>>920417 >Kind of similar in England with their holding on to Imperial units despite not being their official measurement system.
that's a crock of shit.
The only things you'll find in the UK that are imperial are a pint - and that's actually measured in mililitres legally, the mile - and other roadsigns are metric. (roadworks, next 4 miles, lane closed in 300m), and the Stone, used for human weights ("I ate so much I must've put another stone on").
Unless you're over 50, most people have no clue what the imperial measurements are beyond a few instances like that.
>>920444 All the american standards are legally in SI as well. We are taught SI in science and physics classes. We know what they all are.
Yard = one pace. foot = your own fucking foot. mile = fuck you I hate computing with mile but by now I've memorized 5280' to mile. Inches are nice because between inches and yards, 1 minute of angle is 1.0" at 100 yards. gallon = what we buy gas and water, and family sized milks in. pint = Less milk quart = not as much milk.... one might say, a quarter of a gallon. I wish our baking was by mass though, like in europe, would simplify dieting and baking, we still go buy volume.
>Happy World Standards Day! The International Organization for Standardization has declared today, October 14, to be a celebration of the hundreds of engineering and scientific standards from which we all benefit—everything from the length of a meter to the two-letter country code system.
>But the U.S. will not be observing World Standards Day today, on World Standards Day. Instead, the U.S. will observe World Standards Day next week, on October 23.
You cant make this shit up. America cant even do a "world standards day" on the same date as the rest of the planet.
>>920393 Yeeees! Let's have another useless thread that might kill a legitimate one! I love SI for the logic. Still I understand if you have lived in a fucked up world and been used to it, why would you want to change? Such is human nature, fuck logic. There is literally billions of people who think there is a imaginary thing that created shit out of nothing called god or whatever. People get used to assraping if that is the norm. That's what YOU are used to too. You just can't recognize it as everybody around you are being assraped also and they think its cool.
>>920444 except when you watch any UK fix it or car show and they are constantly mixing metric and imperial; as in "'ey mate, hand me the 5/16 inch box wrench" then a few seconds later; "'ere we go, 2 meters is the correct length. cut it there." I guess at least we stick with one system...
>>920461 Nasa has used the metric system for almost all systems since 1990 and has had a 100% usage of metric officially implemented in January 2007.
Meanwhile the Mars Climate Orbiter was lost on September 23, 1999, due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SI units of pound-seconds (lbf s) instead of the metric units of newton-seconds (N s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed (who built it)
Billion dollar satellites, Lost because American companies used to use Imperial, unlike NASA, who use Metric.
We can all just admit that Murika doesn't want to change because they are stubborn and resistant to change and can't admit when they are wrong. Basically the shitty co-worker you don't want to have a project with.
Everyone, including amerifats know SI is better. We know this because all professionals use it. The problem, as is the case with most issues in the country, is that the average citizen is too drunk/high/fat to think.
>>920424 except that it doesn't. There's several things widely available in metric that aren't so in SAE. Bearings and linear motion parts are the first things that come to mind. That being said, although I prefer metric I'll work with either so long as I can find the proper part. The numbers to a unit in OP's pic are quite irrelevant in terms of any calculation.
>>920533 that is only because as >>920528 said, there are things rarely available in metric that are common in SAE. It goes both ways. Try building a CNC machine with imperial units. At this point it's more a matter of what you'll be building and use the unit system that is prevalent in the field. Granted from a scientific perspective metric is nicer(only by definition), but in any engineering application either will do provided proper off the shelf components are available. Also, when I visited Australia, I was explained that they have both for lumber. They typically convert it to the rate of 25mm to the inch, therefore our 2x4 would be a 50x100 mm, or 5x10cm.
Living in a happy metric cuntry. Old enough to understand imperial too. I'll only use imperial verbally for the inches or feet approximations, "the dog is about 2 foot tall". If I need a true measure, it'll be metric. Get on with diy. Making me sage on diy metric/10.
>>920458 are you legit retarded? some cars use metric and some use imperial depending on the age or where it was built. if you have a nut that's imperial of course you have to use a fucking imperial tool, how the fuck does that have anything to do with using metric for something completely unrelated?
So why is everyone so shitter-shattered that Americans haven't totally ditched Imperial measurements? Of course metric is objectively superior for science/engineering/etc. but for everyday use Imperial is great.
>>920657 no one really cares, it's just something to give them shit about. here we regularly use both and it's really not an issue. it does get a bit annoying having to buy 2 sets of tools but whatever
>>920657 >but for everyday use This is how I feel about Fahrenheit. For the average person temperature is 90% used for the weather. With fahrenheit you get, at least where I live, about 73 degrees worth of difference. In celsius you only get about 40 degrees.
So the average person can be far more accurate in their main use of the unit.
>>920533 wow that would be a 5x10 then... so difficult and needs huge amounts of extra time to yell around on the construction site. I guess that's why european projects like the berlin airport ALWAYS fail. Also standardization NEVER made anything better, easier or more efficient.
>>920720 Using some Yuroretard control systems is suffering due to them only accepting whole digit Celsius degrees. I've installed a lot of BACnet IP LG VRF interfaces, and thank god 2 years ago they came out with an update that allowed it to take Fahrenheit numerics. Before that I had to try and explain resolution to janitors.
>>920540 Well new joists and girders need to fit in old houses and have the same load bearing capacity and roughly the same dimensions. Also, one does not simply switch over the entire fleet of trucks of wish to under load them by switching over to different storage sizes. So it's all the same give or take half a mm. Also, all of our fixings use AWG and all of our bolts are still imperial because thread pitch. Metric fixings and bolts are fucking expensive. Like one 20mm m5 bolt can cost roughly 2$ while a 1/2" bolt, nut and washer costs 50c
>>920853 Farenheit almost makes sense (The coldest you could get water with a solution, and the temperature of a healthy body), but was ultimately designed to be easy to manufacture instead. http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/solutions/faq/zero-fahrenheit.shtml
>>920393 in Canada we use metric on paper (calculations, speed limits, distances), but we use the Imperial system for everyday use. for example, we do construction in feet (homes, buildings - the plans are in feet). body measurement are in pounds (weight) feet (height) and inches (waist). we use imperial for sight distance evaluation also.
>>920458 I work in construction andactually find using both can be usefull. Using feet and inches is easy for less accurate stuff but if I need something really precise it's good to use mm. I don't really find it a problem and everyone on site has their own preference. Really good to know both if you want to work here.
I learned both systems in elementary school. Have no problem switching back and forth between them. The only people who are concerned with Americans not using metric only are people who are simply looking to troll.
>>921044 I remember a story from the engeneering class, that parts made in the UK didn't fit with parts made in the US because they had different patterns of the inch, one was 25,40005 and the other 25,3998 or something like that. I also found a warning in the book A.L. Casillas about the same subject.
Been slowly covering Americans to metric. We started with science and moved on to foreign parts tooled in metric.
Our greatest success was soda pop. Most Americans had no clue what a meter was until the bought their coke and Pepsi. We used vitamins to get them used to grams. Hardest thing has been kilometers. Started off slowly. One of our staff figured if we call them clicks and have some military movie guy say it, then Americans will emulate. Total success!
Imperial is closer to a base 12 system. Base 12 is vastly superior to base 10. The current system should be changed to make it more logical though.
Foot: 12 inches, base units 1, 2, 3 Yard: 3 feet, call it 1/4th a rod Rod: 12 feet, call it 1/12th Dodecarod: 12 rods or some shit. 144 feet Whoknows: 12 dodecarods. 1728 feet. New mile: 2 or 3 dodecarods. 3456 or 5184 feet. id prefer 3 to keep it more similar with historical mile of 5280. 2 would be close to KM of 3281.
>>920957 This pic is exactly why SI Units didn't catch on in the US, because the proponents were idiots in the way they presented it. By posting conversions with inappropriate numbers of significant figures, they made made ordinary people think that metric was overly complicated. Remember, 100 mm equals 4 inches, and 100. mm equals 3.94 (Not that ordinary people care about sig figs, but it serves no one to exhibit excessively long conversions.)
>>920457 >it would cost a crazy amount of money to switch.
Do you know how much the imperial system costs the USA? If America started using metric they would made their transition costs back in 18 years (if there was a sudden transition, a more gradual transition would cost even less). Exporting stuff to Europe is more expensive when using imperial. This can be seen when you take a look at the soft drinks in a store (in this case i used the vons online catalog) All bottles in metric are a lot cheaper by volume then bottles in imperial.
behind the scenes a lot products are already sold in metric quantities just because its cheaper: - All liquor is sold in metric units -All pharmaceuticals are measured using the metric system - butter and other spreads are sold in packets of 7 ounces (200g)
It may look like you still use imperial but more and more companies are just using metric.
>>920528 to be fair there are plenty of instances where it's more convenient to use imperial over metric, best example is construction. yes metric is easier to use when absolute precision is required, but 12 inches to a foot is a lot more convenient to use when having mexican monkeys frame up your house...
to be fair this probably isn't as usefull in europe where you don't have to build new houses, you just reuse the same stone hovels you've occupied since medieval days...
>>924984 I honestly don't understand why any system of measurement would be inherently more accurate than another, whether it uses inches, millimeters, cubits, hands...whatever. Tolerances are the same whether you call it half a thousandth, or a tenth of a millimeter. Lathes and mills have tolerances they are capable of working to, and I don't think they care what those tolerances are called.
>>925604 ameritart not realizing that this math only works when using 12 numeral digits
Its like laughing with someone using a manual drill when you have a power drill but then not plugging it in and drilling the hole by turning the whole drill. I am sure that your superior tool is better and easier to use.
>>925607 There was no Kazakhstan back then, just the Kazakh SSR, which was a part of the USSR. >>925868 Seconds and hours are not imperial. The division of the day (which can be defined based on the stars, the sun or the earth's roation) is absolutely arbitrary. The 12 or 24 hour system can be traced back to the egyptian and greek culture, while we have no idea what measure system was used in the british isles before the roman conquest. Can't really say that the time units in use today are imperial.
>>925878 They're not arbitrary, they're based on counting the segments on your fingers with your thumb. If you're a regular human with two hands, then you get 24. The Roman Empire extended throughout the Greek and Egyptian territories. So they're no less arbitrary than a measuring system based on some dead French king. You still didn't explain why Eurofags don't use a 10-base metric time. Once you answer this then you'll know why Americans choose to keep Imperial.
>>925892 I was taught that our time system is older than that, I'm thinking by the Babylonians, and they used 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day because they realized that you could divide those numbers in half more than once and get whole numbers. You could get clean halfs, thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths... Sounds like imperial, huh?
And supposedly a decimal time system WAS proposed, (by the French, surprisingly!) but it didn't catch on.
>goes to store, does not like one particular items in the store >burns down store.
your logic sucks man, Please use a serious reason next time all(vague/nonsense)reasons given in this tread are: >imperial works for us. >Yes, its harder but we're smart enough to use it. >Because 1 thou sounds cool >It would cost a crazy amount of money to switch.(untrue) >There are still tools that use imperial >The nazi's used metric >hur dur I dont understand base 12 but it sounds cool, imperial is base 12... right ?..oh its not ?? >UK still uses stone is their language.
>>926151 >>It would cost a crazy amount of money to switch.(untrue)
NASA recently calculated that converting the relevant drawings, software and documentation to the “International System” of units (SI) would cost a total of $370 million – almost half the cost of a 2009 shuttle launch, which costs a total of $759 million. “We found the cost of converting to SI would exceed what we can afford,” says Hautaluoma.
“Given these budget constraints and the need for consistent units throughout the Constellation Program lifecycle to minimise risks, and to contribute to mission success, we’re revising the previous management directive to a primarily English-units-based program,” he says.
That previous directive stems from 2004 when, under continuing pressure from its independent inspector general, NASA agreed to conform with US legislation enacted in 1988 that ordered all government departments to move towards the exclusive use of SI units.
The fact that USA and I think 1 or 2 more countries in the world don't use metric is stupid and rational at the same.
It's stupid because they use metric in dual system anyway - in science and engineering (in any international project anyway), so the basis is there. All kinds of conversions must be made etc.
The rational side of things is that it really works for people, the units are understandable and familiar. The number one reason against is the cost of conversion and fear of people dying becuase of it (don't forget, this is America, someone WOULD put 200 kilos on his gym bar and die).
i think USA should put more effort into conversion and start with small things like putting dual units on food containers or something. Ease into in during 1 or 2 decades and then start phasing out imperial.
>>926158 Why is anyone telling them to convert existing imperial drawings to metric? That would insane. Just stick to using metric from here on out, and make sure all of your contractors use metric from here on out. Where's the issue?
>>921934 I remember when my entire classroom repeatedly failed a basic physics test on velocity and acceleration while I was far ahead of them By the third time we had to take it again I said "fuck it" and converted all data into furlongs and fortnights and then back into metric at the end of all calculations I got 10/10 and my professor handed it to me saying something along the lines of "You're pretty good"
>>926397 indeed, this is the way the switch it suggested. If all schoolbooks printed from now on had metric listed with imperial in brackets it would not not cost more then books with only imperial. By the time those books are worn out (schoolbooks have a life cycle of about 10-15 years) they could switch to metric with no extra cost since the books needed replacement anyway.
>>926778 Yeah, but as you can see on news, no one kill muslims and other shit in your country, they spread free. Your child kill each other, niggers kill your family and 99,99 % of amerifag is functional illicterate. Have fun with your guns, just be sure u don't shoot urself.
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