>>79753603 Hoping Suicide Squad doesn't get panned, that's currently the better of the two movies on my radar so far. I'm gonna see them both regardless, but damn I wished they'd drop the "Dawn of Justice" from "Batman v Superman." I think this alongside the second trailer ruined most expectations for the film.
It wasn't a company wars until your stupid ass wandered in.
I'm a massive DC fag, but asking "what do you think DC/WB will do if the product they're betting the farm on winds up getting panned?" is fair. This plus Suicide Squad are both supposed to firmly establish the foundation of their cinematic universe, that will lead into a whole host of other films. If that foundation doesn't take, do they continue on with their plan? Or will they step back and try to retool their projects in progress?
I mean, goddamn I hate this sort of cult of personality around the characters of The Joker and Harley Quinn, but it was a smart move on DC's part because no one but us would give a shit about a team entirely made of washed-up C and D-list villains.
Marvel also had years of consistently good and positively-reviewed movies to build their cinematic universe and their brand, so people went to go see it not based on the characters themselves, but because it came from the MCU.
>>79753886 My grandfather lived 36 years to give birth to his daughter to give birth to me 20 years later to wait another 19 years later to see this fucking film. No life doesn't go on... I've waited to see this film since I was in my dad's ball sack while he was reading Kingdom Come.
>>79754160 The worst part is that DC had ample opportunity to build their cinematic universe yet they did fucking nothing. Blame Christopher Nolan and "mah realistic Batman" shit. DC wanted to have their universe centered around the Dark Knight verse but Nolan said fuck off.
Green Lantern was an unintentional stepping stone for the DCCU but failed miserably. Man of Steel was like it or hate it, and now we wait for Batman v Superman to see if DC can truly 'catch' up with Marvel.
>>79753449 It's a post- 2004 cape movie. Of course it's going to be pandering mindless trash that focuses on trying to establish a "cinematic urine-verse" so they can steal your money by having incompetent fools make messes of already meh characters.
Why haven't people moved on from DC and Marvel?
Why does no one like comics that don't have spandex in it.
I have more faith in David Ayer as a film maker than I do in Zack Snyder.
With that in mind I think Suicide Squad could be fantastic, but I'm really, really worried about Harley Quinn in the film. She has consistently been what I've disliked the most about each trailer and I'm worried they're going to go all out with her because she's a "Fan Favorite".
I'm not saying Harley Quinn is going to destroy the movie, and I'm hoping I see a good Harley Quinn as opposed to this current "Strong Woman; Don't Need No Man" Harley Quinn.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with fans? If they want a strong female Antihero, who has sexual tension with one of the leads in the Batverse, don't they realise one has existed since the 40s?
>>79753449 Alright I'm going to attempt to give a serious answer to the OP's question. What if Batman v Superman sucks? Let's assume that by "sucks" it means that BvS comes out, it gets less than a 60% on Rotten Tomatoes, and after it's first week it's starts dropping in the Box Office pretty hard, and in the end makes less than 1 Billion WW.
If I were a betting man in Vegas, I would say that in this scenario, Warner Bros would have serious concerns about Zack Snyder helming Justice League, and from that I think it'd be pretty likely they'd replace Snyder, but keep him on board as an advisor/producer, so it doesn't look like they told him to fuck off. Because it's asinine to think they the man be given a third chance. He was given Superman and a huge budget, and he fucked it up. Then he was given Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Doomsday, and an even bigger budget, and let's say in this case he fucks that up to. If he can't handle that, with a more competent screenwriter this time, then how the fuck could he handle The Justice League?
No to mention that saying "Justice League is set for release on this date! And Zack Snyder will be directing!" isn't going to generate hype with a lot of people. The guy's name will be like a fucking tumor attached to the title. Of course there will be people who'll be excited anyway, but a good percentage won't have a lot of hope for the movie. Therefore if WB wants to achieve maximum hype, they'd boot Snyder and replace him with a bigger and more respectable name. Such as George Miller.
But I digress, BvS still hasn't come out yet so we don't know what's going to happen. If it sucks though, then I'll be betting that Zack is gonna be voted off the island.
>>79758626 Considering the last two Batman films made at least 1 Billion, and that this film also has Superman, and the first movie version of Wonder Woman, I think anything less than 1 Billion isn't what WB is expecting.
My predictions >overall reception: mixed, mostly positive >critics review: 65 to 67 percent >audience review: 74 to 79 percent >box office domestic: 600 million >box office worldwide: 800 million >word of mouth: characters such as Bats & WW will be praised while Superman will be criticized for the same reasons in MOS (development), the story will feel incomplete & rushed but the visuals and action will be applauded.
>>79759768 I'm more interested in the psychological consequences for Batman and Superman. This movie seems to be dealing intimately with the vulnerabilities of both characters. For one, we have the introduction of Kryptonite and seeing how that affects Superman's psyche has always been fundamental to the character. Just as well, from what we've seen both Batman and Lex Luthor will contribute to a change in Superman's entire hero mentality. Rather it's Batman attacking his lack of oversight or Luthor attacking the godlike persona that's been built up, Superman's own set of morals is constantly being tested because it seems to him that the more good he does then the more animosity he faces. I trust that Superman will be forced into taking a hard look about his role in the world.
Mirroring that, it will be interesting to see how interacting with Superman causes Batman to emerge in the public eye as a superhero instead of a vigilante that stalks the shadows. One thing that I've picked up on about this new Batman from all the articles and interviews is that he experiences a underlying feeling of inadequacy - to protect his allies, family, city, etc.. While he is challenging this invincible man of steel, he is also internally challenging that feeling. He is struggling to know rather he has left a lasting impact during his crusade, so if taking down Superman can be his climactic act on the planet then so be it. Although this takes a lot of inspiration from TDKR, this Batman isn't anywhere as stable and mature as that iteration.
In terms of repercussions, I'm more invested in learning how their ideas about themselves are changed rather than seeing Superman in an sling cast or Batman in a wheelchair after they fight. To that point, I believe the formation of the Justice League will be less about Batman and Superman shaking hands and playing boy scouts but rather as a external materialization of both characters' internal growth and self-acceptance.
I'm pretty sure that most of the non-comics fans who went to see Guardians (and non-comics fans were the bulk of its audience) didn't know or care that it was a MCU movie. I'm pretty sure they went because it looked like a fun sci-fi/action film. Then it was bolstered by word of mouth, because it was really entertaining.
Why did they decide to make a retarded bat-voice? Will the Robins also have to do it to disguise their identities? So if they go with Under the Red Hood Dick and Jason will sound like they're starring in a shitty music video instead of seriously trying to beat one another? Will other masked heroes do it? Will it all be 2 hour long music videos with even more shaky camera work?
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