>>79681654 Yeah, how 'bout any of them? Half the movies have Magneto and/or racist humans as the villain. >X1- Magneto >X2- Racist humans >X3- Magneto >FC- Sebastian Shaw >DoFP- Racist Humans >Apocalypse- Apocalypse
Give me Arcade, Mojo, the Brood, the Shi'ar, hell give me fucking Cassandra Nova. The X-men have a huge rogues gallery and the movies barely scratch them beyond being cannon fodder for Magneto.
>>79681654 Mr. Sinister, basically. I don't think they want to touch that clusterfuck of X-mythology though.
X-Men stories work in cycles, the same themes are usually repeated every ten years under different villains. Genosha would be interesting. Also Hope + Messiah Complex through Schism (ignoring the related Avengers materials; Wolverine is the star of the franchise and setting up Cyclops as a Magneto analogue would help prevent the Magneto fatigue the movies could possibly suffer from)
Those b-lister villains are cool in the comics, but they rarely lead themselves to epics necessary for film plots.
Focusing on the Shi'ar (even bringing up Deadly Genesis) could be interesting though. I'm sure they want to avoid another 60s flashback given the chronology they've set up, and too many films set in the past already, but it could give them a space saga to rival Marvel's GotG franchise.
Not X-Men, but Galactus and Dr. Doom. Fox does have the rights... Isn't it weird that the Fox logo in the beginning of an X-Men movie disappears but leaves the X visible just awhile longer, but they never did that with the F in Fox for the FF movies?
>>79681924 Oh, I think he could be done well. But that's because you and I know him beyond the 90s TV show. The internet would spend a year or however long it's filming just pointing out how he's an 80s arcade operator and make jokes about his outfit and Pixels jokes and shit, it would be awful.
>>79681729 >Implying the movies have ever attempted to translate the "X-mythology."
These movies have never actually tried to adapt the relationships and histories that give the characters their depth and meaning. If they did Sinister, they'd do a facsimile of his Silvestri look and make him an evil geneticist dude and that would be it.
>>79682300 For example, despite Fox having the live-action X-men rights, they needed Marvel's permission to make any X-men shows, which is why they had to come to a deal for Legion and Hellfire with them since Marvel wasn't going to just let them make it without getting something in return.
The result of that deal is that Marvel is co-producing both shows.
>>79682200 These rights contracts are 200+ page documents that need entire teams of lawyers to parse out. There's no "that's the end of it." They're labyrinthine legal monstrosities that have no simple answers.
If Bryan Singer ever lets go of his new stranglehold on these movies, then they need to do a New X-Men on it. Move back to a contemporary setting, recast the leads (please get someone who gives a shit for Storm), keep the cast small (Prof. X, Cyke, Jean, Storm, Beast, Logan) and do a new villain. Emphasize the scifi but keep it light. Focus on giving each of the characters an arc and getting their relationships right.
It isn't rocket science, but here we are getting another Power Ranger movie that wants you to think it's a Chris Nolan "film."
I'm really hoping that Deadpool makes all the money and proves to Fox that costumes and strangeness are in vogue right now.
If that happens, there's a lot of fun stuff you could do with X-Men once you back up off of the "everyone has to be a mutant, everything has to be allegorical racism" thing. X-Men has almost as many alien empires as Star Trek.
Though, with a Dr Strange movie coming out, I wonder if they'd be able to use Juggernaut's real origin.
>>79682300 >>79682348 Wonder how much power Marvel has, then. Could hire a team of lawyers to scrutinize Fox and be petty as hell. "Wolverine can't say that line, an Avenger says that line in a non-X-Men comic. Reshoot the scene or lawsuit."
I do wonder what Marvel got out of the Legion deal. I'm dreaming they get to use the FF rights but doubt it, probably would've heard about it by now.
>>79682262 With Apocalypse's role in the new movie, it'd be the perfect set-up. We could get Cable or Hope, and really fuck around with the mythology (since they can't play it straight, of course).
That could easily lead to Schism which would be the best thing to watch on film. At least then I don't have to groan that certain characters are portrayed wrong, since that was just a summer blockbuster clusterfuck to begin with.
It's a pity the New Mutants never had a real enemy, because those are the characters I want to see on the big screen the most.
>>79682661 Would be a bit rich after they put a "Why don't you put the whole world in a suit of armor, Iron Man" line in AoU. Besides for all the (justified) noise over Marvel and Fox's disagreements, they've always played ball when it comes to that stuff.
>>79683162 >With Apocalypse's role in the new movie, it'd be the perfect set-up. We could get Cable or Hope, and really fuck around with the mythology (since they can't play it straight, of course). >>79683214 >Cable is, at the least, meant to star in an X-Force movie soon They said they specifically don't want to bring Cable's origin in the mix (either in X-Force or X-Men movies) because it contradicts AoA events and augments timetravel clusterfucks even more, so don't hold your breath. You'll get Cable in Deadpool 2, and that's probably for the best.
>>79683288 >They said they specifically don't want to bring Cable's origin in the mix (either in X-Force or X-Men movies) because it contradicts AoA events and augments timetravel clusterfucks even more, so don't hold your breath. So, "listen Scott, in fifteen years you will marry mom and she's clone of Jean, hi Jean, then you sent me to future and here I am" won't happen? Fuck this gay Earth.
>>79681724 >>79681755 Would Fox be willing to use the Shi'ar? Or the Brood? For a while they refused to even let fantastical elements like time travel or Giant robots. They're obsessed with grounding things. More importantly, they're obsessed with the humans vs mutants angle. If you do a story about the Shi'ar, you can't make a story about mutant conflicts as an alegory for real-world prejudice, it would just be superheroes in space fighting aliens.
>>79683615 >Name me some cool villains for Avengers They never really had any that were exclusive to them (Ultron always sucked), I'm not sure why you only start to worry now. These movies really aren't built on the strength of their villains.
I would be shocked if X7 isn't an adaption of X-Tinction Agenda instead of Dark Phoenix, it's got everything Fox could as for.
The Apartheid theme meshes well with the new cast's 80's theme, A lot of X-Men vs X-Men action can use Cable's original origin as a freedom fighter from the future and bring back Wolverine from wherever he is after DOFP.
and Cameron Hodge's Phalanx mode and Genosian army is unique enough to be memorable in a movie
>>79683610 >For a while they refused to even let fantastical elements like time travel or Giant robots. >They're obsessed with grounding things Tom Rothman has left Fox, he's shitting up Sony instead now, in the grand Avi Arad tradition.
>they're obsessed with the humans vs mutants angle To be fair that's the main thing that separates the X-Men from any other superheor group.
I think the main issue with the Shi'ar is their goofy design, it would get changed a whole lot for the movies to the point they'd be unrecognizable.
>>79683705 Zemo is more of a Cap villain. Enchantress is more of a Thor's villain. Executioner is literally who. MODOK could work, albeit he is too funny. Madame Hydra already appeared in Wolverine. Isn't Klaw reserved for BP movie?
The Leader is Hulk's enemy.
Celestials are not villains, and if even, they are more for Thor.
Dormammu is Dr Strange
Mephisto is Silver Surfer, but could work. However, a devil is too no-no for DisMarvel.
Kree/Chitari War Zodiac Collectors/Eternals/Those tier guys Master Pandemonium Kang also there are always OCs
but like the other guy said Avengers is more about the heroes interacting and bouncing off each other. Avengers just didn't have as good artists designing their villains (Kirby and Ditko for example, I mean shit how many Kirby creations did I name)
>>79683753 >Wonder Man being a villain would be ultra lame. It could work, just like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch started out as villains because of their hatred of Stark but switched sides by the end
>>79683753 >Mephisto is Silver Surfer He first showed up in Surfer, but it's clear Fox doesn't have the rights to him since he was the bad guy in Ghost Rider. And now the rights to Ghost Rider are back at Marvel.
>>79683705 I would add >Ares >Hades >Zodiac Cartel >Master Pandemonium >Surtur >Scientist Supreme of a more classic AIM >The Real Mandarin >The Beyonder >Warlord Kro and the Deviants >Attuma >Shuma-Gorath >Chthon >High Evolutionary >The Winter Guard (more rivals than enemies)
>>79683890 >someone who has a different opinion from me on a blockbuster action-comedy is in denial Man that's some impressive autism. I can't tell if you have a misplaced admiration for the source material that you'd think they'd make for deep and thrilling action movies, or if you simply don't watch that many movies outside of cape adaptations.
>>79683964 Why the fuck would Arcade be included with Ghost Rider? Have they ever even fought? If Arcade isn't at Fox or Marvel, he would be at Sony since he technically debuted in a Spider-Man book (Marvel Team-Up)
>>79684022 One thing that makes me sad, is the readership obviously regressed to the level of retard. Case in point, you are a fine example of average comic book reader 2016 A.D. in a natural habitat (internet)
>>79682661 Being petty as hell in legal disputes can very easily backfire. Judges don't really having to spend hours listening to arguments over why a lawsuit over a single line of dialogue not containing a trademarked phrase should be allowed to proceed. No lawyer is going to risk getting labeled a vexatious litigant and Disney isn't going to risk the bad publicity if people find out they're using lawyers to intentionally hold up and alter production.
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