I could never take to weed. I've tried, but maybe I've just had shitty weed. The only time it was good I was tripping balls and I couldn't imagine doing that every day. Feeling content without earning that contentment is just a recipe for failure.
>>35581966 Even though what you say is true, who fucking cares? Potfags are going to smoke regardless of what you say to those losers. That just means more gains for those of us with the willpower to abstain from shit tier drugs.
>>35582570 >>35582587 >studies about while high, at best >implying there's any reason to work while on substances Also, if you'd read the source, you'd realize that point isn't talking about while under the effects.
>weed just isn't for me >it's not you >i'm just not into that stuff, man >weed isn't good >people who use it aren't bad >but weed isn't good >weed is bad >i don't like you because you smoke weed >5 minutes talking to non-weed smokers >never even mention you smoke >they hear it from someone else >ok
>>35582705 >don't use an organizations research >uses the government's Ayy lmao Check out Harvard's 2015 (the year is important) study on it, if you don't get flooded with results for 2010-14. There's no damage or differences according to them. Same thing for university of Missouri in the same year. Just shut the fuck up. Look up the Jamaican study that got its funding pulled when it had positive results, not negative. Yellow journalism is still very real, and you're supporting it.
>why are you obsessed with weed, man >what >never even mention it >weed smoking is bad >maybe just this once i'll smoke >kid has a freak out >starts mumblin to himself >starts shaking his head >literal convulsions >leaves >walks miles away down main street >what the fuck >mfw we're the degenerates >mfw it's not just one person who's done this >hear about other autismos doing it >mfw the guy joins a christian cult
>>35582768 >uses the government's >Check out Harvard's 2015 (the year is important) study on it >Same thing for university of Missouri Are you implying colleges don't receive a cent of government funding? tip top kek
>>35582962 >Oh yes because students are totally the same thing as government employees. >Doesn't understand how government funding works. Idiot. Where the fuck do you think they hire government employees from anyway? The ocean? They recruit at colleges ffs.
>>35582983 You never any linked to actual studies for me to criticize the methods of. And the Harvard study implies chronic marijuana use results in dysregulation of the limbic system (And there's plenty of evidence of this in the animal model).
>>35582869 Me and a buddy are chilling, dude comes along. I'm rolling a J, and the dude starts hyping himself up. "Let's do this", "this'll be my last time smoking but we're gonna have a blast", etc. Everything's chill and then the dude stops replying to us. We're like "what's up, dude? You good? You don't have to smoke any weed." Literally won't respond to anything. He starts bumping around on the floor where he was sitting. gets up and starts walking in circles, head spinning back and forth. He grabs his phone and starts texting like 6 different numbers. "What the fuck". We tell him if he's uncomfortable we don't have to smoke in front of him. He gets up, leaves the house, walks miles on the main road away from us. Don't know what the fuck happened. Get call from random number later. "I got no problem with you, man. I got no problem with you, man" on loop. Dude leaves and joins Christian cult.
Lesson: Don't enable non-weed smokers by telling them you don't have to smoke in front of them (big lesson here). They can (and probably will) leave if they have a problem with it. They're annoying and make a huge deal about how cool they are with it when they feel repulsed. They're genuinely having mental issues thinking about it.
I smoke occasionally, but I also acknowledge that inhaling anything other than air probably won't be good for me long term. Could be worse though! I'd at least have all you anons smoking weed and getting high than smoking cigarettes and hating yourself for it.
>>35583146 You have to admit that there are conflicting studies. Smoking anything is inherently not GOOD for you, but there are definitely positive effects of weed as well. It's definitely not "the biggest gains goblin" as OP suggested.
>>35583146 You're the type of person who complains if someone talks too much. Why don't you leave the room? Why don't you just not give a fuck? What stoner got you so rustled in your life that it's 10:57 PM and you have to debunk weed smokers on /fit/ in a thread that 8 people have stumbled upon?
>>35583173 Because I have chronic health problems that give me trouble swallowing food so I can't consume marijuana anymore unless I want to make it impossible for me to swallow food.
So in my case marijuana actually does impede my gains.
When you're out of college and have to live for yourself you will understand being annoyed with kids trying to half-assedly justify all their behavior.
>>35583193 I also mentioned it has no impact on gains. There's also plenty of evidence of it helping with fear extinction. None of the studies conflict with it's impact on cognition, though, plenty suggest that even long term chronic marijuana doesn't result in permanent effects on cognition.
>>35583211 I'm just killing time until I can sleep. Perhaps I'm irritable because I wish I could still consume marijuana.
Either way, I just hate people with bad scientific comprehension.
>>35583247 I am out of college (AKA fuck going to college) and I won't be annoyed by it. I don't get annoyed unless it affects me. Smoke my weed after saying "I only smoke dabs" I'll call you out on it. Pack a bowl with some weed I've thrown in and throw out the scraps while whining about not having weed, I'll call you out on it. Saying stupid shit, same thing. But it's seriously not a big deal. There's plenty of dumb people to get mad at but us getting mad at them doesn't make us any smarter. Too bad you can't smoke because it'd really take the edge off. Dealing with retards who think Vitamin C cures cancer is definitely annoying but what's the tl:dr of your posts? Are you saying it hurts your short term memory in the long term?
>>35583306 You're right, berating people doesn't improve anything, and I would be able to take the edge of if I could still consume marijuana.
I don't want to give a tl;dr, since it is an active area of research (and one I sometimes work in--my area of interest is the role of metabolic peptides in drug reward and addiction).
But if I had to: Chronic marijuana consumption likely impairs working memory.
Long term consumption will lower your IQ score, quitting will bring it back up (though some studies find it doesn't get back to the original value). IQ is a meaningless measure that's worthless for anything other than diagnosing mental retardation (my personal opinion).
There is no evidence suggesting irregular (e.g. smoking pot once a week isn't going to do this) consumption does this.
I personally don't think you should feel obligated to maximize your working memory unless you need to for your goals in life.
Marijuana overall has way less of a negative impact on cognition compared to the majority of recreational drugs. Except for nicotine, opioids and serotonergic psychedelics. Maybe NMDA antagonists as well though I'm not confident in asserting that (that's more based off personal problems with the methods of past NMDA antagonist research--it's an open question).
If consuming marijuana means you won't consume alcohol, you are indeed minimizing harm.
In terms of long term psychological impact with no physical correlations, there's research suggesting that chronic use may increase the risk of depression and anxiety later in life along with general decreases in quality of life measurements.
Also if you have a specific gene it definitely increases your risk for schizophrenia, but not otherwise.
The CB1 receptor may also be the most widely distributed receptor in the brain, so there's a lot to learn from it. Unfortunately, the requirement of a schedule I license in the U.S. really limits research.
>>35581966 I dunno man, I had some weed (and a bloody mary) before my workout today and it was pretty dank. Got really pale and general blood flow seemed oddly low, even during cardio, but the reps came easy and there was no mental anxiety happening (the 'oh shit not sure if I can make this' type that I sometimes get).
>>35583421 Thanks, was stoned as fuck last night and actually wondered about this. Hadn't heard anything good on it so kinda funny I stumbled into this thread. I'd rather not be a burnout but I've weighed my options and weed (along with my own CBT/ERP) helps with my OCD, along with giving me childlike confidence. I quit cigarettes and have no urge to ever go back. Will probsbly ease up on weed over time (consumption is down to 2-3 bowls a day from 15+).
>>35583570 Luvox is the only other thing I've taken that works. Both only work when I'm actively doing CBT/ERP which is pretty much constantly. Very limited research on it, though from what the docs have told me.
>>35582195 Tell that to my cousin that died of cancer last week. All that shit does is help their pain subside. You are fucking delusional if you think weed cures cancer. You are better off drinking banking soda to lower your ph lower since cancer feeds off of acidic levels. People these days get cancer way too often because of the things we eat.
>>35582817 >clear bias You're neither criticizing the studies, nor providing counters.
>That's exactly what I said. Then, you posted a source. Congratulation. I don't feel like posting something in rebuttal, because there are already studies posted stating function beyond the influence is ordinary.
>try reading a book while HIGH I'm sure I would rather play video games, of which I also couldn't find any studies.
>inability to admit that there are any side effects There are literally no negative side effects documented, bar "short term memory while on it" (if that can even be called negative), else they would probably be posted in threads.
>>35583014 There were studies posted that started that reply line (only like 3 posts altogether) and the resulting ">that source" tripe. Norml isn't a research source. It's a collection of resources.
>the Harvard study implies chronic marijuana use results in dysregulation of the limbic system The only study posted in reply to the Harvard claims is >>35582815, which implies absolutely nothing.
>>35583107 >Morris water maze Mouse: >Why the fuck am I doing this? Do they even get a reward?
>CB1 downregulation >just of the hypothalamus >implying anything Does it even state level of permanence? It's vague.
>>35583247 >but muh scientific comprehension If you don't feel like the conversation is keeping up, you should probably express what you believe is the whole discussion. It's probably a sentence per topic or study at best. If you don't, you're probably detracting from the same.
>>35583421 >IQ Functionally worthless for scoring intelligence. Gonna inb4 with my full argument:
It doesn't accurately measure short term memory, reasoning skills, and verbal ability. On that, smoking at all supposedly reduces short term memory, so that's plausibly an answer to the effect with weed consumption.
It also doesn't measure creative intelligence, emotional and social intelligence, specific skills in specialized knowledge..
>>35583421 >>35583696 I also didn't read anything after what I mentioned because the text was full. The points about IQ are obviously still helpful.
>In terms of long term psychological impact with no physical correlations, there's research suggesting that chronic use may increase the risk of depression and anxiety later in life along with general decreases in quality of life measurements. This could be based on (potentially habitual) reduced eating, like if they quit.
>>35583613 Interesting to know. >>35583696 Why don't you give me the specific sources norml mentioned then faggot? I found specific sources for your lazy ass.
Why don't you read about the morris water maze to find out faggot? There's plenty of evidence for it being a good model.
Of course things will most likely go back to homeostasis if chronic administration is stopped. Why don't you try looking at the results as opposed to just reading the abstract? The hypothalamus has projections to many areas of the brain, including the prefrontal cortex, areas of the reward pathway and limbic system.
I mentioned I think IQ is worthless other than diagnosing intellectual disabilities. Was just stating the results of a study.
That first post you quoted wasn't me.
I didn't mention the harvard study, you did. I found it for you, and it didn't support your claims that >hurr durr marijuana can't have any negative impact 420 FUCK THE GOVERNMENT LMAO
>>35583733 I think it's more likely that factors resulting in an increased risk for depression and anxiety etc.. are already in place for many people who will consume chronically. Except perhaps for adolescents. I'd cite prior research supporting this view but you're gonna be a faggot and ask me to do the pubmed search rather than reading for yourself.
>If you don't feel like the conversation is keeping up, you should probably express what you believe is the whole discussion. It's probably a sentence per topic or study at best. If you don't, you're probably detracting from the same.
>>35583211 >You're the type of person who complains if someone talks too much. Why don't you leave the room? Why don't you just not give a fuck? What stoner got you so rustled in your life that it's 10:57 PM and you have to debunk weed smokers on /fit/ in a thread that 8 people have stumbled upon? Fuck off back to tumblr faggot, not everyone is going to agree with you.
>>35583696 >There are literally no negative side effects documented, bar "short term memory while on it" Short term memory loss is a negative side effect you fucking sperg. I won't even mention other more permanent side effects like lower sperm count.
>if that can even be called negative Yeah lmao, I'm sure Alzheimer's patients love forgetting shit all the time.
>Why don't you read about the morris water maze to find out faggot? There's plenty of evidence for it being a good model. There's plenty of reason that it isn't a great model. A problem listed is that mice tend to stay around the edge of the pool. There's literally no evidence on anything about the study's mice except potentially that marijuana affects approach to pattern finding, with an example such as whatever the mice doesn't ordinarily try (which would actually be helpful in more problem-solving relevant studies). Furthermore, if the products make the mice feel great, they could just be taking a fucking swim.
I didn't mention the harvard study either. Yet, it doesn't seem conclusively negative.
>I think it's more likely that factors resulting in an increased risk for depression and anxiety etc.. are already in place for many people who will consume chronically. There seems no reason to imply that depression is anything but malnutrition for the majority of else-ordinary cases. Reward chemicals and energy are based almost completely on protein, and many sources list 50g of protein as plenty, including DV labels. Even more, zinc deficiencies supposedly has some really shitty side effects, and it's not as if zinc comes in droves. It's the same with other basics.
>you >willing to read research I'm pretty sure the majority of a thread extrapolating every potential effect of something like CB1 downregulation is obviously a ludicrous request. It's not necessarliy their place or interest finding resources explaining everything about such an idea. They could still provide helpful information if they do understand it.
>>35583014 >you didn't spoonfeed me wahhhh even though you told me where to look >here's something this older study says There's a reason I said to look at the 2015 study. Science will acknowledge if previous science is wrong, fascinating isn't it? >>35583011 That's hilarious that you bring up government funding when you completely glossed over my point. Funding gets pulled when the study doesn't fit the bias. This bias is basically non existent in schools but is everywhere outside of schools, which points to an example like the "weed during pregnancy" study in Jamaica which got funding pulled once the results didn't show negative effects. Tons of reasons for companies (Rx anyone?) to continue yellow journalism in an effort to preserve their customers as well.
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