Because things got popular which prevented other elements to expand. For example, Coulson was such a hit, so they brought him back, which started to overexpose him cause popularity. Currently, they are stuff with so many characters, but can't really go too far because everyone is clamoring for the same faces to appear.
Because everyone - the audience, the actors, even the writers and directors - is getting sick of so fucking many superhero movies. We literally have 5 movies and a 2nd season of Daredevil premiering within weeks of each other, and even though Civil War has been hyped for years people are still finding it hard to get excited for it because it's literally the exact same shit again and again. The MCU was bad enough, but now DC and even fucking Fox jumped on the shared universe idea, right as people are secretly wishing the MCU would die already because we're tired of hearing Robert Downey Jr quip every 2 minutes and seeing him play the same exact fucking character for a decade now.
Also, what >>79115261, >>79115380, >>79115424, and >>79115431 said. Disney watered everything down because they know that taking risks can potentially lose them a few million, so they choose to play it safe by appealing to the lowest common denominator.
>>79115424 The Coulson thing was different. His appeal was that he was basically this straight-laced, 1950s-style G-man who looked like an unassuming government office drone. Then AoS gave him a badass background and plays-by-his-own-rules superspy characterization and it completely torpedoed the appeal.
I am pretty critical, a hater even, of the MCU...but this is one complaint I hate seeing. Gods, angels, demons, etc...all pretty much are aliens. It's a childish way of looking at things to make a difference
Powerful beings that come from the another world in the heavens....yeah, same thing
>>79115661 Coulson's appeal was that he could have been a sea of guys exactly like him. Like, seeing Sitwell kind of enforced that. Then it turned out he was Fury's right hand, and that made him not special anymore. He was more interesting as just an agent, but then they turned him into THE agent.
Not to mention, Marvel (and others) memed their shit to hell. How many times was Schwarma brought up after the Avengers film? Or "Who?" and OOGA CHACKA brought up after GOTG? Hell, the fact that the comic writers based their GOTG knowledge off the film is pretty lousy.
>>79115680 If there was a vague debate, that wouldn't bother me. But the thing is, they had AA Guns in Asgard. They had space ships. They had a Force Field Generator. That really bugged me about Thor: the Dark World. Why do you still have all these classic sword and armor crap, when you got these high tech things? "It's a particle accelerator" scene for example. I mean, we have Viking ships in space in the comics. We have legit magic being used in the comics by the likes of the Enchantress and Loki. There even is Valhalla, the afterlife.
And that's why I strongly dislike Thor 2. It changed what should have been the fantasy series of the MCU into this Sci Fi series. I felt like I was watching Episode I when Thor tried to fly the space ship!
>>79115912 Not to mention, they stopped caring about continuity. >>Iron Man blows up all his suits in Iron Man 3. >>Has them again in Age of Ultron >>Clint and Tony retire in AoU >>Will be back for Civil War >>"In a few minutes, I'll know every dirty secret SHIELD has" >>Didn't find out about Hydra.
This is probably the only serious flaw these films have. That and caps pyjama outfit in Avengers.
Seriously though, they aren't terrible. There are 3, maybe 4, that present as good standalone films, but the rest aren't terrible!
Maybe it's just that we have a beter understanding of the Idea of an adaption than most other people, or maybe the kind of Comic book fan that winges and bitches about "Not muh"and "Awful films" are the same kind of people that make comic book fans look bad. That is Autistic babies with hygene and/or social issues who winge about EVERYTHING (but we'll get to that later).
I love comic books. No I haven't read issue #1 of Typeface, no I don't know the name of Peter Parker's clone's brother's dog or where he fits into the original secret wars.
What I do know is that ever since I was 6 years old I've enjoyed reading comic books. X-Men, Spider-Man, 2000 AD, The Avengers. I love to read them, they're fun! And seeing it all take place in live action on the big-screen? Wow! It's fun! It's awesome!
But no, not for "comic book fans". Bunch of damn sad sacks. MCU? Shit. Civil War? Shit. "Any given thing that happens regarding comics"? Shit.
For fuck's sake stop being petulant retarded man-children and appreciate the fact that you live in a time when you can see Captain America throw his mighty shield in high definition surround-sound 3D Imax glory.
Fuck you. Fuck your ungratefulness and FUCK YOU for being the reason people turn up their nose at the medium.
>>79117912 You have a skewed perspective. Why would you have to be "grateful" for entertainment you're paying for? I like MCU films personally, actually, I just like them except for the Thor ones and Iron Man past 2 but you don't have to like them just because you like the characters. Or just because it's "comicbooks" on the big screen.
>>79117912 Seeing the likes of Cap, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Black Panther, Antman, etc in live action, and in many cases perfectly cast. The MCU movies are flawed, but they do alot right and we never would have dared to even dream of such a thing happening before 2008.
>>79117912 I now need to be grateful as a consumer? I need to take what I get and like it? Marvel comics have been shit (save for a few runs/books) since the movies blew up. They introduce a simplified version of a character and people that watch those movies, if their interest is peaked when watching those movies, will want to read about that version of that character. Comics very rarely improve as a result of movies. But I should be grateful that I get to see Iron Man make a joke in live action, or that I get to see one of the worst events to ever grace comics get a movie.
>>79115232 Imagine writing a stream of consciousness novel. You'll probably start out without with a LOT of energy and creativity only to find yourself spent by the end of it all and desperately trying to find a way wrap things up.
Quips and generalized wackiness to mitigate the fact that normies can't take superheroes seriously, and at face value, combined with shitty, forgettable, villains, sparse characterization, and more of the same formula in each film. The writing in these movies makes Naruto look like high art.
>>79115232 It doesn't, it's just not amazing either.
Well, Guardians is, but the rest is just hype and nostalgia. People are shitting all over superhero films because Ant-Man was the best of a sorry bunch and it was mediocre at best; 2015 was the nadir for the genre.
Civil War should be good, Apocalypse and Dr. Strange probably won't suck. Deadpool has potential; Supes v Bats will probably disappoint. Who knows about Gambit or Suicide Squad?
>>79115773 >Not to mention, Marvel (and others) memed their shit to hell. How many times was Schwarma brought up after the Avengers film? Or "Who?" and OOGA CHACKA brought up after GOTG? Hell, the fact that the comic writers based their GOTG knowledge off the film is pretty lousy.
I can't disagree, but Marvel Comics and Marvel Films are almost independent these days and the major titles have been dreadful for decades.
It's unfair to condemn Gunn because Bendis is a fuck.
>>79115232 More importantly where can you find it online? I've been trying to watch some movies for some of the last few days but I've had no luck finding working links from my phone. He'll even through official means getting amazon prime i could only get access to GotG.
What's a good site to watch the marvel movies. Especially phase 2?
I think you're just speaking for yourself buddy. I'm fine with super hero movies. I'm not one of those people who think more than one of anything equals a million.
I just want super hero movies that don't shy away from being super hero movies, I don't want beating around the bush and cherry picking source material to the point where it's insulting sometimes. Or making fun on the audience for liking super heroes, which is what Iron Man 3 did.
Another answer to this question in OP is in this posts.
I think too many people have their hands on the MCU and are pulling it off in their own direction. Wanting to make their own films instead of something that fits into the films with others. Like how the Russo brothers killed SHIELD when there was a damn show about SHIELD going on at the same time. Or how IM3 completely ignored everything else. The Russos are better than Black but I feel both wanted to make their own SURPRISE TWISTS and weren't thinking long-term and connected.
We like to say things suck when they get popular, but don't go into WHY as much. WHY is because when something gets popular, it gets more money and attention and people who just want money and attention see copious amounts of it just sitting there for the taking. So they've got directors, writers, actors, etc... All lined up to get a shot at Marvel/Disney bucks and aren't really concerned with the artistic concept of super heroes, a shared universe, etc.
Basically I think Marvel needs to lean up and clean house.
>>79120953 >You are either shitposting, or you're a collosal contrarian faggot. Or I have taste The only good MCU films have been Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America 1+2, and Avengers. The rest suck.
And you're really saying you liked the Raimi films, both Fantastic Four movies, Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, and both Ghost Riders? Dude get real
I have some terms for this. It's the difference between a basic fan and an advanced fan. A basic fan is someone who's casual, someone who is familiar with the material and usually only the most, socially-acceptable presentation of the material (big Hollywood movie being the leading example). They like Captain America and have a Captain America shirt because they saw Avengers Age of Ultron and that's it. They like the guy with the shield. It's easier to please this guy. Just put the guy with the shield on the screen and he's happy! Kids are like this too.
An advanced fan is someone who's more invested. Someone who's read the original material if something has been adapted. Someone who goes pretty far to understand the things they enjoy. This person is way harder to please because they know more and expect more. However, the advanced fan is the reason why things get adapted. Their more loyal and long-term.
Things like the MCU started out for advanced fans and now is catering to basic fans more. This brings in greater short term gains but runs the risk of alienating the longer term fans who made your franchise popular in the first place. Without their passion, the basic fans attention span is flimsy and unreliable.
> But I should be grateful that I get to see Iron Man make a joke in live action, or that I get to see one of the worst events to ever grace comics get a movie.
This is a good example of basic vs advanced fan. The advanced fan, having actually read Civil War is aware of what a train wreck it was or that it's a good concept that had a bad execution, at least. The basic fan has only scene images on the Internet of Captain America and Iron Man fighting and thought it looked cool so they got on Marvel's social media and spamed CIVIL WAR!
>>79115232 After thinking it for some minutes, I think I have the proper reasons why the MCU isn't that really good. And it's because of 3 main issues:
>1.- Too many directors with too many changes of script. I mean, this is probably one of the main issues that even people who don't read comics have with the MCU's phase 2, as up until Captain America: The Winter Soldier, all the movies were basically the hero in question saving the world/universe while everyone else fucks off to somewhere else and don't notice when shit like the destruction of London in Thor: The Dark World happens. Basically what >>79116009
And it got worse in Age of Quiptron, but then again...
>2.- The second Avengers movie was directed by a complete idiot You might think that perhaps having someone like Whedon directing the movie was going to be at least a continuity-porn centric movie, but even he discards his own plots and ideas. Worse, he tried to basically do the same shit with Avengers to AoU, but he didn't thought that people would notice his trend for filming the (not-so-literally) same movie.
And finally, and the probably least important part of why the MCU seems to be sucking so much now is...
>3.- Villains that come and go Aside from Loki and Thanos, it seems like whoever hero they use, they have to fight the "Monster of the week". Name it Ronan, Yellowjacket, Ultron, The Not-Mandarin, Malekith, etc. All substance and no consequences, the villains only destroy something, but then they're defeated/killed and nobody gives a damn anymore.
Of course, you can also say that this is also an issue of bad writing in the scripts, but then again... plenty of directors think that making a movie with their name with it means "I can do whatever the fuck I want with this movie".
Thank god so far it seems that having the Russo brothers in charge hs fixed some of those issues, but there will definitely need to be some time to heal the wounds that reckless idiots have made to the MCU.
You can say of course that perhaps there's some truth in that, because you have to go and try to make the movie more popular (not even comicbooks can't stop doing that), but this is because you want something to succeed.
And this is why, even thought the MCU has had some lows, it also had his highs and ups. Basically, Iron Man 1, Captain America 1 (screw naysayers, I liked it), Avengers, TWS, GotG and Ant-Man could be considered for almost everyone as great, due to trying to go pander casuals, but also, to comic-dudes.
>>79121759 >GotG and Ant-Man could be considered for almost everyone as great, due to trying to go pander casuals, but also, to comic-dudes. No... The first ones you named, sure, not those ones, those are all awful
>>79121759 I think there's a distinction to be made between particular movies being 'not muh comics' or 'casualised', and movies being completely uninspired and failing to capture any of the magic of the source material. Unfortunately the vast majority of cape movies today follow the same rigid structure that every other blockbuster today seems to, in a very plot heavy approach that focuses on macguffins of some sort.
I think that that approach strips any of these adaptations of their character. So much time is spent on destroying/finding/using generic object X or person A or whichever other plot device that the characterisation and any attempt to say something, anything, is diluted. Now, it wouldn't be a problem if such macguffins were fresh and exciting like they were in the comics, or at least the original runs of the comics, but they are not.
Say what you will about DC's output thus far, but at the very least Man of Steel reveled in the sci fi of Krypton and the mythology behind Superman. In Marvel the we've had Asgard explained away to generic sci fi nonsense, the marvel behind Tony Stark's engineering that Iron Man captured so well is no more after so many CG effects for the sake of CG effects, and now even the climax to Avengers of actors swinging away at CG metal things is horribly overdone. As much as I loved Winter Soldier I'm skeptical that Infinity War will ever reach 1/10th of the biblical scale of Roy Thomas's cosmology in the comics.
>DCfags are sperglords who shit on everything that's not DC. >MARVELfags are bros who respect people for their opinions and don't start console wars. They watch movies to get entertained not to shitpost on an anonymous image board.
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