Man of Steel might have been dumb, loud, and generally mediocre, and everything MAN OF MURDER, but the Smallville fight scene with Faora and Kal is far and away the greatest fight scene of any cape movie.
Zack Snyder can do one thing right - fight choreography. 300 and Watchmen and Sucker Punch showcase this, even if they showcase Zack's other failings...like character development and "things what make sense". That Smallville scene is the high point of the movie for me. It is the one instance in all the movies I've ever seen where the shaky cam isn't a huge distraction and instead adds to the intensity of a two vs one brawl between invincible super humans with normal-ass humans trying to help. The way Zack directs the camera and your vision so you effortlessly take in everything about the fight despite the shaky cam. Everything about Faora. Their punches feel heavy and the sound design is just great. There is no other cape fight scene that comes close to the "realistic" spectacle of this fight.
You literally can't disagree with me.
You'll probably get a few assholes in here that will say different, but it's objectively right. MoS has the most visually pleasing cgi fights, and it looks like BvS will have the most visually pleasing practical fights with Batman.
I didn't like how after Smallville, we get less than 5 minutes to catch our breath before we're thrown into the World Engine business. And then, maybe 30 seconds before the Zod fight. If they had cut down on Krypton, there would have been more time to space out that 3rd act.
All because Gal Gadot got pregnant.
I agree actually. great visual director who knows how to compose shots to make it feel like a movie, and an epic one at that. He just needs to not be involved with writing or something. JUST stick with visuals.
Also yes his action is great too.
>there are actually plebs who prefer fake brands in fiction, like wacdonalds and depsi, to real ones
>this is the real reason this shit continues to appear
sped up weightless CGI and obvious prequel trilogy-tier green screen acting from the kryptonians, how amazing
everytime i watch those man of steel fights i'm amazing at how awful they look
The product placement was blatant to the point of parody.
>Spectacular action but it seems too bombastic for Superman IMO
I have to disagree. Superman fights are usually frustratingly slow and dull since we all know what he's really capable of.
I wasn't impressed, but grabbing,and flinging, smashing does make sense, it's not like they would need martial arts. I'm not exactly sure what I'd expect from the fighting of such beings, always felt good and impacting in the cartoons.
are you really defending this shit? did too many man of murder friends make you overly defensive?
i liked man of steel but the product placement was abhorrent. it's fine to admit a movie has a flaw. you can still like a flawed movie.
>Are you really defending this shit
No, but I've only heard product placement be a problem in MoS when I've seen is glaringly obvious in a lot of movies. Some that are hugely popular
I like they used CGI for the shield so they could have a fist fight, it would have sucked and been so awkward if they used a real shield. This allows for maximum intensity in the choreography; cool trick
Yeah i don't care what anyone says, MOS did the fights perfectly
It felt exactly like how kryptonian power should be. The weight of strikes, the speed, the damage they did (and didn't do to other kryptonians)
Couldn't have been done better
I actually felt like they conveyed pretty well that Faora was a more proficient fighter than Clark, but not quite as physically strong, whereas the other henchman (forget the name) was physically stronger but not as proficient a fighter.
COMPLETELY agree 100%. I regularly watch that scene. It's so freaking cool.
Actually agree. As much as I love Faora, it's really a shame that she's not playing WW or that we'll never see Faora again. She was legit more memorable and more threatening than most MCU villains.
>Smallville fight scene with Faora and Kal is far and away the greatest fight scene of any cape movie.
KEK, there is a TV show who does 100% better fighting scenes every week
Faora was literally perfect. Hopefully they'll bring her back at some point.
Just fyi, THIS is how they should make a Superman video game. Just watch the hell out of this scene, really analyze it, then use this as an inspiration for how to make a Superman game work. I think you can really watch this shit and then tell how a Superman game could work.
This is the best practical effects driven fight scene in a superhero film so far
This is the best CG'd fight scene thus far
What's the worst?
I'd say this one, to be honest; for a clash between two gods it just comes off as a shit wrestling match
As generic as Hans Zimmer usually is, the soundtrack was great too. Especially Superman's leitmotif. It was far and away from the Richard Donner film's version but still felt majestic, mystical and full of hope.
Watchmen's fights were well done but honestly Snyder was misplaced as a director. Watchmen was the one superhero film that didn't need his bombastic, over the top style. Still an enjoyable film, but would have worked better with a director who places a greater emphasis on realistic naturalism.
Other games like Devil May Cry and Bayonetta do it well.
Shit, just have Platinum Games do it. Honestly I feel like you people overcomplicate things way too much, regarding a hypothetical Superman game. I think at its core, it just needs to be a really good action game.
I think the main problem is how would you translate Superman's capabilities to a video game without making your players feel arbitrarily restricted.
You're also forgetting that Dante and Bayonetta are not invincible, just massively overpowered compared to the mook enemies. A better comparison to DMC or Bayonetta would be a Flash game. A non-flight capable Wonder Woman game would also work well in this format.
The fights in MoS were cool looking but not particularly mind blowing. They lacked tension but that's arguably more a fault of them sticking their guns with the whole "Kryptonians are so invincible they can't even hurt each other" thing.
(Which still doesn't make sense. How can you be strong enough to break someone's neck, but not bruise them?)
Either way, Matrix Revolutions had a final fight of a similar scale to a Superman fight like what? 10 years prior? This just had more contemporary CGI behind it. How long until it ages like milk?
I'm hard pressed to name a movie that's aged as poorly as any of the old Superman ones.
Holy shit. Why do casuals still think this after Man of Steel, or after Doomsday was revealed for BvS? You'd think they'd see the later character, at least, and google that time Superman was beaten to death.
Open World Sonic the Hedgehog
Good movies don't age, anon. The special effects maybe, but if a movie was good once it will always be good
Swear, you never hear anyone say that movies like Chaplin's or, i dunno, Metropolis aged poorly. This arguments always comes in when fanboys try make their more recent movies look better than the old, see for example Raimi's Spiderman that from one day to the other became "too cringey and old-timey"
It's a matter of scale. Dante and Bayonetta are Superman-tier invincible, they just typically fight things on their level that can hurt them. Even Devil May Cry mooks are eldritch horrors wielding darkness or hellfire infused blades as big as people. DMC/Bayonetta bosses are eldritch horrors and great demons.
Superman game vs Thugs might get stupid. Superman vs Darkseid's forces invading Earth with fighting a few of his foes on the side and pushing into Apokalyps makes things more believable and engaging.
>Good movies don't age, anon
You're right; they don't. You can watch something like The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and have no idea that it was made in the 60s; I didn't when I first watched it. Or watch films and television shows like Casablanca, the Wizard of Oz, Seven Samurai, Laurence of Arabia, the Twilight Zone serials, It's a Wonderful Life, or the Godfather, I and II, and enjoy them to the same extent as you would have when they were released.
There's nothing to justify how cringey the older Superman movies were (world spin and S symbol throwing and all) or everything portrayed in that clip, outside of the fact that it was never really that great of a movie in the first place. This movie came out at the same time as Raiders of the Lost Arc, yet if you compare the climax of Superman II and Man of Steel, the former looks like a parody.
>how come they were praised at the time
Because Superman was the only superhero movie at the time. The Godfather was praised, legitimately, because it was well written, well acted, and had a God tier soundtrack. This is why the old Superman movies aged like milk, while something like The Godfather aged like fine wine.
So what's your argument, were Donnner's Supermans cringey and bad movies period or are they just not among the best cape movies because the genre progressed since then? Because I don't see how else the "it was the first superhero movie" argument would work, the average movie-goer wasn't a comic reader highly anticipating his hobby to be recognized by Hollywood
>So what's your argument, were Donnner's Supermans cringey and bad movies period
By the standards of its still famous contemporaries, and by that of modern superhero films such as Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins, Iron Man, or Man of Steel? Yes. But at the time novelty factor was still present, so it was more than enough simply to make an audience "believe a man can fly." Character development and tension was optional. You don't need to read comics for the wonder and escapism superhero stories provide to appeal to you, and even these movies weren't well written, they still had that when nothing that offered it had the later.
>Man of Steel might have been dumb, loud, and generally mediocre
Except it's none of those things. Well loud perhaps. There were plenty of explosions. But that's typical of an action movie.
Now you're saying there was no character development or tension? Not even the conflict Clark felt during 2 because of the duality of his life? If there was nothing really likable about the movies, what made those audiences believe a man can fly, just the fact that he had a suit?
Dude, it sounds like you're throwing words around to make your "old Superman is boring" argument feel more sophisticated than it is
I mean, it's ok not to like those movies, i didn't give them a real chance myself until 2-3 years ago, but to say that people only liked it because "they didn't know any better!" is just silly
>If there was nothing really likable about the movies, what made those audiences believe a man can fly
Because he did so. After the flashback ended his character became perfect, both morally and physically, free of conflict, and paper thin.
Superman the Movie is why we get annoying questions from casuals in the nature of, "Why doesn't Superman just spin the Earth around?" It birthed the Superman is overpowered meme.
Also, as worried as I've previously been about Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor, the one thing I've been confident about is that he'll still be a better villain, and a better Luthor, than Hackman's. It'd be difficult for the character to be portrayed any worse; Silver Age Superman, who fought an incarnation of Lex who could build time machines from toothpicks, put against a real estate mogul more bumbling and incompetent than his depowered modern incarnation. I don't understand why this was thought to be a good idea.
>Because he did so. After the flashback ended his character became perfect, both morally and physically, free of conflict, and paper thin.
And Man of Steel Clark gets pushed around by ghost dads and stupid dads and is passive all around, not that much of a progression. But let's ignore that, i don't want to start another MoS argument.
You're not much wrong, but that was the first movie concentrating on his fairly simple origin story, what about 2 and the conflict i just mentioned?
>Superman the Movie is why we get annoying questions from casuals in the nature of, "Why doesn't Superman just spin the Earth around?"
Except i never heard that question, casuals either don't remember or don't like Donner's Supes, generally
>It birthed the Superman is overpowered meme.
You sure it was the movie?