Why do vegans age like absolute shit?

>>35547377
Because every time a vegan tells someone that eating meat is wrong and evil, they lose 30 seconds of their age.

The hodge twins are going to be next. Those faggots spitting their shit about how much better they feel after a month of not eating meat when they are old as fuck and have eaten meat every day for the last 45 years.

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>>35547377
His face 7 years ago. Veganism, not even once.

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26 year old vegan represent

>>35547377
looks like a fucking chimpanzee lol

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He only looks bad for his age for a human.
His diet of nothing but bananas is slowly turning him into a chimp, and by chimp standards he's ageing pretty well.

I think you mean 'why do cardio faggots age like absolute shit'

>>35547480
show us your tits

>>35547491
Show me yours

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>>35547497
Your turn

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>>35547510

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>>35547518
woman are so funny
haha lmao

>>35547377
They don't. Harley looks old as fuck cos he's got like no fat.

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The first image was the other week. The second was in 2008.

>>35547579
eating a reasonable amount of calories versus being a fat ass consuming too many calories

nothing to do with meat or vegetables

>>35547617
/thread

>>35547579
The improvement isn't from being vegan, it's from not being a fat cunt anymore

>>35547617
Actually I was vegetarian and hardly ate :c

I was on this medicine that fucked with my endocrine system

>>35547702
Your body did not defy thermodynamics because of a condition.

>>35547702
>hardly ate
oh fuck you.
We all know you were destroying gummi bears and all kinds of candy in the evenings

>>35547377
Carbs cause inflammation.

>>35547617
Do you not know how reverse image works you retarded newfag?

>>35547448
Never mind his face. His teeth! Holy fuck!

>>35547579
Tits ogtfo

>>35547702
Still fat.

>>35547377
Isn't he pretty old now anyways?

>>35547702
assuming that is true, then why did you make the image imply that veganism was what made you lose the weight / not being vegan was what made you fat

typical vegan propaganda

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>>35547804
whether its her posting or not is irrelevant, i simply debunked the image

>you're not allowed to respond to something which isnt original content

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>>35547814
I thought we were talking about age. Not my fault that this was what happened.

>>35547826
You're not allowed to respond to blatant bait

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>>35547826
funny thing is I'm not famous enough to Reverse

Meat eater in this image

Durianrider looks like an alcoholic, I'd say.

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>>35547848
Bait eh?

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>>35547853
He's on crack according to my sources

Vegetarian here. I'm 21 but with the face of a 14 year old. T-take that, meanies!

>>35547873
pics or it didn't happen

>>35547873
I'm a meat eater and look 6 years younger too.
I hope I'll look like I'm in my early twenties when i'm in my thirties at least

>>35547890
That's what everyone says.
>>35547882
I don't think so

>>35547480
Wow
You look 18

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>>35547377
Vegans do age like shit because they do nothing but worry about the environment like entitled yuppies.

>>35547377

malnutrition

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>>35548006
okay then

>>35548015

fuck off snaggletooth

I want the reddit spamgril to leave

>>35547702
>hardly ate
>got fat
That's not how it works anon

>>35548015
Do you really think you look young?

>>35547867
is crack vegan?

>vegans age like shit

most retarded meme meat eaters could come up with

facts:
-white people age like shit
-white people with a "vegan lifestyle", understand, spend your days running in the wild half naked under the sun age like turbo shit

i hope this has been informative, don't forget to upvote me

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>>35548015
Why this attentionwhoring?

you know this isnt /soc/ ya dirty hippie.

>>35548121

>b-b-black dont crack

lol fuck off memehead

>>35548121
>white people age like shit

Is this from The Onion?

>>35548095
It comes from a vegetable.

>>35547377
They eat like shit, so they themselves turn to shit

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Vegans have mental ilnesses check the comments
>http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should-think-twice-about-vegetarian-and-vegan-diets/

>>35548121
>white people age like shit
Only if you sunbathe and/or don't wear sunscreen

>>35548199

>this scrollbar is tiny it must be a big article
>nope just millions of butthurt comments

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>>35548199
>video in comments
>Talking about difference in digestive system
>animals that hunt eat in large amounts because they are built to eat intermittently
>mfw all the health benefits humans get from intermittent fasting.

I may not be able to eat a 45lb meal in one sitting like carnivore, but I know people who spend all day "grazing" on carbs, and they are fat.

>>35547422
I have now added this to my anti-vegan arsenal. Thank you Anon.

>>35547480
>>35547964
You look nice, but you do look really really young for your supposed age. And not just young, but verging on the "oh man, is that person malnourished?" side.

Almost all the vegans I know are incredibly small/slight.

>>35548015
You look about 30.

>>35548015
I would say >>35548742 is right
You look a lot like my sister in law, but she's 37. She's also a meat eater, for the record.

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How old?

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>>35547377
>being this jellymad of god tier durianrider aesthetics

You sound undercarbed as fuck. Why don't you eat a few bananas to calm down?

>>35549465
around 30

>>35549465
Triggered me hard just now. Ughhhh..

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>>35547480
I'd like to see you when you're 51 and all those carbs have taken your teeth.

high carb will make you age faster.
In theory, keto should be the best diet to make you look young. You will look splendid at your funerals after having a heart attack at 41

>>35549519
>high carb will make you age faster.
Why

>>35549530

well I'm no doctor or anything but thats what I heard. I also tried keto for a month and did notice better aesthetics (skin, teeth, eyes).

Also, apparently cancer cells only feed on carbs.

>>35548283
Calories in/Calories out always applies anon.

>>35549487
Half of those bananas gonna get wasted in a week

>>35547377
Veganism is the new paleo. Fucking diet hipsters crack me up.

>>35549566
That's the amount he consumes in 2-3 days.

https://youtu.be/YdSjGUjkr1g?t=1m35s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3zYhsqlO3g

>>35549530
>>35549557
i would associate the rapid aging in vegans with their decreased levels of growth hormone/ IGF-1.

while lower levels do increase the lifespan and are protective against cancer, negative effects are neuronal loss, skin thinning, muscle atrophy and a diminished sex-drive.

High levels of IGF-1 on the other hand enhance muscle and neuronal growth, while leading to a shorter lifespan.

>>35549696
Why just not kill himself lmao

I'm a vegan, I'm 26 in a few weeks and people always think my 22 and 20 year old brothers (who look a bit older than they are) are older than me. I am taller, fitter and healthier than both of them.

>>35547873

STOP

I was vegetarian from around 21-23. After I started eating meat again I had more energy, gained back all most lost weight (underweight) and had the most powerful erections known to man.

>>35549557
You also need glucose for a number of things. Like healthy hair growth. https://youtu.be/zbdbLx-NHAU?t=9m6s

Our brains evolved better thanks to glucose.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3189454/The-secret-man-s-intelligence-POTATOES-Humans-evolved-large-brains-ancestors-ate-starchy-carbohydrates.html

I prefer higher carbs(400-600g) and fats moderately low. Like 35-60g. Carbs mainly from sweet potatoes, beans, and other veggies. Fats from seeds, tempeh, and coconut oil mainly. My glycogen stores are almost always full and I feel best mentally.

Keto is just fine and healthy. Just not year round. I think it's best saved for short term dieting. When you need that appetite suppression. And you also get some water loss. But flatness, too.

Here's what my endo/bodybuilder friend says about HCLF vs. LCHF.

>Keeping inflammation markers in the low to medium ranges is what all of us need to do . You dont want to have high ranges of LDL, VLDL and Total Cholesterol along with High Insulin , High Glucose and High Triglycerides . If this occurs you will trigger your C-Reactive Protein to set off bells and whistles triggering tons of toxins that spread out from your gut and systemically roam everywhere in your circulating blood causing destruction . Either eat higher carb lower fat or higher fat lower carb , then periodically switch it up

By the way, OP. Vegan whole food diets the best for low inflammation. I don't need to post studies, just googly goo it.

>>35549812
Then you did something wrong. Anecdotal experiences are not acceptable evidence.

Zinc deficiency?

>>35549696

what an unsatisfying diet

>>35549812
you sound like most veggies who don't know what they are doing. A vegan who knows his stuff and can properly track his diet, like I do on cronometer, can get everything they need and then some whilst avoiding a lot of the shit in animal based diets.

>>35549564
Should be chemicals in / Chemicals out.

Yes a calorie is strictly by definition a unit of energy but the human body will metabolise different food stuffs in different ways.

That's why we have macros.

>>35547702
Physically impossible

>>35549812
Ignore the troll vegetarians anon, congratulations on being healthy again.

>>35549465
>How old?
Make-up.

>>35548834
>She's also a meat eater, for the record.
I think everyone already knew that anon

If anyone's interested in veganism, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZu0v5BYuo

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>>35549941

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I enjoy the widespread veganism tbqh familia
Veganism means less guys are going to make it, which means less competition for me. I look like a Greek God among vegans, and I only started lifting 2 years ago. It's like skinny hipsters all over again.

>>35549959
It's true. I just decided not to piss people off and link the video instead.

>>35549825
or one of the many other deficiencies.
>you did something wrong.
like trying to suddenly replace a hundreds of thousands year-long evolutionary behaviour using provisional nutritional "science"?

>>35549847
>everything they need
do you think the essential nutrients are the only ones you need?

>>35549941
a 1-hour long video is too long.

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>>35550022
Our brains did not evolve thanks to meat. And our digestive system is not designed for it either. If you look at our teeth we are frugivores. And the article I posted explains that our brains evolved thanks to glucose intake.

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>>35550057

>>35547480
Vegan for 4 days tehe

>>35550049
No, modern attention spans are just shit lol. And I'm guilty, too. It's a better use of time to get a deeper perspective on something as relevant as veganism seems to be becoming, rather than dicking around on /fit/.

>>35547873
Vegetarian for 2 months XD XD XD XS

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>>35550063
mb

>>35550037
no, I get literally everything from my vegan diet.

>>35550069
I was thinking the same thing. What if vegans made their children eat this way? Imagine how unhealthy and malnourished your son/daughter could be eating nothing but carrots/lettuce each day. Pisses me off just thinking about it.

>>35548015
Early 30s?

>>35549920
Na, she's one of these minimal make up done in about 2 minutes girls.

>>35550088
That picture doesn't prove anything.

Why can I chew meat with my mouth? Yes it's cooked, that's why our teeth are that way, to eat cooked meat, because we've been cooking meat for a while Hun.

>>35550089
post an example day

>>35549740
Underrated post

>>35550057

Gorrilas have massve canines and they don't eat meat.

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>>35550113

>>35550112
exactly, biologists have said being able to have a flexible diet and sterilize food with fire helped people get enough energy to begin building

>>35550126
yeah, primates definitely eat meat. whoever made it cannot into science.

>>35550057
chimpanzees ambush howler monkeys, tearing them limb from limb and eating them raw - "frugivore" means mostly fruit, not entirely.

>Our brains did not evolve thanks to meat
so you think having access to the most nutritionally rich food in abundance isn't related to the increase in size and activity of one of our most complex organs? If you have any evidence then share it by all means.

>>35550112
Yes it does. Look at the other facts(fact check it if you want) other than teeth. Digestive system, requiring more fiber, lower HCl.

>>35550092
There are books on doing it optimally. Vegans obviously eat more than carrots and lettuce. You getting pissed off at it is just a primal instinct. Because you're envisioning an all carrots and lettuce diet, which is retarded.

>>35550088
Chimpanzee's eat meat you idiot.

>>35550207
why don't you share your evidence for the assertion that meat is the reason we have big brains. As I understand it it was the act of learning to hunt and communicate with one another during the hunt that caused to development of a more sophisticated brain, not the nutrition gained from that hunting. I don't have a source for this, I remember reading it a long time ago. Then again I am not the one making claims here.

>>35550207
Sure, but our brains do run better on glucose.

>>35550145
Need the actual food. Even I can't manage that in 2700 cals.

>>35547518
hahaha, oh if only men were as funny and entertaining as women

>>35550213
>>35550213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQq93Q2txrs

Chimps eat a lot of meat. Unless you have some unsourced unresearched explanation why they shouldn't

>>35550251
I have been looking for it, it might be on my laptop so give me a minute. It's really not that much food though.

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>>35550272
>>35550251
yeah it was on my laptop

>>35550057
the article you posted says the main theory is that meat is responsible, and starchy foods is a new viewpoint among a handful of researchers who aren't even saying it was "instead" they're saying "as well as".
>up until now everyone thinks it's meat
>now they think starchy foods are vital, too
vital, too - as in meat is vital.

>>35550078
>attention spans
it's not a lack of attention-span but I don't believe there's enough on that video to warrant me spending an hour on it.
>something as relevant as veganism
I only see it as a trap for the uneducated so I spend a little time warning people off and trying to explain why it looks like such a risky undertaking. I don't think it's the next "movement of humanity" or anything.

>>35550292
breakfast
>oats
>peanut butter
>blueberries
lunch was a shake
>myprotein chocolate soy isolate
>fortified coconut milk
>flaxseed
>spinach (can't taste it, shakes are a great way to get a lot of raw spinach)
dinner
>bowl of rice, beans and chickpeas
>bowl of stir fried veggies
snack
>small bowl of peanuts

>>35550089
in high enough quantities?

>>35550322
yes
>>35550145
>>35550292
>>35550315

>>35550328
I assume you supplement with b12

>>35549816

I think it is a more successful approach to argue for reduced consumption rather than the all or nothing vegan-ism of zero meat.

I know for a fact the fast food addicts I work with are all walking health nightmares, fat, frequently sick, although also, they drink and never exercise.

>>35550126
while they were thought to be entirely vegetarian for a long time, they have been observed to eat meat.

not to mention that all wild animals eat insects and bacteria on the plant foods they eat.

>>35550340
it's in the coconut milk, I mentioned that the coconut milk is fortified. Only thing that would be considered a supplement other than my protein shake. I could just as easily have a meal with tofu, seitan, tempeh etc but I like the shake for conveniences sake. Make it in 2 mins in the morning then have a couple shakers worth in my bag.

>>35550145
I hope no-one thinks this is an exhaustive list of everything humans need.

>>35550145
people should seriously not rely on the data in cronometer or other nutrition tools like that. it is extremely misleading.

bioavailability is not taken into account.
much less iron, calcium and zinc from plant sources are absorbed than the amounts contained.

also, a huge chunk of the population is predisposed to absorption or intracellular transport issues, like only being able to absorb 60% of vitamin B12 in the gut.

>>35550354
I guarantee I have a more complete diet than most of the people who post on this board who eat meat and no one questions their diet.

I realise that but this is all cronometer tracks, which is a lot more extensive than myfitnesspal which is why I use it. If you can recommend a more comprehensive tracker I would be happy to hear it?

>>35550234
That's how having a larger brain helped us, but I mean needing the nutrients to run the brain. If you lack oily fish you're at higher risk of dementia. Also if I remember rightly, supplementing creatine supposedly helps brain function - creatine being found in large quantities in meat.

>>35550251
>brains run better on glucose
sure, as an energy source. Much more happens in the brain than simple bulk energy usage - we need to make new neuronal connections, as well as I'm sure a multitude of other things.

>>35547377

JUST

>>35547783
>>35547791
>>35547808
>>35547814
>>35548066
>>35549896
>TAKING THE BAIT

>>35550088
>pancreatic cancer

I'd rather have my cancer from meat, thank you very much.

It's better to shit liquid in a bag than to die like Steve Jobs.

>>35550404
our body produces creatine and our body can convert EPA which is available in nuts and seeds into DHA. Conversion isn't great and it is true that vegans can be deficient in DHA. If that is a concern then there are algae supplements that contain high levels of DHA. A lot of people don't eat oily fish regularly and supplement with fish oil tablets for this reason, this is no different to a vegan supplementing with algae tablets.

>>35550292
Not absorbing all the nutrients is my guess. Or not enough calories.

You want to soak your dry beans, oats, and replace peanut butter with almonds or walnuts. Not soaking them leaves anti nutrients in there. Remove the protein powders.

My staples are sweet potatoes, greens(6-8 servings), black beans, tempeh, coconut oil, hemp hearts, chia seeds, carrots, raw sauerkraut.

Higher carb. Lower fats and sodium. Maybe give that a shot if you're willing and see how you feel.

>>35549740

rapid aging in some "vegans" who don't lift, or eat enough macros, or may have other issues...

How about rapid aging among meat eaters... no need to search for unique special flowers, literally any fast food restaurant around here is filled with these people.

As for "aging" all this talk is bullshit. Lighting conditions influence appearance, let alone the CMOS processor in a typical camera. Not even considering genetics....

>>35550387
>Although it is clear that vegetarians have lower iron stores, adverse health effects from lower iron and zinc absorption have not been demonstrated with varied vegetarian diets in developed countries, and moderately lower iron stores have even been hypothesized to reduce the risk of chronic diseases.

>The iron and zinc from vegetarian diets are generally less bioavailable than from nonvegetarian diets because of reduced meat intake as well as the tendency to consume more phytic acid and other plant-based inhibitors of iron and zinc absorption. However, in Western countries with varied and abundant food supplies, it is not clear that this reduced bioavailability has any functional consequences. Although vegetarians tend to have lower iron stores than omnivores, they appear to have no greater incidence of iron deficiency anemia. With current methods, it is not possible to effectively evaluate the influence of vegetarian diets on zinc nutrition because there are no reliable and sensitive criteria to identify marginal zinc nutriture in humans. The effectiveness of trace element supplementation of vegetarian diets has not been demonstrated, and any recommendations for supplementation should consider potential adverse effects, including possible competitive interactions between minerals. Research to further define the functional consequences of low iron stores without anemia and to sensitively detect marginal zinc status is needed to detect and prevent any possible problems associated with lower iron and zinc absorption from vegetarian diets.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.full

>>35550392
>some meat-eaters are less healthy than me
I'm not saying you should eat like a typical meat-eater, I'm saying your diet is most likely incomplete through a lack of meat. I think healthiest would be 90% plant foods and meat one or two days, seafood more often.

It's undoubtedly true that a lot of meat-eaters are unhealthy, but I haven't seen them trying to hold up their unhealthy habits as ideal.

it seems like you're trying to reassure me your diet is complete and has "everything", but that list isn't everything so for me it may as well be no evidence. I'm sure that 90%+ of nutrition is available in plant for - it's the odd little non-essential nutrients which I think we need meat and seafood for.

When you eat meat, you take a part of that animal into yourself, transferring their energy into your own. Essentially, you're taking a bit of their soul and using it to strengthen your own. However, the animal itself is made up of the energy it got from eating plants or other animals, essentially creating a domino effect of energy.

It's why cannibals usually turn into wendigos. They can't handle all the energy and taking in the soul of a sentient creature.

>>35550459
I do soak them. I like the protein powder for convenience but I don't have it every day. My diet is very varied.

Why are you replying to me as if I said I was tired or something? I have never felt better since going vegan 6 months ago and my diet is fine. I am starting a degree in Dietetics next year at a top UK university, I know what I am doing when it comes to nutrition. Studying it is my hobby. Unfortunately I am very busy these days so I am not able to eat perfectly every day but generally speaking my diet is on point. My sodium is a little high but that is because I input that I ate canned beans and chickpeas out of convenience but I in fact ate a canned amount (240 grams) from dried legumes I soaked myself. My sodium wasn't actually that high. I find I perform better with higher fat also, for me I feel tired and weak if I drop fats below 65 grams. This was a higher day than usual as I snacked on some peanuts.

>>35550443
I don't recommend supplementing at all. There are multiple supplements I take already, some of which like enzymes I would recommend to anyone.

Supplementing should be an absolute last resort and a lot of it should be the admission of failure of a diet as "ideal".

>our body produces creatine and can convert DHEA
That it -can- do that isn't the same as saying it 100% -will-. If the system of self-production evolved supplementing meat and seafood intake, for example when availability was low in winter etc. then it won't necessarily be up to the task of taking over entirely. Without evidence that is entirely wish-fulifilment. There isn't even a way of assessing whether internal production makes enough until we know how much someone needs, and working out where optimal human functioning is seems like a potentially contentious issue.

>algae
sure, the fish are only a mechanism to bring the algae to us - but we've been using that mechanism for a while and suddenly by-passing it isn't necessarily going to produce the same result.

>>35549802
>I am taller, fitter and healthier than both of them.

meaning what? Too many variables.

Show me a 40 year old guy with normal BMI and blood pressure and this automatically puts him in 95% threshold where I live.

Behind every lazy fat ass around here is inactivity, poor diet high in animal protein fat salt etc., nogains, never exercise, never cardio, multiple prescription drugs and etc.

The worst though is when it comes time to chow down, any normal lunchtime / dinnertime, let alone holiday feast, these hamplanets are guilt-stricken, nofun, picky, can'tchow, morons so conflicted they can't indulge any pleasure.

For a release they stuff themselves at every opportunity. No one desires them sexually and they have no other avenue for pleasure but to eat.

As for most meat eaters, the practice of constant meat eating means the meat isn't valued, isn't appreciated, isn't really felt. Its just inhaled and shat out, with most of the protein wasted.

Its lifting and exercise, muscle cells which stimuate GH which stimulate IGF-1. We only need 0.9-1.6g/kg bodywieght in protein and you will get it from the scientifically validated diet of diverse colorful vegetables.

>>35550477
vegetarian includes animal products sometimes.

>>35550546
I don't supplement either and my bloods always come back fine, I was just showing that there is an option to get DHA IF you are deficient and want to supplement whilst still doing so as a vegan.

>>35550477
my point is not, that low iron levels have negative effects, but that the portrayed data in the graphic is misleading.
the amounts of nutrients shown there are only the ones contained in the food, not the ones that are bioavailable.

that's even moreso relevant for people who are genetically prone to have low plasma levels of a certain nutrient, as i've stated.

>>35549511
>colon cleansing
Those kinky hippies

>>35549941
Fuck off, there is literally nothing wrong with killing animals.

>>35547518
That's actually pretty funny.

>>35550573
it's possible to supplement everything there is in meat and seafood, I don't think that's a sensible course of action, though. As for blood-work, I doubt they're testing for all your non-essential nutrient levels.

There's also a broader question of whether you are "healthy enough" to make it through the medical system without them wanting to invest resources in you, and on the other hand functioning at an optimal level. The former is defined by what it takes to live a normal life, make it to the cubicle on time every day not too depressed able to make calculations etc. - it's determined by economic pressures, not the demands of the human body let alone ideal and optimal functioning.

In short I think the standards of health and vitality we expect of each other are too low.

>>35547702
Oh fuck off. Was this "endocrine medicine" sold in one-pint tubs? Were the dispensing pharmacists named Ben and Jerry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1MpU6ue6-s

Vegans have autism
>hur dur its natural even though I have to spend a month researching which foods I need to eat just to avoid calcium, zinc, iron deficency

>>35550668

XD SO SATRICAL

>>35550668
If you like the taste of something natural, it seems like that's a solid sign it's what you need.

I love how in these threads vegan diets get picked apart piece by piece, looking at the bio-availability of specific nutrients when even the American Dietetic Association has come out saying that a properly planned vegan diet can be healthy.

Why are you not looking so in depth into your own diets? Why do I not see threads talking about the bio-availability of iron and zinc in a standard omnivorous diet? I put it to you that it can be easily proven that the animal agriculture business is disgusting and vile, that the environmental impact and the untold suffering it causes to billions of animals is reprehensible. The health implications of an animal based diet are well documented and the evidence is out there for all to see but instead of facing reality and making some changes, you simply don't want to because "muh bacon tastes good" you spend your time and energy picking at every minuscule detail of the vegan diet, an undertaking you would never do with your own diet. It's amusing and sad at the same time.

You are desperately looking for any tiny little reason why a vegan diet is lacking in some way, and it isn't. It is exhausting having the same argument again and again about B12, iron, zinc etc. These arguments are trivial as all of these things are easy to get without animal products.

>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

I would like some of you meat eaters to plug any typical day into cronometer and show me that your diet is better than mine in terms of the full range of vitamins and minerals you are getting.
>>35550145

>>35550656
this idea of healthy enough does not apply. I live in the UK but do not use the NHS. I am fortunate enough to have a very wealthy father so any health care and medical work I get is privately done and much more extensive than the "get em in get em out" style you would see in most hospitals.

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>>35550145
I get that much protein on 1400 calories.

And mine is actually good, vs that worthless shit that comes in legumes.

>>35547377

No collagen since no animal products

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>>35549511
>>35547377

B-b-but....

>>35547480

your lips stopped growing cause you didnt eat meat

>>35548121
>Jelly nigger enters the thread

>>35550843
you only need 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight at a maximum. I weigh 165 pounds at the moment so 165 x 0.8 = 132 which I clearly surpass.

Legumes and all my other protein sources are complete, look at my amino acid break down retard. Fats and carbs are great for you, given that your only focus was on my protein intake I can only assume you know very little about nutrition other than what you read in the sticky and what you have read other retards spouting on /fit/

>>35550906
>says I know nothing about nutrition
>ignores BV and PCDAAS of his shitty protein sources

So you are stupid right?

>>35550057
Nigger are you fucking retarded
>omnivore teeth structure
>omnivore teeth positioning
>omnivore teeth development
>jaws comparable to other omnivores; share some features with carnivores, very few with herbivores such as cows, sheep, horses, rhinos or elephants

Even considering only that is enough to discard the rest of the bullshit there. The guy who made it is completely retarded since he considers humans are perfectly adapted to consume an omnivorous diet, which is not true, which is also the reason why you get a mish-mash of both herbivore and carnivore features, just like every other fucking omnivore, such as pigs, bears and hippos.

Have fun waving your cult around famiglia and keep eating however you want, nobody will stop you, but don't attempt to promote it as a science when you're fucking incapable of doing so and the very nature of our bodies contradicts you.

>>35550874
holy shit you're stupid. ALL proteins are broken down into amino acids by the stomach and in the small intestine where they are absorbed and enter the blood stream. Our body then produces proteins in the cells where they are needed. Eating collagen has nothing to do with how much collagen a person has. Take a high school level biology class dumbass.

>>35550145
>>35550843
can people post their bloodwork instead please? this kind of data is useless.

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>>35550754
>I love how you are trying to logically think this through
>Won't anybody think of the feelies of the animal???///

Fuck off retard

>>35550937
I didn't ignore anything. Beans have a BV of 78% compared to 95% for meat. Soy isolate is also 95%. So I miss out on 17% of my protein from my legume sources, big fucking deal.

>>35550843
You're taking in way too much protein. 1g/lb is the most anyone who isn't on steroids will need, even a growing teenage boy who lifts weights doesn't need more than a gram per pound.
And you apply the gram/lb or 2.2g/kg to your LEAN body mass, which ends up resulting in something like 0.8 grams per pound for most people. Inactive or maintaining people need even less protein, something like 0.5-1 gram per kg or 0.3 grams per pound.

>>35550957
If I can find my bloodwork from 2 months ago I will post it. Recently moved and I am not the most organised person in the world so I can't promise anything.

>>35548216
fucking kek

>>35550967
yeah I'm the retard. I'm not the one massively contributing to the destruction of the only planet we have to live on right now because I like burgers and cheese.

>>35550969
Now multiply that by the PDCAAs of around ~70% for how much of that shit protein can be used as AA.

Now what do you get?

>>35550979
I weigh 192...

>>35550754
>the American Dietetic Association has come out saying
then they're wrong. The standards of human health aren't about whether you're functioning at the top of your range of abilities, as long as you're not significantly less healthy than the average you are "healthy" but it isn't much to aspire to.
>Why are you not looking so in depth into your own diets?
implying we don't.
>business is vile
this is not specific to meat-eating
>environmental impact
every time you do something it has an environmental impact, if you wanted to reduce it 100% then you would suicide. I think we will solve our issues more effectively with a well-fed and highly-functioning society than we will with a herd/horde of malnourished and confused early-dementia risks.
>health implications
that's about eating more plant foods which everyone should, not about making an arbitrary dichotomy of -either- plant -or- meat. The ideal healthy diet is still most likely 90%+ plant foods (with a lot of variety) AND some meat (red especially) and seafood.

I understand the miniscule failings of the vegan diet because I'm concerned about my own diet. I don't do it out of blind hatred. I understand -wanting- to be vegan, but I don't believe it's safe.
>any tiny little reason
little tiny "micro"-nutrients are important, and it IS lacking in micro-nutrient density.
>B12, iron, zinc
I hope you don't think this is all that is missing from the vegan diet. You need to look at non-essential nutrients as well.
>easy to get without animal products
but it isn't AS easy to get them, and if the RDA is too low (which I think is likely) then you might need some help in reaching the amounts.
>American Dietetic Association
I think they're wrong, I don't see why they're saying diets deficient in micro-nutrients are "nutritionally adequate" unless as I say the standards are too low.
>cronometer
it doesn't have all the micro-nutrients.

>>35551026
soy protein is 1 and IIRC legumes are around .8. I will still be getting well over 115-125 which is over 0.7 grams per pound of body weight. More than enough to make gains on.

>>35550793
fair enough, but the standards in terms of RDA levels would still apply. As I understand it they aren't about expanding human potential, just staving off illness.

>>35551064
soy protein powder I should have said

>>35550979
I only eat 150g and make gains. I know a 260lb roider. lean'ish. Eats around 150g protein as well.

>>35551064
145*.7*.7 = ~71g

71/165 = .43g per lb

BV = how much your body can actually break down
PDCAAs = how much of broken down protein can be used as AA.

Legumes are around 70% on both scales. .7*.7 means roughly half of the protein you are eating is wasted.

>>35551134
my point was that a lot of my protein comes from my soy isolate which is 95 and 1. Only 50 grams comes from legumes.

>>35551024
if there's a solution to human impact it will come from our brains - turning us into low-functioning malnourished dementia-sufferers won't help us find scientific solutions.

If we NEED meat then it isn't an option to stop eating it even if it reduces CO2 emissions.

>>35551155
So you supplement the majority of your protein intake and are going to tell someone else they know nothing about nutrition.

So you are retarded.

At least we got that cleared up.

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>>35547448

>>35551169
not a majority, about 50 grams. I could get it from food but between lifting, martial arts, studying and work having a shake is just much more convenient for me.

I thought nutritional science was supposed to be in its infancy at its best, and a pseudo-science at its worst.

>>35547377
>Why do VEGETARIANS age like absolute shit?
FTFY
Malnutrition, that's why. It's also why their brains don't work correctly.

>>35547783
You should've seen my dad on antipsychotics... I think that's mostly water retention, but the metabolism can stretch "thermodynamics" pretty well under certain circumstances.

>>35547440
They started looking smaller pretty much immediately when they stopped eating meat. I'm thinking its an excuse for them to get off gear and justify their loss in size.

>>35551952
anti psychotics are horrific for weight gain. I had to be on them for about 4 months in 2011 and in that time I gained 25 pounds. I was eating almost exactly as I was before, moving less sure but not 5 plus pounds a month worth.

>>35547377

Because plants don't have souls worth harvesting for eternal youth and nothing makes you feel younger than drinking the blood of a baby calf for delicious soul gains

What is with you faggots and protein? Protein doesn't make gainz. Protein doesn't do shit. You probably get enough protein from all the nuts you suck on throughout the day.

Sorry kids, you need fat. Fat is necessary for brain development, for the structure of your cell walls, and it's pretty much the main energy source you will want (add carbs in if you want mad gainz.

Go paleo or fuck off.

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>>35547480
Would berry

>>35550096
haha

>>35548095
I doubt it. but are roids?

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>>35548834
really?

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>>35551952
>putting thermodynamics in quotations

>>35550557
>they have no other avenue for pleasure but to eat
that's what I noticed too. And it scares me

>>35550843

>all those supplement stats

How much of that is coming from actual food?

>>35550145

Where the fuck are you getting 30g of saturated fat from and why?

>>35554901
Coconut or chocolate, obviously
Saturated fat boosts testosterone

>>35547377
because 99% of them are either hippies or just plain autistic and they don't take care of themselves which means:
>no skin care whatsover (sometimes not even sunscreen which wouldn't be that bad if they didn't love the outdoors)
>dress like shit
>pay less than a buck for their haircuts
>not showering
etc. etc.

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>>35547480
>being vegan
>being pretty much a homeless
of fucking course

>>35555105

No it doesn't

>>35549487
wow are those all going in his ass?

>>35548015
Your vegan eyes are so lifeless you look like a character from the polar express

>Is vegan
>expects good things to happen

???

>>35550145
>>35550145

>86g fibre.

You spend a long time in the bathroom don't you?

>>35551172
they both look like drug addicts

>>35548015
you do not look young.

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Almost all of them look like nutrient deficient retards. I grew up in USSR, they literally remind me of pictures of Gulag prisoners. There's something about their lips and eye sockets that's very similar.

And those that don't probably lie about being kool trendy vegans and secretly eat animal food.

>>35548015
This bitch is UGLY no body and feels entitled to try to show off to guys and get attention on a korean oil painting sight. Fucking pathetic kill yourself.

>>35556912
*site

>>35549530
ADVANCED
GLYCATION
ENDPRODUCTS

>>35547377
Because what they're doing is the opposite of healthy.

>>35550088
you know monkeys and other primates eat meat right? our teeth are shaped like that because of the size of our esophagus...

>>35556965

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497781

>Dietary advanced glycation end products (dAGEs) are known to contribute to increased oxidant stress and inflammation, which are linked to the recent epidemics of diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
>Animal-derived foods that are high in fat and protein are generally AGE-rich and prone to new AGE formation during cooking. In contrast, carbohydrate-rich foods such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and milk contain relatively few AGEs, even after cooking.

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>>35550088
damn nature, you scary

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>>35550088
>>35557253

>>35557085
THAT'S BECAUSE CARBS TURN INTO AGES AFTER BEING EATEN, DUMDUM

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>>35557275
>earth-touch.com
So touching....

>>35547377
because they aren't eating real food

>>35557284

So don't eat refined sugar, dumdum

>>35557355
You've got to eat Real Food

>>35556273
>>35556292
T H I S
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S

>>35556381


the most illuminating studies in terms of fiber/saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat/saturated fat ratios, which is extremely relevant when discussing the average vegan diet which shuns even plant-based saturated fats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9029197
>(negative correlation between post exercise testosterone concentration and intake of polyunsaturates)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8942407
>(high fiber low fat decreases test)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6538617
>(higher polyunsaturated fat intake to saturated fat intake decreases test)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11525593
>Our results indicate that in men a decrease in dietary fat content and an increase in the degree of unsaturation of fatty acids reduces the serum concentrations of androstenedione, testosterone and free testosterone

>>35557357
ALL CARBS TURN INTO GLUCOSE IN THE BODY DUMDUM

All these vegans getting BTFO

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>>35557820
This. I'm a vegan and I'm sick to death of people like Freefreak promoting highcarb because the sugar doesn't turn into fat. Technically they are right. It turns into glucagen. But that turns into fat is unused. Fucking idiots.

>>35550754
Sounds like this ADA organization is run by marxists and vegan enablers

Veganism confirmed for eugenicist's diet of choice. Even Freelee herself said she lost her period somehow deluding herself into thinking that it's a good thing.

>>35550088

>acidic urine
>imagine dying due to being held captive in acidic lion piss

all of this is fucking bullshit. you wont die if you go vegan (unless you are really really really retarded), and you wont die if you eat meat. if you dont go into a competitive sport where you want to compete on international level, it does not matter. if you want to do well at world level, it might matter, but some athletes claim to perform better vegan while others dont.


>>35559328
veganism is your average anorexic girls excuse for anorexia.

>>35547480
Holy fuck youre perfect.
Ill turn vegan for you baby

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>>35549487

>dying from radiation poisoning

>>35549802
Actually this is common. Most people switching to a vegan diet feel fucking great for somewhat differing periods of time, this is the proof that they use to get people in on it, and what they fool themselves with. Its the long term that fucks with them, ESPECIALLY the raw food vegans. After a year or some the body starts to break down, start to age, start going a bit batshit insane.

There are basically close to no instance of a person going raw food vegan long term successfully without cheating. Offtimes they say they are healthy DESPITE the occasional steak of burger, and that is because their diet is so good. The ones that do ok long term basically live on pizza and protein shakes and aren't really what you would call health freaks. If you do it how its supposed to be done, you will fail. And the people in the vegan community will tell you that it is because you didn't vegan hard enough. It's a cult, get out before your body runs out of reserves and your mind goes.

>>35559629
been vegan for 6 years now, when does the insanity set in?

on a more serious note, the effect you are seeing is because veganism is probably the biggest retard magnet there is. hipsters start it because "its 2016" and they just cut out meat, eggs and milk out of their normal omni diet and just eat more of whatever is left (which is normally mostly bread, rice and potatoes, because nobody eats any vegetables at all).

add to that that they probably drink half of their calories as beer or other alcohol at hipster parties, chainsmoke, smoke weed, never sleep and lead extremely unstable (therefore stressfull) lifes.

thats how you get unhealthy.

on a related note, does the guy in the OP literally eat mainly bananas?

and does it really suprise you that this may be unhealthy

>>35549511
God damn, what magic have those jews woven to consistently create such enticing succubi?

>>35549487
Seriously? Literally every picture of him out there shows he is a skelly 68kg bag 'o' coke

>>35559804
Don't worry anon, it's possible it may never happen,
but if you feel the need to convert people to veganism, begin to worry.

When we insult vegans, we are not insulting your choice to eat plants, but an entire mindset which makes some people insufferable pricks.
Hopefully this mindset will eventually one day lead to a rich vegan buying an island and setting up a vegan refuge and pay for them to all relocate, where they can all live out their lives without protesting in busy resteraunts, or screaming at normal people.

I hope you haven't turned by then, so you too can enjoy the benefit of a "vegan"less society.

>>35548869
oh no what will we do when you leave

>>35549696
fuck lold

that's the saddest thing I've heard in a long time

even a monkey would get bored and they LOVE bananas :^)

>>35547518

Didn't realise Howard Stern had such massive gyno

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>>35557820
Yes but whole plant food sources of carbohydrate come along with anti-glycation agents. The only way for AGEs to form in any significant quantity, then, is if glycolytic intermediates build up, which only happens if you're insulin resistant. So partially restricting carbohydrates will make matters worse.

If you eat a zero carbohydrate diet, ketones form AGEs even more readily than carbohydrates. You'll have more AGEs than someone on the standard american diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16037240

And don't forget about that protein. Unless you co-ingest a carbonyl scavenger, the kind of hyperaminoacidemia you would get from eating a piece of chicken or steak will cause as much endogenous AGE formation as pure glucose. Protein supplements like whey would be even worse.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15698434

>>35547480
You're cute as all hell :3

Please stop being a vegan if it's going to make you JUST-tier, you're breddy good now

>>35547579
Was there an introduction to exercise during this period too?

Because that would also be a contributing factor (i.e. it may not be just dietary)

>>35547480
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