What went right?

>>79086333
>nightwing/robin
>spy who uses guns

I don't see how /co/ could support this shite.

Good writers.

>>79086333
... Why is he saying that?

Is it me or does it look like he traced over a 3d model?

>>79086435

He's asking if he's straight. As in 'is he good'. As in ' Does he look good?'

>>79086420
This

The entire concept of Dick going undercover would've been butchered by less competent writers.
At least SeeKing are above making Dick kill since they said that drama would be way too easy. Lesser writers would've done it. Probably more than once.

>>79086406
Tumblr please go and stay gone.

>>79086333
Tom King writing
Not being afraid to be goofy/campy sometimes
not spelling everything out for you
having faith that readers can understand an follow the book's plots and stories
taking a chance by stepping outside of big-name, big-baddie, capshit and instead doing a lowkey spy book

Last but not least:

Sexy ass Dick

Based Doyle.

They finally figured out something for Dick to do other then Poor Man's Daredevil.

I remember someone on /co/ making the point that Dick has had hundreds of issues and multiple volumes dedicated to his solo comic but they still never gave him an interesting rogues' gallery, support team or iconic runs. That's almost impressive mediocrity.

Grayson is memorable at least.

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>>79086406
TRIGGER WARNING

>>79086554
>I remember someone on /co/ making the point that Dick has had hundreds of issues and multiple volumes dedicated to his solo comic but they still never gave him an interesting rogues' gallery, support team or iconic runs. That's almost impressive mediocrity.

You know, I had never thought of it before, but that's pretty accurate. Even in the big Bat crossovers his issues were pretty blah.

That said, his time as Dickbats was good.

>>79086435
>Is my tie straight?
but with wordplay

>>79086522
> Dan Didio one day deciding that Nightwing should be DC's Winter Soldier, and use guns. And for the tagline to be "You don't know Dick"
> Mike Marts putting his friend Tim Seeley on the title
> Tim Seeley deciding that not to make a Winter Soldier clone, and letting it be more fun. And to incorporate Morrison lore
> Mark Doyle taking over, not realizing that Seeley was on the title, and accidentally putting a second writer on it
> Second writer just happens to be Tom King, someone completely new, but has CIA experience and Batlore knowledge
> Geoff Johns dropping his Nightwing subplot in Forever Evil, and leaving him tied up in a chair, and "killing" him

It's like every broken clock in the world was right at the same time

>>79086544
Why can't he clone himself and be an editor for all DC books?

>>79086665
Did they actually accidentally put two writers on the title? I've never heard that story

>>79086641

I'm not saying Dick hasn't been great in other comics. Dickbats was good, his time on the Titans was great.

But until Grayson his solo comic has always been mediocre. It's just cut-rate Daredevil without the similar quality of Rogues' gallery. All those Bludhaven gangsters were garbage and always have been.

>>79086594
>Elisabeth Netz writes a Warhammer 40k fanfic

>>79086641
>>79086554
He had a few assassin villains from the Nightwing runs that could fit into Grayson.

>>79086727
Yes
Both writers said they had to put any ego aside for the character

>>79086729
Blockbuster is literally a discount Kingpin and half of the rogues Dixon made were assassins.

>>79086522
/co/ overlooks him a lot now, but Seeley is definitely a part of the magic. He brings in a lot of the fun shit like Midnighter and Morrison's toys. King's pitch was too dark, I hear.

>>79086812
looking at Vision, I can believe it

>>79086513
Hey stupid, there is literally nothing wrong with tumblr, fuck off back to /pol/

>>79086812
Yeah they used Seeley's pitch

And King and Seeley apparently have to keep reminding King about getting too dark and sad on accident

>At this point, I’ve actually written two full of issues of Grayson that I ended up throwing in the trash bin: the first drafts to issues nine and 12. In both cases, I started writing introspective, sad sack Dick Grayson who was doing all sorts of “heavy are the pants that carry this ass” BS. I love that kind of stuff. I love when Daredevil does it and Batman does it and Spider-Man does it; but when Dick Grayson does it, it just plain doesn’t work.

>Dick Grayson is a fun character and his book needs to be fun. That’s not to say his life isn’t full of tragedy and drama. It is. Largely. But it’s Dick’s reaction to this tragedy and drama, his ability to continue to embrace humor and hope in spite of the shadows that embrace him that are part of who he is, part of his place in the DCU.

>>79086727
Yes, they were hired separately by two different editors

>>79086809

>Blockbuster is literally a discount Kingpin

I always thought of him as a mix of Kingpin and Tombstone.

>>79086809
Fantastic.

>>79086812
King said in interviews that he has a tendency to write dark and sad stuff and that it wouldn't be in character for Dick. He said Seeley is the one that keeps him reigned from going full "my parents are deaad and life is terrible".

It makes sense since all his other stuff is definitely dark and Grayson is his funniest, most lighthearthed book.

>>79086812
>King's pitch was too dark
He's seen some shit.

>>79086892
>It makes sense since all his other stuff is definitely dark and Grayson is his funniest, most lighthearthed book.
Yeah looking at Vision and Omega Men I can see that

His GL one shot was comparatively light (well, as light as a book where half of it features a sad kid crying about his dead dad can be), maybe that's because he thinks Hal is fun like Dick

>Seeley and King were a complete accident
Where would we be without this team

>>79086948
I probably wouldn't have gotten back into comics.

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>>79086857
>“heavy are the pants that carry this ass”

>>79086892
Dick's life is pretty terrible right now tho

>>79086554
I read all 100+ issues of Nightwing and I can honestly barely remember anything that happened in it. Most of it wasn't awful, just unenduring, and the writers had a habit of scorching the earth and rebuilding rather than building on top of the previous run. Has anything survived from Dick's Nightwing era?

>>79087061
Uhhhh I think Daniel may have referenced Tomasi Nightwing in the Two Face since Tomasi also did Two Face. And his relationship with Barbara in general?
Morrison had Dick reference Slade blowing up Bludhaven and killing people.
I think that's about it?

Nothing from it appeared with Dick after the reboot though.

>>79087061
Dixon tried to make Bruce Dick's dad so bad and there are some writers who still don't see them as that, like Morrison.

>>79086965
I probably wouldn't have gotten into DC actually. Started reading comics 2 years ago and been a full Marvelfag till Grayson.

I was disappointed in the current Marvel stuff and thought Grayson looked interesting. Liked it a lot, then read Midnighter and loved it too. After that I read everything from DCYou and now I'm disappointed I didn't start reading DC sooner. So thanks Grayson.

>>79086594
Tumblr is having a screaming fit about this cover. I'm hardly a fan of JRJR, but they think this is what the book is actually about because most of them don't read comics.

>>79087136
of all the things, why did dickbabs live.

>>79087230
Because they got retconned into having been a Batgirl and Robin for 5ever with each other instead of Barbara showing up when Dick was in college. Also she, Selina, and Helena were basically the only older female bat characters of any note and still are.

>>79087212
It doesn't help that most of the other covers aren't as over-the-top

>>79087061
Dick and Tim being bros carried over a lot

>>79087277
> only older female bat characters
> all are now Dick's age

>>79086333
Yeah, I like Archer too.

>>79087346
It's also a variant cover, so it's not like it matters.

I'm pretty sure the ones complaining about it don't even know what a variant is though.

>>79086333
FUCK YEAH SEEKING basically...

>>79086333
More like everything went wrong, but somehow lined up perfectly by accident

>>79087366
>Dick and Tim being bros carried over a lot
It didn't survive the reboot. :^(

>>79086333

They finally got him out from under the shadow of the Bat. I hope Nightwing never returns

>>79087591
Dick dodged a bullet there

>>79087591
Eh, Tim and Dick bantering for a few pages that Seeley wrote is still more convincing than all the "dur hur you're liek my brotha let's fist bump" that Lobdell wrote

>>79087595
This.

>>79087652
>a couple of pages in Grayson
>a couple of pages in Gotham Academy where he talks how great Dick was

The only times when Tim was decent post-Flashpoint is when he's propping up Dick

>>79087366
Dick and Tim being bros is from the core Batman comics as much as Nightwing. So is Dixon's Dick/Babs shipping, really. The entire Bludhaven era was literally nuked and forgotten.

>>79087595
It's funny how a direction nobody wanted could do a better job at that than Nightwing and leading a team DC doesn't really care about.
Kinda interested in that thing Johns/Snyder/King are planning and if Dick has anything to do with it.

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>>79087595
Nightwing returning is inevitable. I hope SeeKing write the transition and lay down a solid foundation that keeps the same tone.

>>79087709
I don't think so. I think the core Batman comics were pushing Dick/Helena. Especially Rucka's stuff near the end of No Man's Land

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this is really worth reading?

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I love Dick.

I wish all bird boys got equally good writers and stories, specially Tim now that he's got an amazing costume

>>79087768
The Helena stuff stopped as suddenly as it started
Later Dick/Barbara was in Batman, Tec, Robin, Gotham Knights, etc. very widespread.

>>79087811
It was Dixon's run that started it, even though the Dick/Helena mini happened right around when Dixon was sowing the seeds for it. And then Devin Grayson just made Babs into a cuck

>>79087790
God, yes.
It's funny, the action is good, the plot is great, it served as a springboard for Midnighter.
And don't forget to read the Future's End tie-in, it's King's debut.

>>79087709
Is there anything that people liked from the Bludhaven era? I liked him as a cop, though not enough that I care whether it comes back. I think I liked Amy and Dick, which has some similarities to Helena and Dick right now.

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>>79087797
>specially Tim now that he's got an amazing costume

I agree

>>79087857
That was really funny though
Dixon was carefully trying to put Dick together with Barbara nice and slowly, but Devin had Dick and Helena fuck two issues into the mini after a couple character moments

>>79087797
Robin: SoB is pretty good.

>>79087885
People generally call Dixon the pinnacle of solo Dick so yeah people like it.
I personally was bored by most of it. Though making him into a cop was the more creative things Dixon did.

>>79087893
I like the ongoing, but it amuses me to no end that that's what it took to make Tim relevant.

>>79086729

That's why all the hate by fanboys for Didio wanting to kill Dick in Infinite Crisis because he saw Dick as entirely redundant character is always a bit hilarious.

>>79087961
He's still not relevant though

>>79087885
It was a good read, honestly. Derivative yeah, but still entertaining. It had good character interactions.

Tomasi's run was basically a better and compressed version of it, but with a better Bruce. Dick moves to a new city, gets a job, gets a girl, flirts with Babs, bros it up with Tim, etc.

>>79087996
Because Dan was right?

>>79088025
except he wasn't, considering that Geoff Johns and Mark Waid protested over him

>>79086406
Same Anon

/co/ has some serious pleb taste at time.

>>79088083
And?

>>79088083

Dan was half right, just wrong about the cure. Dick literally had nothing going for him, other than people just buying his book out of habit at the time of Infinite Crisis. It wasn't until Grant decided to turn him into Batman that he started to have his current Renaissance period and even there you had the Nightwing relaunch that didn't really work.

>>79087897
And Dick called Babs the morning after to freak out about it.

>>79087996
I never got the panic then and during Forever Evil. It's not like he wouldn't come back.

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>>79087897
Devin Grayson also gave us this

>>79088219
>they never dated

Fuck

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>>79088002
This.

Damian and Jason are still more relevant than Tim, which is a shame cause I think he has some unique elements to him that make him stand out

>>79086554
Lady Vic was pretty cool. You'll notice she still shows up now and again.
Blockbuster was a Kingpin ripoff, but he was a fun Kingpin ripoff (at the start, anyways). They could have brought Rolly into the New 52.
Tarantula could have worked as a twist on the femme fatale. She's remembered in the Batfan circles and should have been reintroduced in Nightwing/Grayson instead of Green Arrow.


But yeah, I guess that's it. Blame Chuck Dixon.

>>79088281
Same with Dick and Power Girl

>>79088792
Catalina was in Green Arrow? She's only remembered for raping Dick, so that's not a great credit to the Nightwing franchise.

>>79087811
Not true. Rucka used it during NML. He's fighting with Barbara over something so he hooks up with Huntress at New Years.

>>79087885
>I liked him as a cop, though not enough that I care whether it comes back.

That's the problem with the run. It was always "Dick Grayson as a cop," not "Dick Grayson IS a cop."
It never felt permanent, it never felt like something meant to stick long-term, and never really gave him anything to take away as a character after it ended. Even after Dick gets his secret identity back, he'll still have his Spyral/Owls/DCSpyOrg contacts. This is something they can keep running with for years to come, and doesn't need to fold back up into a larger Bruce-centric story.

>>79089047
>Even after Dick gets his secret identity back, he'll still have his Spyral/Owls/DCSpyOrg contacts.
Unless the next writer blows it all up.

>>79086333
I thought this was that James Bond comic book

What ever happened to that James Bond comic book?

>>79088947
Doctor Arthur Light was in Justice League. Talia is still in Batman.

>>79089151
Maybe. Maybe not.
SeeKing has used Spyral, Court of Owls, Professor Pyg and the Circus of the Strange. The only thing missing is Sonia Zucco. Something is bound to stick.

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>>79086554
Nightwing's rogues gallery:
>After having an early battle with Robin, Mouse later joined a team of villains, which included Catwoman, to steal millions of dollars. Here she met her future partner in crime, another computer hacking expert named Giz. Mouse and Giz were later hired by Blockbuster to track Oracle's location through the computer systems. They succeeded but Black Canary managed to save Barbara from Blockbuster's thugs.

>Mouse and Giz were then hired to blow up Dick Grayson's apartment building, which killed dozens of tenants. A deeply angered Nightwing let them go after they claimed they thought the building was supposed to be empty.

She's like his Catwoman, I guess. Because cats eat mice and bats eat nightwings.

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>>79089286
>Double Dare
They were sexy underage acrobats who wanted to fuck Dick. SeeKing could possibly do something fun with them.

>>79089195
They're remembered for other things than the rape.

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>>79089326
>Lady Vic or "Lady Victim" is the sobriquet of Lady Elaine Marshe-Morton, one of a long and distinguished lines of British mercenaries extending back to her family's Norman roots. Aided and abetted by valet Bivens and an arsenal of exotic weapons, all relics of her ancestors' military excursions, Lady Vic operates as a hired killer to prevent foreclosure on her family estate

I think she was in New 52 Batwing.

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>>79089351
>Nite-Wing
Let's forget this ever happened.

>>79087893
Wtf did they do to McGinnis now?

what was all the hullabaloo about some rape scene or inappropriate touching or something that tumblr argues happened to dick?

i was only half following it but kinda more curious now... i read the issue and it was like... uncomfortable i guess but nothing nearly as bad as the rants i read on it

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>>79089364
>Shrike harbors a long-standing enmity for Dick Grayson dating back to their youth, when the two shared a friendship that was in many ways doomed from its inception.

I have read several comics the featured this character but I didn't remember anything except the name.

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>>79089421
>Brutale
This guy made it to the New 52 and was on Arrow, which makes him the most lasting legacy of Dixon's Nightwing.

>>79089402
Some tumblr teenies overidentify with Dick Grayson.

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>>79089466
Sylph, with the power to tie Dick up with strips of colorful fabric, unarguably the best Nightwing villain.

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>>79087893
Don't.

>>79089164

It's still coming out, and it's alright as a comic. Apparently the tech theme of this Warren Ellis comic is artificial limbs, so I'm half expecting Dr. No make some kind of an appearance at any given moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCBMGKc78qI

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>>79089516
>Dudley Soames was once a crooked cop, working for Blockbuster. When Nightwing arrived in Blüdhaven to attempt to save the city, Soames acted as an informant for him. When Blockbuster discovered this, he twisted Soames' neck a full 180 degrees in an attempt to kill him. However, when police arrived on the scene, they discovered he was still alive.

This is hilarious.

>>79089552

Hey now, I actually liked Dudley. He was an interesting character as far as silly gimmicks went, until he just out of nowhere died, iirc. I think a building fell on him or something.

>>79086333
Certainly not the art.

>>79087750
Did people thing him returning to Robin was inevitable when he first became Nightwing?

>>79090628
He can't be part of the bat family as grayson

>>79090628
I don't know, but status quo was still a little malleable back then, and making Dick a spy and not a superhero is different from just changing his name.

>>79086665
>Dan Didio one day deciding that Nightwing should be DC's Winter Soldier,
That never happened. Dick was originally planned to be in just another Nightwing book written by Tynion. Then Doyle was hired as the new Batman editor and decided to make some changes so they quickly had a few writers pitch basically Dick as a spy. Didio didn't do shit outside of coming up with that dumb tagline after they sent out pitches for a spy book.

The spy book mainly happened because they wanted to get Dick out of the Batman books as no one really wanted to deal with the consequences of Dick having his entire identity exposed to the world in FE, especially while Endgame was going on.

>>79089552
Holy assfucking Moses, I forgot all about Torque.

>>79090733
Doyle got Grayson after it was already pitched. Marts had put Seeley on the title, and Doyle didn't know that when he recruited King

>>79090628

There are still people who think Dick is the one true Robin and they should make him be Bruce's sidekick again.

>>79090831
Really? How can they not see what an awful idea it is?

>>79090955

Because muh nostalgia. You know how comics fans are, Dick was Robin when they were kids, and everything needs to remain like that because that's what we are nostalgic about and it's entirely rose tinted reflection.

>>79091019
>Dick was Robin when they were kids

They'd have to be atleast 45 years old for that.
Though there are people who think Dick should go back to being a generic Nightwing.

>>79091053
Alex Ross?

>>79090831
I do think he's still the best partner for Bruce. I love Damian but him and Bruce is just Batman and smaller Batman. Jason, same problem. Tim is bland.

>>79091053
More people watch cartoons as kids than read comics. That's why Barbara remained the iconic Batgirl. Dick is Robin in all the cartoons, but he usually becomes Nightwing.

>>79091187
Nah. Don't forget when Dick was Robin he also was extremely bland.
The best Batman-Robin combinations were Bruce-Tim and Dick-Damian.
I would have liked having both the pairings active, but I'm not sure it would have been a good idea

>>79091208
>but he usually becomes Nightwing.

That's a very recent thing. If people see a Robin, they instinctively assume it's Dick, even when it's Tim, because Nightwing is not yet that iconic in general population's mind.

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>>79086836

It cribs on a lot of Morrison ideas. Not saying that to slander it, either, it just does.

>>79091053

People who want Dick back as Nightwing, I would assume, are New Teen Titans fans and people who only very recently got into comics.

And I think you're underestimating how much the Schumacher films, the first two seasons of BTAS and Adam West has influenced people in the past twenty years. That is what most people think when you as them about the basics of Batman, shit that is a weird amalgamation of the three. And now it's the Arkham games that are putting their five cents on the table.

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>>79086594
Is that Romita Jr art?
God I hate it. His shading triggers some deep primordial part of my brain.

>>79086333
Phrasing.
Also when did Dick become Archer?

>>79086836
Now you know dat thing u jus said aint right

>>79086594
Does JRJR have arthritis or macular degeneration or something?

>>79091381
Buckley was a hack

>>79086860
wow, if these were two completely different writers I doubt that it would have ended this well (Probably would have gone something more like "Hurr DC incompetence" "Hurr they don't me the respect they deserve") Surprised that TheOuthousers or BleedingCool didn't crucify DC for this.

>>79089377
he's dead, but it doesn't matter since it isn't DCAU McGinnis (AKA The one that actually matters)

>>79091927
Probably because they were announced as cowriters, Seeley wasn't announced first and then King came or anything

I don't think anybody really knew until they said it themselves

>>79086836
Surely /co/ and Tumblr make a good match. Tumblr may take it too far and in the wrong directions, but /co/ is among if not the most progressive board. Not to mention, this is a Dick thread and Tumblr is teeming with shipper-faggotry and gay porn.

>>79087379
Barbara.

Barbara!

BARBARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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>>79087595
>>79087750


To be honest, the only things that I miss from Nightwing:

The costume - that I always thought was simple but great. Pic for example, that is the concept of a Nightwing tv show, could be a spy suit with feel alterations and removing the mask.

and

The name - that I find really cool and symbolic.

For me, it would be perfect if he used a spy costume inspired by Nightwing, with the blue and black scheme, for speciphic kinds of missions, and maybe used "Nightwing" as one of many codenames.

Seems to be a simple way to compromise spy Dick and Nightwing for me.

>>79093480
>Reminder that Nightwing will NEVER EVER get his own cartoon

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>>79086333
DC's incompetence during Forever Evil allowed someone to make lemonade out of DC outing Nightwing
I still think Johns wanted to kill Dick but got stopped by someone only reason I can see the bat office thinking Dick was dead

In any case King,Seeley,and Orlando are doing some good work within the black ops world of the DCU

>>79086554
That's because Chuck Dixon was a plague on the batman line
I've never seen a writer spend so much time on a line of comics and never do any good.

Nightwing could have been way better

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>>79093525
Oh, this would be their version of Raven.

The character design is from the same people who worked on Korra.

Tom King is an amazing writer
I read Sheriff of Babylon and its amazing to see someone get a shot at DC
If they want to give someone a shot at GL he should be the man
or better yet get to write WW or Flash

>>79093628
He wrote EVERY SINGLE BATBOOK. I can't think of another writer who had such an iron grip on a franchise. When Geoff Johns was on Green Lantern there were other guys writing Green Lantern Corps. What's even the point of publishing Batman and Tec if the same guy writes both?

>>79093707
I'd like to see Johns on WW, personally. He's done every other one of the big 6.

>>79086406

>doesn't know that the first thing grayson does with a gun is throw it like an escrima stick

pls

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Poor Jason, he just doesn't have the same luck of Dick. I think he's a little envious.

>>79093901
I feel like this can make a "Goofus and Gallant" web strip

"Dick mentors Damian to make him a better person. Jason attacks Damian, and gets his face smashed into the ground.

"Don't be a Jason. Be a Dick."

>>79093608

What the hell, Alfred?

...really wish Season 2 would hurry up and finish. I prefer to bingewatch, but this season of Gotham looks good.

>>79093608
Dick pretending to be dead was in the original pitch Didio had for Serley.
Johns just ran out of room for plots and since Dick is not a villain, his was one of the first cut. Johns had an Orm thing he wanted but couldn't get to that either.

>>79093608
Johns never wanted to kill Dick. It was pretty clear that he had a subplot in mind between Dick and Owlman that he never got to write.

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>>79094813
The Batfamily members in general are perfect for short "slice of life" comics/webcomics, since you can fully play their personality and relationships without having to deal with plot or action

>>79092228
This is more of a Grayson thread though and Dickfags there don't like Grayson

>>79090831
>>79090955
If DC had any balls they would have deaged Dick the same amount they did Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.

>>79095618
Fuck off, shotafag.

>>79095618
They did, he's like 21 now.

>>79095745
>The Boy Wonder
>He's always portayed in his mid-to-late 60s for fear of pedoclaims
Thanks Australia

>>79093708
Massive crossovers spanning every batbook of course!

>>79096205
Trying to read any story arc from that era is hell.

Part one is an issue of Batman, part two is an issue of Nightwing, part three is in Robin, part four is in Detective, part five is another issue of Batman, part six is Catwoman, part seven is Azrael or some shit.

>>79086978
Who is this gay batman?

>>79093628
Chuck wrote plenty of good Bat comics but it was pretty clear that he was stretched pretty thin at times, so all effort went on stuff line Robin and not Nightwing where he just wrote B-list DD stories

>>79096689
>good
Eh, decent, sure. Good? I wouldn't go that far.

>>79096636
only way to write something as big as No Man's Land or Cataclysm. Had some great family synergy but it did suck when storylines were interrupted

>>79092228
The thing about tumblr (as far as I understand, I only use it for porn) is that it is really broad. There are apparently whole communities of edgy angry 15 year old girls with brightly coloured hair who hate everything we love and are on some moral crusade, but most people who use it probably don't even ENCOUNTER them, let alone agree with them. It's mostly just for uploading and sharing images, some of them being drawn porn and gay things, nothing wrong with that.

>>79096689
Where is Dixon these days? Is he still writing comics?

>>79095808
Superman is like, 28. Wonder Woman is 23ish. So is Catwoman.
Following that logic, Dick should be 15.

>>79096794
he was writing winter world for IDW last I heard

>>79096679
Midnighter

>>79096679

Midnighter. His book is good too.

>>79096790
just like 4chan

>>79097155
Not really, on 4chan the images are small thumbnails attached to the real attraction, the messages, and you are instantly lambasted and vilified if you don't fit in while posting on ANY BOARD other than the imagedump ones. And often even on those two. It's a tight knit community.

>>79086406
Well all they care about is the objectification, soooo...

They don't really care for Dick's character.

>>79086554

I mean, there was that part where Deathstroke blew up Bludhaven.

>>79095005

>Season 2 of Gotham
>"good"

Season one was mediocre at best (stand-outs being Bullock and Alfred), season two is a car crash in slow motion. Worst cape show on television.

Tom King mostly

>>79098324

>Contrarianism
>"good"

Being a hipster is tolerable at best (stand-outs /mu/ and /fa/), disliking things because they're popular is a car crash in slow motion. Worse cape-poster than /tv/ - Television and Film

>>79086665
>Mark Doyle taking over, not realizing that Seeley was on the title, and accidentally putting a second writer on it

holy shit

>>79087595
I don't mind if Nightwing comes back, but I think they need this creative team to do it and stay on the book for a while afterward, like another 30+ issues.

>>79093731
Now that Johns has actually read WW I wouldn't mind that.

Can they get Nicola Scott back on art or is she just doing indies these days? Saw she had a book with Rucka a while ago but I don't know if it's done or not.

>>79087797
The red nightwing costume can fuck right off

>>79098732
>Saw she had a book with Rucka a while ago but I don't know if it's done or not.
Black Magick is still coming out

>>79093653
Wow those are some terrible designs
Raven doesn't really work just in civvies, her normal attire should always be insane wizard bullshit
Also: muh fingerstripes

>>79098739
>hating fun

>>79099340
>ugly is fun now

no

>>79098404
You mean /tv/ - Shitposting and Pedophilia
>>79099340
Enforcing some color scheme bullshit is hating fun?

>>79098404

Not the guy who you're responding too, but I can't help but agree with Gotham being terrible. Bruce is 10-12 years old while all his future enemies (Riddler, Cobblepot, etc. are all about 20 years older than him. By the time he becomes Batman, he will be putting these guys in nursing facilities not Arkham

>>79099410
You put your parents in a nursing home when they turned 50?

Penguin and Riddler aren't physical threats. By the time Baby Bruce is Batman, Penguin will actually look like comics Penguin.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, because it's an alternate universe centered around Gordon.

>>79099813
>it's an alternate universe centered around Gordon.

A lot of people can't get over the adaptions vs elseworlds hump. I don't watch Gotham but generally embracing the mindset has improved my enjoyment of things. I still "not muh x" with some things but that's mostly due to execution rather than purely because they're different.

>>79099410
>By the time he becomes Batman, he will be putting these guys in nursing facilities not Arkham

Who fucking cares, the show isn't ever going to reach that point so it's pure autism to whine about it. It's an Elseworlds type of deal.

>>79093653
Looks like Rey Yanami,

>>79098732
Black Magick is only on issue 4 or something and I think Nicola Scott said she doesn't want to work on WW since she doesn't like what they did with the amazons.

>>79096794

Rumored to have been blacklisted by DC and Marvel.

>>79102553
Whoa. Why?

>>79102629
Dixon claims that he was ousted due to his politics.

>>79086406
>uses guns
Nigga, he never uses his gun. That's the point. I can't believe no one has attacked you hard enough to get you to leave /co/ yet.

>>79086333
A lot of people have been answering this question with very valid answers. So to summarize all that:
>A Dick Grayson book
>about Dick being Dick in a book all about Dick
>a book that challenges the readers to get to know the real Dick
>a book that challenges Dick to get to know himself

What more could you need? Sure, the sexiness, the colourfullness, the lore and references and all that, they're all great and help to make Grayson one of the best comics out there right now, but even without all that, this book would still be fantastic. Because it would be a Dick book. A good one.

>>79088284
>cause I think he has some unique elements to him that make him stand out
What are they? Because the "he's smart" and "he's a detective" that current writers are pushing aren't it.

>>79104120
Remember that time when Ra's Al Ghul called him "detective"? That was so epic! Ra's doesn't call anyone else "detective"! Except for Batman! And Dick!

>>79104187
It's sad when people completely forget that Dick was called Detective once, too.

>>79104209
Another thing that can be blamed on Dixon. He was focused on pushing Tim's detective skills, so in order to make Dick feel different he focused more on acrobatics.

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>>79104187
Someone once mentioned in an old thread that Ra's called Dick "detective" in Tomasi's arc so I went looking. Is this the right page?

>>79104460
I still find it funny how hard Dixon really pushed that. Had to make Dick say how much better Tim was at least half a dozen times. At least he managed to make Tim not a complete idiot so it wasn't in vain.

Huh. No solicits from DC today. I guess nothing on Grayson #19 today, then.

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>>79104040
>That's the point. I can't believe no one has attacked you hard enough to get you to leave /co/ yet.

Shooting targets at a shooting range IS using your gun, you fucking idiot. Maybe that's why I haven't been attacked hard enough.

>>79105565
He also popped a cap in a nigga in the latest issue of Starfire

>>79106258
He does a lot of amoral things in other books.
Like the time he ripped someone's teeth out.

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>>79106258
Welp, that settles it.

I guess this idiot's>>79104040 eating his words.

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>>79107172
I thought we were talking about Grayson? Not OOC guest appearances?

>>79105565
You got me there, senpai. Dick did use a flashbang thing in #2, he did shoot at the range, and he did shoot Paragon.

So, to recap:
>Dick was fighting a speedster cannibal, and decided to scare her by using his gun
>He shoots at a shooting range because he's being forced to. He also pretends to be terrible. It's not Batman has never trained Dick to shoot, right? And I'm sure, if Batman ever did, they would obviously just shoot real people and not use a shooting range?
>He used a gun against a being who had replicated the Justice League's powers (of course, all to a weaker extent, because otherwise, Dick would literally need to be Superman-tier to have won).

You're right he used a gun. It's not so bad, though, man. Not using a weapon you are forced to carry is a much dumber thing, to me, though. He's not going full anti-hero either. Most of the earlier issues of Grayson was literally about Dick not using his gun. Not wanting to, other people asking him why he doesn't, etc.

So yeah, I was wrong. Mostly because I spend more time actually reading the content of the book and trying to understand everything that goes on, rather than counting the number of times he's used his gun.

And don't act like Nightwing has never used a gun, either.

>>79109694
Oh what the hell, I messed this up.

>It's not like Batman has ever trained Dick to use guns, right?

>>79099998
>>79099813

I never stuck around long enough to grasp the elseworlds thing. They marketed it as the beginning of Batman story so when they started shitting the bed in that department I just assumed they were being dumb.

Elseworlds story based on Gordon makes a lot more sense, I might check it out with that mindset.

>>79110625
I think you have to realize one day it's almost always an Elsworlds sort of deal. Pretty much the only 1 to 1 adaptions are some of those DC animated films that merely cut out some plot points for time (usually to their detriment). Pretty much everything else is taking an idea from comic lore and putting its own spin on things.

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>>79087170
I don't see how anyone can see them as anything other than Father/son

>>79111943
Morrison prefers them as brothers. He talked about it somewhere and I think there's a youtube video of it, but I don't remember what it's called.

>>79111943
Morrison saw them as brothers, but Morrison also had Bruce being 21 when he first started out

>>79111943
>>79112454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fut9DHWzi50

>>79111943
I mostly see it as father and son but I can also see it like Dick and Damian. Dick was half a father and half an older brother in that relationship.

>>79112513
Cute

>>79107172
Maybe dick/star can happen again?

>>79112875
Yeah no

>>79112875
You'd have to wrestle him out of the Bat-books first

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>>79093901
I actually love Jason, even more than I like Dick, I guess it's the badass attitude, it really gets to me.

Tfw he'll never take you out on his motorcycle for a date.

I see people asking for Dick to go bi for a long time I would be far happier if the did that to Jason.

>>79115191
How about together?

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>>79115259
Are you suggesting DickxJason because you should know that certain things are too good and therefore will never be true.

>>79115259
Jason is absolutely disgusting, why would you willingly saddle Dick with him?

>>79115443
So I guess being an excellent shooter, saving the world, having a hunky body and being trained by a female version of yoda isn't enough for you, somewhat he's disgusting.

>>79116142
I think he was talking about the red hair

>>79116142
Are you that Jason guy from CBR?

>>79086333
Archer has a Comic book?

>>79116282
No not really, I just like Jason.

>>79116282
>According to /co/ anyone caught saying anything positive about Jason is tzitzimine now.

What a shitty meme.

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>>79086333

>>79117710
>implying tzitzimine doesn't buy 20000 copies of RH/A a month to keep it alive

>>79117946
If I was really rich I'd do this for Omega Men

>>79118034
Same tbqh

>>79117946

Even if he did, so what? I honestly can't understand why /co/ is obsessed about some idiot posting on CBR this much when EVERYBODY on CBR forums is just as bad if not worse.

>>79086333
2str8

>>79118250
No

>>79099410
Riddler and Cobblepot look about 10-15 years older.
Cat is only a few older if not his age.
Hush is his age.
Ivy's about his age.

Only main one that comes to mind as being a bit off is Harvey

>>79118917
Assuming that the Graysons are banging already, Dick would only be like 12 years younger, right?

>>79117758
filename should say HELEEEEEEEENA

>>79118952
About that, yeah. And if Bruce were to take Dick on when he's 25ish Dick would be 15ish.

>>79118992
That's basically the New 52 timeline. Could always take the Morrison approach, and have Bruce meet Dick when he's like 21. Puts Dick at orphan Bruce's age, which should be important

>>79119167
>Daddy's Favorite
>Midnighter heart
>pouch full of snacks
kek

>>79119167
This is absolutely cute.

>>79119167
Top kek