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Good evening owls of /co/,

We were going to read the second Citizen V mini but fuck it, it's Zemo time
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>>79078870
that's an oddly sexy cover
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>>79078870
(back in 15, meanwhile, this got me kind of annoyed today):

https://twitter.com/CharlesPHoffman/status/688861539948998656

(scroll up, scroll down)
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>>79078870
Hello Storyteller.

Zemo, you will never be a male model. Stop deluding yourself, dude.
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>>79078886
he came by that (stolen) body honestly!

dat ass, but he hasn't forgotten how she beat him
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>>79078895
did that guy just compare liking the Punisher to seeing the Saw movies as cathartic? oh fuck that.
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>>79079339
His argument is that people like shit for reasons that often are not immediately obvious from prominent aspects of the shit itself, and also that it's probably not very useful to then slag on people who like something due to how other people who like it view and use it.
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>>79078895
In don't understand what he's bitching about.

Also, the word 'ultimatum' has been forever tainted in the context of Marvel comics.
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>>79079414
That's fair! I suppose my beef is more with the other parties in that conversation who apparently can't separate their own politics and think about WHY other people might like a thing.
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>>79079473
He's not bitching so much as the person downthread who's all "Fuck everything Punisher because it's politically tainted" is making me roll my eyes; sorry I wasn't clearer

FIXERRRRR
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>>79079473
>>79079494
Maybe this new age of "everything is politics, and politics is everything" is a toxic form of post-modernism? If so, can we go back to the age of post-modernism where everyone fancied themselves an expert critic? I'm really starting to miss that.
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>>79079494

that person did explain one of the reasons my favorite punisher is Frank as serial killer. and why i'm worried how that'll go on Daredevil with torture happy Daredevil
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>>79079626
If you're ever in the mood for the kind of srs bzns scholarship people don't seem to get the time to produce these days, and you don't mind being horribly depressed, this echos:

http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Cultural-Despair-Germanic-California/dp/0520026268/
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>>79079494
Yeah, that whole bit was really lame.

Good news though.
Finishing storytiming all of Flaming Carrot.

So...Quantum and Woody starts TOMORROW
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>>79078870
Nice ass.
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>>79079669
Hold on. COunter-Earth Iron Cross is Zemo? I thought he was the alternate V-Battalion Helmut. Well played, Nicieza.

I kinda want the Counter-Zemo to be awake in there and arguing with baseline Zemo.
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>>79079669
reminder that Helmut is weak to children

>>79079664
Right, I am hoping they don't go anywhere near Edmondson's Punisher with its "YAY MILITARY WOOO" vibe
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>>79079834
Oh Atlas, you poor thing

His character flaws are very well placed
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>>79079856
dat glare

those cheekbones
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>>79079834
I am really curious what Cloonan's Punisher will be like
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>>79079874
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>>79079901
FRANKTASTIC?
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>>79079958
oh that's right, Dillon's on art isn't he

that man really loves his FRANK
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>>79079958
more of dat. ass.
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>>79078895
>American Sniper

What you mean the movie that shows the fact that war fucks people up and forces them to make horrible moral decisions that lead to PTSD issues? That's not the kind of cathartic violence porn I think he's trying to make reference to.

Same deal with good Punisher stories. Frank is a fucked-up guy, and the best versions of his character don't shy away from that fact that NORMAL people don't go around thinking of executing criminals as their job.
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>>79080014
I haven't seen it, I just remember Ales Kot got into it with Gerads over the film, too, so there's some framing of the film as a politically undesirable thing, etc. I totally agree with you about good Punisher stories.
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>>79079901
According to Steve Dillion is really violent and a great action comic
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>>79079834
>>79079856
>>79079874
Flying cities are damn cool, but as a feat of engineering, they're utterly ridiculous. The sheer logistics alone, never mind the actual construction and necessary materials.

>>79079937
>Japan
>ravaged by something other than giant monsters
Huh.
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>>79080076
My cousin is a former sargeant and he loves to watch all of those war focused movies.
His assertion?
"It was alright"
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>>79080076
so when are these two going to fuck already

OH, so I went and downloaded some of Avengers Undercover

what a waste of Kev Walker, holy shit

>>79080081
Attilan is 100% vintage Inhumans bullshit Kree science
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>>79080076

I feel like the people who shit on American Sniper haven't seen it. It very much treats the IDEAL of a soldier with respect, but it is very un-glamorous in how it shows the action of war itself.
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>>79080120
Some also felt it a waste of Arcade as well
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>>79080139
Yeah. I definitely agree.

Eastwood's best has to be Letters From Iwo Jima though.
Like niagara falls.
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>>79080245
this is surely going to end well

Also, so, no spoilers, but I think we'll find Ellis in some ways makes more sense after we actually get to what leads into it

I couldn't sleep last night so I read some comics
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>>79080243

I saw Letters From Iwo Jima with my parents and me and my mom were both pretty weepy throughout large portions of it.

And I completely forgot that Eastwood directed it.
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>>79080076
>>79080120
>Attilan is 100% vintage Inhumans bullshit Kree science
The fact it's built into a huge chunk of rock makes it even more absurd. Way to add dead weight, idiots.

Also, I would LOVE to find out how they keep people from falling off while in flight. A chain link fence?
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>>79080277
The last 30 minutes is nothing but catharsis.
Powerful stuff.

Flags of Our Fathers though...could have been better. Felt a bit more messy to me.
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>>79078895
>>79079320
>>79079414
he'll never admit it but he did enjoy being a hero didn't he?
stupid sexy tsundere zemo
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>>79080276
>I couldn't sleep last night so I read some comics

For some reason, reading has the opposite effect on me when I can't get to sleep. The action of getting into a story or a line of reasoning in a book puts my brain further into awake mode.
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>>79080323
He does!

it's kind of frustrating to watch writers backslide with him, but such is the fate of villains who get more complex, except for Doom, I guess
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>>79080355
I will not bore you with my 100% justified hateboner for Mother Teresa, I will just say it exists.
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>>79080355
>but such is the fate of villains who get more complex, except for Doom, I guess

Or someone like Black Adam, where one writer handles the majority of the character's main stories for a long stretch of time.
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>>79080377
Even the one from the musical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G99XEXJaffI
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>>79080276
>talking to his dead mom
.......

>>79080355
>Can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.
BULLSHIT. Someone check Fixer for parasites or something. He just said something sensible!
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>>79080353
Same here.
But not movies.
I can't watch something to stay awake for the life of me.
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>>79080383
FabNic here owned Zemo for a long time (as we see) and did a lot with him...and then, well, a lot of it seems to have been at least partially undone. Black Adam seems to have escaped that, he was fun in Smugnestro (which I am behind on)
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>>79080377
>I will not bore you with my 100% justified hateboner for Mother Teresa, I will just say it exists.
What, the movie? I saw like one ad for that, only for it to disappear.
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>>79080425

Yeah that's what I ACTUALLY do if I'm having trouble falling asleep. Dial up something on YouTube.

Also finding a podcast or talk radio channel and turning it down really, really low so I can't really make out what they're saying. Just having that white noise in the background helps a lot. I have anxiety problems, so trying to figure out how to shut off my brain and actually get some fucking sleep without medication has been an ongoing experiment
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So where are all the inhumans?
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>>79080434
Gosh, I miss our dysfunctional family. Cagebolts really was good, but these guys together have the real family feel

>>79080462
no, the person
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>>79080462

It's probably getting a limited release, so they're not marketing it a lot in wider national ad campaigns
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>>79080493
LOL
O
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>>79080493
I totally agree OP.
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>>79080355
>>79080383
>>79080434
STATUS QUO IS GOD
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>>79080289
>reminder that this entire city cought up too fleeing skrull ships in war of kings despite them having a massive head start
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>>79080517
Awwww yeah!
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>>79080583
we parallel plots now, btw

Hey guys, this issue has a special bonus--wanna see it?
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>>79080517
>What's this? Did I just feel good about helping someone? WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING???
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>>79080602
Indeed
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>>79080615
Gotcha!
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>>79080602
Sure!
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>>79080681
Perfect storm I see
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>>79080709
f-f-finchface
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>>79080602
>Hey guys, this issue has a special bonus--wanna see it?
Considering you're being mysterious about it, I'm not sure I do.

>that snake chick
No comment, just want to draw attention to her.
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>>79080733
you know me too well
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>>79080727
>copy and pasted panels

No sir
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>>79080681
>Austen and Finch
WHYYYYYY
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>>79080792
Marvel Knights had some good stuff in it
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>>79080814
this new logo sucks
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>>79080827
Holy shit it is AWFUL
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>>79080827

Ewwww it's so boring in comparison.

I think a big part of the problem is that purple font color though.
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>>79080827
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>>79080681
..... Wait a minute.

>Chuck Austen
>David Finch
Oh, absolutely not. Fuck you.
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>>79080814
I read a Marvel Knights Spider-Man tpb. I liked it pretty well.
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>>79080852
A bigger part is segmenting the title.
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>>79080854
the lettering boxes here are kind of unclear, the flow is not good--but it is a spread

>>79080875
Marvel Knights F4 is really good
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>>79080517
>>79080493
I know I should be amused by him trying not to enjoy being a good guy, but goddamn you're supposed to do the first experiment in a controlled environment, then move it outdoors on a larger scale.
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>>79080905
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Someone's posting set pics from the Wonder Woman movie and I'm actually really excited that it's a WWI period piece. Seems like a point in history that isn't explored too often by superhero stories.
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>>79080583
>Nobody really went for Meteorite
>Even though the Batallion was RIGHT THERE in orbit

There are limits to being mean FabNic.
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>>79080960
Alright, for what it's worth....she looks pretty nice in those glasses.
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>>79080922
dese flashbacks
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>>79081018
so what's actually happened in Lemire Hawkeye past and present?
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>>79080827
It looks like the logo for some shitty semi-obscure 90s cartoon.

>>79080905
>>79080922
I will never understand this shit here.

Why have the panel lines when it's all one image like that? All that does is clutter the page.
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>>79080960
I don't think WWI is explored much on film period
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>>79081055
>Why have the panel lines when it's all one image like that? All that does is clutter the page.

I like it when artists and writers do the trick of having the panel lines cut across a single, static background shot, but have the characters do different things in each panel. It's a neat way of showing progression of time in a scene.

But yeah that's a dumb way of chunking up the page.
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>>79080681
Didn't Austen right about finding kids that died in a fire in JLA?

Wally's story I think. It was one of his better arcs, dealt with all the various stresses a Superhero has to deal with.
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>>79081055
I think it's because of the lettering, it's trying to guide you to read the boxes in the right order
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>>79081073

I heard it described once as "the war that everyone lost" and I think it's hard for writers to handle that in a way that doesn't make everything oppressively bleak.
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>>79081127
Zirch is usually a good artist to look at for clear storytelling and good panel composition, to be fair
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>>79080960
Its not really explored by much entertainment media, mostly because its a very, very depressing period for... Just about everyone involved. And because its overshadowed by WWII.
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>>79080960
>>79081073
A shame this rare look at WWI won't be done with any decent talent.

Why did anyone want a Wonder Woman movie so badly again? Exactly this was bound to happen.
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>>79081165
>>79081152
It also originates in murk and tension that's so much more ambiguous than the Nazi invasions. Balkan politics, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, alliances, etc.
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>>79080827
Marvel what are you doing? The O Bolt was fucking perfect.
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>>79081221
I don't know, it's a boneheaded decision

the Bolts logo needs no changes
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>>79081340
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I wonder if they'll capitalize on WW1 by having Ares or whoever pulling strings in all the alliances
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>>79081364
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>>79081073
I'm only aware of the Chaplain flicks that took the piss out of how absolutely wet everyone and the early parts of The Great Dictator.
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>>79081393

i'd be surprised if that's NOT the direction they take it in.

Again, considering that it's based in WORLD WAR ONE, that's perfect excuse for saying that Ares is pulling shit behind the scenes, or the conflict is giving him enough power to take over the world, or something like that.
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>>79081364
>textile telekinetic
.... Seriously?

Okay, so has any writer gotten a hold of Gypsy Moth and given her Read or Die style power levels?
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>>79081393
I'd be surprised if they didn't do that.

WWI was pretty complicated and depressing and it would be very difficult to sum up the entire war in addition to the modern day stuff.

Just saying "an evil god capable of causing war" makes it much more simple.
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>>79081435
The Great Dictator is a masterpiece

>that volunteering scene
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>>79078870
dat booty tho
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>>79081494
No, but they should, but we have no Busiek-style power levels right now except maybe Ewing and he's already working hard

shit, isn't there a ton of weird old X-stuff to dust off?
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So, Busiek posted his Amazon Wishlist.

Anyone have any ideas?
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>>79081538

Remender loved 90s shit
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>>79081523
Isn't that some quality Zemo booty?

>>79081538
BTFO
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>>79081600
yeah, and his last page at Marvel ended with the box FUTILITY
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>>79081638
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>>79081393
>>79081447
>>79081512
>thinking this movie will do anything smart or logical
You guys are really letting the somewhat unique setting blind you to literally everything else in this movie.
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>>79081670
You'll have plenty of threads to shitpost about Diana's lack of gains, leave this one alone dammit.
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>>79081708
My issue is more the actor's lack of talent.
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>>79081785
daaang

Zirch remembers the scar, too. Guess that's gone now.
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>>79081833
right in the feels
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>>79081806
Not like he'd have been the first villain he shot in the face.
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>>79081958
so how are you strigiformes today?
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>>79082015
catchin' up the new readers~
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>>79082015
cold as fuck, the high today was -2, and I didn't get much done

how are you OP ?
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oh hey Batista

>>79082015

had to help with moving and figured out how to get manga on my tablet so read some One Piece and JoJo 2.
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>>79082015
Tired
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>>79082015
It was -14 Last night and I'm too scared to check how cold it's going to be tonight.

I remember, about a month back, complaining about it being too warm for winter. And I rage.
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>>79082015
>So how are you strigiformes today?
Alright. Today was less cold, so I didn't have to skin anybody.
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>>79082048
>the high today was -2
FUCK

>>79082122
>It was -14 Last night
DOUBLE FUCK
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>>79082186
is that Songbird? can't be, Hallie knows who that is
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>>79082231
how common is the two people in one body thing, when it's this close? Genis and Rick seemed to have more separation, as do the Firestorms, they can uncombine
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>>79082015

Really fucking exhausted and stressed by my job right now. I'm seriously considering a change of career when summer rolls around Teaching middle school fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks
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>>79082231
I'd tell you but it's a spoiler. Think about who she's been connected to.
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>>79082313
no spoilers, very kind

>>79082307
we're here for you to vent to, anon. wish I could bring you home-cooked food.
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>>79082268
>how common is the two people in one body thing, when it's this close?

pretty common in anime, rare in western stuff
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>>79082343
You know, Karla really DID have his number, back at the big confrontation with Zemo in space.
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>>79082015
Paranoid, stressed, and annoyed

The hospital literally a few minutes from where I live isn't emailing me back about volunteer opportunities and I'm running out of time. It's been 3 days and all I need is a "we aren't doing that right now, look somewhere else" but noooooo
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>>79082456
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>>79082449

Call their HR department first thing in the morning. The only way I was able to get in volunteering and shadowing people at my local hospital when I was looking to get into a medical field, was when I cut the bullshit and talked to someone personally and pulled a couple strings because my mom was an RN who was on first-name basis with a lot of the staff
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>>79082487
The numbering skips here, but I don't think a page is missing?

also, LOL, more of the hands on hips pose
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>>79082343
>bitching that helping people is too easy
Psst, Hallie. Shut the hell up and just role with it, girl.You will never have it this good ever again. Chill.

>>79082434
...... This is why older Fixer murdered himself. Tool.
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>>79082597
How do I do emotions beep boop
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>>79082343
>we're here for you to vent to, anon. wish I could bring you home-cooked food.

I was promised a really robust program for helping first-year teachers when I moved down here and I haven't gotten jack shit in training so far, not to mention that EVERYONE admits that this is a really tough county and school district to teach in. It's stressful as fuck and I'm so overwhelmed by the position that it's tough to get everything done and keep up with the paperwork in addition to grading and lesson planning

So if you ever hear people complaining about the state of our schools in America or the shortage of teachers, I know exactly fucking why it's like that. Nobody wants to be a teacher because your first couple years are hell and it burns almost everyone out.
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>>79082570
C'mon Hallie, what's one more nuke?
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>>79082619
;___;

>>79082625
Now that's bullshit. Is there anywhere else you can reapply to/switch to, that is more likely to give you the support you need?
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>>79082625
>So if you ever hear people complaining about the state of our schools in America or the shortage of teachers
mostly in regards to the school system I hear people complaining that teachers have it too easy and they shouldn't strike for higher wages because they don't work for three months of the year

so yeah I presume nobody wants to be a teacher because it's also basically a thankless job
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>>79082696
Oh gosh, he wants to try so hard but he knows he sucks at it
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>>79082728
I still don't like this Moonstone costume
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>>79082619
>that last panel
In case you somehow forgot Zemo is a douchebag.

>>79082637
>to save the world, we have to nuke Japan
This plot point is seriously taking the piss.
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>>79082696
>Now that's bullshit. Is there anywhere else you can reapply to/switch to, that is more likely to give you the support you need?

I'm getting support now because the other teachers I'm working with are great and have helped out a lot with mentoring me, but I'm getting zero help from administration or the county, and I'm basically working from the ground-up in terms of funds and savings. I'm going to stick it out through this year, then try to get my ducks in a row to give it a shot next year once I have a better handle on classroom management, but I feel like I'm getting punished for being a greenhorn when the standardized testing comes around and my kids aren't up to snuff because I'm inexperienced and still trying to figure out how to teach and manage a class effectively.
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>>79082781
I like the mask, but not the rest
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>>79082781
Smiling Karla scares me
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>>79082815
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>>79082700

Well here's the thing. Are there bad teachers out there? Abso-fucking-lutely. The problem is that they can afford to be bad because they know that the school will keep them on because they don't have a lot of people exactly clamoring for a position to replace them.
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>>79082835
Jolt's changed a lot in 50 issues
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>>79082815
Smiling Karla AND Zemo.*shudders*
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>>79082781

eh it beats the white and gold longjohns with super vanilla mask she gets later
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>>79082861
d'awww :(

thanks for reading, owls, more tomorrow! we're heading to #75, then Threeboot beckons
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So I was going through my Thunderbolts folder yesterday, and I saw there's an alternate version of the page where Songbird catches Hawkeye and Karla.
Should I post it?
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>>79081944
Our old pal Batista!
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>>79082889
Thanks OP!
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>>79082889
Thanks OP!

I'm looking forward to Threeboot, I'm kind of Thunderbolt-ed out

>>79082891
yes
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>>79082889
Are you doing Avengers/Thunderbolts before or after Fightbolts?
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>>79082781
>I still don't like this Moonstone costume
Same. Especially the boots. That's just ugly.

>>79082815
>Smiling Karla scares me
What, you don't trust that face? That false assurance doesn't comfort you at all?
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>>79082889
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

>Threeboot beckons
I really hope that premise turns out better than it sounds. It just sounds cheesy, in a bad way.
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>>79082957
We're pausing at #75, then post-Threeboot we're gonna run A/T and New THunderbolts up to Ellis

Fightbolts gets run on a weekend if I have enough booze
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>>79082891
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>>79083376
Man, JUST when my internet kicks back in.
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>>79078870
Is that supposed to look like the 'just had sex' shot from bodice ripper books?
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>>79083431
The page must be shared

>>79083475
Probably
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>>79083376
>>79083539
Didn't they imply that Melissa was into Hawkeye around this time? And then she went right back to Abe and neither of them ever think about it ever again?
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>>79084312
She tried to mack on Hawkeye, but he gently turned her down. Let me find it for you.
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>>79084489
It's just kind of weird that, you know, that actually worked. Usually you expect to hear that incident to be brought up dozens of times after or at least Melissa to think that Karla swooped in and stole him, especially since it's the same writer. Here, if you skipped this one issue it never would've been one.
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also kind of relevant to our story here, in that Nick Spencer reads old comics
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>>79084709
Superior Foes really is Thunderbolts' successor.
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>>79085685
I would die for a Steve Lieber Bolts mini or something

Also, since I went looking, you see the gig Janice did for Zemo over in Bru's Cap, wherein it's Zemo's huge "trolling Bucky" scheme
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>>79078870
Thanks anon
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>>79086589
Oh Fixer.
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>>79080004
explain this
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>>79090785
We storytimed a mini where Dillon did the art on the one featuring Karate Kid. It was kind of funny, it was from the era when Dillon was still evolving to the force of Frank we know and love today, so in the beginning Karate Kid actually looked normal and happy, then when shit went down he went full FRANK.

The shirt's an edit, the face is not.
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>>79091012
>the face is not
Holy frank...
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>>79091078
Frank indeed.
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