It was great. Relationship between the brothers was great, animation was great, music was great (thought the song between the two Egyptian advisers and they're magic felt it belonged in a less serous film). it was an overall amazing movie that managed to do a lot and convey many emotions and adult themes with only a PG rating.
Now this is the part of the thread were everyone discusses whether the older brother did anything wrong or is God just a dick.
Well yeah, if there's one running theme in the OT, it's "God tries to do cool shit to win over the Israelites and give them a path to come back to Him and His covenants, and everyone just keeps fucking it up."
Nothing EVER goes right for the Israelites for long.
>>79076993 and yeah. it's pretty obvious by how it went. If god had been breaking his free will, supernaturally bullying him into submission.. he would've submitted after the third one. instead he forced him to stick to his guns and wouldnt let him back out out of fear, only out of genuine remorse
and EVEN THEN the fucker still 180s later of his own accord.
>>79077169 >>79077300 exactly. yet, consistently, it goes conspicuously-better-than-it-should-have-without-supernatural-assistance. they remained this tiny nation that should have been utterly pwned at every turn (and indeed he purposely didnt let them grow too mighty, and when they did he told most of the army to take the day off) just so it was clear something was going on. Not enough to PROVE god, enough to hint at him.. which is how that magnificent fucker rolls. every so often his own people get so rebellious he has to let them get temp-pwned so he can bring them back later when they repent. Last one took so long america got impatient and just sent them back ourselves. because america, dammit.
>>79077530 This is why I believe the Jews will be the last homogenous culture standing, they've spent too long eeking out a living among others, and they'll never give ground to any of this multicultural kumbaya bullshit.
Aside from *maybe* the Irish, the Jews are the last people to start saying diversity is their strength, most of their politicians demand an exclusively Jewish state, compare this with England, Germany and the USA, where quite a few of their politicians have pretty much lost the will to live, and would seem pretty indifferent to their nation transforming into something else entirely.
>inb4 /pol/ shill >A /pol/acks ever complementing a jew
>>79077530 They did get their ass kicked repeatedly though. Half if them got conquered by the Assyrians and the other half got conquered by the Babylonians who trashed their most sacred monument and exiled most of them. The only reason they returned was because the Persians were feeling generous. After that they got conquered by Alexander the Great, then the Romans, and finally got their most holy monument destroyed and their asses exiled again after failing to revolt.
On the other hand none of those empires are around anymore while the Jews are still here, so you might have a point.
Think of it more like our understanding of God evolved as his revelation unfolded, rather than God himself changing over time. As Israel grew and developed, the relationship between nations and their patron gods in general changed, and so did the relationship between Israel and God. In Christian tradition, much of the OT prefigures and prophesizes the final covenant between God and his people that Jesus would establish, and each iteration before it (most Biblical scholars count seven, with the different patriarchs and periods in Jewish history coming before) providing a foretaste or preview of what was to come eventually.
>>79078169 Not to mention many historians think that the wealth and power of the Kingdom of David is misrepresented in the bible, since all other historical evidence points to it being barely a regional power. Were it not for the success of their faith, the Israelite's would be little more then a footnote to history.
Catholics probably added that stuff in to add legitimacy to their new faith.
I love how /co/ can have these civil discussions about these things. we don't all agree, but I think we can all agree that we're clearly calmer and smarter and more rational than quickering bigglers we hear throwing poopoo at each other elsewhere.
Of course modern historians will say it is misrepresented. And by today's standards it absolutely is. But what my professor (who isn't catholic) told me is that back then things were valued and portrayed differently. So whenever you read the Bible you must understand the context first. I mean why would anyone want a bunch of apes at your disposal (1 Kings 10:22).
>Catholics probably added that stuff in to add legitimacy to their new faith. Couldn't have been man. Modern text is derived/sourced from the Dead Sea Scrolls written way before Catholics even existed. Unless you ARE reading the Catholic Bible and Apocrypha in which case there is a lot of incorrectly sourced material in there. Hence why the dark ages were so.... dark?
There was one scene that always got me. When the last plague came and killed Rameses' son. Moses walked up to him and Rhameses was like "Just...take your people and go." Then afterwards Moses goes into another room and breaks down. Every fucking time.
>>79084067 Agreed. That was a great scene. This movie was incredible at portraying an emotional perspective of the Biblical story. As a kid, when reading it in the Bible I pictured it saying something like: "Moses told Pharaoh do this. Pharaoh said no." I mean where was the brotherly remorse? Tore my heart apart when that kid died. Especially since my pa was watching it with me in the theater all those years ago.
>>79077978 Road to El dorado is one of the best Dreamworks movies ever made, next to how to Train your dragon. You posted 4 hours ago and I'm probably just wasting my time but believe me when I say that El dorado is pretty much the pinnacle of animation and one of the best Dreamworks movies to come out in the 2000's, yeah, it even beats out Shrek.
>>79080555 I think, in terms of the plague, it's the only song you can give a scene like this, especially when it climaxes with the indiscriminant killing of every firstborn child, human or animal, royalty or slaves.
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