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What's the chance we will ever get a hard sci fi cartoon series or animated movie? I mean, there are hard sci fi books, comics, anime, live action movies and even video games. Why does western animation never make the effort show a basic understanding of how science works?
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Because science doesn't sell toys.
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What about that one French movie where they time travel or some shit
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>>79046054
How hard we talking here? Because going too hard can be boring as fuck.

>>79046098
>French
>time travel
Kill yourself.
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>>79046054
>hard sci-fi
>anime
starting off with lies is never good
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>>79046054
>there are hard sci fi books, comics, anime, live action movies and even video games.

Well, then hard sci-fi is not a rarity.
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>>79046054
Hard Sci-Fi is boring to most of the public.

People want Star Trek tehnobable solutions, or Star Wars escapist fantasy.
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>>79046256
The Martian was the 10th highest grossing movie of the year
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>>79046174
Git fugged
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>>79046276
>inb4 someone says this isnt hard sci-fi because its popular
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>>79046355
It wasn't hard sci because the science was fundamentally bad.
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>>79046276
How is The Martian hard sci fi?
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Exo-Squad was totally a toy commercial, but it was a pretty good sci-fi cartoon.
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>>79046396
How the fuck isn't the Martian hard sci-fi?
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>>79046446
He comes into all sorts of contact with Martian soil, grows food in it, and doesn't get quickly poisoned and die from perchlorate in the soil.
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>>79046384
>fundamentally
how?
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>>79046609
>perchlorate
http://dirt-lab-dispatch.blogspot.ca/2015/09/potatoes-on-mars-part-first.html
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>>79046625
There aren't any wind storms on Mars that could cause any of the damage that drives the entire plot.

The atmosphere isn't thick enough.
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>>79046054
hard scifi requires hard science fact, the only existing example of which is that it does not exist. and even that's not very solid
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>>79046054
>hard sci fi cartoon series or animated movie
HAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>79046844
there is no reason there can't be a hard sci-fi animated movie when something like anomalisa exists
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>>79046760
and so that makes everything else in the movie scientifically inaccurate?
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Yeah OP, it's terrible. But excuse me, I heard my torrent just finished downloading so I'm gonna go watch this totally unrelated thing...
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Does hard sci-fi have to be based in real science, or can it include plot-devicium as long as it extrapolates from there along totally logical lines? Personally I get much more out of seeing characters solve problems within an internally consistent setting than I do from just thinking 'yup that's well researched I guess'.
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>>79046054
>a hard sci fi cartoon series or animated movie
You are not alone ; I want this as well.

Are there any good hard sf books that you can recommend?


The only on es that I can think of are The Fuse and Highways by byrne.
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>>79050966
Downbelow Station, Cyteen, Regenesis
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>>79049732
Usually no, that's what separates hard sci fi from normal sci-fi, hard sci-fi is based purely on existing science. You can have techno babble in normal sci-fi follow a logic tho
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Recommend me a good science fiction book series to read, /co/.
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>>79051902
Ringworld is okay. I read it as a kid and loved it, though I recently re read it, it wasn't as good as I remembered
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>>79046870
>anomalisa
What does that garbage have to do with hard sci-fi?
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90% of Hard Sci-Fi is just STEMlords trying to show off how smart they are.
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>>79052018
an animated movie doesn't have to be aimed at children so there is absolutely no reason there couldn't be a hard sci-fi animated movie
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>>79051902
Hard or soft? Dune is one of the best sci-fi novels of all time but it's also one of the softest.
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>>79051902
H Y P E R I O N
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>>79051965
I got halfway through that before I got too bored to continue.
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>>79052043
Then at least try an example of a good adult film like Waltz with Bashir, and not that awful piece of shit.
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>>79052182
so do you not understand the point or...
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>>79046098
You mean Gandahar? Fantastic Planet by the same director was better.
>>79046054
Check out Technotoise and Aeon Flux. More cyberpunk though.
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>>79052199
Yes, I don't understand the point of a corny attempt at "mature" drama that receives praise from idiotic and tasteless critics who go easy on everything nowadays.

I'm sorry, people mentioning Anomalisa as an example of something good is my most recent pet peeve.
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>>79052297
do you not understand the point of the statement

but I can see that you might have a problem with reading comprehension so I apologize
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>>79046054
Hard sci-fi is anti-fun and pedantry incarnate.
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>>79052341
I do understand, I just think you're a fucking idiot for not using an actually good example of a mature cartoon.
Had you said something along the lines of "if something like aforementioned Waltz with Bashir can exist, why can't hard sci-fi cartoons?" no one would've batted an eye.
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>>79046295
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>>79051788
>>79052074

this is kind of what I meant. Dune obviously has lots of bizarre trippy fantasy elements but the level of detail is such that I think it would be doing it an injustice to call it 'soft'. I always remember the example of plants on Arrakis never evolving thorns because nothing big enough to bother eating them existed there. Maybe there should be a specific name for stuff that exists between pure 100% plausible sf and something like Star Wars.
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>>79052543
I need this. What show?
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>>79052850
Garzey's Wing
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>>79046127
>French
You must be new here, we love French animation, some of the best stuff you'll ever watch.

Fuck, even their ouiaboo shit is good.
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>>79052904
I was agreeing with you until
>Fuck, even their ouiaboo shit is good.
Wakfu is cancer, plain and simple.
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>>79052904
>ouiaboo

you deserve a slap for that
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>>79046706
That blog post doesn't even mention perchlorate, so I'd have to assume the person who wrote it overlooked that obstacle completely.
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>>79052129
This. Read this.
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>>79052936
>>79052947
Name a better cartoon that's still getting made.
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>>79052999
>name a turd that's less smelly than this turd
What's the point? Just because there's worse out there doesn't make it any less unwatchable.
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>>79053017
Because the only reason you have for saying it's bad so far is because "I say so" or "I don't like it"

Well, fuck this thread, and fuck you newfags (or just bitter oldfags)
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>>79052904

Though in desperate need of some HD goodness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOL3hS3hSOY
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>>79053061
I hate it because of either obnoxious or plain shitty characters, poor imitation of already terrible Jap shonenshit, ugly artstyle and shitty action.
>b-but muh lewdness,
>b-but muh Nox best villain ever
Fuck off. If I wanted fanservice, I'd watch something with a better artstyle and a second-rate Mr. Freeze is shit.
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>>79046054
Would it include hot aliens?
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>>79052850
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>>79046054
Sci-fi is a joke. Hard sci-fi is one of the worst genres, with awful fans.
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>>79053523

/r/ing the image where an angel flies down with a note saying "ok"
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>>79053523
>Hard sci-fi is one of the worst genres, with awful fans.
Maybe.
>Sci-fi is a joke.
Absolutely not. The Sci-fi genre has tons of good material to work with.
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>>79046054
>What's the chance we will ever get a hard sci fi cartoon series or animated movie?
Slim to none until you can explain science in a very exciting, fascinating and compelling manner.

Not saying it cannot be done, just that it's a hell of a lot harder.
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>>79051902
2nd for Hyperion Cantos

Other recs off the top of my head:
Expanse series, begins with Leviathan Wakes
The Risen Empire by Scott Westerfeld
Seveneves by neal stephenson
Planetfall by Emma newman
Lock In by John Scalzi (not space but scifi)
Parasite by Mira Grant (not space but scifi)
Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson (trilogy)
Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan (trilogy, Takeshi Kovacs series)
A fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge
Helliconia series by Brian Aldiss
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (cyber punk)
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>>79054066
Maybe you could if it's all attached to the story and all the pretty details are important, like a murder mystery for example. Otherwise what'd be the point of exposing all those details if they don't matter at all.
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>>79046054
The problem with getting a more "serious" animated movie or series for anything in the west is the common perception that cartoons are for kids. It's hard to get that sort of thing to float without being a cartoon that caters to kids, and if it catered to kids it sure as hell wouldn't have hard sci fi in it because it'd just go right over their heads. Very few studios would ever pick it up.

Now, I know what you're thinking - there are independent animators out there - but if anyone had an idea for a hard sci fi story they'd probably just write it instead and save themselves a shitload of effort that animation entails.

TLDR - not likely.
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>>79046054

Because the more someone knows about a subject the more they feel the need to talk about how something fictional isn't accurate enough to real biology, chemistry, engineering, etc and just be total fuckin' buzzkills and you can't market anything to those people

Like that faggot Neil Tyson talking about what's impossible in Star Wars

Wow, lightsabers can't work in real life, who ever would've thought
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>>79046096
this
Hard science doesn't sell
kids dont like math, or chemistry, or physics, or biology.

I mean I get if you did, but it doesn't matter. kids just want action and/or comedy. the extra subplots that you see in some cartoons are just there for writers sake. but the plots don't really have to make sense, so it doesn't really matter.


NOW, a hard science sitcom cartoon show, maybe, but just remember, The big bang theory exists, and people actually like that piece of shit.
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>>79054330

People like the big bang theory for reasons entirely unrelated to science
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>>79054363
this was my point
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>>79054372

The guy in your picture is pointing at the words "hard" and "kids"
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>>79054330
That's because "hard sci-fi" writers take the "down to earth" approach toward the future don't they?

I'm a physics PhD student, and I still acknowledge that we really don't know shit. There's so many gaps in everything that honestly you can get away with almost anything you want in sci-fi, but for some reason it's only considered "hard sci-fi" by most people if you stick to the usual cut and dry predictions of what the future holds.

I think a middle ground is perfect, something like Futurama. The writers actually explain that they're aware we can never know what the future is going to be like, so instead of pretending we can they like to throw weird things in your face to remind you of that.
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>>79046054
>Why does western animation never make the effort show a basic understanding of how science works?
Does it?
I thought there is plenty of educational shows about space or sea explorers.

Could that shows considered "fiction" is another question.
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This thread is reminding me of a book I read a few years ago.
>scientist that investigates wired stuff is brought in to inspect a hole
>seawater is draining into it, perfectly round smooth cylinder.
>reports of a similar larger hole on other side of Earth
>another hole, more clues, etc...
>[SPOILER]turns out it is an alien cannon on Mars[/SPOILER]

Not the best breakdown, but the book moved quick and was a fun read. I forget the name of the author or book and I'm hoping someone might know. The author does do research to at least make the events in his books scientifically plausible.

He has another book set in the American southwest desert on a Indian reservation. There is a hidden CERN type facility under the Mesa. Some ghost, alt universe, heaven/hell type shit going on (author stated he's not religious just the way the plot went).

These books would translate well to /co/ or film
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>>79046054

I would love, LOVE, a good animated movie made out of Albedo.

OMG, so much love....
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>>79046892
It makes a major part of the plot scientifically inaccurate which takes it off the "hard sci fi" list. You can't be kinda hard.
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>>79059637
>You can't be kinda hard.
tell that to me in in HS, all the time
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>>79052543
Re-entry is a bitch and she doesn't like fatties.
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>>79046054
There was that french animated show from the 1980s... Once upon a time space. That was pretty much hard sci-fi. Amazing space ship designs too.
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it's not animated, but The Expanse is the hardest thing there's likely to be for a good while. hard is a hard sell.
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>>79064795
Found the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2wLbNYnHI
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>>79046295
i only watched some episodes of Planetes; the sci parts were nice but overall it was meh
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>>79051902
The Quantum Thief is the hardest sci i know, it's difficult but great
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>>79046609

He purified it off-screen.

Nah, but seriously. It's hard sci-fi because they actually have to think about how they would get out of this situation. Hard sci-fi doesn't mean the science checks out completely or even nearly. It just means that there aren't gadgets that essentially function as magic wands. Plus, the stuff going on on Earth was neat. There were political obstacles on earth that are not too far fetched, I think.
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>>79046054
What the actual fuck is "Hard sci-fi"?
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>>79052129

Seconded. It's the best.

The guy predicted The War On Terror and the simultaneous amplification and erosion of social protest through social media. In the fucking early 80s. He is really fucking good at estimating the effects of technology.

Plus it's a really really really really good story. Essentially an epic set in the future, but without the implausibility of an epic.
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>2001
>Hard scifi
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>>79052870
What the fuck, wasn't that supposed to be about swords, dinosaurs and gunpowder?
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>>79046174
There was lots of effort with licenscing stuff like Lensman in the 70s.
I think a part of me like Tom Cruise because he is the only person left in Hollywood with any semblance of a boner for Sci Fi, but nobody else wants to.
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>>79051076
Destination: Void
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>>79066248
>Lensman
>hard
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>>79047215
Wondering if more studios will follow in SyFy's footsteps with stuff like Le Expanse.

Cartoon of Clark's Islands In The Sky? Heinein's The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress? (think Vin Diesel had optioned this at some point).
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>>79053523
>Sci-fi is a joke.
Pretty much all capeshit is sci-fi. Your tone suggests you're some kind of huge MoS/BvS fan: Supes is an alien FFS; Batman's gadgets are pretty much all science fiction; Comicbook Wondy's tits defy the laws of nature in a way that suggests Themiscyra has conquered gravity.
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>>79053523
Sci Fi is a joke because it is applied too broadly.
I love it when something thats modern day is tagged as Sci Fi, for no reason.
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>>79053523
>>79066440
>>79066457
Hollywood is like scifi: it should have died out when the 20th century ended.
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>>79066380
Heinlein was a faggot.
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>>79051902
For stuff like The Expanse there's Arthur C. Clarke's early career solar system exploration stuff.

Islands In The Sky
The Sands of Mars
Earthlight - even features a war where Mars declares independence from Earth
A Fall of Moondust
Prelude to Space - written prior to the Apollo program
Venture to the Moon
Rendezvous With Rama
The Deep Range
The Fountains of Paradise (his best book IMO)
Imperial Earth
The Hammer of God

There's also a metric shit-ton of similar stuff in his short story collections: Expedition to Earth, Reach for Tomorrow, Tales from the White Hart, The Other Side of the Sky, Tales of Ten Worlds, The Nine Billion Names of God, Of Time and Stars, The Wind from the Sun.

Clarke could never write characters too well, or went beyond basic surface politics, but they're all pretty much the stuff most sci-fi authors since have used as their basis for similarly set space adventures.
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>>79066457
Well, if the modern day setting has advanced technology that doesn't exist in real life, then it is sci-fi.
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>>79065155
Bruh, you got to watch all of it. The second half turns the SOL into a terrorist thriller.
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>>79066586
Stephen Baxter is his best disciple. "Planck Zero" is one of my favorite short stories.
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>>79046892
Well, no, but there are other problems
There's nothing for the wind to push around, which means there's no wind storms, also by the end of the story everyone on the mission probably has cancer. And speaking of cancer, he wouldn't have access to that nuclear material either, and the crew's huge ship would be impossible to power without a similarly huge reactor as well. Matt Damon should also easily be able to restart his potato farm as well, since in the movie, unlike the book, he never has to introduce any kind of limited supply of bacteria, assuming he didn't keep his potato crop in the farming area, which would be stupid for the exact reason that happens in the movie.
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>>79052543
Not enough delta-V, the barrel would remain in orbit.
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>>79066380
>>79051902

I want HBO to make a series out of The Dread Empire's Fall.
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>>79054170
>Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson (trilogy)

I hate this so much. The German translation killed it for me.
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>>79052543
tell me he dies horribly. and post pics of it
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>>79054170
>Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson (trilogy)
>Helliconia series by Brian Aldiss
>Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (cyber punk)
Good taste.
>Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan (trilogy, Takeshi Kovacs series)
Ha ha, nope. I read his Black Widow and man, what a lot of feminazi claptrap.
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>>79068571
Have you read Altered Carbon?
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>>79068659
I don't feel like reading him, after such a bad experience. But then again, I stay away from scifi written after the early 1980s.
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>>79046437
Best twenty-two minute long toy commercial ever.
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>>79066496
Fuck you.
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>>79068811
See, that's exactly what his main characters love to do. Solipsists.
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>>79052543
>wooden barrel burns up in atmosphere
>fatfuck dies either from burning upon reentry or falling to death
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>>79051902
Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds (Inhibitor serie)
Pushing Ice also by Alastair Reynolds.
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>>79051902
Master of Formalities by Scott meyers
Off to be the wizard (magic 2.0 series) by Scott meyers, technically fantasy but its science-based.
Old Man's War(series) by John scalizi
The Andriod'so Dream by John scalzi
Red shirts by John scalzi
The man who folded himself(short story) by David Gerrold
The Last Question by Isaac Asimov
WORM by Wild bow (ONLINE ONLY) the author posted it progressivelyrics on his blog. Its a cape story set in modern time that's a mix of soft sci-fi and LovecraftIan fiction. It's my highest recommendation of this list.

All these are very soft sci-fi, with most of them being lighthearted comedies, except the last one.
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>>79051902

The "hardest" sci-fi I've read and enjoyed was "Camelot 30K". If you look it up on wikipedia don't read the ending.
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>>79073435
Is that at all similar to the Barr/Bolland comic?
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>>79073495
No. 30K is the temperature at which prawn-like aliens live on an ice planet in the kuiper belt.
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>>79071483
the ending of the trilogy sucks tho
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>>79068693
Shame, Altered Carbon is pretty fucking great. Never read his Black Widow though.
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>>79046054
You could, but the science wouldn't have to be the focus. A lot of hard sci-fi is less concerned with being a solid story and more concerned with the writer trying to show off how well they get science, which can read very boring.

There are also hard sci-fi purists, who are real autists about things and would cry at the first moment something isn't exactly right.

Not that I'd be against a hard sci-fi cartoon in principal, it can be a very interesting playing field for stories.
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>>79054296
>Because the more someone knows about a subject the more they feel the need to talk about how something fictional isn't accurate enough to real biology, chemistry, engineering, etc and just be total fuckin' buzzkills and you can't market anything to those people

This. I'm a big dinosaur guy, and though it does tickle me when they get dino feathers right, I don't really care that much.

At the end of the day, fiction is fiction. If realism was that important, we'd never get any great works of surreal art. Not that realism is necessarily bad in art; often it helps the story or message, but it's not a necessity for art at all.

>>79054330
I don't know, I think it could; it's just that most people don't want what hard sci-fi often falls on, which is a focus more on explaining the technology than the story or characters.
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>>79051902
Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars.
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What about hard sci-fi where you don't have to explain the hardcore science to the audience and those who give a fuck about it figure it out by themselves? that way you leave room for characters and story.
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>>79051902
I don't know how anyone hasn't mentioned Asimov's Foundation series.
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>>79051902
It is not about space but there is a book from the 70s called the Swarm that was better than it sounds. Lots of hard science in it.
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>>79076838
That's space opera.
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What would some hard sci fi comics be, if there are any?
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>>79077152
No, a space opera is when the creators don't give a fuck about how things work on their movies. A hard sci-fi would be well crafted in that regard but I still don't think it's necessary to infodump everything to the audience unless it's crucial to the story.
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>>79052129
Hyperion was so frustrating to read for me since it constantly swayed between amazing and shit.
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>>79051902
The Forever War
Randevouz with Rama
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>>79051902
The Player of Games
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>>79046127
Hard sci fi isn't intrinsically boring, it's just that the authors are so up their own ass that they forget that crafting a compelling narrative is actually part of the process

see: schild's ladder
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Rick and Morty could be considered hard sci fi in the sense it doesn't pull punches with the bleak nihilism inherent in a many worlds style multiverse.

A lot of the hard sf types like Bear or Baxter go full quantum magic science halfway through their stories anyway
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>>79052129
I found it really difficult to stomach, especially the tribe of retards. Stopped after the story about the girl with Merlin's disease.
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>>79077785
R&M is no more hard sci fi than fucking Futurama

>>79051902
Neuromancer
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>>79077660
Exactly, I feel like alot of hard scifi writers don't understand that their main goal is to create a compelling narrative, not to make an example or illustration of a hypothetical technology that they're currently lusting over.

Textbooks are not novels. It should not have to be said but I feel like some of the amateurs keep forgetting the distinction.
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>>79077785
You don't understand what hard sci-fi means.
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>>79046054
They exist but they're all anime.

I just want something Gundam-tier. The closest we got was Battlestar Galactica, but it fucked up by out-Tomino-ing Tomino.
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>>79068503
Nope. They catch him before he gets too far away.
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>>79066380
I hope not. Most hard sci-fi classic lit is some combination of unimaginative and depressing.
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>>79050966
Rimrunners
Blindsight (Echopraxia if you liked that, Watts' Rifters trilogy if you liked that)
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I agree with the anons who've said that hard sci-fi often ends up just being a writer's attempt to show off how much they know about the science behind recent physics discoveries. But I also think that the reason this becomes especially annoying is because hard sci-fi writers often use their setting as an excuse to make all their characters the dryest, most boring entities possible.

Sure, future technology will affect how people think and feel and interact with their world (hell, modern and past technologies also do this). Likewise, it definitely is possible for a strong writer to craft a story that's still engaging regardless of the characters, and the strongest of writers can ever turn that alieness of these characters into a fascinating hypothetical look at humanity's future. But at the end of the day, most writers just run with the excuses that future people have suppressed/enhanced their emotions to such an extent that their alien to modern day people, and then proceed to craft a story involving a series of unlikable people, cardboard cutouts, and so on.

It's the same thing with steampunk: people focus so much on the aesthetics of the setting that there's an entire "genre" based around the aesthetics, while characters are often shoddily crafted and then handwaved away as having "Victorian/Edwardian sensibilities." These sensibilities are (aside from being historically inaccurate, in many cases) written as stupidly alien, because the writer is focusing on wanking over the aesthetic of their world, and not bothering to work on other aspects of the story.
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>>79077855
>their main goal is to create a compelling narrative
Spotted the toi/lit/.
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>>79077957
Given that you didn't understand my post, I'm fairly sure I've read and understood more hard sci fi than you.
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>>79046127
>going too hard can be boring as fuck

Read more. Authors like Kim Stanley Robinson have made highly entertaining stories that are hard as diamond.
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>>79066380

Have Spacesuit, Will Travel has been optioned for god knows how long. Whether anything comes out of it is another matter entirely.
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>>79051902
>>79054170
Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge isn't part of a series, but it arose out of a concept that he explored in a novella (Fast Times at Fairmont High) and a short story (Synthetic Serendipity).
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>>79078579
This anon is on point.

Couple that with the fact that hard sci-fi purists are one of the worst fanbases on Earth. The quality of a story isn't in how closely it reflects reality, especially the minute details of reality.
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>>79065155
Not going to lie the anime adaption sucked
It was well animated and had a god tier soundtrack but the plot was lost in the adaption.
Read the manga while listening to the anime's OST and you will have a much better time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIyPRh-72Y
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>>79065332
Science Fiction that strictly complies with current scientific understanding without losing itself too much with pie in the sky speculation or pseudoscience techno babble.
So for example a story set in space with no aliens, or psychic powers or FTL.
Gravity,Moon,Interstellar,and 2001 are all fairly hard sci fi movies.
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>>79066496
No he was just a slut that wanted to fuck everything with a pulse including his own family members and some barnyard animals, there is a difference.
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>>79080574
Moon is a great example of how to dodge a lot of the pitfalls of hard sci-fi, too.

Without giving too much away, the character really is the centre of the story. Sure, technology has a key role to play, but it isn't just an excuse to show us a technical manual. The realistic nature of the technology shown serves the story, not the other way around.
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>>79078875
>sandniggers in space
Dropped right there and so should you.
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>>79051902
Foundation
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>>79046054
Zootopia. They aren't just characters who happen to be animals, they are animals.
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>>79081228
Well. They still look more anthro than actual animals, but I guess you're right, it's harder than the average anthro cartoon, considering they take topics such as discrimination between species and rabies into account.
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>>79080633
Why? Its space, its not like there's a bouncer who decides who can enter.
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>>79077567

this is the only guy who mentioned the forever war?

fuck you /co/, bump
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>>79052819
In dune laser guns cause energy shields to explode like they were nukes. Herbert's knowledge of science clearly stopped at biology.
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>>79080574
>Interstellar
>Hard sci-fi

Only in the first half would I consider it that. When the shit with the magic time traveling black hole happens at the end its goes straight to fantasy. A dragon might as well show up at that moment.
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>>79058432
The cannon was on Deimos, one of the moons.
Impact and Blasphemy respectively. Douglas Preston is the author, got them both sitting on my shelf.

>>79077052
Was that the one with the jelly getting into marine life and altering their behaviour?
That was a good read.
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>>79066380
what is .webm from?
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>>79046054
I require some pretty fucking hard sci fi to magnify the thumbnail you put up there you stupid fucking ant. Quit trying to overthrow humanity, get back to your salt mines.
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>>79085468
Dragons did show up... me dragon my ass towards the exit. Fuck that ending.
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>>79046054
Hard Sci FI is not authomatically good Sci Fi.
Scientist can be entertained with normal fiction too.
Look how many scietist love Star Wars or Star Trek.
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>>79076851
No alien babes to fap to
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>>79051902
HFY Deathworlders

Scifi made by /tg/ anons for all anons everywhere
http://hfy-archive.org/book/deathworlders/chapter-01-kevin-jenkins-experience
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>>79051902
A Canticle for Lebowitz, not a series, but its great.
Revelation space has been recommended.
Perdito street station is neat, not sure what to classify it as.
Old Man's War
The Forever War
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>>79052971
>http://dirt-lab-dispatch.blogspot.ca/2015/09/potatoes-on-mars-part-first.html
Jesus christ you are fucking retard
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>>79046054

I would KILL for an anime of Albedo. Oddly I wouldn't trust anything but an Anime studio. Not western. No CGI. Proper 2D science fiction.

Easily run 3-4 Seasons.

Season 1: Dornthanti incident through mining colony conspiracy, ending with the colony ship discovery (Issues 1-14)
Season 2: Opening with the ILR side and ending with the infamous cliffhanger (Issues 15-24)
Season 3: The death march exile, and ending with the escape and internal decline of the EDF, reveal of Net (issues 25-32)
Season 4: Opening with an overview of the decline of galactic trade networks, collapse of infrastructure, focus on crumbling politics of one planet, ending with the abandonment of it's cause
(Sequel issues 1-2)
Season 5: Survivor's integration into rebirth of the trade network and the political instability, now complicated by the net's more powerful agents, ending with an uncertain future

>>79064808
>>79066586
He actually shits all over The Expanse, it's kind of funny. Based his on USAF/Vietnam experiences, so his own was also solid.
>Less melodrama than I was lead to fear, but still has some real bugs for me. The key one is that there are no secrets in space. Everyone can see you and everyone can hear you. Ever time you light up an engine or turn on a transmitter, everyone in the solar system will eventually know about it. And everyone will be in the business of knowing where everyone else is and exactly what they are doing. The central weakness of all too many space stories is acting like space can be selectively opaque-black. A problem I have with the scenario is that I can't find credible that monitor technology wouldn't be keeping tabs on everyone all the time, whether they like it or even know it or not. True, that would kill most of the story
Where half the arching plot points in Albedo revolved around the fact ConFed was a proper panoptocon, and combat took weeks over an entire solar system using kinetic ACVs (lots of waiting) and PD beam weaps.
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>>79090332
>Albedo
Hey I remember this!
Old as shit and not particularly good art. Quite interesting, but I don't think I ever read it all.
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>>79051902
>>79076807
This anon has the right idea.
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>>79090644

He's finally starting to upload things on his FA page, with talk of making new issues. He's already up to page 4 of in 9 days. At this rate he'll upload the whole comic in 2.5 years, which I think is the intent to give himself more time for starting on new stuff.

How far did you read?
I was working on a completed archival of it in 2015, and was only two issues short of high-quality scan sources he finally started uploading. Reverse murphy's law, he only started uploading it finally because I was nearly done myself.
It is "complete" now but of mixed quality sources, unfortunately the big Volume 2 finale is potato quality still.
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>>79090978
shit his upload comments are pretty interesting actually

>With directed energy weapons and hypervelocity missiles from orbit, any conventional combat aircraft would be sitting ducks. The idea is to first secure local space and orbit, suppressing ground action as much as possible from orbit, and only then committing landing forces. Aerodynes are available for close air support, providing the role of close support strike aircraft and helio gunships and landing craft. But they are only deployed to deal with those residual ground forces. The military doctrine in general is to achieve overwhelming dominance of the whole planetary, if not system wide, situation before committing to any combat in detail. The notion of conventional forces slugging it out in any kind of conventional fashion as we know it would be a complete non-starter, not with the advantage taking the higher ground available. Similarly, there are no space fighters, as putting a pilot in a ship that would be expected to commit to extreme maneuveing, high acceleration, and days, if not weeks or more in transit or tactical positioning would only be a handicap to its performance and tactical options. And a pilot can't do anything a good AI couldn't do quicker. The ACVs, autonomous combat vehicles can carry all kinds of sub-munitions or be weapons platforms.
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>>79091153
>I try to use common sense designs and try not to be too "fashionable". For example, starting in the '80s, nearly everyone drew tanks as bad copies of M1 Abrams which promptly dated the art. The wheeled vehicles here are not unlike Soviet era wheeled armored scout cars and such, not to imply anything between the ILR with the Soviet Union, but simply as that would be the reasonable result of large wheels and sloped armor on smallish scouts. Most artists don't bother to actually design stuff, and instead just copy the current thing. A decade or so earlier, the tanks would look like M60s, (and a couple decades earlier, M47s) and likely any art done right now would be M1s with the current TUSK supplemental armor, regardless of how applicable such might actually be in some future scenario and new/better/different technology. As for our current designs, they more reflect technological second-guesses of military needs, but are likely more a matter of the current compromise of what the military might want versus what it might really need versus what it can actually get- and by extension, what "current" technology can deliver. Keeping in mind that there is often a substaintial lag between what an R&D lab might work up and when it might actually get into production or in the field.

>The idea of a fast airborne assault, especially the later EDF response to the invasion, was more inspired by the USAF Son Tay, Mayaguez, and Tehran rescue attempts. I was in the AF in Germany when the Tehran rescue attempt happened and had previously been in the Special Ops organization where the team came out of, even knew one of the officers lost.
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>>79090978
>How far did you read?
Not far AFAIR.
>mixed quality sources
That might've been it for the most part.
I remember having difficulties actually reading it and have a connection of this being case of ass quality art, but yeah, crap scans could do it for me.

>>79091153
Some interesting take on space combat is mentioned in the Mass Effect 1 codec entries. It too is quite soundly based in the "science" part of sci-fi. Take a look there if you haven't.
Also, post the goddamn link already.

>>79091195
>what the military wants, can have and actually gets
Is this the case of the newest fighter jet.
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>>79090978
w2c?
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>>79091442
Honestly I never cared for Mass Effect. It kind of shit the bed if you wanted it to actually practice what it preached for that sort of thing. Was an OK space opera though.

>Also, post the goddamn link already.
http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/stevegallacci/
He just uploaded page 4. If he doesn't lose focus again hopefully this will run on pace with a webcomic.
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>>79091494
>furaffinity
Promotions here I come!
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>>79065155
How far did you get into it? I've seen a lot of people recommend at least past episode 6 to gauge it (although I liked it even up to that point).
What I like was that it was very well-crafted, with things that seemed to be jokes or throwaway in the beginning coming around in the end to have impact on the main theme & plot.
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>>79091442
>crap scans
Speaking of which I can get decent scans for everything except 2-3 issues (of 32) as I said before. I got physical copies and made some swaps because there aren't enough physical copies in circulation (Print runs were 500-1000 at most).

Does anybody care though? I had quit. Otherwise I had physical copies and/or decent scans already lying around. Just got lazy and he's finally uploading it so...
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>>79076363
This is my biggest problem with the hard sci-fi I've tried to read. I read fiction for characters/plot/themes, not in-depth scientific explanations of minutia. If I wanted to read science literature, I'd go read a journal.
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>>79091631
I try not to have prejudice against genres but between this and the fact that everyone always recommends the same damn books it really looks like people just say they like hard sci-fi to look smart people who like science.
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>>79078365
I feel the sort of stories Gundam tells are superseded by stuff like Band of Brothers here. There's plenty enough real-life war stories and a solid audience for them, so why take a risk on an invented narrative?
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>>79091654
For me the main problem is that hard sci-fi doesn't often go into what I think is the most interesting part of sci-fi-- not just how science and technology advance, but how these advances affect interhuman relationships and cultures, and how they are affected by the already existing societal structures. Almost all of my favorites for this are the softest, handwavey sci-fi you can think of.
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>>79046054
Is the science in question entomology?
Cuz that picture is for ants.
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>>79091494
It has more going on than it seems, but then again, it's mostly codec entries.

>>79091545
>Does anybody care though?
Dunno.
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>>79091756
That's why the groundbreaking sci-fi is rarely hard sci-fi, the point of it should be the what-if.

Hard sci-fi is usually opposed to pulp but it's really just the same stuff plus realism.
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>>79051902

Fred Hoyle's novels might be dated or too "British" for some, but they were hard scifi. Best IMO were Trouble with Lichen and Black Cloud.Either of those could have inspired dramatic film adaptations.I didn't like what was done with Day of the Triffids, however.
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>>79089130
the expanse, scyfy series
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>>79046609
>>79046706
>>79052971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9UXXAmlTg
Annoying voice, but some theories.
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