The cheating frauds general for the discussion of steroid stuff generally
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>we need to remember to make threads edition
>tfw no qt gf to pin you edition
I only have access to stanozolol.
Would it be a good beginner cicle if I did 2ml per week, while cutting? there is no sticky for steroids, so I don't know... I'm dyel skinnyfat mode, I was a soccerfag.
If not, what should I rather do (keep in mind, I have never used steroids and I only have access to stanozolol, and I'm skinnyfat as fuck now).
5'11 330 king of fatlets here, 385x1 dl, 315x2 squat 295x1 bench and 205x1 ohp.
Considering using clen for weightloss.
When it comes down to dieting, I always struggle and end up stopping counting calories. I tried to do it counting portions and that worked for a while but I stopped too. I am going to start counting portions again.
I workout 4x a week at least so I'm active, it all comes down to diet.. I'm always afraid i won't eat enough to maintain my muscle mass
Please advise me on the matter (clen or not?I tried eca but felt nothing, probably didn't do it properly), I'm at a loss here, my depression is coming back and I don't want to stop losing weight.
Apologies for English, not my native language
i accidentally liked a girl i'm acquainted with on okcupid. she was wearing facepaint so i really didnt know it was her. then i was looking at her summary and it said her name was taylor and i realized it and i was like oh fuck. the next time she logs on she could see i liked her. but i didn't un-like her just in case she sees i liked her and messages me, and the miniscule probably of that is still balanced by the happiness i would have if it happened.
dating websites make me want to kill myself
Got a question... i'm on legit TRT sust250 e2w planning on blasting 600 test-e 12weeks and 4weeks dbol..... now my docter test every 6 months my plan is to start the blast right after he takes my bloodtest so that would mean 3 months on cycle 3 months on TRT would bloods be normal again then ?
Just roll with it. That's not bad at all.
My ex just went on a date with my fuckbuddy's ex. She said he was lame though and he didn't make a move. I was railing my fuckbuddy within 30 minutes of having met up. Lmao
Sarms are legit. You will get real results from sarms.
Is 2ml per week too little dosage tho?
Or is it enough to get some gains while in a cut? I just want a break from the skinny fat dilemma
Here I Googled it just for you
Next time use your basic search functions before ask easily searched questions
What length is a good length for a 600mg a week tren e cycle? I'm wondering if my idea is too short.
Get tired of folks saying things like "clen's not that great/useful/etc." It's not useful if your diet is shit and everything else about you is shit.
This is my number one PITA for this new steroid culture that evolved with that piece of shit zyzz... a bunch of lazy fucking parasites shooting themselves with underdosed couple with eating and training like shit, then crying that nothing works.
Once upon a time gear was actually accurately dosed, used by people who understood their goals, and new how to feed themselves and train with correct intensity. Over the space of about 16 years I've watched it become nothing more than the male version of a cosmetic counter for a bunch of fat, insecure faggots.
Most cunts here wouldn't even know what adequately dosed gear feels like, nor would you have to use up to 1g per week to see results.
Fuck all of you.
Are you 16 or you've been roiding for 16 years? Either way you sound like a bitch. You either too old or you too young. Get to stepn.
lol at your rant
Firstly he said he doesn't diet so telling him not to use clen and focus on diet is what I said and from what you said what you think he should do too
And you must be new here we often talk about how much better good gear is than other shit. Key example is vet tren vs China tren or pharma AI vs shit AI
So fuck you and get the fuck out
SARMs work, specifically, LGD-4033 works well, there's some stronger shit that's had research done on it too, but not available on the grey market.
LGD on it's own didn't prevent much fat gain, but lifts go up, volume way up, gains faster, etc.
Depends where you live re the money thing, here in Ausland, LGD is good value vs roids, as roids are much more expensive. In the U.S. it may be more expensive than a simple test cycle.
dumbbell benching feels healthier but my db bench is weak as fuck
i can lift much heavier with a barbell
and my chest is lagging
what should i do? would my chest be bigger if i did barbell since i can lift heavier weights with it?
brazilian chic does a lot of weird chit in bed
including some sort of reverse missionary position
i'm on my back and she's in between my legs fucking my cock
tfw it seems like a lady boy is fucking me when i look down
flat bb bench + heavy weighted chest dips + incline bb bench
I lift and program pl style and my chesticles are still pretty decent, bench is 375 and I do 3x8 4plate chest dips
wider grip arched pl style benching is also going to be safer and better for your shoulders, you don't over-rotate your humeral heads so your rotator cuffs stay happier
yolo I've got some Axio stuff you might be interested in. What you're using and what you should be using, short esters though. About 5 vials of each I think. You interested? Where can I get you at?
It's okay. It's the first nigress he didn't have to pay to fuck since babymama and will probably be the last for a long time.
You want to email? Not sure if we'll get banhammer for talking about these legal peptides and prohormones. Got a disposable?
Just checked stock, it's not as much as I thought. Will give more deets
Rich is pinning his delts.
Seems unlikely he would pin through collagen or synthol.
Rich confirmed for greatest 3D delts?
>get some ON! casein chocolate protein
>slow digesting shit means I can actually drink shitloads of soymilk + casein shakes and fully utilize it, unlike whey which you just piss out even with grams of roids
Fuck me mates, this shit is so thick and chocolatey and gooey!
It's like drinking a frosty milkshake, except you get 400 calories and 55g protein instead of shitloads of fat.
I'm 18. What would happen if I started a cycle of 350 grams of test for 12 weeks and then cycled off forever?
Bloods look a little unstable, might need to make sure you run a good ai.
Not if you do it the proper way.
>not taking AI
>That's shit. For that many calories I can get 100g of protein
don't exaggerate you faggotlord.
Yeah I can eat chicken breast or ham and get 80-90g protein per 400 calories, but that shit is nasty.
watched phenomena and labyrinth yesterday, jennifer connelly is such a qt
please don't attack my feeble mind, with your exceptional grammar
I need to actually screencap some of those rants so I save myself time and effort
Always 2 weeks on 2 weeks off or maybe 1 week off 2 weeks on depending how fast you feel that you recovered. Clen loses its effect if you stay on longer than 2 weeks and just makes it a waste of money and stress on your cardiovascular system for no added benefit
if you're natty
You forget we have the added benefit of external stimuli for those receptors with all the steroids we use
run gear and T3 and you can continue for however long, but if you need it for 6 weeks you're not lean enough to be requiring it IMO
You will gain some muscle, your best bet for 350 grams would be acquiring raws and then making your own oils, because it will be very expensive to buy from a regular store or dealer
Hmm, time will tell probably.
If my muscle dysmorphia tells me to stop.
It's easier to quite if you're cycling imo.
Cant imagine how you feel when you come off, after years of bnc.
I thought JM comes off after 3 years of bnc. not?
So I am somewhat seriously considering giving sterioids a shot. Have been in not horrible but not fantastic shape in the past (like 115kg 5x3 squat/deadlift at 80kg) and coming of a hiatus now after having acquired a homegym, currently i'm at 77~kg, like 16% bodyfat according to self measured calipers and like 90kg squat/DL 5x3. 27 years old.
Obviously I am far away from my 'genetic' potential (which I assume will take like 1.5 or more years to reach) but on the other hand feel like if I am going to do this, the age to do it is now. Probably by the time I reach 35 or something I might be looking to settle down and start a family or some shit so if I ever am going to do this and reap the full benefits it would seem the time is sometime soon.
Doing steroids before reaching max potential seems to have 3 main drawbacks,
One comes down to knowing your body and understanding fitness and nutrition well. The second has to do with a higher bodyfat% leading to a higher probability of worse side effects. And the third has to do with the body generally not being able to keep up with the muscle strength gains and you risk damages to joints bones etc.
Though you can always know more I think I am doing ok in the fitness/nutrition knowledge and experience department, and should be able to get my bodyfat down to an acceptable level. So the main concern would be gaining too much strength for the rest of the body to keep up.
I have to travel in early June, so say I time it so my cycle ends then, which would mean starting it in mid march. Will I be able to reach an acceptable fitness level before this, assuming during my cycle I listen to my body and don't push too hard if I notice any danger signs, or am I shooting myself in the foot and asking for permanent injuries by doing this?
Do you have a current body picture?
How does your diet look atm?
>Will I be able to reach an acceptable fitness level before this
Depending how much effort you put in.
Why do ppl always ask how long it takes to achieve a certain goal? The more you put in, the more results you get.
>What roids do i take to become like this guy?
>is this guy natty?
>what happens if i take 3 grams of test
It's not all about roids.
>dead lift 80kg
>wants to roid
>can't even lift
You got unbanned yet ? Miss your trolling bro
Also the more WORK and EFFORT you put it, the better. Not the more roids. Both have to go hand in hand though, can't have roids and no work and vice versa
I was unbanned and right after that i was banned for ban evasion? I don't understand. I think the mods are trolling me right now, kek.
Yes, exactly how you say it. It's just that easy.
No rocket science
gotta lay low on the trolling. They're after me
Have you seen the aging of Rich piana. Shit scares the fuck out of me.
This picture is 2 years of difference.
Aren't you guys scared for that aging shit roiding can cause
No current body picture and can't take right now. Height is 1.83cm. And my diet is very clean and what I am least worried about. Make 95% what I eat myself, and pretty much never have a cheat meal/snacks, generally don't drink (pretty much only drink water and shakes).
Obviously I am still very weak and could make big gains over the year or so going natural, but it seems like the main reason for waiting for me outside of 'proving your worth' before you enter the world of steroids is to avoid avoid joint/bone injuries etc which is something that seems like it should be manageable?
Part of the reason why I am interested in this is just not the physical boost, sex drive has also been very low for like over a year (even given proper nutrition/working out) which has made most of life seem pretty fucking boring.
this is why I'm scared to running anything other than test. I really want to try halo and tren for that dere strength but don't' want to look 5 years older when I come out on the other side
Are you willing to do what it takes?
Might be because of miscommunication? One dude unbanned you while the other didn't know and banned you again thinking you were evading a ban
Mods been raging with age bans lately as well
Meant to say my deadlift/squat was at 115kg when I was at 80kg. Which is still not impressive but oh well.
Also not what my stats are now. which is 90 kg squat/DL at 77kg bw Though I guess my 5x3 max is closer to 100/100 range, I just started somewhere very low a while ago and increased by 2.5 every work out since then.
If you have a decent base, enough knowlegde regarding to nutrition and training, i see no reason not to use it.
>sex drive has also been very low for like over a year
You might have low test? i dunno.
I would only take steroids to gain muscle not only for the mental effects.
You can also be content in life without using steroids, trust me. Otherwise seek medicial help and no help in steroids.
So test doens't cause this? That's good.
Yeah. i think so too. Most logical explanation
Yeah, okay, but still. You can also see it in other videos.
WHATEVER IT TAKES
That's good enough for me
Went to a party last night
Got 2 grill's snapchat and another one's number
This girl was 6'1 minumum in her boots and tried to tell me she was only 5'10. Like nah, you're the tallest person in this room don't lie to me like that.
She said that I was a big guy and asked if I was at the college for sports
>she noticed the gains in the dark, while I'm in a black Hoodie
Never been with a girl taller than me. I guess I'm gonna have to try it
fine fine and you?
make any girls pregnant yet?
The mods are the fatsos at plg.
It all makes sense.
Yeah thats what I am thinking too, so I guess the original post boils down to what would be considered a 'decent base' in terms of having an acceptably low risk of injuries because of lacking base.
Also don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with my life and expecting steroids to fix it.
I am not depressed (never have been) and generally content with my life. Its just in my early 20's I was a needy out of shape jobless highschool dropout and overall loser/typical /b/tard, yet still somehow managed to have ok success with girls making life a lot more fun. Now I am much more confident, my professional life is going great, I am in better (though by no means great) shape and am attending college so there is a lot of attractive girls around (a few even openly showing interest.) But I just don't really have any drive to pursue right now, which doesn't make me unhappy, just bored and feels like its not how I want the rest of my 20s to be.
I did check my Test which put me in the lower end of acceptable/normal I believe (15.5 nmol/L Range 7.6-31.4)
it's fun, trust
okay, I'm going to be completely honest
your lifts are maybe half of what they should be for you to even consider gear, and you're fairly underweight considering how much bf% you're saying and how much you probably actually have
train right, eat right, sleep right
the holy trinity can and will take you very, very far before aas even enter into consideration
Hmm, makes sense indeed.
plg is cheating. They can't handle the heat.
>I was a needy out of shape jobless highschool dropout and overall loser/typical /b/tard
>Now I am much more confident, my professional life is going great, I am in better (though by no means great) shape.
>am attending college so there is a lot of attractive girls around
>But I just don't really have any drive to pursue right now, which doesn't make me unhappy
So, you wanna take roids to impress some girls?
I thought you said you had enough confidence already?
the contradiction is strong breh.
Just be honest/straight with me now.
Don't do this. Fucking fraud is a bunch of druggies jesus.
Just count calories dude, incorporate cardio, in HIIT if you can.
If you can't cut because you don't have the "willpower" you definitely should not be fucking around with shortcuts.
>Cant make a pregnant girl pregnant m8
I was talking in general.
Dont be too serious breh.
You're 330 pounds and worried about under eating? lmao
Just get your daily protein adjusted for lean body mass and eat as little as you can. You should have enough fat to last you a while. You can even do a shit ton of cardio on days you don't lift.
Gear is going to be tricky since test gets converted to estrogen by fat. You'll also get loose skin most likely.
It really depends on how fast you want to lose weight. Gear or not your still going to eventually have to cut. Otherwise go hang out on plg and stay natty.
psmf is legit. If the dude's asking about clen then dnp is a better shortcut.
Either way the dude's going to be doing it a long time starting at 330. You're going to be feeling hungry and lethargic a long time to get anywhere normal.
Not trying to argue or say you are wrong but would you mind explaining why? Mainly trying to understand what the benefit is of waiting.
From my understanding regardless of what happens after the first cycle (e.g it becomes a lifestyle/more cycles, or stops at just the one) it's likely not going to have a major impact on long term consequences whether I do my first cycle in 2 months, or a year from now. So logically from my perspective it would seem like if I am ever going to do it, the trade-off of faster progress, and assuming it is an overall positive influence in my life, the benefit of starting sooner, outweigh the potential negatives.
So does it mainly just boil down to the fact that if I am not closer to the best shape I can be, I probably don't know for sure whether this is right or not for me?
Say if you (assuming you are an experienced user/in great shape) by slipping into a coma or some other magic got sent back to similar physical condition/(age?) as mine. Would you still go natural for 1 year before starting again?
i think the waiting thing is just bullshit people trying to justify why they slaved away for 2 years trying to reach their natty limit when they could have done it in months if they roided up right away.
Not to impress girls no. Though surely that is one of the main reason why people use roids outside of competition?
The point I was trying to make is that even if I am a lot more 'impressive' to girls now than I was, the low sex drive leads me to not want to impress a girl or pursue if she is 'impressed', hence making my life more boring and somewhat reducing motivation for everything.
Personally wouldn't go that far, and can respect the fact that this should not be something you take lightly or jump into on a whim. Especially with the amount of teenagers who show up and seem to ignore the risk they are putting their hormonal system in.
But assuming it would be an overall positive thing in my life, and that I start with it when close in on the 'genetic potential'. I have a hard time seeing how the benefits of starting sooner would not outweigh the minor increased risks if properly managed.
Mostly it's like this;
oats + 6 eggs / some fruit
chicken+ rice + broccoli
chicken+ rice + broccoli
lean meat + rice + broccoli
sometimes fish / salmon
I don't count anything desu. I just estimate eveything.
I cook almost everyday and when i need to prep i just make some more food when i'am cooking. Mostly make a shit ton of food at once. My gf also cooks for me, to make it a bit easier.
You can also make everything on sunday and freeze it.
On sunday i also cheat a bit.
> Though surely that is one of the main reason why people use roids outside of competition
Yeah, most over here. I just do it for myself. I don't understand why ppl need to take roids to be noticed by other ppl. But then again; everyone should do what makes him happy.
Just be happy with yourself, is way more important to me. Fuck other ppl who don't like it. I don't care really.
If you think roids will help you in the progress, to make you life ''les boring'', you should do it.
I would not take it in your position. But that's just my 2 cents
btw i also vary with different kind of carbs. The protons always consist either; chicken, fish or lean meat. O yeah and cottage cheese before bed.
I recently switched to rice again, because i was sick of the pasta/penne.
just make sure you vary all the time. It makes it a lot more bearable
honestly you have fucking SO much to learn about eating right, programming effectively, and just plain lifting
that compounds the problem of muscular strength outstripping connective tissue by a country mile when gear is involved because you haven't had the history of overcoming muscle imbalances, mobility issues, all of the millions of little things that you can't really teach someone but have to be learned by doing on your own
CAN you start diving right into steroids? of course
but SHOULD you? no. for all of the reasons I listed and a whole lot more I'm forgetting because I'm typing this on a phone
>in terms of having an acceptably low risk of injuries because of lacking base.
>'proving your worth' before you enter the world of steroids is to avoid avoid joint/bone injuries etc which is something that seems like it should be manageable?
>So I am somewhat seriously considering giving sterioids a shot. Have been in not horrible but not fantastic shape in the past (like 115kg 5x3 squat/deadlift at 80kg) and coming of a hiatus now after having acquired a homegym, currently i'm at 77~kg, like 16% bodyfat according to self measured calipers and like 90kg squat/DL 5x3. 27 years old
>Though you can always know more I think I am doing ok in the fitness/nutrition knowledge and experience department, and should be able to get my bodyfat down to an acceptable level. So the main concern would be gaining too much strength for the rest of the body to keep up.
your lifts are less than most beginners achieve on starting strength and you're overly worried about injuries. You may think you understand the basics of nutrition but your training definitely sucks. you should be stronger just on neuromuscular adaptations alone.
Brick's advice is really the only real answer. Yeah you can hop on gear and get better results but it'll still be shitty compared to someone that eats right and lifts with intensity. There's no way to get bigger or stronger without pushing your body's limits.
How do y'all deal with acne ?
Don't have it yet but let's just say that I will most definitely get it, even though I've never been prone to it
>But assuming it would be an overall positive thing in my life, and that I start with it when close in on the 'genetic potential'. I have a hard time seeing how the benefits of starting sooner would not outweigh the minor increased risks if properly managed.
You're 27. Hopping on 250-500 test isn't going to be much of a risk with the standard precautions.
But based on your stats it's not going to be a fast train to ronnie coleman city unless your test is freakishly low and the only thing that was holding you back from your so-called genetic potential.
It would take a miracle of stupidity to injure yourself with the weights you're handling.
Hi fraud, can you list in order which are, from your perspective the most "aesthetic" sterons?
Discussing this with a friend right now, we both looking for the summer.
>I just do it for myself
I just do this shit because I like it and it's fun, not because I need it to validate myself or prove shit to anyone else
got shithoused last night, forgot to bring rehydration supplies over to friend's place so busy doing it the old fashioned way and stewing in my own suffering
keep training as hard as you can, keep your diet clean, and wait like a month after everything else clears
WHEN WILL THIS SHIT END ? PEOPLE WANT TO USE SYNTHETIC HORMONES YET CANT FUCKING USE A SEARCHING ENGINE AND ASSUME THAT PEOPLE THAT TOOK THEIR TIME TO RESEARCH WILL JUST SPOON FEED THEM
YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THE RIDE
Thank you friends... I've just recently decided to cruise so I havent done much research tbqh. I'm a breddy big guy at 225lbs and my test is around 400 natty @ 30 years old. What do you think an appropriate dose per week would be?
You have no idea how much research did I do, but ive got 600 euros to spend on roids for the next summer and 0 exp on roids. I know the fame of masteron on this kind of purposes and was what i had in mind, but since everybody is telling me about using tren at the same time they tell me to not use it being my first cycle i decided to come here to ask.
I even have HCG and test ready in front of me
What the fuck do you mean 600 euros? Bitch you must have a god damn job and a steady flow of money other wise you can't fucking roid
Fucking students complaining that they don't have money for food yet they jab their dicks with god jizz
Really...? Do you think test only? Im 6'0 82kg with low bf (not super low thoug). Will I feel any significant change? The before-after pictures of test only cycles are pretty... well, "neutral" ones.
Okay mate, don't believe me if you dont want to.
What my lifts are now or have been does not reflect what I know about eating right. I appreciate the input a lot, but feel like this sort of highlights part of what I am getting the impression of.
If you are not X size/strength then you don't know anything and that is why you need to wait with gear, not because being X size/strength is in itself inherently that important.
Also just to be clear I am not trying to argue that I am knowledgeable or that I would not massively benefit for another year of natural training. Just that I'm still not convinced that the year of natural training would benefit me more than the year of steroids and training, if I use steroids after the 1 year is over anyway.
If you take two people with absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of training fitness or nutrition, and they start learning about it and training at the same time, one starts off with gear and one goes without until he reaches his genetic potential. Assuming they are equally knowledgeable about gear when they start that, won't the person who started gear right away improve at a much faster rate, and reach whatever goal he has set much faster? Won't they just encounter things like mobility issues and muscle imbalances and the million other little things at different times and deal with them then?
I can see how the more rapid increase in weight gives you more risk of injury if for example you don't have proper form and your ignorance makes you not spend the time needed to learn proper form. But don't completely buy the idea that you need to have gone through the trial of fire of reaching your genetic potential before you are able to use steroids and have the benefits outweigh the negatives.
Yes really. You aren't going to magically get giant from any stack. But even if you could, you don't want to be adding shit into your body like that. You need to see how you react to these chems first before throwing new ones in there.
Roids generally aren't a huge deal, IMO, but they can really fuck you up if you go yolo with them man, be serious, its your body. The only reason you want to add more shit in you is because you're impatient.... You think thats a good reason? Lifting is a marathon, not a sprint. You'll get there eventually just take your time.
Wanna try some dbol I got for free. What's a good dose fellas? 20mg or 40mg like my friend advises?
just been on some test e 500 for a few weeks.
Not at all expecting it to fast train to anything, and know I am not being held back (other than not having lifted for long enough)
But like you are saying, if there is not going be much risk with standard precautions I don't see why going natty for 1 year before starting is going to do me more good than starting sooner and getting the perceived benefits sooner, other than teach me the value of hard work or how hard it would be to reach X size without steroids to make me appreciate it more or something.
that guy's face in the back says it all. kek
" wtf is that??"
just use accutane if it's cystic acne.
Just use an ai if you're on a cycle to prevent some acne. It helps a lot for acne when i'am on.
Go ahead and hop on. It sounds like you've already convinced yourself and no matter how many people here tell you otherwise you're going to do it anyways. Don't come back crying when you don't get the results you're expecting.
Not really trying to argue, more trying to be convinced that I am wrong and there actually is a legitimate benefit to waiting significantly longer than 2 months before I try gear. And that its not just lacking knowledge and experience which one would think can be compensated by being more diligent when it comes progressively educating yourself as you get stronger.
you know what fuck it, ignore everything I'm saying
tired of trying to beat knowledge into peoples' obstinate fucking heads when all they want to hear is validation for their shitty life choices
it's not like I'm one of the most knowledgeable people here or anything
First he ask if he should take roids. Everyone says over here, he dont need to take it, because of noob stats and knowlegde.
try to convince us it to take it anyway.
I swear girls can smell confidence or something
Went to a party as DD to repay my friend for a few big favors. I was just standing around and girls started approaching me, flirting, groping my arms, etc. This happens usually but nearly to the extent it happened last night.
I see so many ppl in my gym using tons of gear while having shit results.
Like this guy that's using 1,5 grams of test-e each week, but doesn't understand why he don't gain more anymore. Just up the gear, maybe it works.
Makes me sad desu
Most ''gains'' they make is water and not the quality mass.
but then again; if it was so easy, everyone would be big and ripped
I'm not ignoring what you are saying at all, sorry you take it that way :( Regardless thanks a lot of for taking the time to give your input.
Obviously coming in here I knew that the general consensus is that you should wait until you are close to genetic potential before you consider steroids. Just trying to better understand why.
I could more easily see that steroids is just not worth it in terms of risk/reward overall, but if we assume that it is worth the risk/reward (which I assume most users here would say it is.) Then wouldn't it also be worth it at a lower fitness level?
Yes you obviously have so fucking much to learn about eating right, programming effectively, and just plain lifting. But it's not like steroids is going to make you stupid and make it harder to learn these things.
Maybe some people might just take the easier gains from steroids and then never learn some things that come from the natty struggle, but I don't think that would apply to everyone?
Sorry for not just agreeing with you the first time and I am not saying you are wrong, just that you have not made a completely convincing argument.
20 years down the line what would be the bad case scenario of a shitty life choice like this versus waiting 1 year and then starting gear?
how come 2nd and 3rd is training and sleep? i thought no matter what routine you do on roids you gain musles, and for sleep i thought the same since your on steroids you recover quicker
I started when I was 18, after researching gear for 2 years and lifting on and off, mostly on, for ~7 years. I'm 22 now. Practically everyone in my family practises medicine in some form so I had a strong general knowledge base. But I wasn't ready for it emotionally, physically, spiritually or mentally, as much as I was convinced I was, and it's heavily influenced my life in many ways. What you're saying is technically true - the advice given in the form of training/age cutoffs is arbitrary and often elitist, but there is great value in creating something you're proud of before going onto gear. The benefits are innumerable in fact, and go beyond just maximising your results and bang for your buck with the gear.
I'm generally not one to regret things, but with AAS there is so much I would have liked to have done differently. Also, nobody likes to admit to their fuckups. The risks are indeed 'small', but the consequences can be great, and there are so many traps you can fall into. It's your body and it's up to you, but if you are truly serious about this lifestyle, and would like to enjoy it for the rest of your life - my simple and admittedly arbitrary advice is to set a goal you can be seriously proud of, accomplish that naturally, and then take it from there, and I guarantee your life and training career will benefit greatly from that choice
Muscles can only absorb so much of a hormone for your size. After that brings sides(water and not quality mass). You can, however, use multiple hormones equaling 1.5g and get more results.
He will get much better results with a cocktail of hormones.
300mg deca(gradually increase)
>roiding for girls
>i thought its something like
There are exceptions like big ramy, kevin levrone, ronnie colemen etc with monster god-like genetics.
But we don't, so we need to eat to gain weight even with gear. Gear isn't magic, you still need to eat enough to gain weight. Yes with gear you also gain water, don't forget.
Genetics > food > training/roids(this is debatable probably)
I can accept food being put over gear, but that's it.
Training is way at the bottom
nigger who are you kidding, you look like a fucking abercrombie model
it's like cheat codes for pussy
it trips me the fuck out dude
like I'm on so little, my diet is far from perfect, but I'm getting gains like a motherfucker
some basic gym bro was talking to me about gear and shit while I was lifting, I told him about my progress and the only thing he could say was genetics
like really guy
Then why do so many ppl look like utter SHIT, while using tons of shit, including tren etc.
so many questions
oh wait.. it's maybe because the dose is too low probably
nutrition is irrelevant. Kek, this guy
>Then why do so many ppl look like utter SHIT, while using tons of shit, including tren etc.
Because tonnes of people are on AAS, but that dude specifically mentioned GH + insulin.
I'm 100% sure you've never met anyone on legit GH, tren and slin who was small.
That's why. Read.
I do hope it's a glute workout then
Because already finding legit tren in itself is really difficult, and finding and having access to legit GH + the money to run the amounts those dudes are on is stupidly difficult.
People wouldn't run insulin just for the lols, so people taking lower doses wouldn't go on in the first place.
>But how is that even relevent for ppl over here
How was your answer even relevant to his pic. We were talking about the world at large, not 4chan.
>nutrition is irrelevant
It is with gh. When you get up to their level, your maintenaince cals are around 6000. GH will buffer out your health(even digestion) from crappy diet.
You still get inflammation/water from crappy diet, but not fat gain. So you just clean it up weeks before a show.
How long have you been lifting?
Learn as you go while using gear. You seem to have made up your mind. nobody's going to stop you. But your stats suck so it's not like this board's going to give you a stamp of approval.
there's no criteria for being ready for gear but if your lifts are above average and you look like you lift then chances are gear will do the job it's intended for. That's really all there is.
There's an old man in my gym right now staring at himself in the mirror and tensing his whole body for 10 seconds, resting and repeating.......if I wasn't hip thrusting to the thoughts of canary's muscular ass I'd be laughing so hard right now
I don't nothing about GH. I was talking about gear, because that's what most ppl use over here.
I have seen many ppl use tons of gear while having a shit diet and look like shit. Yet, they still are trying to make excuses and trying to find a easy way out.
So, everyone should use GH so they can eat whatever they want and still make crazy gains.
So i've been on tren e for 30ish weeks. Got bloods done a month ago and everything came back basically normal but my BP was a tiny bit high.
100% sure its not bunk tren, started with a cut then a slow bulk and I've put 130 pounds on my bench 1RM not even programming for strength. Assuming I can handle the mental sides and my bloods are fine, anything wrong with staying on the tren train?
>I was talking about gear
GH is part of "gear".
That's like saying "I wasn't talking about chicken, I was talking about food"
The answer is always more gear. Just ask zyzz
>GH is part of "gear".
I wasn't aware of that.
I thought gear was steroids.
I'am just telling what i think is best to do. If ppl over here think that gear is way more important than nutrition, they should stick to it.
I will stick to food, because i think that that will get me better results
fuck nigger just inject some roids. show us how big you get after a year. There was some faggot that started lifting and using gear at the same time. Called himself "math test" and posted his progress after several months. Everyone keked hard and the fucker never posted again.
That's the kind of faggot vibe you give.
Must be the pheromones wafting from your asshole. Mossad was right.
The same faggots that say "Hey man you're big, what supps do you use" are the ones that roid without proper diet and expect to explode
I shit you not this happened once
>hey man what preworkout do you use, youre pretty big
>Im not a fan of pre-workouts, I just have white rice an hour before
>what brand makes that
>nigga u srs
Seems logic ineed. And if he would eat enough to gain
Then you're probably blessed.
Why did you never posted a cbt over here?
Like tren is the nectar of the gods.
If zyzz told ppl to eat their own shit if they wanna look like him, they would probably.
If I blast 1g tren again would anybody be interested in buying my ass sweat?
Here are actual reviews
>11/10 phermones my wife can't get enough of me
>rated 5 stars I get girls easy now
>two thumbs I got the farmer's daughter AND livestock
Appreciate the comment.
It's just been a few weeks since I started lifting again now, but combined I am sure I have lifted on and off for about 1.5 years total. But obviously the off parts make it so you never reach very good shape in the on parts.
Regardless of whether I ever do gear though this time I am in it for life, but then again that's what they all say :p
I guess its hard to come off as not having made up my mind while still questioning what people tell me, but I have not.
One day I will eat something processed
I always hated the word processed. It doesn't have a concrete definition. We are told it's bad but what specifically is bad. Example being the processed meat drama recently. I listened to the AL Jazeera news piece on it since it was the most detailed and even experts where scratching their heads over specifics
lmao, oh man those times.
"You're so big man. Are you taking them shake? Which brand do you use?"
You know it breh.
I respect that attitude.
I don't think the idea is that processed is inherently bad, just that so much of the food that is processed is bad, and it would take so much effort go through all ingredients of all foods you eat (which does not even take into account the inaccuracy of labels etc). Wheras if you just eat unprocessed foods you generally know what you are eating and its much easier to eat reasonably healthy.
I had a guy at work walk up to me one day and go, "DUDE. I can't wait to look like you. You're on protein right?!"
"Umm.. are you asking me if I take protein shakes?"
"Umm.. sure I've drank a shake from time to time."
"Aww dude, sweet. I just picked up some protein from the store, and I'm gonna get jacked!"
"You should go back and get some creatine too bruh. That's the real secret to getting ripped and huge."
"Seriously? Okay, thanks!"
fucking niggers man. "Aren't you on protein?"
Tf kind of question is that.
pb+j on a bagel plus 15mg eph 200mg caffeine an hour before
still too fat for my liking, sleep's been shitty so I haven't been able to wake up early enough to get an hour of liss in before class like I'd want to, have to buckle down soon and get that last bit gone to hit 10-12%
plus I'm still super paranoid about opsec even if I did take a pre-blast cbp, if I get this inkwork done soon like I want all you'll be able to see is my hairy pale white ass around the blacked out sections
fuck I can't think of another reason why the shit I was able to not only recover that much strength but surpass it that fast and by that much
That pwo snack actually sounds delicious af.
I'm hoping to be 10% or less once I finish this DNP blast. Fucking day 10 of 21 now. Took y'all's advice and stuck with 2 caps vs the 3 a day I was gonna do originally.
Body goals anyone ?
This dude is fucking GOAT
>long healthy shiny hair
>great around others
>looks handsome and has zero acne
>not overly huge
>numerous medals from competitions
I was trying to say that E numbers are harmless by using vitamin c (E300) as an example, but yeah
>Doesnt living also contribute to cancer?
Ironically the direct causes of ageing are 1) breathing oxygen and 2) producing energy (eating)
add an extra 15-20 across the top and arms, keep the core
technically yes over a long enough time span, barring mutation to control the cell dysfunction and genetic damage responsible for cancer, everyone will die from various cancers if nothing else
>sent grill shirtless snapchat
>says I look like a body builder
>wants to lick cum off my abs
I think I look like shit t bh
Not even shredded
Do normal people really have that low of standards