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He is absolutely right. Discuss.
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He is absolutely right. Discuss.
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He's kind of wrong. Some people start off better, or just learn faster. I think a better phrase would be something like an average man that works hard will beat a genius that doesn't.
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>>35501229
That is some crappy generic motivational slogan.

>impossibul is nothing xD
>no pain no gain bro
>just le do it
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>>35501254
lol
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>>35501229
Fighting is 50% luck. One lucky punch and its over.
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>>35501229
Where do you think we are?
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>>35501268
sara jean is my nofap bane.
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>>35501229
>human
>equal
>irish
Wew.
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>>35501254
It's the truth though.
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It's easy to say talent doesn't matter when you're the most talented
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Not true at all
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I fight in a gym in the uk, and I go 3x a week. If you go less, you get your subs back and told not to waste your time.

Apart from one guy.

This one guy comes in 2x a week, 3x max.

He trains hard, but no harder than the rest of us.

He beats us all.

He has got talent.
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I once told a friend of mine "my intelligence is far superior than their effort" when I said I was planning on changing careers to maths she scolded me because I took up the place of someone who could finish the career and would put a lot more effort into it. However, when I presented the introduction of my thesis I was heavily praised on something I spent 3 hours working on the day before.
What would you say, I'm not talented in sciences? Am I obsessed and put a shit ton of effort? No.
On the other hand, the only people I lift more than in my gym are the girls that have been going as long as I (~1 year), every single male there lifts more than I or eventually lifts more than I.
Let's talk about things the way they are. Some people have far superior capabilities than others, that's how life is. Horrible, degrading, demeaning, but it's how it is.
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>>35501229
I mean it 100% depends on what you mean by "talent". Sure nobody's gonna be a master at playing guitar if they've never played it, but when it comes to sports such as powerlifting, MMA or sprinting genetics or "talent" play a HUGE roll.
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>>35501229

Yeah because we could all be record breaking sprinters, international Rugby players etc if we tried hard enough. I'm sorry but somebody with down syndrome can be obsessed as they want but they will never break an Olympic record
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>>35501229
Absolute nonsense, strictly speaking. You can be born with a bent up spine or any number of minor deformities that will make it dramatically harder to be good at sports than someone without those deformities. Things like neural structure and hormone levels vary even more than that, and those are what we call talent when it comes to sports.

I have a long torso and short legs. Never will I ever be an elite runner. I will, however, have an edge in swimming. It's just as simple as that but with a million variables.
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>>35501433
This. It's just how many bench press champions are either manlets or have short arms. Often both.
And every single one of them has a good chest bone structure.
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>>35501229
I could be the most talented manlet on the planet, no way I'm ever winning a dunk contest.
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>>35501355
what site is that?
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>>35501483
Farmersonly.com
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>>35501268
At first i thought this was my girlfriends sister
I was about to freak
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>>35501252
no he is completely wrong. just anyone that's 6' 3 can be the next lebron james or kobe or even micheal? this guys needs to shut the fuck up
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>>35501491
now i don't have to be lonely.
(city folks just don't get it)

no but seriously tho.....
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he's right
miyamoto musashi explains this spirit quite well: it's the spirit of winning.

most people are cowards, though.
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>>35501268
I hate seeing women happy
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>>35501515
how the hell is your hand supposed to have a sister?
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>>35501252
you can then work really hard and that will get you places no doubt.
but then you run into those genius (talented) people who also work hard. ie McGregor, world champion.
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>>35501272
>50% luck
hmm is that why the best fighters continually win? they are continually lucky? floyd mayweather flipped 49 coins heads? is that what youre trying to say?
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>>35501531
>drinking the kenjutsu kool-aide
*unsheathes fedora*

be honest with me anon, do you own any bladed weapons?
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>>35501531
>if you believeeeeee
>you just gotta believeeee
nice rare meme, friend
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>>35501524
asymetricweakness.com
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>>35501524
Symmetricstrength
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>>35501229
I'm not going to take a fighter's thoughts on human physiology too seriously.
Think this is more of a science field.
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>>35501537
reddit/10
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>>35501558
No his 50% skill is superior to the others. Upsets happen all the time in fighting. The more skilled, talented, obsessed fighter who gets all the hype, ends up knocked out because of that lucky shot thrown wildly with no skill.
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>>35501534
>pic related: me
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>>35501537
You are so funny
Pic related from past post
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>>35501606
It isnt 50% luck, you cant even put a number on luck.
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>>35501623
Is that your gf?
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>>35501355
bro i squat more than u deadlift mane
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>>35501229
So if I, a 170cm manlet work hard, I can gain enough reach to beat him?
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>>35501524
Symmetricstrength.com
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>>35501272
>>35501606
>>35501625
It's actually 10% luck, 20% skill and 15% concentrated power of will combined with a sprinkle of about 5% pleasure and a whopping 50% pain
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>>35501657
>2 months at 80kg
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>>35501355
How can you faggot cunts have that low upper-body strength compared to the lower body? Do you drop the bar when you are doing deadlifts?
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>>35501671
This guy
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>>35501671
Is this your specs from Fallout 4?
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>>35501534
yeah, it usually means some poor sod is miserable somewhere as the female draws resources and attention from him in order to fulfill her frivolous female ambitions
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>>35501698
No but what does dropping the bar have to do with the upper body?
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All else being equal (not being born defective) the person who spends more time practicing a skill is much more likely to be the best. Practicing something from child changes your body etc.
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I have no doubt he's obsessed, but his freaky long arms and crazy hand speed...talent. Sure training will speed up the hands. But it's overwhelmingly genetic.
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>>35501671
Its actually 1% luck, 2% skill, 3% training, 4 % hours worked on arms, 5% how much your dick hangs lower than your balls and 110% scoops.
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>>35501252
He's right, let's take chess for instance smart people will understand it faster but it's practice what makes you a master.
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>>35501729
Nothing, it was 2(two) different questions.
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>>35501740
You have got to be a total idiot to believe he started with that speed. It's absolutely all training other than his reach, stop making excuses.
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>>35501707
Nah I specced in intelligence, charisma and strength, to reflect myself, an individual who is intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.
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>>35501229
Basically he's saying "genetic differences don't exist"
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>>35501534
Me too
Can't figure out why tho..
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>>35501718
i dont have a fedora folder but i want u to know that your post almost made my google hat pictures so i could attach one to this reply

almost
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>>35501810
I got you fäm
>>35501718
Pic related is you, dyel fedora wearing neckbeard loser.
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>>35501634
No, its my gf sister
This is gf
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>>35501804
>charisma

God damn it's working. You had me at "Nah"
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>>35501795
Maybe 80% of it then.

Explosiveness/speed is overwhelmingly genetic. The same reason you or I will never have a 40 inch vertical while the NFL is full of them.
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>>35501229
>faggot tries to inflate his self worth by claiming he has no talent
>sure breh
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>>35501707
It's Fort Miner lyrics
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>>35501229
>>35501863

He's gonna turn around and start selling some P90x bullshit for wannabe fighters.

You can be like me, just buy C-MacX for 3 installments of $39.95 plus S&H
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>>35501844
Damn son, you dropped the ball right then.

Reroll for the sis
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So you're telling me (white, 5'10") I could beat Kevin Durant or LeBron James on 1v1 if I tried hard enough? gtfo
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>>35501671
And 100% reason to remember the name.
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>>35501229
"obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated"
>rip zyzz
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>>35501671
>>35501750
Wrong, it is 5% luck, 2% skill, 90% squats, 1% exercises for the upper-body and a gallon of 100% organic milk a day
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>>35501705
this gif is fucking cute! people just want to love eaachother
even combat is a form of love, you can open up and be free with your opponent
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>>35501312
Obv we are all equal but the Irish are more equal than anybody else
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>>35501355
Seems like a shit routine to me. Why would anyone willingly go trex mode
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>>35501935
>those delts

fraud
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>>35502215
I'm not t rex, just long arms.
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>>35501355
>210 kg DL
>90 kg bench
how long are your arms, anon?
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Kek. At his elite level of physical achievements (or anyone in any other field for that matter) all the non-talented have been filtered out. Every single one of his peers are talented and it's dedication and hard work that sets one apart from the rest.
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>>35502283
They call him Jimmy the reach
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>>35502283
wing span is 78inches
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>>35501551
Nah see, it's just obsession like McGregor said. When you are absolutely OBSESSED with something, as long as you have no mental or physical deficiency there's nothing stopping you from becoming a star. People who are OBSESSED with a skill/sport/craft will analyze every minute detail and strive for absolute perfection. It doesn't take an intellectual genius to break down fighting or basketball into its pieces, it just takes someone who is observant and highly highly motivated.
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>>35501935
and 100% reason to shitpost on the 'ch0n!
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>>35501254
Kek'd irl
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>>35502453
Me2 bro XD
I will share it on reddit now roflmao!!
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>>35501229
wrong

just look at soccer kids, some of them play like beasts at young age while other are shit, although both have similiar training times
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>>35501562
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>>35502110

Kill yourself
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>>35501838
thanks man

good looking out

that's a good one as well lmao
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>>35501912
Naw....i love this girl.
Shes beautiful too me and is extremely smart
She is logical and not a dumb cunty whore
First girl ive actually trusted with anything.
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>>35501229
I kind of agree, so long as you're not crippled, dedication and time can get you far. But there will always be someone who can hypothetically take that same dedication and time and get further with it.
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This is like when rich people say money doesn't matter
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>>35502525
That has to do with who grows/develops first. They are kids. The biggest kid on the baseball team general throws harder and swings with more power. Football , kids team they put biggest kid in as RB and he plows over everyone. Children develop at different speeds.
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Yeah I could have been the next Randy Moss if I just worked harder.
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>You will never be as smart as Albert Einstein because you don't have the time to read every book ever made
Why even bother living.
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>>35501518

You think those guys didn't work themselves raw every single day? I've never even watched NBA but it's pretty obvious that Jordan was absolutely obsessed with being the best.
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>>35501363
im kinda that guy, i train once a week, and spar maybe twice a month

and im by no means the toughest guy in the world, but in the gym i slap peoples shit, including freaks who train easily 25+ days a month

no idea why my talent wont translate into the cage
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>>35501844
That's a dude
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>>35503456
>no idea why my talent wont translate into the cage
I'm a master at every single Tekken game, why wont it translate to real life?
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>>35501534
>>35501808
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>>35501272
No such thing as luck in fighting. Every punch thrown is a punch thrown thousands of times in practice.
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>>35503513
Then what have i been licking and dicking if there isnt a cock?
Youre fucking retarded
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>>35503525
relevant how?
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>>35501229
Bull.
Talen exists. And in some cases, its unfair. I box, and I have a genetic weakness, my jaw is weak. Its loose, and if I take a shot to it, I always risk it shattering. I could lose just because of that, so I have to spend a lot of time training around it.
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Some people can make photo realistic drawings of people and birds when they're 17 years old.

Most of us struggle with straight lines.

People are naturally talented at different things.
It's nothing to cry about and it's fun trying to discover what you're good at.
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>>35503559

butthole probably
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Inspiring to say, a lot like Will Smith saying I might be a dumb nigger but i work harder than you. There is no sense in being a narcissistic loser crybaby. If you are one, youre just lazy and afraid of hard work
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>>35501229
No, he is full of shit.
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>>35501252
Not what he means familia. The world is full of gifted people. The world is also filled with wasted talent. It's not necessarily the guy who starts off better that goes the farthest. But it is always the guy who dedicated himself, pushed himself, and stuck with it.
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>>35502474
;^)
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>>35501355
Fuck that press and bench strenght is pityful
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>biology is a social construct :^)
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>>35502420
>as long as ur in the top 99.999% of talent, talent doesn't matter!
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>>35501272
lol yeah total luck
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>>35504519
>>35501272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH4hoF0QMkQ

Complete luck
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>>35501363
>>35503456
Are there any MMA gyms where I can train with no intentions of competing and just do it for fun and fitness?
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>>35501229
>quote by a manlet

surprise surprise lmao
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>>35501229
>we are all equals
Nah I'm taller you potato eater
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>>35501844
Thats a dude with tits.
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>>35501229

brb, gonna go obsess over sprinting. That will make me as fast as Usain Bolt, like all the other professional sprinters are
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95% of the population could be beaten by pure grinding and exceptional work ethics but when you get to that top 5% talent is really important.
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>>35503374

You completely missed the point.
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Its all about effort bro

For sports
>why are positions determined heavily by body type?
>why are there weight classes?
>why is there an effect where the whole pro team has similar birthday months through a compounded advantage of having several months physical development on other kids and getting coaches attention for being "better" since grade school
>what is different bone structure? What are scottish hips? Wait there are three different types of shoulders and only one of them is present in athletes who need good shoulders?

For your brains
>what is critical learning period hypothesis?
>why is it so crucial to language and math early?
>why is IQ so genetic?

But lettuce bee cereal. There is zero reason to have limiting beliefs and not put your all into something. Just don't be a dumbass and put your efforts into something you are a shitlord at.
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>>35505026
this desu
i'd go even further - dedication and hard work will get you into the top 1% of whatever it is you choose to dedicate yourself to.
but top 1% doesn't cut it - top 1% still means thousands of people, and all of them are working just as hard as you did, and which one of them becomes a champion will come down to factors beyond your control - genetics, talent, giftedness, call it whatever you want.

still, even reaching this point means you've surpassed 99% of the population. you've already made it at this point.
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>>35501229
pretty easy to say this kind of shit if you're talented
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>>35504593
Any mma gym.... They will all have beginners classes
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>>35505026
Makes me think of RC Cola, strong enough to make it to 4th or 5th place with some brand recognition but you'll never have what it takes to be #1
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It's really accurate hard work does the job. Literally takes decades though.

I remember when I first starting training my sport 10 years ago this fat tub of douchey shit was sucking our coaches dick at every opportunity but always always always pushed as hard as anyone else and worked as hard as anyone else if not harder.

It's been 10 years and now he's a leading athlete, lost a bunch of the weight walks about year round at 10-15% bf and is strong/explosive/athletic as fuck.

He's literally passed every single one of us because of his hard work.

Its hard to hear but it's true. It does take a long time and that's what people can't deal with.

The say someone is more talented but really what they're saying is they don't want to accept the truth and the fact that they're not willing to put in that much work consistently and don't deal with reality.

Hard work will take you further than practically everyone.

The only one is the naturally talented genetically gifted that also puts in that much work too which you'd be surprised doesn't happen often.

I know a bunch of guys that were naturally talented and didn't know what hard work was because they never had to push themselves to achieve.
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>>35505523
>and which one of them becomes a champion will come down to factors beyond your control

it's also timing.. look at how many different people or teams could have NBA rings if Jordan had never gone into the NBA. Same for if certain QB played for this or that team.

it's why I'm never impressed by "State champ" sort of shit for high school sports. You're not the best of the best. You are the best of the random kids who happen to be born around the time you where who were allowed by their parents to play some given sport. Most of the time the entire team is anchored by ONE truly gifted player who goes on to pro level.
That how little the team part maters at such a low level of competition.
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>>35501671
You just made me smile for the first time in days. Thanks man.
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>>35501229
McGregor is a fucing faggot. Everyone is dickriding him because he's your typical edgy white boy.

Mayweather is 3000x the man this potato faggot is.
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>>35501272
found the pacifist
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>>35503627
He literally said that all people start off even and thats not true.
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>>35507099
Jealous dark person detected
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>>35501804
You sound like a 15 year old deviantart user
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>>35507099
Maybe it's because he knocked out the decade-long undefeated pound-for-pound number 1 in 13 seconds and said beforehand that he was gonna do it.
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>>35503605
It kinda makes me rage when I hear people go on about how Turing invented computers and they have no clue who Neumann was or all that he did.

Anyway, yeah, he's full of shit but it's true that hard work is still necessary for success even if someone is superlatively gifted.
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He also said he wants to fight Jesus Christ & blindly follows a bunch of New Age philosophy.
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>>35507179
lucky leprechaun big fucking deal.
every boxer talks crazy shit and lives up to it, big fucking deal
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>>35507220
>lucky
>>35504543
>>35504519
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>>35507099
gr8 b8 m8
agree with you on mcedgy, but cmon that mayweather line is too much
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>>35501272
You may think this punch is just a lucky shot, but you're an idiot.
People who don't know fighting can't appreciate all the hours, training and skill that goes into not only this one punch, but what gave him the opportunity to throw the punch in the first place.
(And, yes, I know Jose is the only that made the crucial mistake, but that's not luck either, that's McGregor getting in his head before the fight)

I think he's right about talent though. Some might have genetic advantages but it's still the dedication that gets them to the top.
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>>35502420
As long as your arms are long enough, your neck is wide enough, your bones are strong enough, your frame is thick enough, your nerve endings are quick enough, your sight is good enough, your legs are long enough, you don't have asthma/heart disease/any bone genetic defect, you were raised with wholesome foods, you can do anything you want! Only YOU hold you back!
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He is being gracious in a way, but he's wrong. Genetics exist. Sorry.

I came to terms that I didn't have the natural build to be an NFL linebacker somewhere around high school and turned my attention to more fruitful endeavors.
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>>35507580
Agreed, let's just throw all of genetics out the window! We're all the exact same! There's no reason the NBA and NFL are 70%+ are black.
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>>35507619
I am reading the exact 100% opposite of gracious...
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>>35501534
hm. interesting, my guess is you've been to too many parties where drunk girls are acting stupid and taking selfies together and giggling at everything you say
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>>35507619
as with many things the truth is probably in the grey. being that this is "fit" we are inclined to be "physical" so yes a person in a wheelchair probably won't make the NFL.

HOWEVER, at the same time most people's abilities are much more malleable than they think and are often discouraged from trying simply because of initial failure. the sentiment remains valuable I think. you can poke holes in any quote, its more the gist behind it...........set your mind to something and pursue it passionately
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>>35501364
eh, no I see that situation as you not working up to capacity
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>>35507631

It gives everyone a chance.

I would have said: "I've worked very hard, sure, but so have thousands of other guys. The reality is I'm a fucking Chad ass born legend that precious few others will ever get to the level of."
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>>35507689
Him implying anyone could be an MMA fighter is fucking stupid. Everyone has the capacity to be highly successful, but not everyone can be anything.
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>>35507713

It's just more of that "you can be anything if you dream it" tripe

it's better to encourage people to find something they're personally good at and work on it than to waste a lot of time on foolishness
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>>35507735
it is true you are more likely to be "obsessed" with something that comes naturally
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>>35507625
Yeah cos all those other white dudes are weak like you and blame the world for their misfortune while never putting in the required effort to get to where they want to be.
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le equality egalitarian meme
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>we're all equals :)

nope
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>>35503554
just get done watching hajime no ippo?
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>>35501229
Rock Lee incarnate
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>>35505165

Because you didn't have one faggot.
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>>35501671
>mfw I only know that song because they put it everyday in the mma gym I used to go
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>>35501364
>pay for university tuition
>expect to not be praised for even the pittiest performance
>you did it little guy, wow UR such an academic now, pls pay us :^]

When I presented my MSc thesis (lol who the fuck presents the INTRODUCTION) I got absolutely roasted by an array of 4 professors minus the one I did it under. Nonstop criticism for 2 and a half hours, unrelentlessly making me prove and validate my methods.

As a note, the thesis got published twice in the two best EU journals in offshore engineering.

What you perceive as "talent and strength" is just American academia being absolute shit tier.
All men are equal.
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>>35501229
totes brah

jon jones is the most dominant dude in mma ever and he did it with 100% hard work!
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>>35501782
TACTIC IS NOT SMARTNESS YOU STUPID FUCK
THE ABILITY TO SEE 3 OR 4 MOVES AHEAD IS NOT SMARTNESS YOU STUPID FUCK

Chess doesn't need fucking brains, it's a strategic game. Learn what you're talking about.
You train your mind to see ahead and predict. Has NOTHING to so with smartness.
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>>35508761
>SMARTNESS
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>>35506611
He may have surpassed all his team mates, but is he a world-class athlete already? Nobody says you need talent to get really good at anything, but to be the best, you'll definitely need talent.
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>>35501229
No matter what you want to do (lifting, studying, having a career), it can be expressed by a logarithmic function of results(effort)
From my experience, about 2x the effort gives you about x.2 the results. This is true for anyone.

However, the actual function looks like results=a*log[base](effort)*(1+c)+b,
where a (how fast the curve rises) and b (curve starting point) are parameters out of your control (external factors, talent, genetics etc) and obviously not functions of effort. I also added a c parameter, which is representative of cheating.
Morals of the story:
Effort (x axis) WILL take you higher on the results axis (y) but you WILL hit a plateau at some point.
Someone with a marginally better a or b factor than you will have to put way less effort for the same results.
Cheating can get you there faster and higher.

TLDR a man with one leg can only run so far. However, he can try.
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>>35508761
>smartness
Wanna know how I know you're not a very bright kid?
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>>35509308

God, this was the most autist response I've ever read.
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>>35509319
Maybe, but I don't see you counterarguing
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>>35508700
>doesn't understand
>YOU'RE STUPID LOL

Liberal arts student or in academia, I presume.
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10,000 hours of purposeful practice and all that. The only reason people are deemed to have talent in something is because they got the 10,000 hours in early. There is also luck involved; you usually need someone to spot tthe talent early and help develop it.
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>>35501433
>>35501466
>>35501844
>>35503211
>>35503577
>>35504488
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>>35506611
>>35507099
>>35508677
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>>35509288

Thats dedication right there lads, stuff of champions!
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>>35509354
>my damage control didn't work
>liberal arts lol

Explain what you meant better then.

So far you just posted a vague cop-out and made a terrible attempt at insult, because you don't know how to formulate your argument.
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>>35501316
It isn't. Kill yourself.
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Is willpower innate?
I think its genetic, like everything else.
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>>35509496

not even him but he clearly meant that if you take any one with similar characteristics as jordan/lebron/any of the greats, and made them work as hard as they did then they still wouldn't succeed. it's ridiculous to assume that all these other NBA pros who were 1/50th as good just weren't trying as hard or weren't "obsessed with being the best"
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>>35509680

That's obviously what he meant, but that's just a claim, without any argument to support it. That's why I said he didn't have any point.

And honestly
>similar characteristics
>work as hard
>they still wouldn't succeed
Why wouldn't they? What makes jordan/lebron/any of the greats such special snowflakes?

Do you really think it is more ridiculous to assume that they worked harder, than it is to assume that they were just born intrinsically better at basketball? They just had a basketball gene, or were they blessed by the basketball fairy?
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>>35509775
They were blessed by the genetic fairy to start.
Lebron is something else because he makes no sense, someone that big should do 37 minutes+ per game and do every fast break / defend as hard, he's just a genetic freak.

But look at other NBA players, average size for:
pg: 6'4"
sg: 6'6"
sf: 6'8"
pf: 6'10"
c: as high as you can go.

Sure there are exceptions everytime, like nate robinson, or even chris paul, but those dudes are anormally athletic.

The 20/80 rule apply to everything and sports are no exception.

You can reach 80% of the performance of any athlethe in any field if you work hard enough, granted neither of you are genetic anomalities, but the remaining 20% performance are just genetics.
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>>35502059
I prefer Eggs.
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>>35509811
>The 20/80 rule

First time I heard that so had to google, but if that's this:

>for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes

Then I don't think that's what it means.

Anyway, the OP is obviously an overstatement because just like you're fucked at being an NBA pro if you're a manlet, you won't have much luck with gymnastics as a lanklet, or quantum physics if you're mentally retarded. But the inverse - you won't ever be as good as jordan because >muh genetics - is also a completely pointless point of view.
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>>35507625
because basketball isn't based on height right? its impossible for you to reach nba being 5'5, even if you a 100% accuracy, if you never miss a shot, it wouldn't matter because all the others are lot taller and would block all your shots
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>>35501229
This is PC Autism at it's finest. You can be obsessed and train intensely forever. It will only get you so far, some will become better than "good". You need talent and genetics to push you to the next level and become great. Willpower alone does not make a champion.
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>>35509978
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muggsy_Bogues
well...
Thing is that guy was athletic as fuck.
And not very good at ball either.
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>>35509992
It's just an incorrect definition of talent. I can be obsessed with ice dancing, but I will never be more than good no matter how hard I train. Hard work makes you good and even great, talent wins you gold medals. Hard work and dedication only get you 99% of the way there.
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>>35509999
what are you trying to say? he was a manlet that trained a lot to get where he was, his greatest achievement was to block a tall guy... he is not even close to being a champion, or the best of his team, he is just a guy that stands out for being a midget among the giants
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>>35501229
I am so sick of these tiny men acting badass. This weight class bullshit needs to go. My 12 yr old nephew is bigger than this cuck, and my dog out weighs him by 24 lbs.

You know who wins the fight? The person who does whatever it takes to win... the 5%'ers.
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>>35510093
Still he played in the NBA.
I'm sure muggsy worked hard, very hard, insane level hard.
But still, players like Shaq outdid him, while shaq never worked hard and never really gave a fuck.
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>>35510093
>it's impossible to reach nba being 5'5
>here's a 5'3 nba player
>what are you trying to say?
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>>35502392
damn son know your pain.
Myself I am 6ft1 tall and have a 78.75inch wingspan.

When I first got 210 on the deadlift I had around 90kg bench too, but prolly closer to 100.

Now I have a 120kg bench:) Happy about it, just keep going, and bench as much as you can.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29
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>>35509917
It's a shitty reformulation of the pareto principle. Like the pareto principle is just if you fix a few things it can have a massive effect because those few things are so important/get used so often. Most people hear it and it's p self evident so they get it and look out for it. Then you get the odd legit retard go through management and the 80 20 rule is born because the pareto principle is just too hard.
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>>35505294
This
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>>35501272
>>35501558
>>35501606
>>35501625
>>35503554
>>35504519
>>35504543

If there is no luck in fighting how does Matt Serra beat GSP? Evans ko's Liddell? Crocop gets ko'ed? Williams ko's Coleman?

There is luck, you could train, prepare for everything. .. then the other guy throws a wild hay maker that gets you off balance and throws another that knocks you out. You can work to minimize the luck factor but its always there.
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>>35507662
You are so absolutely right.
I was considered a prodigy as a kid, as i several times got my IQ measured to the 150's, and were years ahead of anyone at my age.

Because of that i never put ANY effort into math and the like at an early age.

When I got to high school and still didn't put any effort into it i suddenly noticed people surpassing me, who I generally wouldn't regard as being more intelligent, but they ended up better at it than me.

It probably doesn't help that I'm really bored by math.
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>>35501229

>getting rused by a lowland Scott
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No matter how hard you work, you will never be an elite sprinter unless you have the genetics

No matter how hard you work, you will never be an elite high jumper unless you have the genetics

No matter how strong you are, you will at a severe disadvantage against headhunted Chinese weightlifters who were selected when they were 4-5 yo based on lim length, body proprotions eg. Litteraly only picked the genetic elite.

No matter how hard you work, you will never be an elite marathon runner.

Some sports are just dictated by genetics and there's nothing you can do about it. No matter how hard anyone works, if you are 5'7, you will never get in the NBA unless you are a freak on court. Your hard work will EASILY be negated by genetics. Now, when you have genetics and hard work (and sterons), you are unstoppable.

This is why sports like MMA, football, hockey etc appeals more to the general public since there's no apparant genetic advantage that can't be negated by skill eg. Iniest, Messi, manlets in MMA.
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Hey guys listen to me, i am omniscient i hold the ultimate truth.
My words cannot be contested because i know better than everyone.
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>>35501558
Floyd is a shit fighter, wins by dancing
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>>35501428
>but somebody with down syndrome can be obsessed as they want but they will never break an Olympic record
chances are you aren't nearly as restricted as someone afflicted with down syndrome. But alas that will the down fall of most men, a lack of trying at all. You'll continue to refuse the chance that you just might be great at something all because you want to be lazy and claim "muh genetics" are limiting me.
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>>35501844
dont post your gf or othe rpeople on 4chan. they will not appreciate it
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>>35510453
>Mastered a valid boxing technique to the point where he was unbeatable
>Anyone who has ever boxed knows it about getting in, throw a punch, and get out as fast as possible, ie to be hit yourself a minimum amount of time
>floyd is a shit boxer
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>>35509652
Pretty much every trait is atleast in part genetic, like willpower, intelligence, height, strength, etc.
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>>35511017
I think its because hes a boring boxer who fights to win. GSP was a boring fighter too, but he fought to win and that is why he was a champion for so long.
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>>35510432
>This is why sports like MMA, football, hockey etc appeals more to the general public since there's no apparant genetic advantage that can't be negated by skill eg. Iniest, Messi, manlets in MMA.

>hockey was THE example of not one on the all star teams are born outside the same month.
>MMA puts the manlets into different classes, there are actually set "this height = this weight" or you will never be good splits. There's actually contention that height:weight is the most important attribute of pros.
>soccer is the most body diverse with the rule of almost no one weighs over 200lbs regardless of height.
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>>35510432
>Chinese weightlifters who were selected when they were 4-5 yo based on lim length, body proprotions eg.
This is bull. Many lifter, like Lu, didnt go over to WL until they were 18.
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>>35501252

it's funny because his sport has weight classes that directly contradicts what he said. If you took those away he'd get his head ripped off by a 210lb monster
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>Talent doesn't exist
>We're all equals as human beings
Tell that to everyone that's ever raced Usain Bolt.
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>>35507580
Problem is, what you just said and what he said are different. You're saying that natural talent or genetics give someone an advantage over the competition, but hard work is necessary.

In that quote McGregor says that talent is irrelevant, and that only the hard work matters. I think up to a certain skill level this is true, but when you're world-class you have to have both. It's kind of a silly argument because I don't disagree with his main idea, but it's naive to think that every human is as capable of being the best at something as every other.
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>>35511128
/thread
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>>35501844

cute, cuter if she has a cock.
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>>35501272
>50%
Have you ever seen a Connor McGregor fight? Did you are the 13 second fight where he hands Nose Aldo's ass to him? Did that look like 50%?
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>>35509288

No he's not world class but he's smart enough to no that he won't be an Olympian and now makes rougly £30K-£40K a year from his sport which isn't a lot compared to other jobs but the fact he's an athlete earning anything when he's not elite level.

Bare in mind there are A LOT of elites in this sport that aren't making much more than him.

It's hard for me to estimate earnings but we're talking about 10-20 elites earning a range from £50-£100 a year

He doesn't have a job he hates. He gets paid to train, teach and do media jobs. He's got sponsors. He's been in the media AND he doesn't compete despite there being a competition circuit.

My point is hard work will take you really reaaaally far.

He was on the negative side of scales and has surpassed everyone.

Again people don't like to hear this shit because it attacks their lazy asses and really makes them address why they arent sucessful or going after things they want and it always comes down to not being patient enough to wait 10,15 maybe 20 years and not being able to consistently show up and grind.

A prime example of this is Brendan Schaub in the UFC.

Average football player that outworked everyone but never quite made it in foot ball. Average UFC fighter that never quite made it in UFC.

Compared to elites he's not good enough to stand out.

Compared to average population he immensely surpasses everyone because only a slim few will do what it actually takes.

Still wasn't good enough to surpass the elites but was good enough to stand with them.
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>>35511386
>>35511386
Those were lucky shots. Connor is a paper champion, like Rousey.
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>>35501252
I agree. I first realized this when I was first working with peers on a project. There's guys who are a LOT better than me at what I'm doing. But then I realized those guys do nothing but work, work, work. They don't have a gf or don't have time for their gfs. They don't do a lot of sports on the side. They're always about work, they're in the office at 8°° and leave it on 7°°. Every day. But sometimes, I just take one day's time and write something that's way better than what they're doing. Just like that. Still, in the long run they'll beat my ass because corporations want a reliable workforce and not a person who is gifted but lazy and unreliable. So I just keep playin vidya and post shit on 4chan.
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>>35511386
>did you see the lucky shot he landed on the guy who is way out of his league as far as technicality goes?
>that just proves luck has nothing to do with it

shaking my head, desu familia
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>>35511488

Are you fucking crazy lucky shots?

There so much footage of him repeating that exact same punch.

He also said before the fight Jose drops his arm when he swings so he could side step and counter.

Theres even footage of him before the fucking fight warming up repeating that exact same punch.

He's repeating other movements but to say it's 50% lucky is ridiculous.

There's a reason camps watch their opponents tapes to learn their style they don't just go in blind and hope for the best.
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>>35503374
Hur dur dur, what are necessary and sufficient conditions?
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>>35503554
Christ you're a moron. People practice a ton for every sport that doesn't mean a weaker football team can beat a better football team.
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>>35501229
He was told to say that.

Wanna be fighters who believe him will generate millions for the industry by paying for gym memberships, going to seminars, buying more equipment, going to more events, watching more fights etc etc.
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>>35503627
This interpretation is ridiculously charitable. How do you know what he meant any better than anyone else? Maybe he's just stupid
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>>35504519
wtf was that supposed to prove you mong? the dancing on the spot didn't beat aldo. If i dance on the spot with ido portal can i beat aldo too?
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>>35511886
You? No.
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>>35501272

you're fucking stupid, wow.
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>>35510353
>a prodigy
Lol dude your mom telling you that ur a little genius isn't being a prodigy. It's just bad parenting, and why you've ended up undeniably mediocre at best
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>>35510292
They were better that night.
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>>35501844
NO ONE HAS COMMENTED ON THOSE HANDS AND FINGERS WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE AM I CRAZY!?
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>>35511860
Sharp observation.
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>>35501363
'Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard'
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>>35517612
You are a genius, young Anon.
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