keep at it!
>I know, but I can't sleep if I don't put at least 3 hours of exercise in each day. Can't even do rest days anymore.
Okay, well, just know you're not achieving maximal gains here.
>what, really? i swim atleast 3 times a week, about 45 min sessions, between lifting days but some times on same day. Is this unadviceble?
Yes. You train the same muscle groups so don't expect to make a shitload of progress when you're overtraining your muscles... Leave a day of rest in between lifting and swimming is my advice.
>As long as you eat/rest enough to compensate cardio is literally only beneficial.
I never denied cardio being beneficial. Swimming in itself is a much healthier activity than lifting weights. But ever wonder why a lot of top swimmers look like they just surpass otter mode?
Thanks anon, yeah actually we're working on endurance right now. Mainly doing long distances.
Yeah I think thats it, most of the people on the team have been swimming for over 10 years and Im still on the first one going to the second one.
Can I still achieve niggermode aesthetics if I do swimming as well as my regular workout?
What benefits can I actually get from swimming that are different to what I get from freeweights?
Guys, just getting into swimming, absolutely love it.
I just cannot breststroke and dolphin kick for the life of me, I've watched so many videos on yt to learn but I still can't do it.
149lb, 5'10, not overweight and I still can't get the rhythm down.
Go look up the Speedo videos on youtube that show technique. If that doesn't help you, try going for a personal coach. It's hard for us to tell you how to improve your style if we can't see anything. Often big improvements in style come from very minor adjustments, like the way you position your hand etc.
Swimming is just full body cardio. Do it too much and youll lose muscle just like running.
Thats why you shouldnt run cross country every week and dont run much more than 5k a week if you want to be aesthetic.
Same with swimmig dont swim for hours every day that gives you swim bod.
Do it a few times a week is fine. And shreds a bit of bf % .
No. Cardio lowers your testosterone levels and fuck up your manhood. Cardio means aerobic exercise, it is just like dumbell-benching with 5-kg dumbells. You lose your chest gains if you start to work with 5s.
Look at the 100m sprinters, and then 10000m marathoners.
Endurance is for women, they need to carry the baby, stay stood up for long times and etc.
Strength is for men. We need to hit really hard in fight, run very rapidly when chasing an animal and etc.
Go learn boxing as a cardio, climb stairs or jump ropes.
Its personal preference. Imo swimming is better for muscle recovery and its really easy on your joints if you have any kind of injury.
Unless youre training for a triatlon i cant see why you should train both. If you already have a bike it may be cheaper and easier to just hop on the bike. It also is just out of your door and youre busy instead of driving to the pool.
Why not get a day card and see how you like it?
Way to bring it to the extremes. Arnold also ran 5ks at least once a week.
Ofcourse hiit is good and boxing most definitly gets you lean. But endurance really does have it place. Just dont overdo it.
I would love to but have never swam in my life. It's pretty hard finding places that have lessons for adults with no experience. Everyone asks for little experience. The other option is one to one sessions for £25 that are 30 min each. How many lessons does it takes to get the basics right?
Fingers crossed that I find something cheap.
You're a fucking moron. Running 100m sprints won't make you look like a sprinter, fighting in an octagon won't make you look like a UFC heavyweight and running longer distances won't make you look like a malnourished african. Every aforementioned athlete INTENTIONALLY sculpts their body to be as effective as possible on their sport. Long distance runners do it by eating less and not building muscle mass.
>start swimming as main cardio
>typically swim 1 mile
>best time around 36 minutes
>talking to a friend who swims
>ask is she's going to start swimming back at the gym I'm at
>"I don't like 20m pools"
The pool is fucking 20m not 25m. So I haven't been swimming a mile. Turns out my mile time is closer to about 44 minutes.
looks comfy m8
it's nice to have as a hobby and people are always impressed
also helps get rid of a lot of the bodbuilder dismorphia shit that is so easy to come by. focusing on health is more rewarding than arm size or whatever
i only did 500m my first day with a break every 50m. Now I can do ~300m stretches for a total of ~2km. And I've only been doing it 3weeks. It is all about getting over that mental barrier of nearly drowning and pacing yourself. Also, look up form videos on youtube. They help.
Lel. Been there myself as well.
Yeah starting to swim is like hitting a brick wall at first, but your condition will improve greatly very fast.
That depends, every second stroke is used for swimming butterfly long distance and every stroke is for sprinting
TriGuy again. To clarify, I can actually do butterfly with fins on, and yes, it is joy. Not effortless, but a blast.
Without fins, its just flailing around for me.
With triathlon, there is less incentive to work on your kick. You race in a wetsuit, so you only need kick to roll, not for speed. wetsuit puts you in right position, so you dont kick much, save legs for rest of race.
What stroke maximizes my upper body gains? Is it a problem if I just use a snorkel to breathe with other than looking like a total faggot? I don't care about learning to control my breathing and shit nigga I just want some cardio and gainz
Think about it
how do we savage the twits who say, dont tell me about snappin my shit, I dont want to hear about form, I just want squats and deads for gainz.
its all part of the process man. Do the form right, get the gainz
filthy free style casual reporting in
I've started swimming again because I want to get back into Water Polo in my uni but idk the people there are so much better than me and i haven't played seriously in almost a year. What do