What do you want to see from Frank in Season 2?
He's obviously too young to still be a Nam vet, so I'm guessing he'll be an Iraq/Afghanistan vet, or did some crazy spec ops Heart of Darkness shit in a jungle somewhere to echo the Nam background.
>What do you want to see from Frank in Season 2?
I want to see him Frank some motherfuckers with an M60.
I just want the scene where he has Daredevil tied up and with a gun taped into his hand, whilst he assassinates someone. And from the dialog in the teaser, and this image, I'm getting my wish. That was an amazing scene.
>Thought that was Scott Adkins in the thumbnail
Yeah, I mean, the main 'issues' or source thereof of the Netflix shows is grounding their characters and stories more than the comics do. Which is a stylistic choice I like seeing here and there, but some people take issue with it. But Frank is already pretty grounded, for the most part, so there shouldn't be too much straying from his character, not even visually like they did with daredevil.
The suit here looks better. It seems that Charlie Cox slimmed a bit for a better fit. Last season he was buffing every episode more and more, and by the end the costume looked way too tight (adding to the other flaws of it). I think they took his measures in the beginning of shooting and he just grew too much by the end. Here it looks better (may also be the red-ish lighting.
No frank show has been officially announced. But it isn't more redundant than having a second season of Daredevil after the first. There's always more stories to tell.
So I'm guessing Season 2 DD is gonna be the typical Kingpin/Elektra/Bullseye gangbang with Punisher showing up and clashing with DD but ultimately helping him with Kingpin. I wouldn't be surprised if they made Kingpin responsible for Frank's family.
So what would they do for Season 1 Punisher? Pull out Jigsaw maybe?
I want to see Barracuda at some point.
No Kingpin this season. Not recurring, anyway. I don't think bullseye has been announced or talked about, either, but I seriously doubt they don't have him in the same season as Elektra.
Bullseye is not in this season and I don't think Fisk will appear much. Maybe at the end after he gets out of prison in full Kingpin mode.
Directors said Punisher is the season's main antagonist.
A fight against Frank/Will Simpson.
Frank vs. Frank: The Frankening.
Bonus points if one of them whistles the star spangled man with a plan while looking for the other while he's hiding reloading his weapon.
How do you feel about this footage they showed at Brazil Con, /co/?
>The “teaser” started on a scene where Matt, dressed as Daredevil (wearing the uniform from the end of season 1) walks on a room that looked like a refrigerator. The place was barely lit and had big slices of meat hanging from the ceiling.
>As Daredevil walks on that room (the camera focused only at him) we see that he’s searching for something as he stays quiet, slowly walking deep into the room, turning his head trying to hear something. At some point, something not show to the spectator grasps his attention.
>The camera open focus to the rest of the room and we see that there are also people being hanged like meat.
>Matt searches the corpses with his super senses, not touching, only trying for heart beats, once he finds someone he rush to aid the man: “I’ll take you of that” (or something like it), he says as he tries to take the barely alive man off the hook.
>After succeeding, he lays the guy (that I have no idea of how he could be alive considering how badly injured the dude was) on the ground and say something along the lines “Why did they do this to you?” In which the guy mumbles “They? It was just a guy”. Matt stays dead silent, camera focusing on him.
>The scene shifts. It’s night time and someone is on the top of a building aiming a sniper riffle at a person on a taxi. I’m not sure if the person being aimed was a man or a woman, though it looked like a woman.
>The man behind the gun is no one else but the Frank Castle. While Frank is readying his riffle for the perfect shot, unaware of his surroundings, DD appears.
>Running on the rooftop, he jumps and kicks the gun, amazingly diving over Frank to stop him. They soon engage on a fight, but when it was getting interesting and intense as fuck the scene was cut with the Daredevil logo and “2016 - NETFLIX”.
Speaking of writers, Frank Miller already commented that Elodie Yung is not his Elektra and never will be. He hasn't even seen the show and he's already firing off bullshit.
Motherfucker's cancer only made him more arrogant.
Heh, he looks too Italian and Guido-y. Frank Bernthal looks a lot better, and it's not like the Grillo is that much better an actor than Bernthal anyway. The Punisher is not the kind of character that requires that great an actor, so long as he can scowl and generally look miserable. It depends much more on the writer, I think.
Sure, for all intents and purposes, that wasn't the Joker. It was a good spin on the character, and a great character in his own right, but it wasn't the joker.
This one is pretty close to Miller DD actually. Hell, Charlie Cox is literally Matt. Vincent D'onoororroforooroio as well (Love and War).
Elektra will be as close as it gets but Miller will hate it anyway. I don't want him to become second coming of Alan Moore but seems he's already lost. Hey, at least Miller wrote some god-tier stuff :^)
Elektra is his character.
He created her both in writing and design, defined her, killed her, ressurected her and gave her one of the first female led solos at the big 2. Miller is arrogant, yes, but if anyone has the right to comment on Elektra it is him.
No, he's just the most talked about besides Walton Goggins, who I don't think would do it.
It's mostly that Paul's forehead and crazy eyes are his only distinct things about him, and he hasn't done anything noteworthy since breaking bad (mostly because he doesn't have that good a range).
SO who the fuck is the main villain? There's no way Frank will be the major antagonist of the season because that would essentially make it filler before the inevitable Punisher series.
Is it going to be more Hand/Black Sky shit? Are we going to go full Ninja II this season?
Odds are it'll be a disposable (but demonstrably brutal) crime organization that Frank can carve through while Matt cries at him to stop. Probably hire some street level side villain as well, if that isn't just Elektra.
The Hand is too big to not get teased pre-release, though I've never been terribly interested in them.
Yeah, Stick is confirmed for 3 episodes, and the Hand is going to be the main villain group. Now, they might have cast some Japanese actors that aren't that famous so they haven't bothered announcing them (how early did we know about Shinkoda last year?). I hope they don't follow the rule of the conservation of the Ninja too much. That always sucks.
That or it's one of Punisher's mostly unremarkable villains, who always die at the end of the story.
These Netflix productions are very hush-hush.
Sure he has the right, but he could at least see it before dismissing her. He might not be wrong, but he's still an hypocritical asshole. Daredevil wasn't his character and he made a living out of writing him. Same goes for Batman and everything else he put his finger on.
I mean they spent all that time in S1 building them up as an important organization, I feel like they need to start moving those pieces around the board some.
>Stick is confirmed for 3 episodes
Smells promising to me.
>These Netflix productions are very hush-hush.
It's the nice part of not having to do any actual advertising or promos for your shows unless you want to. Netflix cares more about building a library then what the ratings are right now, so they don't need to care about a huge promotional cycle.
Yeah, ratings mean nothing to Netflix. They don't have opportunity loss because they don't have a finite schedule where they could replace a bad rated show for a better one. After producing, they need to recoup their money, and the best way for them to do so is to keep a diverse library with quality enough to justify their price.
Heck, Marco Polo was expensive as shit, poorly received and rated, and they still went ahead for a special and a second season. I suppose the starting costs were lowered on a second season, so it will start to compensate after a couple seasons.
Speaking of they could reuse some of the sets and assets for the Iron Fist series, if they want to cut costs to afford a CGI dragon.
I don't know why, but that comment the Chinese lady made about her organization being otherworldly (don't recall exactly what she said) made me assume she was linked to Fing Fang Foom for some reason.
I don't think they are moving towards moon knight/blade/ghost rider like so many people want to. They are establishing these brands and they will milk them for a while. These ones are too expensive compared to their fame, especially because of the magic part of it, which is only worth doing if it's to be expensive.
Heck, even a multi-season Punisher show seems weird to me without being a bit repetitive without crossing paths with other heroes.
Marco Polo is nothing. Hemlock Grove was a legitimate joke of a series that everyone made fun of and I genuinely have never met a person who has ever watched an episode out of one thread I saw one time on /tv/. It still got 3 seasons.
It doesn't matter if everyone hates it now, what matters is it'll be around for the next decade and just by being part of their library it makes them money. This is also why they're letting auteur lunatics like the Wachowski siblings and Baz Luhrmann do their own series with zero producer oversight, even if it creates pure madness like Sense8. They're taking pitches for things that barely qualify as series like Narcos because fuck it, why not?
I don't like everything they do and I think their writing format still needs work, but from a business standpoint it's fascinating to watch and their content is at least interesting and unlike anything else.
The old lady was connected to the ninja that Matt got BTFO'd by, it's The Hand..
They don't necessarily have to go into his origin this season. Or they could do it sparingly: Matt looks him up and goes "whole family gunned down at a picnic, that's pretty fucked" and then if/when Punisher's show happens they can go into his memory of it, the psychological ramifications, etc etc
Though frankly I want some of S2 to be told from Frank's perspective. I just want one narration starting with "Punisher War Journal Entry#32:...."
Yeah, but did hemlock grove cost 90 million to produce?
I don't think Marco Polo was bad. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. It's just hard to justify the price. It looked fucking beautiful, though, and the winter special reminded me a lot of Avatar:TLA. I really liked that.
if punisher does well? They'll probably do the 2014 costume, but otherwise it'll be some glorious moon knight.
Frank is basically the same plot every time, what matters is how it's being told. We've already gotten
>80's action movie
>bugfuck-nuts Cannon films exploitation action spectacle
versions of Frank from the previous three movies, they just to find their own version of Frank and how he murders punks.
There's basically a Soviet wall of silence around all Netflix productions, we don't know shit about anything behind-the-scenes on how the sausage is made.
Goddamn. That's what happens when you want to be Game of Thrones I guess, you need to have the GoT money.
I've been tempted to watch it, it looks like my kind of stupid.
No one really knows. The big daddy of Netflix House of Cards still isn't over despite having no reason to exist at this point, so we’ll have to see how these shows handle departure when they have to go.
Daredevil should have enough stories. Iron Fist maybe, too. But Jessica Jones and Luke Cage don't. There's hardly anything for a season 2 to begin with. I just hope they don't go arrow on it after a while. 4 DD seasons + 1 or 2 team up seasons seem like a good place to stop.
I don't think it will last much longer past Phase 3. Feige is maybe gone, most of the actors are gone and they are going to start doing legacy characters and power creep will reach it's maximum at IW2. I think interest in cape movies will also veer off by then. I'd like Marvel TV to have more of a cohesive vision like the movies.
After that they'll have to sell it again.
My fear about a JJ show is that JJ isn't a great character. They CAN go the general detective route and make her a less edgy female rorcharch or something. Maybe adapt the beginning of Alias, since they pretty much skipped it.
Most of Alias and the reason of Jessica existing at all was to show a story featuring Purple Man. She's a reactive character, not an active one. They'll have to work extra hard to make it not a generic detective show and make Jessica a more interesting character without Purple Man.
That or make it more of a Hellcat show. You know what? I'm fine with that. I really liked Trish. She really felt a lot like the perfect Carol to bring to the big screen, which is funny considering she was a Carol stand-in, anyway.
That's why I'm really interested to see what they do with JJ S2. I really enjoyed S1 warts and all, but they blew their load on the big story and closed off any chance of it opening again, so now it;s basically going to have to be pure OC from here on out because no one cared about The Pulse.
>not make it a generic detective show
Well maybe not the generic part, but I love the idea of it just being a detective series with a dusting of cape on it. The one thing they proved with JJ is their willingness to actually branch out into new genres and play into them with their characters, and if they want to make a fucked-up noir series starring Jessica Jones I'd be down with that. I'll take Bosch with superpowers.
Why the fuck not? Rachel Taylor was the secret MVP of the show and finally proof that she can headline a real show by herself.
I'm not making any quality judgements about it, jsut saying that no other channel would have taken that show on. It's pure fucking madness and any other network or service would take one look at that and go "Cloud Atlas by way of Bablyon 5 sounds like a sure-fire disaster."
And yet Netflix is giving them a Season 2. They're letting weird shit though because they can, and that's fantastic.
Watchowski's curse. The matrix and Jupiter Ascending cancel each other out. Most other things are really divisive. Cloud Atlas might be one of my favorite movies, but most people I know don't really like it.
Yeah, I don't know enough about Melissa's chops. She did help write pretty interesting Dexter seasons, so she might be able to spear-head it. I'd like to see a weird concept villain again. If it has to be OC, then so be it. About separating Hellcat, they'd be spreading themselves too thin, I think.
They set up mutant growth hormone. Just rename it and its good to go. I want to see that story done. Can't use spider girl either but they can just have a lot of others using it, maybe Pasty.
I never watched the other show she was showrunner for(though I know that's where Nuke's actor came from) so my only other point of reference was her being on Dexter for the good years.
>About separating Hellcat, they'd be spreading themselves too thin, I think.
You might be right.
It's not that the actress couldn't pull it off, it's just dividing the main cast too much from a show that already lost it's main focus and reason to exist. About the showrunner, these shows are good mostly for being produced by Netflix, which has a pretty great track record. I don't think Marvel TV is the one pushing things up, but the only other show they have control over is SHIELD, and that might be quirky because of it's condition of being the MCU pilot flame most of the year in the years that didn't have anything else occurring, and the fact that broadcast tv generally sucks, these days.
> but the only other show they have control over is SHIELD
Don't forget Agent Carter. I know the rest of the world has, but I swear it's pretty damn good.
> and that might be quirky because of it's condition of being the MCU pilot flame most of the year
I feel like the lack of interest and disintegrating numbers are what's letting that show get weirder and weirder. It's gotten to the point that it just needs to exist because it has to exist, so they're letting the writers do whatever because all it needs to be is time-filler material for the MCU.
>mfw if only they had listened Will on the first time
>mfw all those people who whould be alive
>mfw Hellcat dares to say that Simpson was the one delaying Killgrave demisse instead of Jessica
>mfw Women are shitters and everyone is surprised.
Heh, most of his actions put hope in jeopardy. It is stupid in hindsight, but they took the most humane approach at each step. It's called greedy programming in computer science and it generally sucks if you want to optimize, but it's how the brain usually works. The fact that in the end they eventually had to do it his way actually meant they got smarter and more pragmatic about it.
The function of AoS is to be the pilot flame of the MCU. It's there so casual people remember and talk about the MCU around the year. It's also there to come after the movies and plug up potential plot-holes. It's like the broom-car in bike races (do they have those everywhere?).
It's never going to be big, but it can be entertaining and serve its purpose. I don't mind the movies ripple outwards into the series, if it mean there's less contrivance. At some point some show will challenge the movie continuity and it'll be easier to remove it from canon without bogging down the already busy movies, but for now it covered Whedon's ass with the Helicarrier plot-line, and having a covert ops setting is an easy way to justify retconning as 'I didn't tell you before because you didn't have the clearance'.
It's there if you want it, but you don't have to. Heck, it makes for a better incentive to make it good, and it's getting there, slowly and intermittently. So long as it doesn't devolve into relationship drama and telenovela, I'll keep watching.
I have no idea why they are going to do most wanted, since Hunter's interactions are one of the best parts of the show, and mockingbird is bland as fuck, but I'll see it before dismissing it. Damage control seems like a good idea, but the movies are far apart. I wonder how they'll approach it.
We 'should' get a trailer trailer around now. The first one was a teaser (for the movie), and this latest one was a teaser for a trailer. We still have no official trailer, and I don't think we will until next month, since they almost certainly have to agree on a case-by-case appearance by spider-man.
I'm fine with them not showing anything else until May.