If you do 5x5 minus accessories you'll be strong but it won't show really. But at the end of the day, it you eat right, a person who can bench 225 for 5x5 will most likely be bigger than someone who can bench 135 for 5x5. for most people training in the 5-8 rep range, strength = size. you only ever get raw strength from like 1-3 rep range with heavy singles and doubles etc
You can limit muscle mass gains by never bulking and just doing lots of really low reps with low volume.
5x5 is a good medium for strength and size. 5x5 + high rep move for the same muscles + food will result in good size gains. 5x5 by itself may even.
If your main goal is size and you dont give a fuck about strength, I think something like 4x8 or even 3x10 is better.
Studies have shown 3x10 gives the EXACT same size gains as 5x5, ALMOST the same strength gains, yet 5x5 takes 3x longer (assumung 3 min rest periods on 5x5, 2 mins on 3x10) and has a higher chance for injury (because of heavier loading and it's a more maximal effort).
8x3 is pretty much equivalent to 5x5 volume wise too... But it takes a hell of a lot longer.
Very good point here: the reason higher reps is traditionally thought of as better for bodybuilding is not because you can't grow with low reps/grow less, but because you can accumulate a lot of volume in shorter periods of time.
It can take fucking half an hour to do 8 sets of 3. You'll get slightly more strength gains than higher reps. It can take you 5 fucking minutes to do 3x10, which still leaves you more time to do more work for that muscle, if you did nothing but low reps, you'd not only be exhausted and even burn out, but you could be in the gym for 2 hours just to do half your body.
>>35611565 i actually shrunk using 5x5. gut disappeared. strength gains were fantastic though. i actually prefer this to the bodybuilder thing. i look rather unassuming, but weigh much more and lift more than i seemingly should.
So ur telling me 8 sets x 3 minutes does not equal a total of 20 minutes?
and 5 sets with 4 rest periods 4x3 does not equal 12 minutes?
and 2x2 doesnr equal 4 minutes?
didnt know that was wrong.. I really guess 8x3 is more efficient time wise than 3x10
look up some of the rep range studies by your self. as long as volume is equated, growth is the same, whether doing fucking sets of 15 or sets of 3. there is an infographic from strengtheory.net or whatever
>>35615726 The sticky is shit and basically just tells you to do SS and GOMAD. The only reason anyone would think the sticky is a good source for anything but the most basic information is because it's the only thing they read on strength training and sports science
5x5 only works for those who still benefit from the novice effect. anyone with 18 months or more training experience will have to do something else. SS is a waste of time even for the mediocre lifter with a little mileage under their belt.
Why do people keep discussing about something like SS?
Its STARTING Strength, its not meant to be used forever. There is nothing to talk about, its good basic training for beginners getting into lifting. After you build yourself a base, you jump to other routines and add shit. SS is meant to teach you basic movements and give you a good build so you can work on other things.
I don't even know why people talk about routines. You fucking work what you need to work dude, its different for everyone, if you lack shoulders, you work on those. If you lack chest, you work chest. The other shit you do just to keep yourself in shape and don't neglect the rest of your body.
>>35616620 I could say the same about you, but instead I will refer to the sticky that contains all of the prominent strength coaches wisdom. If some anonymous shitposter gets mad when his stupid theories are questioned, it's a red flag he has no clue what he's talking about.
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