Has anyone else noticed a sharp decline of "normies" into caring about how dressed.
in the summer of 2010, normal everyday men in their 20's were really into #menswear
where sites like satorialist and styleforum exploded in popularity, and to a lesser extent tumblr
it seems men caring about how they dressed was a fad that had come and gone
I mean that "internet culture" impacted average how i met your mother watching fucks to the point were ray ban aviators and clarks desert boots with some form/shape of dark washed/raw denim were a common sight among the majority of young men
usually some for of 514 in a dark wash or an off store-brand
You stop "caring" so much when you figure out what to do and figure out your thing. My interest level went from active interest in 2010 to habitual interest now. I've figured out my look, I've copped the pieces I wanna cop, and overall nothing is whipping me into a frenzy of excitement anymore.
I haven't noticed it out in the ol' real world, but I wondered if the sharp decline in men's fashion blogs was indicative of a sharp decline in "normie" interest. My guess is that "dressing well" was in fact a fad, but I doubt I'll be totally convinced until Put This On dies.
yeah like everyone else has said. Once I found something I like. I stick with it, unless I find something that catches my eye at a thrift store or online. I'll slowly start changing. but I'm no longer interested in just copping shit to keep up with trends
fuck that shit.
Pic related, womens normiewear 2016
The men who tried to take an active interest in how they dress, clumsy though their efforts may have been, were mocked by the new "ironic" culture for being euphoric fedoras. As a result, they gave up trying, because it's less stigmatic to just sport a tee and jeans in your 20s, than to be called "dadcore" or "fedoric" by people who don't want to make the effort.
Yep. Total fad.
I know a handful of guys who got all weirdly style-obsessed for about a year or two around the same period. I suspect it was because they thought it would get them laid. They mostly ended up just buying lots of cheap-ass suiting from Belk and places like that. It didn't work, they eventually quit.
The trend seems to still have had some effect, at least at the high school level. When I started getting into fashion I was a sophomore in HS, now as a senior I think the average person, even the underclassmen, dress better. I live in an upper middle class white area, so almost everyone goes for a prep style, which though it can often look tryhard or gaudy if poorly executed, (which it often is) still looks better than the standard of a few years, which seemed to be basketball shorts, light wash untapered jeans, and hoodies
Maybe it's just my area because kids have enough money to spend on relatively nice clothes, but I think there has been a noticeable change.
people started dressing too well so they invented goth ninja and techwear and spammed it
everyone dresses like internet wiggers now
I don't know about the US but everyone I know is already dressing very well. I think back when the average person didn't have a strong fashion sense, they tended to 'research' the topic online. That time is gone
I went this far, nice skinny jeans and bought the classy aviators and brown and black shoes.
The major problem was actually trying to cop all the stuff /fa/ would talk about and its where all the frustration spurred from. So I got my basics and decided to try being /fa/.
Went to Goodwill, saw very little there.
Went to Buffalo Exchange, biggest joke ever, hipsters get up early at 6am to find pieces to cop of course a busy medical student like me will never make it.
Tried Nordstrom rack and while I did find a couple cute tight shirts it wasn't the best.
Go to H&M and Banana Republic and didn't really understand it.
Can't afford 5000 dollar shoes.
Once it got to EBAY I just said "this hard work is just getting retarded I am just going to wear jeans and coats and name brand aviators until i go dadcore or wear smocks".
/fa/ is a amazing thought until you realize the reality and high cost of what it means to be fashion conscious then you realize how fucking hard it is to be avant garde and give up.
As for women I actually don't understand that herd mentality because as hard as it was seeing decent male clothes it seemed pretty easy to have that Zooey Deschanel look, no reason to wear brown boots and yoga pants/jeans like everyone else. Didn't get it.
Honestly Sieg #dadcore needed to die. Dads don't shape the future also Yohji > anything dadcore and you know this well.
The thing is that fashion is no longer for "MEN" it's for "boys" now. For us. Let dadcore die and be forgotten, the death of dadcore killed Chad thus making a better world for everyone else.
>Implying Gothninja / Techwear / Cyberpunk in general =/= Wigger
It's just another dark urban style nothing wigger about it. Actually it looks avant garde, futuristic, comfy and casual.
In your opinion it looks dumb, for me it looks very clean and futuristic. I have got lots of compliments from girls my age (22 years olds). Besides you never dress for girls, don't dress up to get pussy since that's not the way to do it.
If that's what really matters to you don't focus on fashion focus on your face and attitude.
Just like: >>10880621
Patrick said, the problem is that the people who did #menswear-core (for the sake of cores) did it with the "I'm going to get laid!" mentality, that's the wrong mentality to hold into fashion with, that's why the #menswear-ers are dying and are pretty much a thing of the past. They aren't in the fashion scene anymore simply because they didn't deserve it, they were just a passing trend, not a look that transcended to a style and stuck.
>in the summer of 2010, normal everyday men in their 20's were really into #menswear
Which was honestly ridiculous because they were still too young and baby faced to pull the look off. I say this because I was one of those idiots.
The only useful thing my past self learned from that was how to dress for job interviews. Thats it.
I regret not being more into alternative styles back then because I bought a lot of un-comfy clothing that can't be used for anything else than for job interviews. I'm glad I dropped my love for prep and #menswear in general since I'm still young, my hairline isn't receding and I finally became 100% sexually secure of myself.
you must have a few extra chromosomes to arrive at a conclusion like that
I've seen no such thing, because no one gives a flying fuck here. They were dusty as shit 5 years ago, and they're still dusty now.
> tfw no /fa/riends in st louis
> truly missouri is a shit hole
the shoe of my people
>mfw I am unsure if my girlfriend possesses sentience
Fashion depends on your lifestile
I doubt that the majority of this board will dress the same when they are starting to get a real job. most of the people here are kids, no offense,
Menswear still looks good, especially if you have the lifestyle to wear it. Usually around 30.
>doubt that the majority of this board will dress the same when they are starting to get a real job
Never understood this
Why would I change everything from my wardrobe because I have to dress certain way to a job? Every job I've had so fa, I have worn either something practical for it or something required for it but none of it has changed the way I dress.
Your style of course evolves and changes constantly but people keep throwing "job" as some magic hour where you go full menswear and never look back. And that is not even taking the fact that "real job" can mean fucking anything to account.
Because you are not a kid anymore, and usually your social circle are grown ups as well. I didn't say you magically change. But you are a product of your environment. if your friends grow up, make more money and dress more like adults you will maybe feel a little bit out of place and change your direction in fashion towards more mature stuff. you will still experiment and wear outfits that stand out, but without looking like a teenager.
Why do you assume people "dress like teenagers" or that their social circles are full of menswear adults? You are making so many fucking assumptions here, I get what you are saying but the generalization that your dressing changes when you get a 'real job' is the most retarded shit I keep hearing all the time.
>"I'm going to get laid!" mentality
That's 90 percent of /fa/. Honestly, the only reason men's fashion is dying off is because #menswear fell out of fashion, so a few people jumped to other aesthetics and many more gave it all up. Men giving a shit about clothing was basically a meme.
It's simpler than the other anon is making it. 99.9 percent of people get boring about a year after graduating from college. Most people on /fa/ will give up fashion then and just wear whatever normies do.
Honestly, it depends a lot on where you live. All of my friends are in their mid 20's, have good jobs and are reasonably well dressed. Here - in Milan - dressing well is not an option, it is rather a necessity. The average person here has reasonably priced clothes and knows how to match colors, patterns etc. properly. Even older people, dress well, most of the old men here wear nice coats and suits.
Milan, being a very international city, has its fashion ruined by Americans, Londoners, Filipinos, South Koreans and the Japanese. Those come here and wear their fucking techwear, streetstyle ugly looking clothes. Those people's interests in fashion fade away quickly. No sane person would hire a person who wears Rick Owens when they're not working. At least not here. Therefore, naturally they'll stop being into "fashion", while the Milanese maintain their classicist style.
>muh echo chamber of angry virgins
lmao leave your bedroom once in a while
>mfw I wear comfy scrubs to work and I don't have to spend money on uncomfortable dress clothes that I hate wearing
Anyway if you're at a job where the uniform is dress clothes, it's usually a useless job micromanaging people or kissing ass so I wouldn't be proud of that
You can fuck women and appreciate the few genuinely intelligent ladies out there without compromising on the fact that most women really are social media drones good for maybe hairdressing and being nurses, but that's as far as their usefulness towards society goes.
IMO, intelligence is a must for a long term relationship. A relationship based on just fuckability dies out in a year or two. There are really few genuinely smart women out there. The upside is that there is not that much competition. Many men in fact actively avoid them. Those women are much more frequently single than the 'instagram whores'.
Back then, everyone was a hipster, thus internet-savvy, thus they knew /fa/, reddit, etc.
Nowadays, people are yuccies, so they have other problems than conforming to the autistic expectations of internet virgins.
Not to mention that many trends from the hipster era, like beards and skinny jeans, objectively sucked.
partially this, and partially that the very normie very mainstream status qup target tier default is now mostly black, grey, navy, and olive basics in a relaxed, street style. Essentially m-muh raw denims normies from 2011 are cuckcore, slp cucks, or kanyefags now
I don't get it. Is menswear dead?
Seems like it's still going on as strong as ever.
there is no decline. its actually vice versa. while you fags try to dress "sharp", we actually dress good, and pull off the "effortlessly sharp" look. i can wear a pair of khakis under a crew neck sweater, and i would look better than any of you. because i invest on my body, instead of retarded clothing pieces.
simple example; if you wear more than 4 layers you are a fashion disaster. and 4 layer is the extreme case; 3 piece suit and an overcoat.
this is actually a good look, except he has to be over 30 and with no bracelet thing.
pic related; actual "sharp" dressing.
here another example of dressing good. if you don't dress like this, and putting visible effort, you probably look like a clown. and if you think these guys don't look really good, you are disoriented.
want to look good in clothes? lift. you'll never look good if you are fat. never. and if you look like a spooky skeleton without clothes, you'll look like a twig with some clothes wrapped around. you need to lift and eat well.
if you happen to dress to impress, never come to /fa/. if you are a male, never wear super-skinny tighty pants(unless you are gay or whatever). never wear polo shirts if you are younger than 45. never wear turtlenecks. never ever wear black tops, black trousers and white sneakers. this is the ultimate "i am dumb, yet i think i'm exceptionally intelligent and special" look. NEVER wear tees with prints. never wear anything with prints actually. NEVER wear button-up shirts unbuttoned. you will look like a manchild. if you are a man, don't experiment too much with colours, especially on your trousers. even if you are gay.
i really hope some of you will see what i'm trying to say. i hope you find the right way.
He dresses like my dad. He looks bad.
I'm glad I realize this and I'm in your opinion "disoriented". Because those are actually the clothes my dad wears.
Now you expect a 22 years old to wear the same clothing? Pitiful.
I really hate those coloured pants.
Other pic jacket is too formal.
Also there's nothing wrong with turtlenecks, it's just that people don't know how to wear them so you get all the artsy faggots wearing nothing but a tight, black turtleneck on top.
I'm telling you, it's the trousers.
I don't understand how they're so common with people who like to try and dress a bit nicer. They're so disgusting.
This is what happens when /fa/ gets overrun by boring white racists. You get boring white racist fashion advice that makes no fucking sense and has no connection to "fashion" whatsoever.
This look is a relic from the past. It doesn't convey wealth, or culture, or manners, or sophistication. It simply looks boring. Especially if you're young. Boring. Typical. Mindless. Uncreative. Uncool.
But whatever. Keep lifting (which is a waste of consuming and burning energy which ages you quicker, congrats) and keep wearing your dad's outfits.
I really like cashmere rollnecks, but it's kind of hard to find them with a slim fit.
This one costs $940 on Mr Porter. If there were options for like $300-$400 I'd definitely buy one.
>he looks bad
he really doesn't, i mean i like fashion forward stuff as much as the next guy but by the time im 25 im not going to be wearing this stuff anymore, it looks silly on actual adults
guy in that pic would have like 95% of girls drooling over that fit and from a pure aesthetic standpoint I don't see anything to critique, except the watch straps contrast with the pants i fuckn hate tan with black/dark brown
He is right you know. You are way too submissive to the rules and standards your parents put for you.
Yet you're still not what YOU would want to be and will never be, you probably don't even know what you want to be. You just adopted the standards of the people around you, never made your own.
Just like the üntermensch. In the original Nietzschean meaning of the word.
Dad please I'm 22 I hang out with girls my age and lower.
They all like One Direction and Harry Styles wears Saint Laurent Paris. So fuck you, you don't know shit about fashion. You're a long dead trend, it's sad you can't accept it.
>pedophiles dress like manchildren
good to know
dude I watch futanari, unironically listen to skrillex, and dress like a manchild, I don't think I'm living up to anyone's standards here by being the autist that I am, and I still don't think that his attack on dadcore is valid
There is no point attacking dadcore because it's already dead as fuck on anyone under 30.
And everyone who still dresses dadcore under 30 is a shame and it's probably one of the few uncomfortable faggots still doing it. DON'T Invest. On. That. Shit. You're going to use it for job interviews and thats it, get good looking comfy casual clothes instead.
I kind of like dadcore, maybe not the weirdly old-fashioned fedoracore variant, but sometimes I just like more classic/normal styles rather than streetwear or strange-looking tumblrcore
Look, disliking dadcore, #menswear, or whatever is fine, but there's a reason wool trousers got picked up by the street wear crowd: they're fucking comfy. Say what you will about the aesthetic of a suit, but a well tailored one is comfortable.
Cashmere is nice, but then I'd want a chunky one. I prefer merino wool for rollnecks as I think they go better with suits/jackets.
In that price-range I'd check out Berg&Berg, they usually have cashmere sweaters during the colder season from Johnston of Elgin. Really worth having a look at, especially during their sales.
Drumohr is something else that you can find in that range at Yoox. Have two of their sweaters from there, one in merino, other a merino/cashmere blend. Waiting for a dark grey round neck in cashmere to arrive, got it for just 160€ during their sale.
If you wear a less formal blazer it's fine. Like flannels, cashmere, cotton, tweed, certain wools (no supers) etc. are good, but people usually make the mistake of wearing a formal blazer (like a black pinstripe...) with light blue jeans (to "dress it down"), which looks stupid.
Flannels are extremely comfortable, and you just haven't tried a well fitting suit with high armholes and soft shoulders because security tends to pick you up as you approach any nicer store.
SICK BURNS ON A NEW FUCKING LEVEL BRO THAT WAS FUCKING SAVAGE
>This is what happens when /fa/ gets overrun by boring white racists.
yeah i just wanna say i really like incorporating traditional pieces into streetwear fits. wool and suit trousers are comfy as fuck & with a cuff they fall right before your shoes. with a hoodie or a bomber it's pretty good desu senpai
I still do the #menswear thing, I guess. I'm a writer, so I don't NEED to wear a jacket and tie every day, so paradoxically I love to wear it. It suits me a lot better nowadays, too, since I'm in my late 20s.
But I still scour eBay for discount Isaia.
When will you people come up with proper arguments instead of always assuming that a person who dislikes women couldnt possibly have had sex before? I was in almost a dozen 'relationships' and I can honestly say that I despise women and the way they act. I mean, I dislike most people but women are way worse than males could ever be.
However, are women inferior? Thats up for debate. From a physical standpoint they sure as hell are. They also seems to be inferior from an intellectual standpoint. There is plenty of evidence that supports the claim that women are generally inferior to males. That doesnt mean, that there cant be exceptional specimen who outshine the vast majority of males in various fields. They are exceptions though, not the rule.
So if we establish that males are physically (sports, Olympic records, way the male body creates muscle mass, the fact that we can piss while standing) and intellectually superior (positions in companies, history, chess ELO rating, scientific fields, philosophy, any form of art etc.) then what is left for women? Emotional superiority? After all they are caring, warm individuals. So caring, that they would sacrifice their own people and let emotions overrule pragmatism, borders and laws. So they arent even superior from an emotional standpoint because apparently they are unable to fucking control them.
that's the argument that pisses off most feminists......if women are the "superior" species in their minds then why do they feel the need to segregate competition?
men have an unfair genetic advantage over women....oh okay...but that has nothing to do with men being more suited at competition women are still automatically "better?"
I love women, I think they're amazing, but they're often the most illogical, backwards thinking people ever. Even my own girlfriend, who is doing very well scholastically has nearly no logic and possesses the most rampant emotions I've ever seen.
I often feel as if I am better on my own. Less distracted, more money, but I'll sometimes still long for the feeling of having a significant other.