Old one is kill. Post inspo and ask questions
So I live in a city in south america where it's really warm and sunny 8 months a year, I ride my bike everyday to college/work and I almost always get to my destinations sweaty with my clothes feeling and looking awful, it's uncomfortable as fuck. What kind of clothing would you guys recommend for someone like me? I'm clueless specially regarding shorts and t-shirts that are functional in this weather and don't look bad.
look for clothes that are good for wicking such as merino wool tshirts, which are supposed to not stink when you've been sweating due to the anti-bacterial properties and are good for wicking away sweat, they're used a lot by those who go backpacking as well as athletes.
contrary to what others are saying, techwear is for all seasons and isn't just about black on black on black hardshells.
then again i'm just a bunch of text so what do i know.
Any idea where to cop this bag?
visvim e-cat ballistic messenger bag from around maybe 2008
source: http://supertalk superfuture com/index.php?/topic/140517-waywt-destroyed-my-life-2012/page-48?&
a lesson in trying before you buy, had you put them on before purchasing them you would have seen that even the slimfit jeans are too loose without "sik bendz"
also another reason as to why the cargos are superior
Outlier is usually perfect time for this but right now they're doing winter stiff so you're kind of sol. It sounds to me though that you want clothing based around anatomy. Most high-end tech companies are really good at this especially Outlier and ACR. also check out Rapha and other higher tier cycling companies because they will of course have clothes exactly what your looking for.
Wahhh my 10/10 sick to have fit is getting shit on. Time to damage control
>post a f-fit
Fuck theyre still making fun of me
>b-but Errolson said this would make me a ninja. Why have you forsaken me sempai
is it out of place to wear a hardshell with shorts?
also, can recommend any decent shorts? would prefer cheap, and of decent quality to bike with - do not necessarily care for padding.
anyone have any inspo with shorts? i'm p much clueless when it comes to tech botts
the boot on the left goes inside the boot on the right. but i think it would be sick by itself
just domping some stuff i have, which is not much
Rapha, Outlier, Black Diamond(most climbing brands for that matter), And Wander(will need a proxy). This is the only picture I have on my phone that I saved that has a shell and shorts.
Since I want to keep this thread alive but don't want to dump inspo.
Who put out tour favorite line this season?
>Mine is veilance they kept the same minimal refined look I like so much about them, but still had it looking modern and sleek with little features that you wouldn't notice unless you were paying attention.
>pic not related but still pertinent to the thread
Do you guys think some one short could get away with wearing these? The souls look really nice but I've got big feet for a small guy idk.. Boots fucking scare the shit out of me..
It's inspo you twat not fucking "this is what techwear looks like"
can anyone recommend me a good crewneck thing that will wick sweat when I'm biking? If I could wear it as a base layer or over a TShirt that'd be great, and I'd wear it under a light coat mostly. Thumbholes too, since I hate shit rolling up my arms.
Thanks /fa/, bumping with inspo
The silhouette on the first picture is perfect for techwear. The second pic is fucking Aitor Throup so if you don't know who that is I'm just going to assume you know nothing.
if it would help, looking for something like pic related
And here you are contributing nothing what exactly is so switch about the pictures?
Meant shitty not switch
none of the fabrics used are remotely techy. Sorry to say, Birthday, but you're literally wearing a wrinkled anorak and & jersey cotton sweatpants. Terrible example of "techwear" and terrible fit too.
How can you tell fabric from a fucking picture that is no where close enough to tell. Unless it's a knit or something even then you can't really tell.
>nice meme btw
>nice meme tho
I *think* that Undercover garment is Gore-Tex, and yes, it is practical. It keeps the rain out and the loose fit at the bottom ensure breathability, and it has pretty good storage options.
It's called a cagoule; Patagonia used to make them and reissued one in Gore-Tex a few years ago. It's been surpassed for technical climbing, because we have more breathable fabrics now that don't need a giant vent at the bottom, but it's still functional and great for urban use.
Seriously, pipe the fuck down and thinking "techwear" or anything is your little tight, streamlined black Schoeller club. And get some imagination, get - inspired, yeah. Feel something affirmative you can extend and grow with.
Ibex, Icebreaker, Smartwool, LL Bean, and Klattermusen usually have them. Patagonia does it slightly differently, and has both synthetics and wool: little elastic loops that just hook the thumb. If you're looking for something with a cut more like a normal t-shirt, Duluth Trading of all people makes a loose cut wool baselayer with them.
It seems like it's more common in fashion garments that change every season, tbh.
ID on the sick techwear sweatpants with shoelace drawstring and the basic ass carhartt anorak w/ plastic buttons and fake leather detailing. It's not hard to point out when the image is 3200 x 2400
>none of the fabrics used are remotely techy.
Like the other guys says, you can't really tell. It's Carhartt, so it's *probably* cotton, but who gives a shit? It still looks like it's somewhat weather resistant, which is ludicrously overrated as a function around here. You'll be just fine in any urban area, and there's other kinds of functions.
There's this double error that goes on with this, first that "techwear" is some real and single thing, and second there's this macho tendency you see a lot to reduce technicality down to toughness, and to locate the toughness not in the person but in the garment or fabric. Fuck that. The interesting, worthwhile thing about these clothes is the way they allow us to enter the world *more*, not to be a Gore-Tex Pro callus against it. The way they sync up with the aesthetic and tonal headings of human striving right now. Or at least the kind of human strivings I, and I think/hope you, admire.
"The technology is not the fabric. The fabric is not the technology." - Errolson Hugh
>terrible fit too
FWIW I like it.
I'm not going to pull "post fit" because that's dumb, but how do you think most people who're drawn to "techwear" construct fits? With the scrap resources they have to go out into the world and do things, hustle up cash to afford more (or, their first) cotton Acronym clothes. Who gives a shit if he's in cotton jersey sweatpants?
I used to be more bothered by how lots of tech companies would keep using cotton, etc. when even hemp is better, let alone synthetics. I still thought the clothes were awesome, but I was like, "but they could be more awesome!"
And in some ways they would be, but not in ones that mattered (or could matter, because capitalism, which we're all stuck in) to their makers. I could get on board, miss the experience of those clothes, or make my own or have them custom made. I eventually plan to do the latter one, but I don't have the time or spare cash for R&D right now.
OK since you're being so much of a twat I just want to prove you wrong. The anorak is pretty water resistant it's not going to keep you perfectly dry in the rain but it will for a little bit. It was the perfect weight and fabric for the day I wore it. The pants are a heavy Chinos that I pin rolled not fucking sweatpants you cunt. Again not overtly "techwear" but perfect for the situation which is a very important part of techwear imo(wearing the right fabric/material for the situation you're in). So yeah it may not be "muh techninj" but it still displays many characteristics of what techwear actually is.
still a terrible fit lmao. even if u do write an essay about what mediocre clothes you were wearing to prove someone wrong, literally no one is on your side because of the way you conduct yourself.
Awesome I like that fit, I like the picture, that day was fucking amazing. I don't care what some little whiny bitch on the Internet has to say about it. If you really want to spite me go and downboat it on sufu please you're just making me to sad here with your mean words :((((
An anorak that's merely water resistant is not tech. That's just a normal fabric that people have been making casual jackets with since forever. I'm so sick of tech being polluted by shit with DWR and a lot of pockets instead of any actual progress in clothing technology.
Well, one, you're really talking about textile technology.
Two, Progress in what direction? And why?
Three, what do you think about pic related?
Here is what I mean.
Both yoga bags here are functional, and serve the purpose.
The purist techwearists would consider left techwear because 1) functional BECAUSE OF 2) the fabric (e.g. it's rain resistant).
in this sense, techwear seeks functionality in terms of external conditions - e.g. weather - and not purely in terms of functionality in terms of purpose (e.g. carrying a yoga bag from place a to b)
You're kind of right. But techwear takes into consideration: weather resistance, patterns especially regarding how they work with the body, functionality, and aesthetic. I like the one on the right better to be honest, but yeah if you take all those characteristics into consideration the left bag is not only more functional but also yes more techy.
so the right one would probably be best because it would allow the sweat from the towel mat to evaporate better than the one on the left.
but since i bike to yoga, the left would obvs be best during rainy days.
but it doesn't rain every day.
left probably works best with the body. the right feels a bit droopy. this isn't good esp if biking.
I'm about as diehard techwear as it gets, but I don't insist on hard and fast criteria for discussing an amorphous subject and like functionality and quality over fabric gimmicks.
Which isn't to say I don't like advanced fabrics! But they're part of a total package. When I'm evaluating clothes, I try to pay attention to the total experience of wearing them. That's *everything*, from how my hand enters a pocket, to how the shoulder articulates, to how much wind the fabric lets through, to how the way it looks makes my self feel. What I'm looking for will be different in different situations.
That's what clothes are always about, for me, on my body, but I think it makes a good universal framework for looking at them (but then I would): the total experience of wearing them.
Take your yoga bags - I can tell you exactly why the natural mesh fabric one is like that, besides aesthetics. It's so sweat odor doesn't build up so much inside the bag. Both of them are good, functional bags, it's just a different thing is being emphasized. Someone might very well own both, and take nylon bag when it's raining and the mesh bag when it's not. Or they might only own one, the other just not fitting with who they are - someone might say the the nylon bag isn't natural enough, and that matters to them, and someone else might say the mesh bag is too crunchy.
forgot to finish my thought:
what i'm saying is they're both functional in the sense that they allow me to carry my yoga mat from home -> class.
but left (the tech) allows me to do that in ALL environments. right doesnt. why? because of the fabric used...
i think it's this reason techpurists are so hard on the fabric they consider techwear - that fabric that excels in ALL conditions
> that fabric that excels in ALL conditions
And anyone who's spent time dealing with technical fabrics will tell you there is no such thing. They all suck somehow, somewhere.
Gore-Tex gets clammy, so you get a membrane free softshell, like Dryskin. There's a downpour and it wets through, or you're in cold dry conditions but it's windy as fuck and heat pours past your body, where 0 CFM, completely windproof Gore-Tex would've kept it in. Etc.
Of course. As of right now, there's Gore-Tex Pro, Active, Paclite, and stuff just branded Gore-Tex. They're all basically the same stuff, an ePTFE membrane laminated to a monolithic PU film. The differences are mostly branding for application and the different face fabrics used.
In a fitting room? IDK. Research beforehand to find out what you can expect in comparison to what you know. Do a search for "air permeability" and "CFM." "CFM" is cubic feet per minute.
It's either not using technical fabrics or just unpractical as fuck.
Do you seriously think a down-to-knees shirt or a fucking robe is practical and designed to have optimal interaction with your environnment ?
is there such a thing a a tech skate shoe?
i need a low top shoe (cheap cheap.. under $80) for road biking in straps
stiff sole ideally
can't really find much
maybe a stupid idea but can't hurt to ask
Techwear is about optimal interactiosn with the environment.
Not about having a fuckton of pockets or a cool-looking parka.
That autistic thing could easily be replaced by a short breathable waterproof jacket and waterproof pants, that could allow more movements.
There are hardly any pockets, and you sound like so many of the people that give techwear a bad rep. Stop thinking there is only one silhouette and say of proportions you can have. Techwear doesn't have to be all black clean proportioned clothing their should always be experimentation.
Thanks a lot! Do you have any other suggestions as to what those types of pants are called, what materials I should look for and maybe even some brands too? Doesn't need to be anything too specific, I just need a little pointing at the right general direction.
If you define tech just as "clothes made for functionality", then, well, that's like 98% of clothing ever made. The difference between a goretex shell and a sport coat is 150 years of technology, not philosophy. I'll agree that "that's not tech" "it's totally tech it's water resistant" gets pretty stupid, but what the hell are we even discussing? If it's not "looks like acronym" and it's not innovative fabrics and designs, what is it?
What are some good pants in the $80-120 range that have a comfortable cotton feel, but are decently water resistant/quick drying? I have some REI stuff but they sound too much like nylon when I walk.
Been meaning to cop one of these for a while. Or should I wait for them to release their fall/winter stuff this year?
the nice thing about getting a shell like that is that you can wear it year round. layer in the winter for more insulation, and just wear that in the summer and youll be good to go.
w2c a techy hat
is this supreme/stone island the cheapest thing I'll find?
don't quite feel like spending $70 on a hat right now
selling a sick Isaora Bomber on grailed
fully taped seams, dozens of awesome little details, great standalone for spring/fall or layer for winter
thoughts on this bomber from Rains. anyone know the quality of Rains stuff?
>want Gen 1 ECWCS
Any brand recommendations? The actual legit ones are fucking impossible to find in black so that's out of the question. Does the Alpha Industries one offer anything special to justify the price?
Honestly hyped as fuck for the MGS5 clothing collection. The peace walker stuff was *pretty good*, with an even bigger project MGS5 is going to have way more cash stuff.
They even have a really cool boot coming out based on the one in game, I'll post it next.
Last time I checked their Gen 1 models were going for around 200 dollarydoos pretty much everywhere plus shipping since I'm europoor and can't find one anywhere nearby.
But the question still stands, is the actual tech any good in their model, I've found some cheaper models and I was wondering if it actually offers anything better.
I got mine for $108. They're discontinued anyways so you will never get it for retail anyways. But yeah they're worth it yeah double layered makes it crazy warm and it's quite water resistant.
>but what the hell are we even discussing? If it's not "looks like acronym" and it's not innovative fabrics and designs, what is it?
I don't have a definition for "techwear," though I've tried on here before to sometimes cringeworthy results, and I'm no longer convinced it's a useful term except for starting discussions around some clothes that share some things in common.
Before I go any further I think it's important to note that disparate things get subsumed under the same cultural label for good reasons despite being very different. Labels get slapped on, in a particular historical context, based on commonalities judged important. Both Ernő Goldfinger and Louis Kahn are "Brutalist." Both Alain Resnais and Jean-Luc Godard are "French New Wave."
Compare Acronym vs. Veilance.
I also think considering this as fits instead of as pieces is more productive - you can have fit with a "tech" vibe composed entirely of non-tech pieces, and you could be in full Acronym and not give off a tech vibe. Outlier is frequently J. Crew in Schoeller.
You know what I really think is going on here, what's at the root of the the term? (con't)
Stated briefly and roughly, western/colonized/cosmopolitan world culture is morphing into something very different and very new. The old codes are breaking down, especially of formality and the divide between activewear and sportswear and outdoorwear and everything. You're seeing, finally, technical fabrics and traditionally athletic garments incorporated into everyday wear - just like what happened to give us the sportcoat, etc.
I don't just mean sartorial codes - the sexual revolution is still only about fifty years old, and that's shaken everything (for the good). Think about how young and how old the Industrial revolution is.
And there's a certain set of garments, styles, technical innovations that lead to certain kinds of experiences with clothes that many of us feel is more than ordinarily suitable to our present-rapidly-becoming-future. It's as wide and diverse as the world now, because it's suited for it. It's the hedge fund manager in a Veilance trench at the Wall St. Heliport and the kid on the crew at the Water Taxi down the road decked out in Heattech, the hooded-and-neck-gaitered-up anarchist spraypainting the hedge fund manager's lobby door, fashion kids in Acronym P10s, and average local teenagers in Adidas trackpants with the same silhouette.
Maybe a better way of explaining this is to take this garment I posted earlier. What I was going to get at is - it's Ten C. The fabric is amazing, a nylon-polyester jersey that's claimed waterproof (IDK if it really is or just really water resistant) and slowly molds to your body. It's functional. But it's also a fundamentally reactionary garment, not really more function than an eighty year old safari jacket.
Is it techwear? I'd say, "why the fuck not, who cares?" Would I wear it? Styled to bring it up to 2014, absolutely, but not with some generic chinos. Like, what's more technical or more advanced, pic related (IDK, but say the pants are Outlier) or Birthday's all-cotton fit? >>8884842
That's what I mean. I'd like to talk about all of it, and I'd like to see "techwear" be a tool to bring us together to do that. It has been in the past, when it hasn't been derailed by people latching onto a fucking buzzword for identity and defending their particular taste in it like a religious cultist.
Like, I'm practically allergic to Veilance, aesthetically. But I'd never say it's not "tech," or refuse to talk about it, or hold someone in contempt for liking it.
What's the point in pissing on each other in arrogance and assumed knowledge when we're dressing for what's coming, what we can't know but deeply desire, stare at through smoke, through a lens, through a network, through a GPU, through an AMOLED screen, thorugh melanin-coated mirror shades under the gap between our neck gaiter and hood?
Let's have fun challenging each other to the thrill of living right fucking now, early 21st century, late capitalism, early climate disaster, while not naked. That's what these threads are at their best, and we can do it more often.
So have the techfriends ITT not yet realized that 'techwear' was created as a response to life in urban Japan?
You have no reason to wear this clothing if you do not live in a densely populated urban area.
Sure you can wear water resistant clothes etc, but that's not techwear it's just clothing for the weather.
Not that guy, and this idea of techwear being rooted in a particularly Japanese urbanity is... dubious, but have you lived in both a highly developed urban area and a less dense exurban or rural area?
With the exception of places that are tiny little villages, when you live in a less dense, less developed area, you generally have a hardshell with active climate control, tons of storage space built in, an AM/FM radio and often a satellite radio and a GPS, etc. etc.
Problems are: it's unwieldy, requires full attention to operate, saps your physical fitness, is destroying the biosphere, usually costs more than an entire Acronym season, and costs money just to own, let alone wear.
The one thing I miss about living somewhere I owned a car is the way it turns into a giant bag you just don't have to think about.
Depends what you mean by "rainwear" and "generally." Most old style rainwear wasn't, but some of it was - Google "Dachstein sweaters" and go down a bit to a blog called Cold Thistle. 4chan won't let me post a link.
In the past few decades, though, there's been plenty of development, and now we have everything from Gore style membranes (that allow water vapor out, but have zero airflow) to other membranes (that actually let some amount of air through) to the successors of those Dachsteins, modern membrane-free softshells with durable water repellent treatments.
I don't know the quality of Rains stuff, and like I've said upthread, I'm virulently against policing what is and isn't "tech," but average schlubs have cheap waterproof/breathable membrane shells for their five minute walk from the train. If Rains isn't at least trying at breathability, they're up to some distinct game. (Which is fine, *potentially* tech compatible, I can't say anything more because I know zilch about Rains.)
Also, back to >>8890036, "breathe well" is extremely subjective/meaningless without being compared to a standard or something else.
i've been saying this all along. techwear is clothing that is suited to and even inspired by the cyberpunk metropolises of east asia. the integration of technology into the landscape of everyday life is more evident in that area of the world than in the fusty old cities of europe, or the disneyfied car-centric suburban-sprawl cities of north america.
I wsa considering in shop both, mil tec won, cause it was better quality overall. Mil tec was really dark, and helikon, more like graphite.
Helicon have better breathability on paper, but overa its like queshua jacket. Mil tec quality is fine, nothin special. Simillar to adidas parka owned by me. Better than cheap monday tbh.
In poland helikon is 290PLN and Mil tec is 270PLN. Its cheap, fine, looks good and its okey, i walked last night from 1am to 3am few miles and dong get any sweaty etc so its ok