Deathstroke Vs. Jesus

>>92739997
>comics taboos against (a) religion (Satanism is fine, can’t talk in any genuine way about God or, heaven forbid, Christ)
For real? There have been several comics involving Jesus and God. Like, the stuff with Lucifer and Michael and all them, for example, doesn't fall under this?

>>92739997
>(c) women’s feminine health issues (we are not allowed to mention or depict women going through their monthly cycle).
HOLY MENSTRUATION BATMAN

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>>92739997
Priest truly gives no fucks

See, it's not that you're not allowed to talk about a woman's cycle, it's just that no one wants to dwell on a woman's monthly chunky salsa.

Why is Priest so based?

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>>92739997
>Next issue, the “Lazarus Contract” epilogue, includes all of the above. I have _no_ idea why I’m not fired.

>I am genuinely impressed with how progressive DC has become. The last time I mentioned a woman’s menstrual cycle was Black Canary #8, circa 1988(?) where I gave Dinah Lance her period. There were meetings and memos and editor Denny O’Neil fretted over the decision and had to get permission. And we could not refer to it directly but obliquely as Dinah’s “bad mood.”

>So, with Deathstroke #20, I am left to presume either DC has become much more progressive, or, nobody noticed. Which means maybe I *am* about to get fired.

>Conservative Christians will likely love and hate next issue at the same time. Our theme is redemption and closure as we wrap up most Year One storylines. But the messaging is imperfect as are the relationships, both of which present complex inquiries into our existence and purpose as well as confronting the question and relevance of God, however each of us see or interpret God.

>I really did expect a phone call telling me they burned the script and I’d have to start over. But, not a word changed and out the door it went.

>>92740033
>For real? There have been several comics involving Jesus and God. Like, the stuff with Lucifer and Michael and all them, for example, doesn't fall under this?
Historically the big 2 weren't keen on anything that night get controversial In their mainstream books so you'd get Neron and Mephisto in their superhero stuff and Lucifer etc in other lines like Vertigo.

Sometimes they dip their toes into religion and show God as Kirby or a Scottie dog.

>>92740033
They talk about "The Presence" but they don't call him God. Mostly because pissing off the Abrahamic religions is a very bad idea commercially.

Jesus doesn't show up at all though.

>>92740033
DC was literally publishing a Judas book too a couple of years ago. It's not as big of a deal, but you probably generally have to be careful with some things.

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>>92740114
>I’ve asked DC Comics to send a preview copy to Christianity Today. No word yet on if they’ve done so. But I’d really like comics to take more and greater chances and to expand our audience beyond the traditional market. There are *billions* of dollars– with a “B” –to be made in the evangelical market. It mystifies me as to why neither DC nor Marvel are in it.

>I doubt any Christian bookstore would carry Deathstroke #20, mainly because it questions religion as much as embraces it. With traditional Christian bookstore chains, there’s a certain quantity of Kool-Aid that must be consumed, which misses the mark of Christ’s message by about a mile.

>Great art, great books and great music are typically banned from these chains which insist on a kind of inoffensive rounding off of reality and adherence to an evangelical message. In my experience, questioning my faith has only strengthened it.

>Deathstroke #20 is surely not an evangelical tool, it is just another issue of a comic book about an itinerant murderer. The Christian theme is just that–the theme of this issue, just as gun violence was the theme of #11.

>As with all good writing, the point is not to tell you what to think or even what to do, but to get the conversation started. Deathstroke #20 will most certainly accomplish that.

>Really grateful to DC, seriously, for confounding my expectations of censorship.

Well, he's among other things a literal priest; so he has, like, Divine Authorization and the publisher won't stop him.

>>92740153
>Legendary comic book writer Christopher Priest, currently on Deathstroke for DC and Catalyst Prime for Lion Forge, writes for Bleeding Cool.

>https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/05/27/deathstroke-vs-jesus-christopher-priest-writes-dc-comics-censorship-sex-religion-birth-control/

sorry for the slow posting, had connection problems

>>92740153
I love lil Peeg. She has to know that medically birth control pills are used to treat things and not literally only for birth control, but she can't deal. She's such a kid.

>>92740143
>Mostly because pissing off the Abrahamic religions is a very bad idea commercially.
Is it really though? Other shows and movies have depicted God without being panned or cancelled. Even Supernatural does it, and kind of makes the figures all too human, and still gets away with it.
And I'm fairly certain Jesus has appeared. Even if not, the Phantom Stranger I think was Judas in the New 52 so there's that.

>>92740165
Kek I forgot about this. So he's a priest, a bus driver, and a comic book writer? Anything else?

>>92740114
>I am genuinely impressed with how progressive DC has become.
See, You-know-who, this is how you do progressive.

>>92740153
>pic
D-did that mean Slade hit it?

>>92739997
>>92740153
>>92740114
Man I really hop Priest sticks around in DC. His no-bullshit way of integrating complex issues into comics without sacrificing the quality of storytelling could be the answer to Marvel's rampant, poorly conceived SJWing.

>>92740216
She just said she doesn't do that!!

>>92740216
it clearly says she has ovarian cysts and did nothing lewd

>>92740207
A musician, I think? Or a music producer?

>>92740205
Comic books aren't as widespread though, so they've got to be more careful. Now does that mean people would actually care if DC were to slander religion or something? Maybe not but if you're the editor at DC you've got to take people's reactions into account.

>>92740219
he's doing an Inhumans mini for Marvel

>>92739997
>>92740114
>>92740153
we don't deserve him

>>92740153

> black woman is confounded by the idea of birth control.

>>92739997
I swear one of the books I pull had periods as a minor plot point in an issue some time in the past month, but I can't recall which one. I'm gonna dig through what I've got out and try to find it.

>>92740272
Is it the one that just started last month with Black Bolt in a prison?
I never paid attention to the writers. First issue was good though.

>>92740297
No it doesn't start until August.

>>92740263
I guess I was thinking that if a show like Lucifer (which is based on his Vertigo series) could turn him into a heroic good guy who solves crimes and still have pretty good success, then no one (relatively) would blink an eye at comic book writers messing around with religion in their funny books.
I get what you're saying about needing to take people's reactions into account though.

The world needs more digital reprints of Priest books.

>>92740153
>New Peej is a christ-fag
Huh. Was NOT expecting that.

>>92740286
more like
>Christian girl can't process that birth control pills can be and are used for more than preventing pregnancy

>>92740272
I know. But I'm choosing to ignore that because
>inhumans.

>>92740351
pretty sure in the first issue they showed her singing in a choir

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>>92740289
Here we go. Cave Carson Has A Cybernetic Eye has Wild Dog getting a bullet wound patched up with a tampon.

>>92740355
Which is kind of weird given that she's supposed to be one of the smartest people on the planet.
It sort of implies that christians lose the capacity to think critically when their beliefs are concerned.

>>92740355
>>92740419
It think it's more the "only sluts would take this" stigma than her not literally knowing it.

>>92740419
Priest has made it very clear that she's still very much a kid and therefore naive about a lot of things. She might intellectually know that birth control is used for more, but she still unconsciously associates it only with preventing pregnancy because of stigma from her faith and upbringing.

Intelligence=/=Wisdom

>>92740207
NRA member.

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>>92740419
>black girl
>one of the smartest people on the planet
>turns out to be an idiot
Priest, you card.

>>92740289
They're not completely unmentioned. Like I remember a joke in Runaways about Nico not needing to cut herself to use her staff because she was on her period.

Actual medical reality tends to get skipped over though outside of pregnancy, so this is a little different in his mind I guess.

>>92740482
It's refreshing that Priest actually writes her as a kid as opposed to the 100 million kid genius over at Marvel who are the "new wave" and act like 30 year olds in 10 year old bodies.

>>92739997
Wait you mean screaming "MENSTRUATION" and "LET'S TALK ABOUT TAMPONS!!!!" randomly every two minutes without it having any bearing on the plot ISN'T the way to start an actual conversation about women's health?
Who woulda thunk!

>>92740419
>>92740482
she's extremely booksmart and very naive and a teenager, I'm glad she's dumb about some stuff and not perfect and better than everyone else like a lot of teen genius characters are written

>>92740216
No, she has POS it just means she has cysts in her ovaries and it fucks with her hormonal balances amd Birth control pills help some cases of POS.

I knew a girl who had that, she was cute but super insecure because POS usually makes girls really hairy since the estrogen they get is less.

They also have irregular and painful periods and tend to put on more weight too if they aren't careful with what they eat.

Priest is a hack and Deathstroke is overrated.

>>92740646
k

>>92740207
A nigger.

>>92739997
>>92740114
>>92740153
Deathstroke quoting scriptures is one of the weirdest things I have ever seen in a comic.

Is he going to recruit his entire team by preaching to them?

>>92740688
>implying I'm wrong
He's also a self hating nigger

>>92740772
that's nice

>>92740705
>>92740772
you two are edgier than Tony Daniel's Deathstroke

>>92740770
no, he's going to appeal to them all differently because he's a master manipulator

lure Terra with his dick and Wally with fried chicken, for example

>>92740815
Not an argument.

>>92740857
Now I know you are underage

>>92740216
Nah, birth control isn't actually just used for birth control. It has other medical uses, my sister has to regularly take them for example.

>>92740373
I thought the same thing during the Rebirth announcement but here we are, with Deathstroke being the best rebirth book by far

>>92740857
correct, it was an observation

>>92740216
Wel, he already hit Terra who has younger

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This reminds me of that stupid comic collaboration that came around Orlando.

>>92741221
>assault rifle

Kek.

>>92740153
As Catholic Italian, I find Christians in the USA mostly a bunch of nuts.

>>92741221
Priest actually did a gun control issue of Deathstroke though

>>92741356
It's just the ones you'll hear about on TV that act like cults that are fucking insane. Most are normal.

>>92741356
That's because most of them are.

>>92741382
even the "normal" ones... either are very(too much) religious or basically atheist.

Them lot should really learn moderation.

>Go on Christopher Priest's wikipedia page
>An urban Gospel song recorded by Priest in 1985 (then known as Jim Owsley). Although best known for comics writing, he has pursued music and Christian ministry for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jim_Owsley_-_A_Mighty_Fortress_Is_Our_God.ogg

>Priest is an ordained Baptist minister
>In my experience, questioning my faith has only strengthened it.

This gon be good

>>92739997
I can't recall religious references in comics ever being very taboo, particularly in DC where a significant part of its cosmology/lore draws from it.

>Most powerful entity is quite literally Abrahamic God (The Voice/Presence)
>Phantom Stranger implied to be Judas
>Lucifer/Michael making appearances
>The Spectre is an outlet for God's wrath/vengeance, was once an angel that rebelled in Heaven
>Various demons act as villains/antiheroes like Etrigan, Neron or Satanus

>>92740094
>>92740060
Because he works on his craft, and because he holds to basic quality and ethical principles, and is willing to sit out of the industry for fucking YEARS to get a chance to write a good story.

>>92740339
Vertigo is a different weight class. And in Vertigo's case, people literally got arrested for selling their books at one point.

>>92741571
Vertigo has different standards

and in PS and the Spectre's case,
>implying
is the best they'll get

>>92740533
Reminder that Mockingbird and Faith are up for Eisners for best new book against Deathstroke.

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>>92739997
>(c) women’s feminine health issues (we are not allowed to mention or depict women going through their monthly cycle).
I guess Priest is not reading Marvel.

>>92741854
Marvel isn't DC

>>92741854
that's just using the word there's not mention or showing of someone actually going through it

but there are exceptions to what he's talking about

>>92741885
But mentioning is actually worse than showing.

Priest was allowed to show Black Canary going through a menstrual cycle, but without mentioning it.

>>92741930
I'm trying to say using a word out of context is different from using it to apply to an actual situation canonically happening

>>92741854
That's just supposed to be a joke. Besides Priest is used to the industry of 15 years ago and publishers since then have matured a lot. Now the main battles behind the scenes are if something is marketable or not as apposed to what kind of boundaries you are supposed to push with your content.

>>92740419
Being smart does not mean you know everything. No matter what, there will be something you don't know because learning never stops

>>92740419
Uh, have you never heard religious conservatives talking abouts their believes on female sexuality? You have classics like "the woman body has an internal mechanism that automatically terminates rape pregnancies."

When it comes to sex, American gung ho Christians are fucking retarded. They will object safe sex education entirely on muh morality grounds even though numbers show only teaching abstinence programs increases teen pregnancies. There's also a lot of higher than thou hypocrisy involved, like whenever a female abstinence on religious grounds advocates are caught being pregnant themselves, it's always "oh, but it's totally different with ME having unprotected sex, I still think abstinence is the way to go when its other people"

>>92742579
>You have classics like "the woman body has an internal mechanism that automatically terminates rape pregnancies."
The USA have religious congressman saying that.

>>92741748
Reminder that Mockingbird mention women going through their monthly cycle. And Priest wants to compete

>>92742615
Reminder that Mockingbird implies that only weak women are raped. And Priest wants to compete.

>>92740153
>There are *billions* of dollars– with a “B” –to be made in the evangelical market. It mystifies me as to why neither DC nor Marvel are in it.

Because no one with a brain would touch anything that panders to those freaks.

>>92742657
Agreed. The last thing the Big Two need is making Chick tracts.

>>92739997
Actual taboos are anti semitism, anti Islam, anti gay and anti government that's why they don't dare break them but they are breaking the other "taboos" every other week what a bunch of cowards

>>92742773
>hate speech is taboo

wew lad
hate speech is hate speech, that's why no one with a brain would present any argument with it

>>92742773
Paktion Comics was pretty firmly anti-government

>>92743231
>anti Islam
>hate speech

>>92740094
>Why is Priest so based?
He's had time to learn who to piss off and who not to. Also as Spider-Man editor he's the man who brought Peter David into the fold (firing Archie Goodwin to do so) when he was still not well known.

As a writer he's one of the last of his generation, who understands the medium for what it's supposed to be and not as a dumbed down screenplay format. His frequent absences have kept him from burning out like most others of his seniority.

He's also ridiculously literate, Shooter drafted him out of the New School for Social Research when he could have gotten a job writing or editing for an actual New York publication because Shooter knew the field needed people like him.

>>92741356
It was a Catholic Italian that started the trend of flooding us with Mexicans.

>>92740770
"Even ___ _____ may quote Scripture."

>>92740165
>a literal priest
Minister, please.

>>92739997
>most absurdly (c) women’s feminine health issues (we are not allowed to mention or depict women going through their monthly cycle)
Mockingbird already did that, though. There is no "taboo" to be broken anymore.

>>92739997
>same-gender relationships
There are a ton of gay relationships in big two comics now, though. There have been going back decades.

>>92743507
just because someone else broke the taboo doesn't mean the taboo is gone

>>92742657
Dude give it up, you lost your job drawing X-Men, move on.

>>92743507
It has to be a book that is actually read.

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>>92741372
Yeah, the last page of the issue.

>>92743669
That was an awesome issue.

>>92740411
wasn't this the original purpose for these

>>92744781
there's evidence of women using tampons in ancient Egypt, so no

>>92744886
Thanks for the correction.

> I kind of let it be known, politely, I’d love to be working in the business again, that would be great, but I want to be taken seriously as a writer, not just as a “Black writer.” We’d have these discussions about every 18 months. A company would pitch me an idea, and I’d go, “Well, I’m not really interested in that. How about Martian Manhunter? I’ve got this great Martian Manhunter idea.” Then they’d go, “Well, we’ve already got somebody working on Martian Manhunter.” We’d go back and forth, and then we’d go, “Well, thanks for the call, I’ll see you in 18 months.” That’s kind of what’s been going on.

MM is blacker than Cyborg in every aspect that isn't melanin.

>>92744781
>>92744886

Eh, sort of. It's more grabbing clean cotton to dress wounds, which also was in ancient Egypt. It probably goes: cotton wad bandages>tampons.

>>92744989
I'd love to see Priest write MM or Batman. I doubt MM could sustain itself past 15 issues though.

>>92744989
>>92745850
he should write Vic Sage Question
there is no title I want more

>>92745943
let's just clone Priest and have him write every white character

>>92745966
but who should write the black characters, then?

>>92746070
Coates and David F. Walker since apparently they're cool with it

>>92746086
Didn't Coates want Spider-Man though?

>>92746118
X-Men.

>>92739997
What will Slade do when he finds out Isherwood banged his son?

>>92747381
At this point I wonder how long it's getting drawn out. Peak comedy when it was on the phone screen but he couldn't see it.

Would make sense if he's the villain in this issue that Priest mentions though.

>>92748221
Was it monster Isherwood that killed the fiancee?

>>92748255
That would have been my guess but with Waller now I'm not sure. Could easily be leading into some other plot.

>>92741221
This is a bit too cartoonish.

>>92748916
the whole thing was kind of ill-conceived

Morrison's pages were pretty cool though

>>92749084
It was interesting to see who used the space well. Hard to nitpick a charity thing too much though.

>>92740033
They drove away Rick Veitch away from Swamp Thing for it.

>>92743383
This. Priest is the last of his generation, a generation where writers didn't treat comics as a step to writing tv pitches while writing just "fun" Cape comics. A genration that had to compete with the British invasion.

>>92748916
Wasn't it written by the guy from snl

>>92740216
Slade might have hit it without her knowing.

>(c) women’s feminine health issues (we are not allowed to mention or depict women going through their monthly cycle).

Remember when people gave Mockingbird shit for making fun of this

>a) religion (Satanism is fine, can’t talk in any genuine way about God or, heaven forbid, Christ),

You guys published a book starring Judas!!!!

>>92753821
who is neither God nor Christ

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I was just wondering this today:

Wonder Woman is the mortal champion of the Greek gods, Rama is the mortal champion of the Hindu gods, Manitou Raven is the mortal champion of some Native American gods, Aztek is the mortal champion of the Aztec gods, and so on and so forth.

In the DCU, would Jesus not be the mortal champion of the Christian god?

Imagine if Jesus were in a modern comic as a superhero like those characters. What powers would he have?

>matter transfiguration
>levitation
>healing factor
>healing touch

>>92746070
Bendis should take the street level. Ewing should take the high flyers.

>>92753821
The author had centered the entire issue about "her feminist agenda", ignored the fuck out of the silver age female heroes, and had the thing about tampons just seconds after several dudes got literally murdered.

It was the combination of murder, victory dance and the merch t shirts on the girls that pushed it into permanent memedom for me.

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>>92740153
>Tanya has PCOS
NOOOOOOO

>>92756101
This, Mockingbird read like it was written by a psychopath DESU.

>>92740216
No, but it means that now Slade can hit it raw.

Please make them a thing Priest. I love those 2 together.

>>92739997
>>92740114
I just love how Slade fucks these kids up and still wants them to forgive him and tells them they should forgive him and gives them a reason that in his mind makes logical sense but he still doesn't consider their feelings.

He just wants his kids to love him.

>>92757545
I wonder what Slade did to Terra in the Rebirth timeline. It seems like Judas Contract did not happen and he screwed over all the other members of his new team.It would be strange if Terra was the only one he didn't damage.

>>92740482
High Int
Low Wis

>>92758016
we'll find out next wednesday

>>92740411
The name of the tampon! Aunt Flo's Country Tampon!

>>92740482
*tips Aryan fedota*

>>92743669
>>92744287
I didn't really agree with the message but it was pretty fucking awesome. Priest's writing is effortlessly mature as it is but when he actually tries to write mature stuff, it's on another level.

>>92760689
Someone tell this anon to look up.

>>92760788
There was no message to agree with though.

>>92760817
Message is literally on that page and Priest shared that sentiment in pretty much every related interview.