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Why do people hate this show again?
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Is that Azrael or Red Hood?
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>>79844528
Jadda smith.

The second season has been the best live action capeshow ever. Sadly jadda is coming back
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Thanks for spoiling me, you meanie.
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>>79844528
Looks like a Skyrim character or some shit. What a fuckin load.
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>>79844569
Azr
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>>79844588

>The second season
>Anything but a slow motion car crash between embarrassment and shame

LOL
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>Batman's villains existing before Batman
This is Smallville shit tier
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>>79844592
Sorry, didn't know
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>>79844634
You have really bad taste in TV keep watching your CW diversity soap operas
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>>79844528
It's because they don't get that it's actually SUPPOSED to be kinda stupid and that that's what makes it fun.
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>>79844645
Not as bad as

>Brian iyak
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>>79844645
Read a comic book faggot
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>>79844588
she'll be fine

in fact I'm pretty sure she was season 2 Gotham before there was a season 2 Gotham
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>>79844634
The second season has been way better than the first. No more Fish Mooney, Gordon is just some grumpy dad, it's just more but better.

>>79844686
You're allowed to like both, you know.
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Whoever thought Gordon needs to go through some kind of Vic Mackey-style moral corruption storyline should be shot. You can't spend an entire first building your character as the modern day version of Jack Webb from Dragnet and then suddenly decide in S2 that his emotional state of mind over what he does is important.

It's incredible the amount of weapons-grade horseshit this show peddles. At this point I'm only watching it for the trainwreck quality and baby Bruce, who's probably the best-realized and written character on the show.
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>>79844752
>Mr. Freeze
>Azrael
>Scarecrow
>Joker
All those after Batman. Read YOU a comic book, faggot.
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>>79844796


>Mr. Freeze
Nope
>Azrael
Nope
>Scarecrow
Yes
>Joker
Debatable, in fact, nope.

>Read YOU

Just get the fuck out
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>>79844796
>Scarecrow...'s dad who had none of his sons gimmicks
>Joker who wasn't actually the Joker

Nigga if you're gonna argue, you gotta at least watch the show
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>>79844528
I thought that Logo at the bottom said "DC Hiatus" I thought "How appropriate!" then I re-read it.
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>watching gotham
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>>79844528
Oh shit, I didn't realize it was Galavan at first.

This oughta be interesting. Costume looks great.
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>>79844967
Re read your whole life
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>>79845089
>stop liking what I don't like
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>>79844528
whoa what holy shit.

i love this actor a lot but yeah now i'm wonderin gwhat the hell is goig on
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>>79844686

I haven't watched the CW ones because they seem super corny. Like Gotham season two. I'm a big Batman fan and "city of Gotham" fan, the show is just crap.
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>>79845134
I just offered my condolences to everyone who watches Gotham. There is no need to get upset when I'm being nice.
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source on pics?
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>>79844848
Azrael was the guy that took over for Batman. Can't replace Batman before Batman. You read a comic.
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they were promised Gotham and instead got ham
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>>79844787
The writers decided that Gordan as a good cop constantly drowning in the sea of corruption was one of the reasons why people hated Gotham.

And it's true.

How fucking long could they keep recycling the story given that it's one of the chief aspects of the character (Gordan pissing in the river of the corrupt GCPD), pre-Batman? Even post-Batman?

Corrrupt cop James Gordan at least isn't a human punching, the world's most impotent bitch who can't win ever. And it helps make Gotham it's own beast, which is why season two has been an improvement over season one.
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>>79845401
Doesn't mean it's Azrael, faggot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Order_of_Saint_Dumas
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Is Tabatha going to return? My dick needs to know.
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>>79845801
The post quoted specifically says Azreal came before Batman. Are you trying to argue a completely different point?
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>>79844528
>not muh
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>>79844528
Because it's a Batman show without Batman.
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Why do batfags ruim every single Gotham thread? It's just an elseworlds you babies
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>>79846059
It's not a Batman show.

It's Gotham, which is its own thing.
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>>79845898
The Azreal during KnightFall was not the first Azreal.
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>>79844645
Gotham was already ridden with crime when Bruce became Batman, that was the REASON why he became Batman.
Are you honestly braindead? Are you one of those edgy kids who go "hurr durr Batman is crazy and created all his villains, Gotham is worse off with him because of all the crime he creates while fighting crime"?
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>>79844704
>It's supposed to be stupid
One thing I learned as an artist, if I need to use this excuse to save my ass from criticism, my art fucking sucks and I failed.
If it was indeed "supposed" to be stupid, if it was good at it it would succesfully communicate it to the audience.

Obviously, it fucking doesn't.
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>>79846860

I mean the show tries to go for intentional camp a lot of the time, but then it decides we should care about the emotional arc of the characters at the same time even though all of them are dumb cartoons.
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>>79846860
Here's another thing artists should learn: sometimes, the audience is stupid.

Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail.

Because sometimes you get hammered, and sometimes you get nailed.
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>>79846926
Audience is never stupid.
If your audience is too "stupid" for your art, that is YOUR mistake in picking the bad audience.

If you give 8-year old boy copy of Watchmen and he says it's boring and will go back to reading Captain Underpants, are you gonna call him stupid for not understanding it? No, you were mistaken in giving book to a wrong person.
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>>79847068
Instances where you actually get to PICK your audience are rare, especially in television.

You don't pick the audience, the audience picks you.
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Fuck all ya'll haters. I'm down for this costume, AND i'm down for him coming back.
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imo

Supergirl > Legends of Tomorrow > Flash > Gotham > Arrow
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>>79847198
>ya'll
please go
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>>79844848
>>Mr. Freeze
>Nope
Didn't Freeze used to be an actual serial killer who harvested organs to prolong Nora's life? Not before Bats but part of a cold case.
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>>79847161
... Are you literally not aware of concept of "audience target"? Indeed, Cartoon Network has no choice but to produce cartoons, because for some reason kids just wont stop watching their channel.God knows they tried to put them off as hard as they could, with overly violent series like Samurai Jack and Powepuff Girls, but kids thought it was awesome! Then they tried with the live action shows, still didn't work! Kids just won't stop watching the channel, and CN changes execs so often because they commit suicide from the fact that all they wanted was to make a 24/7 hentai channel and they would get away if it wasn't for those meddling kids!
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>>79847310
It seems like they're adding the gun to the changes to freeze. I'll miss the freeze shotgun
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>>79845134
Anon, nothing wrong with watching what you enjoy, good for you,

That doesn't make it good though. Doesn't mean you have bad taste or anything, but it's not because you like it that's it's even decent.
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>>79847324
>>79847161
In case you didn't get it - if you pitch a show to Fox, you pick an audience - one of Fox viewers. And you should strive to make the series that people that watch Fox, at the time of your timeslot, will enjoy.
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>>79847324
You don't always hit that target audience.

The existence of an image board dedicated to the discussion of children's entertainment exclusively for adults is a testament to that.
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>>79845159
You're neither of these things. The show hits the "city of gotham" perfectly aside from some very minor timeline issues. But as the age of Bats' villains has been consistently INCONSISTENT, that doesn't bug me one bit.

>>79846803
Amen. I like how Bruce is the one sole ray of hope in this show, and even Gordon is turning into the Punisher with Judge Dredd as his boss. It's pretty awesome.

>>79847221
Gotham>Flash/Supergirl/LoT>>>>>>>>Arrow? Who the fuck is Arrow?
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>>79847310
Nice pic of Captain Cold.
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>>79847360
Art is subjective.

If I think it's good, then it's good. If you think it's bad, then it's bad.
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>>79846803
>Are you one of those edgy kids who go "hurr durr Batman is crazy and created all his villains, Gotham is worse off with him because of all the crime he creates while fighting crime"?

It's not really the invention of edgy kids when that very plot point comes up in B:TAS, is it? Before Batman crime was the mob and institutional corruption, not people who dressed up like a fucking clown.
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Because it's unwatchable garbage.
It's not good at being serious, it's not good at being campy.
Anyone who says it's "in the vein of Burton's Batman movies" is a fucking idiot.
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>>79847460
>Gotham has a more accurate Captain Cold than the Flash
how about that?
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From
>"Its a show about Batman before he was Batman and villains before they were villains!"
To
>"Its a show about Batman before he was Batman and villains."
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>>79847440
That's fringe audience, and that's also one you pick.
By making show based on DC Comics Gotham, you pick fringe audience of DC Comics/Batman fans. Orr not so fringe, considering how mainstream Batman is lately. So yeah, we're going into finetuning your audience, you can pretty much decide exactly who's going to watch this series - Fox viewers that like Batman and crime series, for example.
We could further define it to be usually men, most commonly white, aged 20-30.
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>>79847290
I love the '66 influence in this costume.
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>>79847528
There's various takes on it. That's one, but that hasn't really ever been true in the comics. The one the series operates on is that Gotham itself is a cursed place that erodes the sanity of its citizens.
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>>79847528
Yeah, but it's always considered to be ambiguous and it's always contrasted with the fact that Gotham always was crime ridden, it's just supervillains that started showing up after Batman - and even that is only one version, based on Millers' Year One.
Treating the concept as some ubeatable truth and assuming because Batman created SOME of his supervillains, doesn't mean Gotham was a nice city before he took up the cowl.
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>>79847534
it's in the vein of Burton's Batman movies
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>>79847534
It's Megacity One on a small scale. If you don't like it, cut your balls off. You aren't using them anyway.
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goddammit is fish mooney really coming back to the show? SHE IS AWFUL
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People hate it, because it's literally a Batman show, without Batman. The stupidest idea, ever.
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>>79847755
>comparing Judge Dredd to that garbage show
Kill yourself you dumb faggot.
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>>79847886
except it's not. Fuck, would you complain about a Gotham Central show?
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>>79847905
>confirmed for never having read the comic

Right back atcha.
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>>79847924
That would have Batman cameos
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>>79847886
It's funny how people say this when babby Bruce is possibly the most accurate live action Batman we've had. The borderline autism, doing actual detective work, and establishment of his morals make him so much better than Baleman.
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Because it literally has no reason not to be a full on Gotham Central show except stubbornness and company politics.
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>>79847561
I like both shows, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
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>>79848051
>I-I have nothing to say better pull the "y-you just din read the comic" card
I repeat. kill yourself.
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>>79848254
costume wise I mean, just messing around. Still waiting for him to put on the shades though
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>>79848289
lol, go back to twitter.
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>>79848331
Quality argument, as expected of tasteless idiots who watch Gotham and think it's good.
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>>79848426
>Quality argument, as expected of tasteless idiots who watch Gotham and think it's good.

Nice meme buddy, no one thinks Gotham is good, we're ironically liking it.
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>>79848426
You:
>U watch Gotham kill urself
>I expect a quality argument in response to this post
>because I'M SPECIAL
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>>79848491
>IT'S MC1 BECAUSE I SAID SO
>WHO CARES IF MC1 IS SHIT BECAUSE OF THE COMIC'S SATIRICAL NATURE, AND GOTHAM'S SHITTINESS IS FORCED CAMP FOR IDIOTIC BATFAGS
>IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU DIDN'T READ THE COMIC
To be fair you deserved all the "go kill yourself" for being a fucking idiot. No need to get mad, faggot.
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>>79848609
Stop projecting and see a psychologist. You're in dire need.
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>>79848304
Gotcha! I hope he steals those shades soon.
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>>79844528
i don't hate it but really no batman = no sell. I don't give a shit about babby bats.
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>>79848753
Yeah fuck bats. I enjoy the detectiveness of the show. Tsundere catgirl is cute, and firefly was adorable. Never came around to Penguin, and I wish good guy Riddler lasted longer. I think they fucked up on Harvey Dent's age.
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Timeskip when? Weren't they going to have Bruce join the Gotham PD for a bit?
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>>79844528
Cool costume.

Series is still shit.
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>>79847485
>Art is subjective
Some aspects of it.

Quality isn't subjective. Therefore, Gotham is objectively shit.
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>>79850420
You're playing semantics.
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>>79850420
QED

Atheists BTFO
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>>79844848
>>Joker
>Debatable, in fact, nope.
Batman threw (or accidentally pushed) the Red Hood into some chemicals and created the Joker.
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Gotham is good fun
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>>79850536
He meant Gotham has no Joker. There was character older than Bruce (highschool age) had all the characteristics of Joker but got stuck like a pig. Then there was a red Hood bank robbing gang but all took the bullet. My point is that Gotham had some characters you think are going to be Joker but they die.

Personally I think the Joker is still some kid seeing these criminals on TV and using them to base his personality aka Joker on
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>>79850924
I think Jerome will be brought back to life like Azreal and Fish
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>>79844645
>this
Also
>worst iteration of alfred
Absolutely inexcusable.
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>>79844528
why every characters older than batman in this? and bat is supposed to be the first costumed vigilante in gotham
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>>79844645
Clark already hero in smallville, he saved people and shit
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>>79844787
WTF they made him corrupt? they can made him good badass instead bad badass
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Child actors.
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>>79844528
Because, Not "Muh" Batman. It's just casuals that can't wrap their minds around elseworld stories.
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>>79845401
he showed up as azrael before he took over for batman
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>>79854876
he's corrupt in that he's willing to make deals with the penguin, and that he killed theo galavan because he knew he wouldn't be punished.

but it's not like he's corrupt like the cops in s1 were.
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>>79845401
Azrael is a mantel, passed down to different people
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>>79844634
The second season is probably the second best cape show atm. First is season 3 of AoS
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>>79844616
WHERE IS MY FUCKING WIFE, BATM- GORDAN.
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>>79845827
I hope so, that woman is sex incarnate.
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>>79856416
I just need my weekly douse of Morena Baccarin.
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>>79844686
My shows are iZombie, Legends, Gotham, Supergirl and I'm liking Lucifer so far but I'm not gonna watch Arrow/Flash till they're completely done. Both shows have given me such highs and lows. I don't trust either at all to no completely 180 characterization/tone in any given episode. Dropped Arrow after Merlyn went meta and told the entire cast no one could act besides him and Flash when Wally turned out
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>>79847301
yes, that was a thing but don't expect /co/ to read comics to know that.
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I love how Gotham makes Batman look even more incompetent because according to the show everyone he fights isn't an equal they are 15-20+ years older than he is so by the time he's 30 Bruce is going to be fighting super-villains most of whom qualify for AARP
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Because its a dumb unecessary concept
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>>79847924
why didn't they just make a Gotham Central show instead of this shit?
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>>79858215
because Gotham Central inevitably would demand frequent usage of Batman and in doing so, make the cops look like bumbling chumps
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>>79844528
>he is called penguin because he walks funny
>completely miss the riddler's point and needs to show every fucking second his wacky riddles before he even becomes a villain
>Gordon is a killer
>that shit they did to firefly
It's okay as a show,just not as a Batman show.
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>>79844645

Yes, that's how it works dummy.
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>>79846059

It's not a Batman show though, it's a show about Gotham.
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>>79847886

>Not Muh Batman

You'd think with all the Batman stuff that has been released in this decade alone, people like you would live off of it for a lifetime.

>The stupidest idea ever

Just cause you can't grasp something doesn't make it stupid, it makes you stupid.
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Say what you want about Gotham but you can't say that the set design/atmosphere of the show is crap.

The city feels like another character imo.
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>>79858242
Why would it? Just use Batman sparingly as a plot device. Show him as a urban legend or something, and the varying views on police working with a vigilante can be used as a good thing for characterisation.
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>>79858363
Batman was the birth of a new level of crime in Gotham, before him it was just Mafia/Gangster crap but apparently it was Jim fucking Gordon that started it
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>>79858445
Because most people would automatically bitch and moan about wanting more Batman, and not just two second cameos.
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>>79858497
well sure, if we completely ignore the fact that Alan Scott fought costumed crime in Gotham decades before Batman. And all Batman did was give birth to popularization of super crime after he started dismantling the crime families and created a power vacuum for freaks to take over. Gotham is largely about subverting that, where the rise of psychopath criminals gives birth for the need to Batman to exist in the first place.
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>>79844528
Because it's the most directionless shit on TV.
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>>79858641

It's only directionless if you're a dumbass. Your brand of direction is the CW shoes where the villain of the week is caught after 40 minutes but that's not before someone cries about their feewings.
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>>79856416
Every time she was on screen my dick twitched slightly.

>she will never use her whip on you
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and here I thought Gotham is one of /co/s favorite.
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>>79859785
Only to those with taste
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>>79848304
>costume wise
It's annoying that miller never seems to even put the hood up anymore.
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>>79859785
It is one of those split. Most of the time you can talk about it with a few turds in the punch bowl (so hard to get real discussion but a few good posts)and other times like this it is drowned by 'this is shit and everyone who loves it is shit".
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>>79859785
how could it be liked by /co/ when it shits all over their comic counterparts,you'll probably have better luck on /tv/.
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>>79844752
Seriously? Kill yourself Gothamfag, I doubt you even have read acomic besides Batman Year One
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>>79845576
I just don't understand the point of making a Batman adaptation where you A) don't use Batman
And
B) Change your lead character drastically both from source material and season to season
Fuck this show, just make original characters you retards
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>>79844528
That looks really good. Better than any Arrow, Flash, AoS and Daredevil costumes. Better than a lot of mcu shit too(Cap in Avengers especially)
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It's an entertaining show, and that's really all it needs to be.

It's not pretending to be canon to the comics, so why care about changes?
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This show makes me mad to think about, it's the biggest casual show ever created.
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>>79860702
>has a focus on the supernatural side of Gotham
>fucking Balloonman full of The Shadow references

>casual
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>>79858215
Because the showrunner really liked Return of Bruce Wayne #5.
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I stopped watching this after 1st season's mid-break. Not because of it is that bad or anything else i just stopped watching.

Is this show gets better? that Goat episode was epic. Child actors were still annoying though.
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>>79860808
The second half of season 1 is where it finds it's feet
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>>79860808
Watch the Red Hood episode and then skip to Season 2.
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>>79860828
>skipping Scarecrow
faggot
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>>79860848
Oh yeah, that was pretty good too.
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>>79851378
Utter bait.

Sean Pertwee's Alfred is fucking based.
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>>79860871
>Bruce asks to be trained
>"Yer fucking running home m8"

Based Alfred
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>>79860828
The red hood episode was rather weak honestly. I liked the Ogre episodes more.
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>>79857581
Batman fighting the Riddler, or Scarecrow, or Penguin, or Two-face or the Joker or the Mad Hatter etc has never been about the physical challenge. He's about 15 in the show, 10 years would make most of them late 30's early 40's. Hardly geriatric.
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>>79860916
Scarecrow is like 18.
He'd be 28 or so.
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>>79860828
>>79860848
i watched where i left and drama was shitty too.

>Barbara cheats Gordon with female Question.
>Child Ivy answers Gordon's phone because of they broke in his house with child Catwoman.
>Barbara gets BTFO because of the female voice.

Penguin's story was interesting tho. But if drama goes that shitty i will just watch those 2 episodes.
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>Azrael vs A Talon
Yes please
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>>79860966
Barbara gets really entertaining because of how much she gets shit on now.
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>>79860966
You should probably see the Ogre episodes too since Barbara gets pretty much mindbroken
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Who deserves the Umbrella Sword more?
Fish or Galavan 2: Azrael?
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>>79844528

I don't know, I love it.
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>>79860721
>I cant read books they give to children with reading disabilities so I will pretend a Batmanless Batman show is anything but the biggest casualfest this side of the MCU
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>>79861145
Bruce in this is pure Batman
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iZombie>Gotham>Flash>Agents of SHIELD>Legends of Tomorrow>Arrow
More or less.
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>>79854876
In any other show, he would be "good badass". Gotham brings up that "good badass" sometimes breaks the law, too. Jim is very much trying to do the right thing, but in a place as fucked up as Gotham, sometimes that means stepping outside the law.
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Jim and Bruce might as well become Batman and Robin at this point. And since Jim is Batman in the comics now, it's not so radical anymore.
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>>79855140
So what turns Gordon into a pussy later on?
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>>79861472
>mfw Gordon uses blackmail on a corrupt official to get himself in a position of power where he can better clean up the GCPD
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>>79861542
Yeah, he struggles with playing it straight. He already kind of did in season 1 with his Penguin shehanigans, and in season 2, he developes more to cleaning up the town than toeing the line no matter what, which is more the Jim Gordon who will eventually work with Batman.
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>>79861512
>just like your daughter
fucking Joker
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>>79861512
the closer to the dark side he comes, the more limitations he puts on himself.

Think of it as in like Vampires the Masquerade, where you might play fast and loose to begin with, but keep it up and you're left with only a single point of humanity standing between you and six weeks of massacring everyone you lay eyes on
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>>79861667
One of my favorite jokes by that guy ever.
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>>79844645
My headcanon is that Gordon is gonna become the Grey Ghost or some sort of vigalante that inspires Bruce. But thats kinda ridiculous. I thought something like that was gonna go down because Mckenzie voiced Bruce/Batman in Year One.
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>>79847221

Flash > LoT > Gotham > Arrow > Supergirl >>>>>>>>>>> Agents of Shit

Although desu Arrow can either be way better or way worse on an episode by episode basis
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Why the fuck are they introducing characters that weren't around until Bruce Wayne grew up?? They'll be in their fuckin 50's and sick of the game by the time Batman shows up.
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>>79864319
Because it's an elseworld, you moron.
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>>79854936
>asuals that can't wrap their minds around elseworld stories.
Elseworlds =/=/ good.
Not necessarily.
Gotham is like a horribly written Elseworlds where the retard writers are too fucking eager to do over the top villains all while keeping Bruce in middle school.
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>>79844645
Azrael being around before Batman is actually a good idea, provides inspiration to Bruce
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>>79864319
>50's
That describes literally no one
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>>79844796
Mr Freeze has always been older than Bruce. And he's only like 15 here, in 5ish years he's likely gonna become Batman.

Don't know much about azrael, but Scarecrow we saw was Scarecrow's father and not him (although he got corrupted and will carry on the legacy)

Joker is about the same age as Bruce here, so it's not unlikely.
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>>79864405
It's like a great elseworlds where Middle School Bruce has to deal with these over thetop villains

>Matches
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>>79858720
Gotham does villain of the week every goddamn episode
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Damn, I gave up on this show after two episodes, but I fucking love Azrael. Did this show got any better?
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>>79864660
It's gotten more focused on a freely flowing plotline.

There's way less of a villain of the week feel since there's just a main group.
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>>79864764
Yes.
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>>79844645

If I remember correctly, Azrael has been around since the middle ages.
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>>79861394
Flash, Izombie, Gotham, Agent Carter, Agents of Shield, Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow
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