>>35615839 >"it won't ruin any friendships" >volunteering yourself into the friendzone your problem isn't that you don't life. your problem is you are a beta male by birth and dont know how to act any differently. this will never change
fastest way to make a chicks vag slam shut is being nice to her. Never be nice to women, treat them dignity you would every other human, but don't pander to them. How do people not know this? Did you not have a good father?
Ah, the good old "You're such a great guy, I bet girls drool over you" response. Here's a protip. Women are cunts. Disregard them and focus on your goals in life. Thank you for taking your daily dose of red pill. A red pill a day keeps the divorce lawyers away.
>>35615794 >get fit >be nice to women >crush tells me she feels terrible about it but she just doesn't feel the same way about me >this was on january 1st >mfw this great start into the new year. I think i know how you feel op. on the plus side it didn't get any worse since then.
>>35616117 If she really wasn't interested in a relationship she shouldn't have started with showing interest imo, you either trll the guy what's going on from the start or roll with it and not pull your figurative dick out in the last second
>>35616013 You know, I understand that you can get creeped out by these neckbeards. And I understand that they their social autism prevents them to recognise hints. But for real, this bitch could just simply state 'I'm not interested'. If he keeps messaging her you can roast him.
I actually agree with a lot of what she said. Whilst she's savage, I'm certainly hoping it'll be the wakeup call that he desperately needs. As an adult, he cannot be catered for as if he's a child and has hypersensitive feelings. He needs a role model, and the way he behaves towards her is evident of that need.
This whole "niceness is sabotage" paradigm that's constantly parroted is so silly. It's usually by the "women don't know what they want" crowd too.
I'm just a skinny guy with the most average looks you'll ever come across. But I'm mature with the one I want (and she's far out of my league, an Eastern European beaut) - we're best of friends. Every conversation of ours is unequivocal confirmation that we remembered the preceding ones. Just little things a man can do to get the snowball rolling.
I didn't even do it with the intention of asking her out. I just love her company and I do my part for her to be able to say the same. I wasn't looking for a partner when I was getting to know her (although I knew she'd fit like a glove when I change course).
But when we came around to the question, it seemed almost inevitable. Like we both had a serious itch.
I told her I just need to be totally independent first and she's even willing to wait for me (although we could get together now if I threw that condition away, but I really want to succeed so I can take care of her/make her life easier -- and she doesn't know that's my goal; she doesn't need coddling, but nonetheless I want to).
If you find a woman who doesn't consider it an abuse of time to wait for you to collect yourself, you've found a good one.
Even though people are going to reply to this and say "She's probably ugly/fat" (fuck no and fuck no) and dismiss it because I'm not posting a pic of her, the advice I'd share is be mature, be there to start her day off right (or close it off nicely), be genuinely interested in learning about her and let the rest fall into place without force.
I noticed you started your post with "get fit" - unless it's severe, women are very forgiving. Have a little tact.
>>35615839 >Pursued hot chick in college >Be semi fit, so I had a little more confidence than I had in high school >Still had no game though >Do stupid shit that pretty much put me in the friend zone because I thought being nice to chicks meant they'd like me more >Have a girl tell me damn near the exact same thing as what's in your text "Sorry for the mixed signals, let's just be friends, etc" >Literally reply "Oh okay, cool" and stop texting altogether >Either ignore all her texts of give short responses like "Okay" or "That's cool" >A few months later, we see each other at a party and she asks why I lost interest in her >Tell her it's because I have enough friends and I'm not really interested in making new ones >She storms off and says I'm just like all the other asshole guys she's met >Shrug it off and go hang out with friends >And hour later, after she's apparently had a few drinks, she starts flirting with me >I ignore it and keep socializing with friends >She eventually pulls me away from friends and asks if she can kiss me because she's always wondered what it'd be like >Say sure and we make out for a bit >She asks me to walk her back to her place >I know this is code for "Let's fuck back at my house" >Decline because she's fucking drunk, and having known her as a friend, I know she's the type of bitch to cry rape >She gets pissed again and storms off >Blows up my phone with texts like "I think we should be together", and "You're such a good kisser, I should have never made you a friend" and that kind of bull shit >Continue to ignore it because I'm seeing another girl and I really like her >Still get random facebook messages from her to tell me she's in town and we should have coffee and shit >Always ignore it because I'm now engaged
tl;dr If you're interested in fucking a chick, NEVER be nice to her.
>>35615918 >>35615933 THIS....you will lose alot of money chasing women but you will never lose any women chasing money...and haven't you ever noticed the guys who don't give a fuck about girls seems to always be drowning in pussy
>>35616188 In OPs skinnyfat case ya probably. But not 100% of the time. I once had oneitis for a fuck buddy of mine. Amazing girl and we banged like rabbits. Talked every day. Spend days at a time together. I was in love. But everytime i pushed for more shed withdraw. I eventually got sick of the rejection and dumped her ass. Now shes back with her abusive ex and i moved on
>>35616283 How fucking old are you? Women never make anything obvious. Maybe 10% of women aren't complete failures at communicating. I've fucked plenty of girls that showed virtually no interest in me.
>>35615839 jesus christ man... learn it now or never. you're not talking to her to make friends. you're talking to her t o fuck her. so if that doesn't do it severe ties. now just gradually stop talking to her.
you dont go to the market to get some rib eye and get spam instead.
>>35616355 There's wisdom in this story. Women actually get super wet when you treat them as just another guy. If you're NOT trying to get into her pants at all, she's most likely going to let you in her pants. I have no idea why, but it really works.
>>35616415 >You don't need female friends unless she has female friends that she brings around.
I agree 100%.
I have exactly one female friend, and the ONLY reason we're friends is because I don't find her remotely attractive, we share damn near the exact same interests, and she has and brings around her really hot friends ALL the time. I've gotten so much pussy from this set up it's ridiculous.
It works out so well because women can't keep female friends to save their lives (men aren't like this). So while he crew of hot friends is constantly in rotation, I'm the one constant friend in her life. So if I'm interested in banging one of her hot friends, her loyalties ALWAYS lie with me, and she'll tell a bitch whatever she wants to hear just to make sure we hook up.
It sucks though, because she's moving to another state for her job in 3 months, so I won't have my wingman anymore...
>>35616470 >What about the one you're engaged to anon
I was a dick to her when we first met. She's actually told me that me being an asshole is what attracted her to me in the first place.
Sure I do nice things for her every now and then at this stage in our relationship, but you can't START OFF doing that romantic bullshit. And even still, I don't do it that often. I love her and all, but I'm not going to smother her with roses or fancy dinners. I do that type of shit for Valentines Day, her birthday, and very sporadically throughout the year just to catch her off guard.
Shit, she's admitted that in her younger days, she'd walk all over guys who were too nice to her.
>>35615794 Don't be nice to them. Be civil, treat them with dignity, but don't do anything for them that you wouldn't do for a complete stranger. Being nice and complimenting them is a sure fire way to get friendzoned. Unless you're like a 9/10 or 10/10.
Get em wet, treat em like dirt and they will stick like mud.
>>35616583 It was a good sign we'd fuck like rabbits.
Shit, I could even reactive my OKCupid account and find screenies of women being very agreeable with me, leaving their personal contact info, or Skype convos with them arranging places to meet for dates.
It's a nice world out there. It's a forgiving world out there. Just have a little tact with them.
>>35616544 >but I'm not going to smother her with roses or fancy dinners i dated this chick who said she always hated when her bfs did. flowers, notes, she tht just doesnt last long. she alwasy threw them away a day later.
guys, please. dont be nice to these girls. they really dont see us the way we see them.
with said, do u think it is appropriate to treat a girl like a little sister AFTER the two of you are dating?
>tfw get pretty fit, ottermode >tfw go out quite a bit too, social gains >from mostly autist loser to decent guy >have way more and way better friends >tfw date schools hottest chick >befriend her orbiters, extra layer of protection >tfw every guy is envious of me, most hot girls suddenly start hitting on me >tfw we can all make it, it just takes time, effort and patience Good luck bros <3
I don't know, brother. I'm just making a case for optimism where I get the chance to. Optimism by way of tact, I should specify. Lots of these threads bid a premise of "I've physically improved, ventured out into the world and here's the misfortune that followed".
If you followed my posts a bit more, I have a history full of successful exchanges with women and I'm NOTHING special physically. Attached is a pic of me. Though I do have to censor out a bit for privacy, nothing special. But still successful. I just want to hold you people by the collar and shake the cynicism off you sometimes.
Because you asked, I do eat perfectly and exercise (run 30 miles a week), though - so I stick around for those kinds of threads.
>>35616979 Go out with the friends you have, anywhere at first, lame parties, movies, anything, just be seen and get into habit of being in the open. Kill your fear of rejection and just approach random people and talk for a few minutes. I took up smoking and it really helped me to find some really good friends, i quit now tho cause its useless. It helped me cause whenever i panicked at a big party i would just go out and smoke and talk to other people outside >>35617001 Saw her at my school before, but never talked. Then met her at a halloween party and just started talking to her. Turned out she wasnt a bitch at all like people used to say and a few days later i asked her out. Had a nice date, not a big deal. Then i asked her out to a dance. Showed her my "amazing" dance moves and just showed her the real me, didnt care about looking like a fool. Im pretty tall, 6'3, so no one really picks on me and kinda shows respect whenever i am. >>35616991 I mean kind of like college setting, im european
>>35616355 This, I've always talked shit pretty hard on chicks that I'm crushing on. If they're cool, they'll realize I'm not serious and am trying to be funny and will do the same back to me, at which point I evaluate the quality of their shit talk to determine if they're worthy. Either that or they get all huffy and bitchy in which case they weren't worth my time anyway.
>>35615794 Listen OP, I can already tell by the way this bitch is talking to you and the way you respond that you are a beta fuck. You need to stop texting this girl and learn to be a real fucking man (say whats on your mind, dont apologize, and realize women are lesser than us). You should have told this bitch off before you backed down like a little pussy, worrying about her judgement.
OP, say whats on your mind at all times even if it offends others.
Make judgments and make others fear your judgment.
Call others on out their bullshit
Be arrogant and never apologize unless you are 100% in the wrong
>tfw this is literally a post straight from r9k unrelated to /fit/ >tfw someone took the time and effort to repost it onto /fit/ just to incite a negative misogynistic circlejerk If you're impressionable, going on 4chan can seriously fuck up your world view. Fitness is a positive form of self improvement but /fit/ is just about creating insecurities, making people feel inadequate, fucking up self esteem, and keeping depressed 20 year olds in a negative mindset. The memes are fun but this shit can start to be toxic. There are guys here who UNIRONICALLY hate women and UNIRONICALLY want to kill themselves because they are under 5'8 and don't have a 6x8.
Y'all need a break, or at least to realize that the majority of stuff here is shitposts and trolls designed to make you feel bad and hate women.
What else? I'm nice. I'm average in looks. I don't have a built physique (I'm a skinny runner). I still have a good history with women and I can more than prove it: >>35617115 >>35617070 >>35616518 >>35616627
Those posts aren't the same rambling as the first one. I'm just reiterating my point of view. I'm just saying niceness doesn't hinder you if you've got maturity and tact going for you. That's it. Only on this site would I be insulted for saying that.
>>35615839 Lmfao. Yeah guys the alpha response was to ignore her like a 5yr old throwing a tantrum.
You did fine OP. The mature acceptance displayed in those 2 lasts text was manly as fuck. Now is the time to distance. But never bring it up again and never be too kind or giving with her again. Figuring myself out just means she wants to slut or she genuinely just doesnt see you that way. Gl bro!
>>35615839 Beta as fuck, should have said something around the lines "YOU FUCKING SLUT, YOU THINK YOU CAN PLAY ME LIKE THIS? I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU AND RAPE YOUR DEAD BODY, THIS ISNT THE END OF THIS BITCH!!!
It is a hundred times better that she was blunt than to lead you on.
My best advice would be to never be pushy around her, in other words let her come to you if she is interested.
In the mean time focus on the next chick who has your interest but dont be jaded or bitter about this relationship falling through. In the distant future it could work out that you have another chance with this woman if you are patient.
>>35616110 >get fit >been chatting up this guy i dated before i was fit, and its been established we're super gay for each other, but both bi. >We broke up for reasons i wont disclose but it was on good terms, and we're still best buds 4 lyfe >he knows im fit now obvs >recently told me he's gonna fuck this chick at work he's been pseudodating Fuck my life, why do i gotta feel so strong about my bro4lyfe, /fit/? The jealousy was palpable, and I had to play it off. I could feel it, in my chest, like it was actually physically there.
I realize this is /r9k/ troll but this literally just happened to me before new years as well with a coworker I been talking to / hanging with for awhile.
>"ur a good friend anon" >"friend..?" >She agrees we "click" but not in that way for her (tf does that even mean) >I tell her I'm not interested in friends, no new friends #Drake >"wow so I guess I'm just SOL huh anon?" >"yep, sorry" >don't talk for a few weeks >issue at work >texts me about issue and says "sorry I just miss talking to you" >reply to the issue and ignore the last bit
I've started to talk to her a little bit now (mostly just work related commands / questions). As much of a cuck she is I still want to be with her and it's annoying me but I'm staying strong and ignoring her.
The other anons saying you can't be a friend with a girl are 100%, especially if you like or liked them. It'll never work out well. Now if only I had a new girl to go after that also lifts...
Normally when a woman says this, she is omitting a piece of critical information, what she really means is "I just don't want to date -you- right now" but let's face it, someone can be swept off their feet by the right person
Would any one of you here want to spend an inordinate amount of time with a boring individual? No? Then why would you expect someone else to hang out with you? You're boring, or your just boring to her. Either way, you need to move on to the next girl.
>>35618402 I used to be like this but I only realised it when I saw others do it and it placed a mirror in front of me. It's the desperation of us betas to get girls to like us we go too hard and don't even see how creepy and weird we look, only in a hindsight you cringe at yourself and baka at others doing it.
>>35618158 Lol. Not like that. Get ripped and get rich. Make it so in a few years, these women are in their late 20s going "gosh, Anon was so great, why did I ever turn him down?" Every woman who is single by the time she hits 30, or even before then, has several guys she rejected that she wishes she could have back. Be that guy.
>>35616246 Being "nice" is code for "being so fake you make expensive pinata look natty". It's disingenuous faggotry and best and psychopathic at worst. /r9k/ cries about their "chad" boogiemen but at least they're fucking real and forthright in their intent instead of pretending to be a "friend"
>>35615839 OP no one seems to be giving you advice here, besides bit being a beta faggot, which is valid.
Any women who says this to you is not worth your time. You have given her attention validation and your time and have received nothing in return. I would send her just a one line text of "sorry I don't want to be friends with anyone I am physically attracted to, let me know if you change your nind" and then ignore her and DO NOT RESPOND
She will either work hard to get your attention, or leave you alone either way you win. Right now you are losing.
not the same problem as OP but still pretty shitty >be me have acquired fit >decent face. grills rate me 8/10 onwards,cant tell if sarcasm on text >have crush, she likes me >kinda like her back >she goes for lanky gym bud >dont wanna lose gym bud so say fuck it watevs
same year >gotten over 1st crush and found new qt3.14 >share bus everyday >get pretty close text random shit actually kinda funny, which is strange for a girl >talking to her one day asks if i like video game i cant remember name of >say no > she says "i posted on twitter about it saying how its her childhood and my brother popped up saying i love that game and they talked and shit" >thought oh thats kinda weird but whatever not gonna fight about it >few more of these happenings rode home with her on the bus once, as have i many times live pretty close >couple weeks later on the sunday after new years >mum-" you know girl right" >"yeah why" >"well your brother's going on a date with her tonight"..."she's very pretty isn't she?" >"oh cool yeh very..." run up stairs and punch as many thing as possible trying to knockout my despair and hatred against the person who's supposed to be my friend but probably will fuck my brother
>get a text a day later from her saying "how are you feeling about everything"
>reply "i think its kinda weird its my brother" >she just says "i hope it doesn't ruin are friendship..." >respond "ill think about it"
extra info >my brother went gym but pretty much just used machines and rowed so pretty dyel.
>>35618962 I have this problem but in reverse. A lot of my weekends are already filled with things I ain't gonna skip for a gril. I can find time for her somewhere though. Just ask what day works for her.
>>35615839 The only time women say "i'm not looking for a relationship right now" is when they're not looking for a relationship with YOU. This chick found better dick. She's probably already riding it and more than likely she'll be officially dating it in the next two weeks.
Your response was shit because anything more than "k" is extra attention that you should be giving to someone else.
Gril at work wants the D. Already gave her the natty lickaroo and shit and she sucked me off but I didn't fuck her. Why? Because she's a virgin (saving for marriage and shit.) She seems like the clingy type too. Oh also she's like 30. She's a real qt otherwise with a firm ass and perky C cups. Also she's what you /r9k/ homosex call an innie.
>>35619287 Yes, keep cherry picking even though if you follow my posts, you'll keep seeing proof of women responding to me, of setting up dates with me, of outright saying they'll fuck me, of women flirting with me.
Here, I just went into my account and dug up another one.
But that's okay, keep being cynical and focus on one post where I rambled. Hope it works out for you brother. I'm still rooting for you. Let's not pretend I haven't figured it out though. Let's not pretend I'm suggesting something crazy.
I do wonder why no one seems to have a problem with all the screenies I have of success with women but they'll cherry pick little things. Salty.
>>35619308 After I wrote the Illiad on her clit with my tongue she started saying shit like "oh but you know I think marriage is just a formality" and similar shit. I'd give her the dick but I don't know if it's worth the hassle of workplace drama, or if she is expecting me to propose after we fugg.
>women Fucking bros would have been much simpler no homo
>>35615794 honestly from the text she sebt you it sounds like you were to nice. You didnt tell certain jokes because you were worried you offend her. You behaved to gentlemanly instead of showing some edge or danger. You were like room temperature milk when you should have been a shot of 100 proof whisky
>>35619581 This. You've got to get to the point where you don't give a shit. Otherwise they're afraid you're going to be a psycho when shit hits the fan. This is what people mean when they say be yourself.
>>35615839 Jeezus bro, the first one saying thanks was bad enough. But then "its fine, it was nice", man wtf. Stop acting like she fucking owns you. Why are you being so fucking polite? Do you want to get walked over by women all your life? This shit does not make them like you more or respect you at all, theyll think you're nice and shit, but that gets you nowhere.
After her initial message you either say nothing, which is a bit douchey but fine. Literally just say alright or something similar and move on. Or if her leading you on bothered you, say something without being butthurt but in a way that makes it sound like your time is valuable. "You seemed interested, so I dont appreciate the lead on, but w.e".
>meet qt3.14 at work >has kid but is still gorgeous and treats me good >Christmas day her baby daddy meets his son for the first time >became distant and would complain about everything >Breaks up with me 20 minutes after midnight >tells me her and her baby daddy are gonna get back together for the boys sake >i see her everyday for 8hrs and she wont even look at me >lifting the pain away >im going to make it bros
>>35621803 No sadly, you are not. See no matter how much you lift, you lost a girl to a deadbeat father. The fact that a deadbeat father out ranked you with your girlfriend says everything about you. You are weak. Look around you. This is your best and it is pathetic. Off yourself now and do us all a favor.
>>35621803 be happy, if you couldnt tell she was hiding ALOT from you the whole time.
u think she just had a kid with some guy and broke up with him and then gave u a try? lol.
she used u to get him jealous if anything, just be happy u played your part and at least got to hook up with that baby momma bitch, u should go up to her and say happy anniversary to fuck with her lol, shed prolly cheat on her guy with u
>>35621928 Look at me I make 80k and let a women make me sad. Your accomplishments mean nothing. View yourself as the prize. You have daddy issues. Raised by a single mom? It's ok. Plenty of men need a strong women to motivate them. Seriously off yourself.
>>35621579 >>35621723 I personally would not voice any disdain over the rejection. So if my response came as childish it's cause I have no idea how you would express annoyance in any way that isn't.
I would legit just say alright, good luck or something and leave it at that. Some people like to voice that they got pissed off by that behavior, but I would say unless you're going to continue any interaction with her there isn't any point. Though I really don't think there is anything wrong or passive aggressive with telling someone you didn't appreciate being lead on.
>>35616163 i agree with >>35619363, dating or even just sleeping with coworkers is a terrible idea. and i've turned down my fair share of girls because i was focusing on me/not interested in dating. y'all need to grow up in the relationship department.
/b/ Im having the same issue with a girl >you are a great guy >i like you but i need to figure myself out >new years we end up sleeping together >2 days later she says she cant. >another few days she takes me out for sushi and makes out with me, >after that she starts to get sexual,
I had a crush on this girl in highschool just started talking to her 4 years later. Do i give up Or is there hope idk what to do /fit/
Put no effort into her. If you like talking to her, then talk to her. Don't talk to her because you hope to GF her one day, or hope to get laid.
In the meantime, keep looking for other women.
She sounds young, dumb, and potentially somewhat fucked up. Young women have their heads filled with complete bullshit, then go and talk endlessly with their retarded friends who are an echo chamber for their own dumb assumptions.
Oh my God, women near 30 are so much better to date. But even among them, I've known a couple of laughably immature ones.
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