Why does this suck? Why did it start with such promise only to

>>79115232
Normies and casuals.

The start wasn't really that good either. It was just different so you were more receptive to it. Too much of anything is a bad thing.

Because things got popular which prevented other elements to expand. For example, Coulson was such a hit, so they brought him back, which started to overexpose him cause popularity. Currently, they are stuff with so many characters, but can't really go too far because everyone is clamoring for the same faces to appear.

>>79115232
>Why does this suck?

They can't do anything too weird or controversial like Marvel's comic books because they would risk not making one billion dollars at the box office. So every movie is generic and lame

>>79115431
>>Asgardians are aliens.
Fuck that.
Also, having to tie Thor to Earth for the second Thor film really killed all momentum it could have had.

Because everyone - the audience, the actors, even the writers and directors - is getting sick of so fucking many superhero movies. We literally have 5 movies and a 2nd season of Daredevil premiering within weeks of each other, and even though Civil War has been hyped for years people are still finding it hard to get excited for it because it's literally the exact same shit again and again. The MCU was bad enough, but now DC and even fucking Fox jumped on the shared universe idea, right as people are secretly wishing the MCU would die already because we're tired of hearing Robert Downey Jr quip every 2 minutes and seeing him play the same exact fucking character for a decade now.

Also, what >>79115261, >>79115380, >>79115424, and >>79115431 said. Disney watered everything down because they know that taking risks can potentially lose them a few million, so they choose to play it safe by appealing to the lowest common denominator.

>>79115424
The Coulson thing was different. His appeal was that he was basically this straight-laced, 1950s-style G-man who looked like an unassuming government office drone. Then AoS gave him a badass background and plays-by-his-own-rules superspy characterization and it completely torpedoed the appeal.

>>79115500
>>>Asgardians are aliens.
>Fuck that.

I am pretty critical, a hater even, of the MCU...but this is one complaint I hate seeing. Gods, angels, demons, etc...all pretty much are aliens. It's a childish way of looking at things to make a difference

Powerful beings that come from the another world in the heavens....yeah, same thing

>>79115661
Coulson's appeal was that he could have been a sea of guys exactly like him. Like, seeing Sitwell kind of enforced that. Then it turned out he was Fury's right hand, and that made him not special anymore. He was more interesting as just an agent, but then they turned him into THE agent.

Not to mention, Marvel (and others) memed their shit to hell. How many times was Schwarma brought up after the Avengers film? Or "Who?" and OOGA CHACKA brought up after GOTG? Hell, the fact that the comic writers based their GOTG knowledge off the film is pretty lousy.

Superheros have fallen. The time of Creatures/Monsters (practical effects, and compeling plots) is neigh.... That's my dream :c

All this mad in one thread makes me believe that they are doing something right.

>>79115680
If there was a vague debate, that wouldn't bother me. But the thing is, they had AA Guns in Asgard. They had space ships. They had a Force Field Generator. That really bugged me about Thor: the Dark World. Why do you still have all these classic sword and armor crap, when you got these high tech things? "It's a particle accelerator" scene for example.
I mean, we have Viking ships in space in the comics. We have legit magic being used in the comics by the likes of the Enchantress and Loki. There even is Valhalla, the afterlife.

And that's why I strongly dislike Thor 2. It changed what should have been the fantasy series of the MCU into this Sci Fi series. I felt like I was watching Episode I when Thor tried to fly the space ship!

Because they got comfortable and stopped evolving.

>>79115912
Not to mention, they stopped caring about continuity.
>>Iron Man blows up all his suits in Iron Man 3.
>>Has them again in Age of Ultron
>>Clint and Tony retire in AoU
>>Will be back for Civil War
>>"In a few minutes, I'll know every dirty secret SHIELD has"
>>Didn't find out about Hydra.

It just comes off as sloppy.

>>79115232
Should have made and effort to set it up that we live in this cosmic universe

instead of a this spy, espionage thriller

Black widow, Falcon, latveria was a mistake, hawkweye should just be support

basically they are trying their best to relate it to our reality

>>79116009
They make such a big deal about continuity in interviews and stuff but they only ever follow the broad strokes of previous movies.

Loki's staff being the mind gem is like the strongest connection between two films, and that's even kind of dumb

>>79115232

Why try when you can sell the Iron Man pattern to people over and over and over and make a shit ton of money in doing so.

File: horse-418-2[1].jpg (179KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

179KB, 1600x1200px

>>79115820
Neigh?

>>79115500
I'm fine with them being aliens but they have completely Depowered them.

I wish Thor would showcase more combat skills than just hammer smashing is Robert downy jr's salary taking to Much that they can't afford martial arts instructors?

>>79115561
>we

those billion dollars tell otherwise. Stop thinking your opinion matters and applies to everyone.

File: 1339075259082.png (112KB, 300x436px) Image search: [Google]

112KB, 300x436px

>>79116009

This is probably the only serious flaw these films have. That and caps pyjama outfit in Avengers.

Seriously though, they aren't terrible. There are 3, maybe 4, that present as good standalone films, but the rest aren't terrible!

Maybe it's just that we have a beter understanding of the Idea of an adaption than most other people, or maybe the kind of Comic book fan that winges and bitches about "Not muh"and "Awful films" are the same kind of people that make comic book fans look bad. That is Autistic babies with hygene and/or social issues who winge about EVERYTHING (but we'll get to that later).

I love comic books. No I haven't read issue #1 of Typeface, no I don't know the name of Peter Parker's clone's brother's dog or where he fits into the original secret wars.

What I do know is that ever since I was 6 years old I've enjoyed reading comic books. X-Men, Spider-Man, 2000 AD, The Avengers. I love to read them, they're fun! And seeing it all take place in live action on the big-screen? Wow! It's fun! It's awesome!

But no, not for "comic book fans". Bunch of damn sad sacks. MCU? Shit. Civil War? Shit. "Any given thing that happens regarding comics"? Shit.

For fuck's sake stop being petulant retarded man-children and appreciate the fact that you live in a time when you can see Captain America throw his mighty shield in high definition surround-sound 3D Imax glory.

Fuck you. Fuck your ungratefulness and FUCK YOU for being the reason people turn up their nose at the medium.

PS. I'm mad.

>>79117912

So mad I forgot how to spell.

>>79117912
You have a skewed perspective.
Why would you have to be "grateful" for entertainment you're paying for? I like MCU films personally, actually, I just like them except for the Thor ones and Iron Man past 2 but you don't have to like them just because you like the characters. Or just because it's "comicbooks" on the big screen.

Fuck you too.

File: Are-you-a-beer.jpg (56KB, 560x452px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 560x452px

>>79117912
I was once like you, anon. Then I realized that no one on /co/ even reads comics or watches the films and it's mostly just autists who make assumptions and get really fired up about it.

>>79117912
Seeing the likes of Cap, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Black Panther, Antman, etc in live action, and in many cases perfectly cast.
The MCU movies are flawed, but they do alot right and we never would have dared to even dream of such a thing happening before 2008.

The MCU is good

All the review sites say so

Stop being contrarian

>>79117912
Yeah they suck to most of us who are not even those hardcore comicbook fans you described

>>79118386
>antman
>scarlet witch

Ekkk

>>79118461
Bendis detected.

>>79117912
I now need to be grateful as a consumer? I need to take what I get and like it? Marvel comics have been shit (save for a few runs/books) since the movies blew up. They introduce a simplified version of a character and people that watch those movies, if their interest is peaked when watching those movies, will want to read about that version of that character. Comics very rarely improve as a result of movies. But I should be grateful that I get to see Iron Man make a joke in live action, or that I get to see one of the worst events to ever grace comics get a movie.

File: Truly Gay Detective.png (279KB, 900x300px) Image search: [Google]

279KB, 900x300px

>>79115232
Imagine writing a stream of consciousness novel. You'll probably start out without with a LOT of energy and creativity only to find yourself spent by the end of it all and desperately trying to find a way wrap things up.

>>79115892
>I felt like I was watching Episode I when Thor tried to fly the space ship!
You mean The Phaontom Menace?

>>79115848
>All this mad in one thread makes me believe that they are doing something right.
LOL eben yu mad bro?

I want to watch Hannah Montana instead of the MCU

>>79118258
This anon speaks the truth. Most people on co don't read comics, and that goes double for people who shit post

>>79118258
Damage control

The only way you'd be satisfied with the MCU is if you don't read comics...which none of their fans do

Because it's made to appeal to casuals.

Quips and generalized wackiness to mitigate the fact that normies can't take superheroes seriously, and at face value, combined with shitty, forgettable, villains, sparse characterization, and more of the same formula in each film. The writing in these movies makes Naruto look like high art.

>>79115261
Wow. Beaten to it on the first post.

I still mostly enjoy it, hype is harder, but when I do get a chance to see the films they are entertaining

>>79115232
It doesn't, it's just not amazing either.

Well, Guardians is, but the rest is just hype and nostalgia. People are shitting all over superhero films because Ant-Man was the best of a sorry bunch and it was mediocre at best; 2015 was the nadir for the genre.

Civil War should be good, Apocalypse and Dr. Strange probably won't suck. Deadpool has potential; Supes v Bats will probably disappoint. Who knows about Gambit or Suicide Squad?

>>79119883
>Well, Guardians is

You are a shit person

>>79119883
worst taste of the year

>>79115773
>Not to mention, Marvel (and others) memed their shit to hell. How many times was Schwarma brought up after the Avengers film? Or "Who?" and OOGA CHACKA brought up after GOTG? Hell, the fact that the comic writers based their GOTG knowledge off the film is pretty lousy.

I can't disagree, but Marvel Comics and Marvel Films are almost independent these days and the major titles have been dreadful for decades.

It's unfair to condemn Gunn because Bendis is a fuck.

File: 1255323276895.jpg (65KB, 354x444px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 354x444px

>>79119895
>>79119907

>>79119883
>Who knows about Gambit or Suicide Squad?
>Who knows
>Suicide Squad
>Joker and Harley the movie

How utterly delusional are you

>>79115232
What is taste?
Does it differ?
Is it subjective?

>>79120227
no

>>79115232
More importantly where can you find it online? I've been trying to watch some movies for some of the last few days but I've had no luck finding working links from my phone. He'll even through official means getting amazon prime i could only get access to GotG.

What's a good site to watch the marvel movies. Especially phase 2?

With each passing day, this board becomes less and less distinguishable in attitude from /tv/.

>>79120444
torrents? lmfao

>>79120011
thats like saying who knows about x-force just because fucking wolverine was in it

no one does

>>79120518
I'm saying because I'm watching from my phone

>>79117912
You contradict yourself in your own post.

>>79115232
as soon as they realized they was money to be made in this cinematic universe thing they came up with a fifteen year plan.

It hasn't 'ended up in such squander' because it's only like episode eight of a twenty six episode series

>it's an iron man episode

>>79116009
are you retarded or something?

>>79115500
>>79115892
That's right from Kirby though.

>ITT: It's popular, so it sucks

>>79120808
Plenty of reasons have been given WHY it sucks, from shitty villains to cliche stories to uninteresting heroes, fuck off shill

So far MCU is the only cinematic universe worth a damn.

>>79120847
You can only do so much within 2 hours

>>79120878
>no good super hero/action movies have ever been made

damage control

>>79120847
Like the comics then?

DCEU seems like a huge trainwreck since they're basing their whole universe on Man of 9/11 Imagery.

>>79115561

I think you're just speaking for yourself buddy. I'm fine with super hero movies. I'm not one of those people who think more than one of anything equals a million.

I just want super hero movies that don't shy away from being super hero movies, I don't want beating around the bush and cherry picking source material to the point where it's insulting sometimes. Or making fun on the audience for liking super heroes, which is what Iron Man 3 did.

>>79120847
I'm not saying they're masterpieces or anything, but dude, if you think yourself a comic book fan and you don't like comic book movies even if they're not great, you're just lying.

Only movies I couldn't enjoy were Thor 2, MoS ,ASM2 and F4.

You are either shitposting, or you're a collosal contrarian faggot.

>>79115232
Because it's now popular, OP.

>>79120988
Popular = Shit

The math doesn't lie.

File: 1252989669687.jpg (6KB, 144x140px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 144x140px

>>79116009
>>79116750
>>79115232

Another answer to this question in OP is in this posts.

I think too many people have their hands on the MCU and are pulling it off in their own direction. Wanting to make their own films instead of something that fits into the films with others. Like how the Russo brothers killed SHIELD when there was a damn show about SHIELD going on at the same time. Or how IM3 completely ignored everything else. The Russos are better than Black but I feel both wanted to make their own SURPRISE TWISTS and weren't thinking long-term and connected.

We like to say things suck when they get popular, but don't go into WHY as much. WHY is because when something gets popular, it gets more money and attention and people who just want money and attention see copious amounts of it just sitting there for the taking. So they've got directors, writers, actors, etc... All lined up to get a shot at Marvel/Disney bucks and aren't really concerned with the artistic concept of super heroes, a shared universe, etc.

Basically I think Marvel needs to lean up and clean house.

Because for some reason people think that just because these characters team up together = they're GOAT cape films.

Also the lack of themes are starting to irk me.

>>79120953
>You are either shitposting, or you're a collosal contrarian faggot.
Or I have taste
The only good MCU films have been Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America 1+2, and Avengers. The rest suck.

And you're really saying you liked the Raimi films, both Fantastic Four movies, Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, and both Ghost Riders? Dude get real

File: 1266546871932.jpg (68KB, 521x623px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 521x623px

>>79118258
>>79119582

I have some terms for this. It's the difference between a basic fan and an advanced fan. A basic fan is someone who's casual, someone who is familiar with the material and usually only the most, socially-acceptable presentation of the material (big Hollywood movie being the leading example). They like Captain America and have a Captain America shirt because they saw Avengers Age of Ultron and that's it. They like the guy with the shield. It's easier to please this guy. Just put the guy with the shield on the screen and he's happy! Kids are like this too.

An advanced fan is someone who's more invested. Someone who's read the original material if something has been adapted. Someone who goes pretty far to understand the things they enjoy. This person is way harder to please because they know more and expect more. However, the advanced fan is the reason why things get adapted. Their more loyal and long-term.

Things like the MCU started out for advanced fans and now is catering to basic fans more. This brings in greater short term gains but runs the risk of alienating the longer term fans who made your franchise popular in the first place. Without their passion, the basic fans attention span is flimsy and unreliable.

>>79115232
I don't think it's bad because it inherently can't be good. Feige just wants PG-13 quipfest with no such thing as alcoholism. Iron Man 2 was Demon in a Bottle.

So I divide MCU in two categories: wasted opportunity and not wasted opportunity.

Example of wasted opportunity: Thor movies. Iron Man 2 and 3.

Not wasted opportunity: Winter Soldier, Ant-man, Daredevil.

Hopefully things will get better after Whedon cut his penis. And hey, we're getting Doc Strange movie.

File: 1258695638680.png (13KB, 452x360px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 452x360px

>>79118706

> But I should be grateful that I get to see Iron Man make a joke in live action, or that I get to see one of the worst events to ever grace comics get a movie.

This is a good example of basic vs advanced fan. The advanced fan, having actually read Civil War is aware of what a train wreck it was or that it's a good concept that had a bad execution, at least. The basic fan has only scene images on the Internet of Captain America and Iron Man fighting and thought it looked cool so they got on Marvel's social media and spamed CIVIL WAR!

>>79121056
get off your high horse moron, you read cape comics, no your taste is not as patrician as you like to think.

>>79121158
Kek, you can have taste in anything...even scat porn, it's all relative to the medium you fucking dipshit.

They're bland as fuck.

Look at all the care and detail that goes on during production, even before that and somehow, it just goes to shit.

Yet they have no idea why they are failing either, AoU did worse than Avengers but what's their solution? Make Cap the next Avengers movie, MORE HEROES

It'll still get fucked up.

>>79121083
Yeah....so what you're saying is MCU is for casuals now. Pretty much.

>>79121184
cape comics are 99% shit and 1% good nigger.
i'm sure half of your favourite stuff is pure crap like final crisis or forever evil or something

>>79121223
Uh....

Yeah, that's all you get shill

At least MCU is better than Ultimate Universe.

>>79121260
yeah, that will show me.

>>79121302
Not really

>>79120471

What percentage of this board do you think posts on both? Cross posters are drag the shit in the door in when they go in and out.

The MCU is fine OP

What more can you expect from a gigantic green man a guy in a robot suit some god and a dude frozen from time


calm down

the execution is great and approriate for what it is

im guessing you are butt hurt about how shite the batman v superman movie looks?

and its not looking like that part of the franchice (the dccu) is going todo well

File: 1445763825008.jpg (74KB, 720x480px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 720x480px

>>79115232
After thinking it for some minutes, I think I have the proper reasons why the MCU isn't that really good.
And it's because of 3 main issues:

>1.- Too many directors with too many changes of script.
I mean, this is probably one of the main issues that even people who don't read comics have with the MCU's phase 2, as up until Captain America: The Winter Soldier, all the movies were basically the hero in question saving the world/universe while everyone else fucks off to somewhere else and don't notice when shit like the destruction of London in Thor: The Dark World happens. Basically what >>79116009

And it got worse in Age of Quiptron, but then again...

>2.- The second Avengers movie was directed by a complete idiot
You might think that perhaps having someone like Whedon directing the movie was going to be at least a continuity-porn centric movie, but even he discards his own plots and ideas. Worse, he tried to basically do the same shit with Avengers to AoU, but he didn't thought that people would notice his trend for filming the (not-so-literally) same movie.

And finally, and the probably least important part of why the MCU seems to be sucking so much now is...

>3.- Villains that come and go
Aside from Loki and Thanos, it seems like whoever hero they use, they have to fight the "Monster of the week". Name it Ronan, Yellowjacket, Ultron, The Not-Mandarin, Malekith, etc.
All substance and no consequences, the villains only destroy something, but then they're defeated/killed and nobody gives a damn anymore.

Of course, you can also say that this is also an issue of bad writing in the scripts, but then again... plenty of directors think that making a movie with their name with it means "I can do whatever the fuck I want with this movie".

Thank god so far it seems that having the Russo brothers in charge hs fixed some of those issues, but there will definitely need to be some time to heal the wounds that reckless idiots have made to the MCU.

>>79121504
No, it isn't fine. As Marvel fan since I was about 8 years old, it is not "fine"

>>79121558
All of these things are true as well as more, damage control fags will say they aren't.

File: 1432080287779.jpg (38KB, 720x395px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 720x395px

>>79121593
...then again, anon, things like >>79115561
>>79115500
>>79115424
>>79115773
>>79119672
Are complaints that are... pretty much childish, and basically scream "Not muh cape comicbooks" and "not muh continuity"

You can say of course that perhaps there's some truth in that, because you have to go and try to make the movie more popular (not even comicbooks can't stop doing that), but this is because you want something to succeed.

And this is why, even thought the MCU has had some lows, it also had his highs and ups.
Basically, Iron Man 1, Captain America 1 (screw naysayers, I liked it), Avengers, TWS, GotG and Ant-Man could be considered for almost everyone as great, due to trying to go pander casuals, but also, to comic-dudes.

the MCU is ridiculously successful so by the nature of this forum you guys have to hate it cuz "my mom and lil brother like it now so i have to hate it"

>>79121759
>GotG and Ant-Man could be considered for almost everyone as great, due to trying to go pander casuals, but also, to comic-dudes.
No...
The first ones you named, sure, not those ones, those are all awful

MCU haters are simply butthurt DC keks. Nothing to see here.

File: 1432760984353.png (211KB, 331x352px) Image search: [Google]

211KB, 331x352px

>>79122053
Nice damage control, Reddit

File: starlight_2014.png (274KB, 846x466px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 846x466px

>>79122201
MCU lovers are simply casuals and newfags, now get the fuck off my board you fucking queer.

>>79121759
I think there's a distinction to be made between particular movies being 'not muh comics' or 'casualised', and movies being completely uninspired and failing to capture any of the magic of the source material. Unfortunately the vast majority of cape movies today follow the same rigid structure that every other blockbuster today seems to, in a very plot heavy approach that focuses on macguffins of some sort.

I think that that approach strips any of these adaptations of their character. So much time is spent on destroying/finding/using generic object X or person A or whichever other plot device that the characterisation and any attempt to say something, anything, is diluted. Now, it wouldn't be a problem if such macguffins were fresh and exciting like they were in the comics, or at least the original runs of the comics, but they are not.

Say what you will about DC's output thus far, but at the very least Man of Steel reveled in the sci fi of Krypton and the mythology behind Superman. In Marvel the we've had Asgard explained away to generic sci fi nonsense, the marvel behind Tony Stark's engineering that Iron Man captured so well is no more after so many CG effects for the sake of CG effects, and now even the climax to Avengers of actors swinging away at CG metal things is horribly overdone. As much as I loved Winter Soldier I'm skeptical that Infinity War will ever reach 1/10th of the biblical scale of Roy Thomas's cosmology in the comics.

The MCU has its issues.

But you know what is kind of cool about it going on this long?

They're reaching out or B and C listers.

Do you know how cool it is for me as a fan of Ant-man (all of them) to be able to talk about him with my coworkers and random kids here and there.

And if you don't act like a massive sperglord when bringing up the comics they're usually receptive and ask a few questions.

I forget how it came up but the other day some kid was asking me about me about Spider-man and his limitations and I mentioned the mark of cain.

Blew the kid's mind

>>79122249
>But you know what is kind of cool about it going on this long?
>They're reaching out or B and C listers.

They were doing that from the very start...not by choice either. Their first villains were Iron Monger and Abomination....both c listers really

>>79121562
As a marvel fan since I was about 6 years old, it is fine.

>>79122571
As a Marvel fan who actually reads comics, it isn't

>>79122234
>my

Notice how plenty of people ITT are just talking about WHY they don't think the MCU is great...

Meanwhile everybody defending it is simple saying "YES IT IS " or "UR A DC FAN"

MCUdrones, the true cancer of /co/. Never read a comic in their life, migrated here from /tv/, and now feel like this is their own litter box

>>79122612
As a Marvel fan who actually reads comics, it is.

as a marvel fan who isn't a picky lil bitch, its fine

>>79122652
accusations are empty when you throw them around with reasoning.

"plenty of people" here are just projecting opinions

>DCfags are sperglords who shit on everything that's not DC.
>MARVELfags are bros who respect people for their opinions and don't start console wars. They watch movies to get entertained not to shitpost on an anonymous image board.

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>79122958
>everyone who hates the MCU is automatically a DCfag

This is why you are cancer. TRUE Marvel fans don't like these shit films. You're a poser, not a Marvelfag...get that through your thick skull

>>79123146
you just can't deny that this thread is just asspained dckeks shitposting.


you guys are so fucking obvious, you can't even troll anybody. pathetic.

>>79123399
I can because it's my thread, and I don't read DC comics.

>>79123399
100% butthurt

>>79127228
What's so funny, laughing boy

>>79121007
Congratulations on not taking the shit bait everyone

>>79129116
>>79129116
Thanks