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Is Chernabog the strongest Disney villain?
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Is Chernabog the strongest Disney villain?
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What the fuck is he even meant to be
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>>79054274
Satan I think.
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I dunno, how much can he lift?
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I hate to think they are going to made a shitty live action movie making him a misunderstood emo.
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>tfw chernabog sent frollo to hell
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>>79054274
Disney said he was supposed to be his interpenetration of pure evil
>>79054300
close enough
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>>79054350
Why there's isn't anything human about him he's s am extremely powerful evil demon thing whose enjoys putting people in hellish torment for the fun if it and the only thing that can stop him is divine intervention by God himself no much room for misunderstood emo fucker
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>>79054545
>>79054350
How can they even make a movie about him? They could do a story with him as the main villain but it would be hard to make a good movie all about him
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>>79054241
>Able to gather spirits of the dead
>Able to summon demons from hell
>Spends all night rocking out to classical music with his demon minions on the mountain top preparing to attack the town below and ends up running out of time.
or Pic related
>Accidentally freezes her entire Kingdom in less than a minute
>Accidentally freezes her sister's heart in a panic attack
>Able to create sentient life out of snow
>Able to harness control of her power to almost kill two guards.
>Power only held in check by love for her sister.
You can say she's not a villain, but you'd be wrong.
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>>79054619
She's not a villain.
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>>79054618
Exactly anyone who isn't God will get destroyed in fucking minutes just trying to touch him he can bring spirits from hell and torment the living as much as it pleases him until God get off his ass to stop him either any hero should be screwed
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>>79054619
So villains are people who do things accidentally?

Am I a villain because I accidentally knocked this one dude's tooth out in PE once?
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I always felt like Chernabog should've played a larger role in KH instead of being a one-off boss considering he's basically the devil.
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>>79054798
>>79054828
She was originally a villain, and is one step away from it in canon as it is. Besides, if you accidentally kill a town full of people, I'm pretty sure they still give you the death penalty.
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>>79054545
Anon is referring to Maleficent. Old Mal doesn't have a single good deed or positive trait to her name; she's petty, spiteful, brutal, ruthless, and takes pleasure in how utterly evil she is. Yet along comes a movie that claims that she was just misunderstood, really.
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Disney to afraid to make a competent villain
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>>79054864
You're reaching.
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Aren't the Heartless pretty much the strongest Disney Villains? I mean they not only terrorizehavoc in various Disney worlds and their inhabitants, and even a shitload of other shit.

Would also say Judge Doom, but his dip only works on toons and he's only a threat to one world.
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>>79054911
I am. I am reaching a logical conclusion.
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>>79054941
Not really Disney though.
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>>79054828
Depends. Was it a baby tooth or a permanent one?
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>>79054959
Disney owns them.
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>>79054619
I hope when they do a Frozen world that they give us a version of Onion Elsa.
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I think Genie Jafar is strongest When he isn't being a idiot.
I think Ursula with king tridant could be another runner up.
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isnt hades on par with him?
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>>79054855

Actually, I heard that he was originally gonna be the main villain in KH1 or something. He was in the early concept art I think along with lion-kid Sora.
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>>79054864
whatever she was ""originally"" is not what she is in the movie. no one died, or even got hurt besides the Prince.
comparing her actions to mass manslaughter isn't just as her actions weren't mass manslaughter.

I could call into question many people's driving and say ' everyone who's NEARLY had an accident has NEARLY had a hundred. it's simple statistics. they're all as bad as if they did have an accident and thus they shouldn't have licenses. '
But i won't say that, because something that didn't happen is not comparable to something that did happen.
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>>79055007

What about Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
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>>79055013
i hope when you post this image again, you do so in a resolution that is intelligible.
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Chernabog a shit. All he did was just move his arms around and get destroyed by the sun. As opposed to this fucker who actually pretty much fucking destroyed a forrest.
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>>79054867
Any reason why they made it like that she's the a evil witch empress why make her misunderstood she's fucking evil
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>>79055153
Only image I've got and I ain't hanging out on snowchan to find something better. My goal was to have a picture of Onion Elsa, not to allow people to read the page. I'd crop it, but I don't feel like spending 9000 hours in paint. If you want to read what it says:
a. buy the art book
b. find a torrent of the art book
c. beg on snowchan for this image in higher resolution
d. invest some time in a google search that may or may not garner results.
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>>79054855
Really he should've been the one causing the heartless to appear and the destruction of the worlds
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>>79055127
It was Judge Doom remember?
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>>79055295

He meant if Disney owns WFRR or not.
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>>79055056
Yeah I think he is he does admire his work and probably thinks he awesome (according to house of mouse) but it doesn't seem lie they know each other much so hades is probably a few tiers below him
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>>79055188
What was that thing anyways
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>>79055284

Eh, at this point of the series, I would rather have Disney elements not get THAT highly connected to the main plot with stuff like the Mickey crew and Maleficent just being the supporting cast.
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>>79055354
Pheonix
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>>79055315
It was Touchstone so I think yes they own it. That movie is worth gold though because it's the last time you'll ever see Mickey and Bugs share a scene together officially.
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>>79055315
I know I was joking. Yeah Disney owns that.
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>>79055056
He's shown creating living beings from fire so unless Hades can literally make life out of elements I wouldn't put them in the same league
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>>79055211
We live in a post frozen world anon all Women must be made to be misunderstood not full blown irredeemable
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>>79055418
Fucking help that's annoying they could have made her tragic and evil to the core
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>>79054941
Heartless are tough but can be controlled by most villains.
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>>79054867
Such a disappointing movie. Leaving her alive without her wings was probably the most evil thing in the movie though. Would've been much more merciful and kind to kill her after he chopped them off
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>>79055354

Firebird from Fantasia 2000.
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>>79054941
Chernabog exists in the KH universe, I'd like to think he could rek the everliving shit out of any heartless really.
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>>79055591
Too bad Sora's gonna beat that ass.
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>>79055591

He bad all he's been is a throwaway boss in 1 and the 3DS game's Fantasia world.
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>>79055007
Technically they have dual ownership with Square Enix.

>>79055591
And yet they wrote it so that he'd get his shit got kicked in by a kid with a shitty sword, a spell casting duck with anger issues, and a dog with a shield.
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>>79055650
>dual ownership with Square Enix
Nope. All Disney.
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>>79054619
Most disney villains can do what elsa did
Maleficent
Evil Queen
Jafar as a Magician, then again as a genie
Maybe even Dr. Facilier
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>>79055707
>Dr. Facilier
If he could do all that he wouldn't have been stealing pennies from random people on the streets.
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>>79055650

>A spell-casting duck with anger issues.

You riles me up about KH games? How Donald is portrayed too reserved when the whole point of his character is his anger issues. If anything, Donald should've been the fighter with Goofy as a wizard.
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>>79054855
>mfw Night on Bald Mountain started playing in his fight
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>>79055746
He would need to make a contract with spirits for a very powerful soul, but he could probably curse multiple people at once and at the very least do half of the things that anon said Elsa could do
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>>79055773
So why was he stealing shit from losers on the street.
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>>79055835
Because he owed his friends a favor
He's essentially Jafar, but he didn't get a chance to set up his position next to royalty
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>>79055766
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>>79054274

>Chernobog (Proto-Slavic *čĭrnŭ 'black' and *bogŭ "god"), also spelled as Chernabog, Czernobog, Chornoboh, Crnobog and Tchernobog is a Slavic deity, whose name means black god, about whom much has been speculated but little can be said definitively. The only historical sources, which are Christian ones, interpret him as a dark, accursed god, but it is questionable how important or malicious he was really considered to be by ancient Slavs. The name is attested only among West Slavic tribes of the 12th century, hence it is speculated that he was not a very important or very old deity. Older scholarship assumed him to be the counterpart of Belobog.
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>>79055766
>>79055905

Firebird Suite better play when you fight >>79055188 in 3.
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Depends on how far you want to stretch the term "Disney"
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>>79056465
Where do they're powers stem from anyways they managed to destroy mostly everything but did they use their combine power to pull it off how OP is a single beyonder realy? did Hickman ever explain this in his entire run
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>>79057259
Not really.

Just Doomwank and typical Hickman BS
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>>79058499
Thats the shit that just killed this run for me. I was all aboard for the multiverse is ending, armies of universe destroyers, and cosmic shenanigans but no it all boiled down to Doom
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>>79054619
>>Able to create sentient life out of snow

Bitch, I created sentient life from pure mental energy. I had a depressive episode that turned into a giant shadowy monster that possessed me and nearly brought the world into darkness.
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>>79055013
Reminder that they didn't change the hairstyle because onion hair=evil, they changed it because TInkerbell's ice-controlling sister had the same look.
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Alex I'm watching you stream and you're on 4chan.

Also; Aladdin is the strongest Disney Villain
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>>79059778
God dammit. I like Periwinkle and all, but still, what a waste.
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>>79054241
If television shows count, the villains of Wander Over Yonder are orders of magnitude greater than any given Disney movie villain.
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>>79054867
Will we ever get a movie that does the same to the one who REALLY deserves it - Adolph Hitler?
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>>79062405
I think they already tried that in some TV movie but got afraid of offending people and instead amplified his badness.
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>>79054241
How about the horned king from black cauldron
Maybe genie jafar
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>>79054241
Chernabog may be based on satan but satan was likely based on hades
Admittedly satan was probably not based off of james woods probably not
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If I recall, Fantasia called him Satan, but "CHERNOBOG" is the name of the Slavic God of Evil.

But really, who cares. He looks cool and has the best scene in Fantasia.
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>>79062876
>Satan based on Hades
>not based on Pan
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>>79062907
Either way hades predates satan
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>>79062953
Yeah but he's not really evil.
He just resides over the underworld/afterlives.
He just got wrapped up into the Satan comparison because underground means Hell to Christians.
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It's a little off topic, but I think here is the place to ask it. I have a copy of Fantasia 2000 on VHS that I haven't watched since I was a kid. Is it significantly better or worse than other versions of Fantasia?
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>>79062907
that is correct, he is not based on Pan
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>>79054274
black god

literally
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>>79059778
>Implying Disney would let a movie from a cancelled franchise get in the way of the Frozen Cha-chinggernaut.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nexl2xrwGng

I'm pretty sure it's this guy.
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>>79064112
They let Meet the Robinsons get the way of Up. Russell was originally named Lewis.

Besides, they didn't expect Frozen to be this gigantic thing. Was one of those movies with a troubled production history they thought was gonna be an piece of shit. Then the Snow Miser decided to do a spot of viral marketing for them with the polar vortex.
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>>79055650
Disney owns all original IPs that are created for Kingdom Hearts. Every non-Final Fantasy character is theirs, from Sora and the hearltess to Xehanort and the nobodies.
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>>79062119
You misused a semi-colon, and no one fucking cares.
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>>79054241
No, he just throws the best parties.
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>>79054241
Jafar as a djinn is able to do pretty well anything, so long as he is instructed to. That beats a pseudo-Satan with no real showings.
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>>79054241
No.
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>>79063114

It's not nearly as good as the original, but I still enjoyed watching it. Firebird Suite is far and away the highlight but I really loved the Rhapsody in Blue sequence (mainly because I fucking love Gershwin in the first place).
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>>79054241
But could he beat Madara Uchiha?
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>>79054820
Sora, Donald and Goofy took him on. See KH1.
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>>79069122
Never forget the time he shoved a bike pump inside Jesse when she was out of her box and began pumping her so full air that heard threads began to pop at the seams.
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>>79055591
Lol no,

He's bad ass enough where he's able to hang out with the Heartless because he's pure evil, but he got his shit kicked in twice by children.
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>>79062876
>James Woods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgyitL9M2Qw
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>>79054241
The dude got beat by a bell. No.
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>>79054274
chernabog
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>>79055354
Fire elemental I would assume.
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>>79062876
>>79062978
>>79062953
Satan was mostly influenced by Angra Mainyu and Zoroastrianism's duology. Greek mythology had nothing to do with it.

Even if y'all are trolling it's still triggering my autism.
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>>79055188
That thing feels more like a force of nature while Chernabog is pure evil.
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>>79054241
Chernabog is a fooking stoopkid that doesn't dare leave his mountain top.
a laptop filled to the brim with kungfu movies isn't a kungfu master
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So in contrast to the character who is quite literally a manifestation of pure evil, who is the most pure of heart Disney character?
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>>79072618
Dumbo
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>>79072618
King Arthur?
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>>79054241
>Villain
I think you have the wrong idea of what a villain is. Just because someone is physically imposing, dark and controls the spirits of the dead, as well as demons, doesn't make them a villain. No living beings were harmed during Night on Bald Mountain. It's their own fault for assuming.

That said, yes, I am indeed the strongest character in Disney canon.
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>>79054241
That would be Gaston.
No one's slick, quick, or has a neck as incredibly thick as Gaston's.
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>>79072780
Gaston isn't a villain.

He's a dick for trying to use Maurice as a pawn to marry Belle, but he isn't a villain.
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>>79055056
>>79055395
He is a god and the older brother of the god that did make life out of elements when he made Pegasus out of cloud.

Plus the whole Greek gods being able to make life whenever they wanted to. Hades can bring people back from the dead if he wishes, did it in the series.

And sunlight does not really bother him. The sun is his nephew.
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>>79065734
It's surprising how accurate describing it as "the next Lion King" actually turned out to be.
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>>79071816

Satan in Jewish tradition is "The Accuser" or something of an agent of God that tempts and tests human beings. As salvation moved away from adherence to the law, to a more personal testimony and relationship with the divine with Christianity, Satan himself moved more from something that tests according to the Law, and a personal tempter and source of evil.
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>>79054274
Walt himself said that "Chernobog" is the devil, so I'd say that's pretty definitive.
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>>79055650
>>79070813
The heartless get their shit kicked by the same kid tho, so that can't really be the best comparison to say Chernabog is weaker than heartless
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>>79074616
The word "satan" means accuser, and when it is written with a lower-case S it is referring to an unnamed accuser, and when it's the upper-case S it's referring to Lucifer.
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>>79075075
And to further stress this point, the name "Chernobog" doesn't really mean anything in regards to whether or not the character is supposed to represent the Judeo-Christian devil, because the devil goes by many names.
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>>79054393
>his interpenetration of pure evil

Penetrating pure evil sounds pretty hardcore.
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>>79054618
I dunno, but the Climax better involve Night on Bald Mountain.
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>>79073846
Yes we saw the King of the Gods create life.

We never saw a lesser god of the underworld create anything.

We did see Chernabog create life and transform it, also resurrect the dead.

He is higher on the food chain than Hades who has to make deals and bargain to do anything to anyone.
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>>79062876
Hades in Greek mythology was the closest thing the Greeks had as a concept to true justice and impartiality.

The only crime of Hades was in kidnapping his niece to be his wife (the incest part, in the logic of Greek mythology, is okay as long as a god does it since there's literally nobody else they can fuck and make more gods). But she grew to love it, and only missed returning to the mortal world and hanging out with her mother.

Hades had literally forgotten to tell her that eating food in the afterlife makes you unable to live in the non-afterlife world, but she's still allowed to spend half the year when she wants up here and on Olympus. Otherwise, she serves as the friendly face of the grim reaper in guiding souls into their new homes, promising fairness to them.

While Poseidon and all of the male second generation of gods other than Hephaestus plot Zeus's death and their own rise to power, Hades wants none of it. He wants you to get off his lawn because the afterlife is really financially profitable and he prefers their company to other gods and mortals.
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>>79070886
He got beaten by the powers of god, since it was a church bell. Considering that's the ultimate endgame its arguable that the fact only that was able to banish him points to him being strong.
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>>79072706
Lust was his downfall.
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>>79054619
Elsa was supposed to be the villain before Disney corporate intervention ruined that film.
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>>79054876
Do you think Keanu Reeves could play a villain?
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>>79076211
Even then he asked Zeus, Persephone's father, to have her as his bride and Zeus agreed.

The marriage was totally legal in every regard in ancient Greek thought.
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>>79076211
This is kinda variable, though. The Greeks generally hated Hades, and didn't want him to be around because... well, he's the God of the Dead, and few people want to be reminded of that. The Greeks just kinda took it for granted that Hades wasn't a nice guy, and temples dedicated to him were pretty rare. Saying you were a follower of Hades was a good way to imply you were morbid at best and seriously messed up at worst.
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>>79076368
Wasn't intervention at all, the writers changed their minds after Let it Go was recorded.
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>>79076211
>While Poseidon and all of the male second generation of gods other than Hephaestus plot Zeus's death and their own rise to power, Hades wants none of it. He wants you to get off his lawn because the afterlife is really financially profitable and he prefers their company to other gods and mortals.
He was also considerd the god of the inner Earth itself and everything found within it. Like gold, metals, and gems. So he was considered the wealthiest god.
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>>79063118
Most depictions of Satan drew from Pagan tradition. If you look through lists of Christian devils or demons, a couple of them are named after someone else's god as a "fuck you, you're worshipping a demon" (see: Baphomet from Muhammad, Baalzebub from Ba'al).

So a lot of artists, when drawing Satan, drew inspiration from pagan imagery. Most obviously, the cult of Pan was fairly infamous, because Pan is a god of lust, sex, and swinging around your big dick, and Christianity hasn't ever been the biggest fan of that. So they started drawing Satan as a guy with horns, a beard, and goat legs, as a way of saying "Aha! All your drunken revelry and wild orgies aren't actually fun! They're secretly being run by the Devil!"
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>>79076596
What the fuck would a god even use gold and gems for? Are there stores in the after life?
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Why is he the villain again? Seriously, he does nothing but be a mildly incovenient host to spirits that went to him on their own volition.

>>79054274
>>79054300
>>79054393
>>79075075

The devil using the name of a slavic deity because Disney is P-U-S-S-Y
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>>79076211
I like how in Age of Mythology, even though Hades looks evil, it's Poseidon who fucks you over.
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>>79079263
>The devil using the name of a slavic deity because Disney is P-U-S-S-Y

Moreso because a lesser known slavic deity's name is a lot easier to trademark. The ship has kind of sailed on trademarking Satan.

Anyone who watches Night on Bald Mountain knows pretty damn well what it is they're really looking at. They could have used the name Nasty McNightmare and the character would still be an obvious depiction of the devil.
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>>79079395

All the Greek gods are varying degrees of assholes. Hades is actually one of the nicer ones, when he's not deciding to kidnap young girls, I mean.

Hephaestus and Hestia are about the nicest of the bunch, and Hestia gets kicked out of Mt. Olympus later on to make way for Dionysus to be recognized as a major god.
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>>79072618
Probably Spring Sprite
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>>79080329
>Spring Sprite
Are you fucking kidding me? Coily is evil to the core.
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>>79079934

I think he means within the context of the game, where Poseidon is actually the one behind the main villain.

Nearly all other non-titan gods aside from Set and Loki are paladin-good in AOM.
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>>79077667
Treasure is magic. It's like a form of authority that exists in an object. It's like if you took a king and put a portion of his power into sigil, now all of it's kind hold that power. It's a tiny king you can put into your pocket. So many people can be made to agree on the value of things and the power those things have over the people that use them can be seen as almost mystical. We take it for granted these days but it really is incredible.

There are plenty of religious rituals and sacrifices that use coins or some other type valuable object.
In fact the sign of Pentacles in tarot are often meant to represent the power of magic as well as wealth. Understanding the mysteries of coin would be understanding the core concept of "value." Controlling coin would mean controlling anything a human could consider valuable.

It could mean Hades, despite being a creepy mother fucker, had the power to build nice things. So as much as you might hate him you must give him respect if you want nice things. It truly would be a vague and terrible power.

>tl;dr: Being fucking loaded is a form of sorcery
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>>79077667
Line his walls and be a pimp.
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>>79080514
Coily just wants springs to be appreciated.
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>>79080514

He waits eternity for his moment and then backs down almost instantly.
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>>79074616
So, Satan and Lucifer are two different entities, right?
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>>79079934
Thought Hestia willingly gave up her Throne in Olympus because shit man, she just needs to tend the hearth.
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>>79055118
She could have easily killed people through her actions and did so deliberately though.
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>>79079263
>>79079600
Also, the original piece was a tone-poem centered around a dark sabbath for Chernabog popping up in some peasant's nightmares.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_on_Bald_Mountain#Name
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>>79072780
>>79072835
Gaston was an ANTAGONIST, but not necessarily a VILLAIN.
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>>79081838

Depends on who you ask. According to Christians, they're two names for the same guy.
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>>79081838
No. Satan is the title of Lucifer. Lucifer is the great accuser. He tempts people into committing evil and then makes a claim on their souls through accusation, hence he holds the title of the Satan.
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