>>35728286 Having muscles and flexibility is the best way to grow old in good health. Most elderly people do well until they fall, break their hip, and then waste away in the hospital, or get sick there. Muscles and mobility will preven that.
>>35728360 >less likely to get injured  >better circulation  and there are way better ways to achieve this like foam rolling >better joints due to more fluid movement >more fluid movement You best be trollin >better posture you don't need to be mobile to have good posture >more functional in general how is being able to do a split functional?
I'm not doing your research for you. How about you take like a year 1 anatomy or physiology course. Better yet, go talk to ANY sports medicine doctor, physio/physical therapist etc.
We're not talking about the splits idiot. Mobility/flexibility in general. Honestly I'm pretty offended that you're this stupid like really? There's a reason every sport/athlete in the world basically mobility, and it's not just to 'show off'.
Proper natural posture is the product of flexibility and ONLY flexibility. You can try to strain to force good posture, but you will not maintain without being flexibile.
all right so just so you illiterate fucks understand, im talking about mobility at the level of being able to do a fucking split. not being able to tie your shoelaces you retards >those healtgy joints at age 70 you don't need to be able to do a split to have healthy joints at 70 >that low injury rate  >that athleticism retarded buzzword >that ability to adapt to new sports sure, if you want to be ready to do taekwondo or olympic lifting all the time then yeah go ahead and keep stretching. but 99% of people wont do sports that require flexibility to that level >that well rounded not onesided athletic body again, meaningless buzzwords.
i hope you die being a weak fuck >but at least i squat 225 ayteegee!!1 >>35728440 i didnt say it gives better circulation, i said there are ways that are smarter in general that give better circulation
>>35728457 >Better yet, go talk to ANY sports medicine doctor, physio/physical therapist etc. yeah, cause physios are ALWAYS correct. nice authority fallacy. >We're not talking about the splits idiot i specifically mentioned the splits in my first post. my point was all based on mobility beond the level of being able to tie your shoelaces >There's a reason every sport/athlete in the world basically mobility has anyone ever been as far as decided to go even look like? >Proper natural posture is the product of flexibility and ONLY flexibility no, its a matter of strength and being aware of good posture because if your posture is limited by your flexibility, forcing good posture acts as a stretch itself.
flexibility work in the absence of a flexibility problem is a waste of training time. IOW, stretch solves a specific problem, and is not an automatic a part of an effective exercise program. -Mark Rippetoe
>>35728468 you might have said that in your mind but that is not what you said, accept that.
also what you are arguing is basically that being a contortionist isnt very beneficial to your health as an exageration. no shit the splits wont make you more healthy but flexibility will. nice strawman i guess unless someone was actually arguing that the splits makes you a healthy human. nice one.
btw buzzword is a buzzword too and you arent actually disputing anything. hopeless idiot niceeee
>>35728331 You avoid falling in the first place >>35728492 >>>35728457 >>Better yet, go talk to ANY sports medicine doctor, physio/physical therapist etc. >yeah, cause physios are ALWAYS correct. nice authority fallacy. Nice fallacy fallacy, you retarded turdburglar.
>>35728514 you might think that i said that in your mind but that is not what i said, accept that.
buzzword is a buzzword for sure but its not like "athleticism" means anything concrete. it's useless as an argument so there's no point in arguing against it. >>35728529 >You avoid falling in the first place and how does flexibility help in that? >Nice fallacy fallacy, you retarded turdburglar. most of the physios or sports doctors base their knowledge on stupid shit from the 50s. there are no studies to support that flexibility prevents injury unless it prevents proper technique in the sport. the thing is, most sports are not affected by flexibility (unless you're 90 years old and a cant tie your shoelaces) and the sports that are maintain that flexibility cause the sport itself acts as an stretch. you dont need to stretch to be able to squat, for example, because you squat with the bar alone for warmup and that acts as a dynamic stretch. >>35728531 >>35728548 i could remove the name but that wouldnt change the argument at all. i just thought its a good way to get my point through - there are some benefits to some amount of flexibility, but it's overrated. >>35728540 >Im meming! its not like the sentence made any sense >if you cant sit in a certain position because of horrible mobility just sit in the position, duh! nice strawman. if flexibility restricts a certain position, why wouldnt straining to get into that certain position act as a stretch? besides, 99% of people with bad posture CAN get into that good posture. it's a matter of being able to hold that position, and that's due to weakness.
>>35728571 >stubborn because he wont accept his bad wording >athlrticism entails ability to be active without trouble >without basic flexibility you cant get into positions thatvprevent you from falling >you just proved that flexibility is needed >most people arent active and their bodies become stiff and unusable >you are in these scenarios everybody has an "athletic" level of flexibility dont come back with that bullshit about im arguing about the splits because literally no one here thinks the splits help you.
>strawman strawman! buzzbuzz, it isnt. you said that if someone cant sit in a position to just sit in that position. if someone is unable to and forces themselves into it then it isnt an effective stretch. honestly i dont know, i hear the chinese force children into splits so maybe it is effective
>>35728698 >stubborn because he wont accept his bad wording i accept that i worded badly >athlrticism entails ability to be active without trouble 99% of people are flexible enough to be active without trouble >without basic flexibility you cant get into positions thatvprevent you from falling that's really fucking basic flexibility, like you wouldn't be able to pick something off the ground level inflexibility. again, of course you need _some_ flexibility or you couldn't move a single muscle, but that's not my point. >their bodies become stiff and unusable so the solution is to become active, not stretching >to just sit in that position. i never said "to just sit in that position", i said to strive to get yourself to that position >forces themselves into it then it isnt an effective stretch why not? the force comes from the muscles antagonistic to the muscle thats being stretched
>>35728733 >accepted it >said no you accept it >no they are not, trouble is incredibly broad and can be miniscule things >some people dont have the flexibility to contirt the body from falling in an awkward position >being active gives you flexibility because while heing active you are stretching you said to strain and you didnt clarify to work towars it, you just said sit in the position
i dont know much about bodies but if you force yourself to touch your toes when you cant touch your toes i think bad things happen
you also said earlier basically that if you cant move you cant do anything so like that is retarded.
>>35728857 >some people dont have the flexibility to contirt the body from falling in an awkward position bullshit >while heing active you are stretching what? >you said to strain and you didnt clarify to work towars it whats the difference? >i dont know much about bodies but if you force yourself to touch your toes when you cant touch your toes i think bad things happen thats only one, very specific example. cant be generalized like that. and if you keep your back straight, nothing bad will happen. >ou also said earlier basically that if you cant move you cant do anything so like that is retarded. what?
>>35728893 the human body can get into many weird positions, I wouldnt say bullshit but unlikely.
being active=stretching your body
stretching isnt suppose to be a strain, it is a light tug on your body.
prove it, do the splits right now. it's not generalized it is an exaggerated position becauze if someone is unable to get into that position it is most likely not good for them.
you said if you dont have any flexibility then you cant move any muscles. that is like me saying if i dont have fingers then i cant put my finger in my nose. i just wanted to point out how retarded that is
>>35728893 >>>35728857 >>i dont know much about bodies but if you force yourself to touch your toes when you cant touch your toes i think bad things happen >thats only one, very specific example. cant be generalized like that. and if you keep your back straight, nothing bad will happen. >if you keep your back straight Do you know what 'force yourself' means?
>if you drive really fast, you'll probably get into an accident if you have no proper experience driving fast >bullshit, if you drive at a normal pace, nothing bad will happen
>>35728952 >stretching isnt suppose to be a strain, it is a light tug on your body. im not saying to strain the muscle that is stretched. strain wasnt really the best word, strive would be better. >prove it, do the splits right now. i cant but i dont see the problem of gradually working to a split. the principle is the same in forcing good posture except most people CAN get themselves into that good posture. it's a matter of holding that posture, unless you have structural issues. > i just wanted to point out how retarded that is that's my point.
>>35729007 You arent good at communicating, ok. I knew that from the start but cmon.
so if i pull my hamstrings trying to touch my toes but my backvis straight errything will be aight
no, your point was that if you cant pick something off the ground then you cant contort your body into awkward positions. a point of yours that has no relevancy to that is you saying you need gas for a car to work. what we were talking about is how good the tires are
>>35729133 >so if i pull my hamstrings trying to touch my toes why would you pull your hamstrings trying to touch your toes? >your point was that if you cant pick something off the ground then you cant contort your body into awkward positions it was just an example, but the point is _very_ few people are too inflexible to not be able to fall safely
it's not about 'falling safely' it's about the aftermath of the broken bone, or pulled muscle, etc that will leave an elderly person potentially bedridden for weeks or months on end, which would decrease flexibility. If one were to be immobile already at the point of becoming bedridden, they're going to be EXTREMELY immobile after mending a broken hip or other bone for over a month, especially at old ages.
I know from experience that PT on an individual over 65 can take extremely long times for minimal results, which can cause some patients to just give up and stay laying around until they are 1. stuck in a bed or 2. just dont care about living and refuse to eat so they die
Splits look stupid and feminine. Why would a guy want any of that? Stretching beyond being able to touch your toes standing is worthless. And pre-lifting stretching decreases your muscle strength by like 10%. Fuck that shit.
>>35729372 That's definitely wrong, because a lot of people have been knocked out by roundhouses. I don't think you have an accurate understanding of what a roundhouse kick actually is. It's just a kick 'forwards' using a hip and trunk twist and following through with the leg. It doesn't need to be swung in a wide, obvious circle. Please don't try and comment on the effectiveness of something you are obviously ignorant of.
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