SARMs General

>>35645635
Garbage. Just lift.
/thread

>>35645648
>input from guy who's never used sarms

>>35645635
You curious about trying anything specific?

>>35645872
Lgd-4033
Not OP btw

>>35645635
lgd/mk677 is a good two month run. looking for info on rad 140

Cardarine. Yay nay

>>35645894
hear its good for cardio/endurance

>>35645880
>>35645882
Is blueskypepride a legit sarm company?

>>35645880
That's the best choice IMO. Running it right now myself. What are your plans? Know your dose?

>>35645904
i used ceretropic. not familiar with blue sky

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>>35645902
See, that's what I've heard as well, which is what I'm looking for.

But I have NO idea where the fuck to find legit cardarine

I offer this to anyone that can point me in a helpful direction

>>35645904
>>35645906
Ditto for ceretropic

>>35645919
sorry man no clue where to find.
anyone got info on RAD?

>>35645916
Ive heard that site is soso
Good vials and bad vial

>>35645960
ceretropic is legit. on their mk/lgd and tri dermal for two months then their torem with DAA as pct

>>35645975
>>35645983
never used their injectables. they stopped carrying GH peptides from what i can tell anyway

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>>35645635
I'm about to try lgd 4033,will post results after cycle is done. Bulking @ 3000 cals 6ft tall

>>35645998
Ok im going to check them out.
How long does a vial last if i take 5mgs every day

>>35646031
vial of what?

>>35646035
>>35646031
if you mean lgd, their vials are 4 weeks worth at 10 mg/day, which is what im running.

>>35645961
I've seen good reviews on sarmssearch

>>35645983
Yeah they come up in every LGD thread. But why both torem and DAA? I was planning on running just torem, which some would even say is unnecessary.

>>35646051
^^^^^
>>35646035
Yes lgd
So two vials would be a decent cycle
4 weeks on
4 weeks off
4 weeks on

>>35646062
im on 10 mg ED and im also on tri dermal so i figure better to be safe.

plus it makes me blow big loads

>>35646072
well if you only want 5/mg ED then one vial would be two months

>>35646085
>>35646085
>>35646051
>>35645983
Do you see any differences or feel any while on lgd?

>>35646076
Ha. Glorious. I'm taking half that

>>35646098
feel a bit more energized but not really any aggresson. i did just switch to a bodyweight routine since i dont have time for gym rn and ive still made gains, so i'd say its more a physical change.

>>35646123
its been shown to be supressive at 1mg ed. me personally id rather be safe.

>>35646128
Im gonna get some and change from P.H.A.T to Texas Method for that change in pace. Hopefully it gives some strength and size

>>35646140
Yeah but that was the study on rats. Human trials showed no suppression. But I agree, running torem just to be safe

>>35645635
All the sides of actual steroids possibly worse given our limited knowledge on them with 0.2% of the gains. They are retarded the only good one is s4 which should be used as a bridge between cycles of actual steroids

>>35646169
nice. i ran 30 mg/ed of ostarine (although a possibly shitty source) while i still lifted and made gains

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>tfw have gw 50156 sitting in a cart just waiting for me to buy it
>just wanting me to buy it

ECH

>>35646172
link to human study?
>>35646174
u salty af desu

>>35646174
s4 is the only sarm with sides

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I'm planning on starting mk 677. Any thoughts, experiences, suggestions ?

>>35646200
I'm not salty I just hate seeing people half ass it and take bigger risk with no where near the benefits of running actual test

Can anyone explain what this thread is about?

>>35646227
it will make you hungry af but will heal joints. deeper sleep if taken at night. some tingling/numbness in hands.

>>35646229
what risks? its safer than tren or high test

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>>35645635

>>35646252
That's my point this stuff haven't been researched enough who knows what future side effects you'll get not to mention it won't take you past your natural limit so they are entirely pointless just eat right and train or take gear

>>35646242
Limit on how long I can stay on? And once I come off I don't have to worry about taking anything right

>>35646200
Can't find it but I'm drunk. Maybe you'll have better luck. The one I did find tested 1mg with no suppression but there are more studies

Did some mk-2866 in the past things went ok. Might try some lgd soon or just a stronger mk-2866 cycle.

>>35646233
Never mind. I see.

>>35646252
From what i understand your junk will shrink quick as fuck on it, id rather fuck my liver than have my junk shrink.

>>35646270
interesting that RAD crosses blood brain barrier. prob will be my next cycle

>>35645919
I'd go with geopeptides dude. Cheaper than most sites with the deals they always have, very fast shipping, and I've always gotten great quality from all my orders over the last couple years

>>35646311
Do your research if you're interested though

LGD/ostarine have pretty good risk/return ratios, desu.

Dose dependent suppression, tendon strengthening, bone strengthening, muscle gain.

Its not mind blowing gainz. Definitely better than natural, and LGD at 10mg/day made me able to recover from a shit load more volume, even sets of heavy triples/doubles.

>>35646332
id rather have shrunken junk than shrunk junk and a fucked liver. besides thats what the daa and torem is for
>>35646294
>1mg
like i said, being on 10 mg ed means better safe than sorry imo
>>35646280
but taking aas has been demonstrated to have negative long term effects, whereas sarms are tolerated in the young, elderly, and immunocompromised; ie the risks are much lower. not looking to be xboxhuge anyway so i dont mind the extra boost

>>35646356
>geopeptides
holy shit they have gw 501516 for a THIRD of the cost of sarmssearch

Holy fuck

>>35646287
ive heard of people being on for as long as a year or more. im only on 2 months, and no, no pct/crash is to be expected

just started my ostarine cycle last monday @ 20mg ed. I haven't really noticed much yet. I get occasional sweats through the day and headaches though. got it from uniquemicals

>>35646380
For sure. I'm taking torem as well so I'm not anti-pct. Just wanted some of your sweet-sweet knowledge

>>35645635
I just found out about SARMs and I'm curious as to anyone's experiences with LGD-4033 vs YK11 for bulking?

Is there a big difference in quality between research grade SARMs, and these new LGD and Osta products that all the supp companies are putting out now?

Is all the supplement-grade stuff bunk and spiked with prohormones?

Buddy of mine ordered a bottle of what was supposedly a GW-501516-containing product a while back (Cardarine by Primeval Labs, and yea i know, GW isn't a sarm)
When he got it, GW wasn't listed anywhere on the bottle, all it said in the ingredients section was "Cardarine"... which doesn't actually mean anything, it's just an industry buzz term for GW.... Anyway, shit seemed pretty shady.

baka desu senpai

>>35646635
>primeval labs

>>35646635
dont know what to make of supp grade stuff either. lab/vial grade is better

I'm on about week 1.5 of lgd-4033 from ceretropic at 5mg a day along with an old bottle of epistane at 54mg a day (18mg x 3). Steady strength increase and I'm noticing more veins in random spots that I haven't seen before like the quads. Gonna pct with lower dose ostarine and nolva or just overlap and bridge/kickstart it into a test cruise because yolo.

>>35646635
THIS is the question. And I really wish I had an answer. I've been using LGD from ceretropic for over a week now and I'll post my log when I'm through, but that is my concern. No doubt there is a quality difference, but the least I can do is provide some anecdotal feedback to those who are interested. Wish I could do more, but I'm not a scientist, I'm an electrician.

>>35646780

Yea. I have also tried LGD from a supplement company. Strength gains were decent for a couple weeks and then bam! Right-side amdominal pain followed by pale shits in the 3rd week. Not good. Something was fishy.

My (probably bullshit) theory, is that with the prohormone ban of 2014, lots of these companies wound up sitting on large quantities of raws that they couldn't sell, and they're now liquidating it by dusting it into their newer products.

>>35646926
I'm open-minded, but that's a huge conclusion to jump to

>>35646012
Add in mk677. Lgd is super slow acting. I couldn't tell if I was just putting on weight because of the raging appetite until I added mk

Why would I take SARMs that have been around for 5yrs when I can take steroids that have been around for 100yrs & have better documented side effects & more consistent information freely available on them. Not to mention steroids produce way better results. All because you're afraid of a needle probably.

>>35646997
which steroid does what cardarine does?

>>35647006

Not a sarm.

But yeah, you are right.

Next cycle, stacking LGD with test. Should be a lot better.


>>35645635

Disregard S-4, disregard GW, Disregard Osta/MK2866 unless you're a women.

>>35645882
>>35645904

LGD is great. Jury is out on RAD140, it work to some extent, don't know if better than LGD or not, if it's not better than the higher price isn't worth it over LGD.

Dunno but ceretropic is.

>>35646174
Absolute rubbish. I've done both. LGD has good gains, but from as far as I can tell doesn't prevent fat gain as much.

>>35646200
>>35646229

Humans have suppression from blood work shown at the doses we use, it's not that bad, its only test suppression, LH and FSH remain intact, its different to roid shut down, even recovery with no PCT is rapid.

It's not a bigger risk its a much smaller risk.

>>35646280
You understand wrong.

http://ir.vikingtherapeutics.com/download/VK5211-SCWD+2015+Poster.pdf

Safety has been satisfied at extreme dosages. Current trials are being run on humans looking at effectiveness for recovering from hip fracture.

>>35646502
LGD works well, haven't tried YK11. YK11 however is steroidal in structure, so a steroidal sarm. It'll probably shut down FSH and LH in that regard.

>>35646997
Which steroids came out in 1916?

Which steroids don't shut down LH and FSH?

Which oral steroids aren't liver toxic and orally bioavailable?

Which steroids are selective for tissue, and don't have androgenic sides?

Test over 200mg iirc stops or reduces the progression of tendon strength. LGD does not.

Ayo hol up

Which SARM should I take to get lean?

>>35647247
None of them are very good for getting lean.

>>35647247
None of them promote direct lipolysis some of the steroids do iirc (I dont know about RAD140), but afaik LGD is currently the strongest, so that would be the go to choice.

If you cut calories on that or PSMF, it'll be more muscle sparing then the others.

>>35647310
mmm.

Think Imma grab some cardarine and just do lodsa cardio

>>35647184
We've been studying testosterone since the 1800s. SARMs have only been around about 5yrs, we simply do not know all the possible long term effects. It is a gamble. We could find out it produces symptoms like HGH does, such as palumboisms. What's your point with oral steroids? You're just proving my point that you're biased towards SARMs/oral steroids because you're afraid of a needle, even though its the safest route.

>>35646987
Thanks for the top. I'll do that

I stack GW with my Clen. Great alternative to T3 if you aren't willing to jump on test to avoid muscle wasting.

https://www.isarms.com/sarms#History_of_SARM
>The development of steroidal SARMs started in the 1940’s with modifications made to the testosterone molecule.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907129/

>While steroidal SARMs have been around since the 1940s, a number of nonsteroidal SARMs that do not serve as substrates for CYP19 aromatase or 5α-reductase, act as full agonists in muscle and bone and as partial agonists in prostate are in development. The differing interactions of steroidal and nonsteroidal compounds with AR contribute to their unique pharmacologic actions. Ligand binding induces specific conformational changes in the ligand binding domain, which could modulate surface topology and protein-protein interactions between AR and coregulators, resulting in tissue-specific gene regulation. Preclinical studies have demonstrated the ability of SARMs to increase muscle and bone mass in preclinical rodent models with varying degree of prostate sparing. Phase I trials of SARMs in humans have reported modest increments in fat-free mass.

>>35645919
Did a long cycle of Cara daring and andarine. It helped but not by much. I think andarine made my night vision permanently a little worse.

I'm srs

Can someone explain SARMs to me? Are they like steroids? If so, how do they have no side effects? What's the route of administration?

>>35648475
non-steroidal SARMs are non-steroidal. Meaning they dont have the steroidal chemical structure.

They're selective for where they bind to androgen receptors in the body. Oral administration.

They dont aromatise, so dont have estro effects, since they dont bind to the ER.

They bind to the AR in all places in the body strongly in some places, and extremely weakly in others. So only have action in the places they do bind, like muscle, bone, ligaments etc.

The places where they bind weakly has less action than your natty hormone levels.

>>35648504
Martial arts guy here let's say I take this for 4 months straight and clean bulk then cut will I see any results competing?

>>35648561
Am also curious