>>79045136 It wasn't nearly as bad as Family Guy's plummet. It's biggest crimes were some pretty weak plots and making either exaggerating character traits or flat out making characters act out of character for the sake of plot convenience. But they still managed to carry some decent jokes as well as a couple episodes on par with the pre-CC stuff. It wasn't great, but it wasn't offensively bad.
Some of the Comedy Central episodes were immediately dated since they tried making references to pop culture of our time. Like the Fox episodes did this sometimes, but it was typically self aware, made it a parody of something current, or referenced it in a way that made it so it wasn't dated. the CC episodes just straight up made random-ass Kardashian jokes and iPhone jokes.
Eh, I've come to the conclusion that Futurama gets the praise it receives by simply being slightly above average with a high percentage of good episodes to bad ones. Like, I can't name many bad episodes, but I can name even fewer golden-age Simpsons or King of the Hill tier episodes.
Honestly I feel if Futurama pulled a Simpsons and had an absolutely abysmal second half, /co/ would never talk about it.
Maybe I have shit taste, but I honestly think the only good season of Futurama was the first (and maybe second) one(s).
I liked when Fry was an "everyman" of mediocre intelligence who had a semi-cool attitude, rather than being a silly retard. I liked Leela much better when she was tough, stern, asskicking, and waifuable, rather than increasingly a ditz. I also liked the humor better when it was more deadpan and "sitcommy".
Season 1 was about an everyman exploring a crazy future and was permeated by a sense of awe and alienation. Unfortunately, it very quickly transformed into a show about a colossal idiot doing comically stupid things in a mundane world that is exactly like the present day except with random sci-fi references. So instead of neat gags about future society, like the suicide booths or the moon being a tourist trap, you just have endless "Fry is an idiot" and "Bender is amazing" jokes.
The seasons after this started to feel more forced and childish in their humor, more - dare I say - "Reddit"-type humor. The parts in s3-4 where, say, zoidberg gets a gun; the Professor randomly gets naked; or General pac-man dies and his wife comforts him - to me, that's lolrandom humor, or Reddit/meme humor.
I disagree wholeheartedly but can see how you might feel that way. The thing about Futurama's humor is it's targeted towards a very specific demographic whereas the Simpsons in their golden age was something anyone could sit down and identify with. Futurama at its best is a smarter show but what makes it smarter than than the Simpson's is exactly what makes it easier to lose people. It's a very dense show despite being happy to appear stupid. I can agree though that the very best of Futurama doesn't really stack up with the best of the Simpson's. The Simpson's at it's peak is some of the best shit ever put on a television whereas the best of Futurama is just some really damn good TV.
Like most of you guys said, I think the pre-cancellation stuff is pretty timeless. It was always a good cartoon and sometimes felt like old-school science fiction short stories played as comedy. There was an atmosphere to it I can't put my finger on, it didn't just feel like a bunch of writers throwing 'bits' together. There was some real love and craft to it. Everything since has been entertaining enough I guess but nothing memorable and suffers a lot from 'WHOAH THE KARDASHIANS BUT IN JARS??!?!'
>>79046802 I know Futurama is a smart show. Any show that comes up with its own language, even one as scarcely used as the alien language, is worth its salt. Plus I recall reading about it coming up with some bafflingly complicated equation solely for a background joke or something like that?
I get that the shows adhere to different tastes but my point was the show was good because... Well, it was good, and wasn't loaded with a fuckton of bad episodes to muddy up the show's name and reputation. Like it was on average a great show, but had fewer God-like peaks like the early Simpsons had. Ya feel me?
>>79044756 It aged very well. The first four seasons are pretty much as good as they were back in the day. If I hadn't seen them fifty billion times already they would still be funny. The movies and later seasons weren't very good to begin with so there's not much to say about them.
That being said classic Futurama is still my favorite cartoon comedy series ever.
>>79047141 >Plus I recall reading about it coming up with some bafflingly complicated equation solely for a background joke or something like that? Yep, the writers came up with a whole new theorem just for a single episode. They showed the whole thing in the background.
Futurama writers are ridiculously overqualified and have degrees in maths and physics and shit.
Pre-cancellation is pretty much 10/10 for the most part, holding up extraordinarily strong even today. Post-cancellation has a lot of weak episodes for sure but by the last half of the revival it hit its stride again I'd say most of those hold up pretty well too. The Late Philip J Fry, for example, is probably one of my top 3 favorite episodes and the finale is the second best series finale it had.
>>79046468 I've been wondering about this shit a lot lately I think it's because the writers for shows are getting younger and younger and in schools they're showed shitty movies then upon analysis there's deeper levels within the context so they're told it's actually good, because it's social commentary, but the imitations from people nowadays are so fucking devoid of nuance that I've dropped 3 shows in the past month, all by the BBC which is the worst contender I've been rewatching Futurama lately and I've had so much fun laughing at this shit, even realising that the "goodnight sweet prince" is from the anthologies of interest episodes, but I'm terrified of getting to the reboot for shit like this and I was also told that the latest seasons have tons of celebrity shit, on the same tier as Zombie Simpsons
I can just tell that when they were writing that episode that one of the senior people, probably David X Cohen, only allowed the Fry and Amy relationship to happen if it was in that episode only, because they were super attached to making Fry/Leela the endgame.
I hate that show creators come up with what they think the best couple when writing the series bible or whatever, and basically bitch and complain when they refuse to let go of the idea.
Not saying that Fry and Amy would have necessarily made a good couple, just that the "first girl wins" plot structure is really kind of stupid most of the time.
My thoughts on the matter is this: I like Fry and Leela getting together but I think they went about it awkwardly, having Fry do some really death-defying things to protect or impress Leela and her never coming around.
If they had handled her resistance more tactfully, it would have made a better character attribute.
>>79047737 The newer episodes are far from post-Season 9 Simpsons bad. They have a pretty rocky beginning, but around The Late Phillip J. Fry, it starts to come back together. There are a lot of episodes that are easily skipped, though.
>>79047972 The problem is that they kept resetting and resetting it. Like, okay, they show them going to the next level in The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings. And that's great, that's a good episode - but then Bender's Big Score happens, and whoops! Now they're back to the will-they-or-won't-they. Then BBS shows them taking it to the next level again, and whoop! Beast with a Billion Backs. Then Into the Wild Green Yonder again, and whoop! Then Overclockwise and whoop! By the time of the finale, they'd taken their relationship to the next level like eight times. And it's not like all of those come-arounds were bad, but every time they had to actually write Fry and Leela as a couple, they quickly chickened out.
I'm re-watching the first 4 seasons now and they're still great. The odd outdated joke here and there but most of it still holds up fine.
Dunno what that other anon is talking about, season 4 is clearly the best. But they're all pretty good.
Never watched the reboot but I've heard the criticism. Still have them on DVD so I'll watch some day. But as heartbreaking as it was that it got originally cancelled, the original season 4 ending is absolutely PERFECT. I love it.
I actually agree with the everyman thing, which is why I hate the whole "Nibbler sent Fry to the future etc etc" thing. It completely removes Fry's status as a lucky, or unlucky, regular dude by making him the chosen one who's immune to mind control because he's a retard and was sent to the future on purpose rather than through dumb luck.
>>79046468 The later seasons were even worse. Zoidberg falling in love with a chick who can't smell, the one where Bender looses his ass, all completely forgettable. At least the early cc seasons had a few good ones like the one where Bender is looking for inspector 6.
>>79048607 >Anyway, your immunity is due to the fact that you lack the delta brainwave. It's a genetic abnormality which resulted when you went back in time and performed certain actions which made you your own grandfather.
>>79048426 >At least the early cc seasons had a few good ones like the one where Bender is looking for inspector 6.
This episode was terrible and I hate how it gets praise.
It was easily the worst example the writing staff's desire to redo Luck of the Fryrish.
The writing was terrible, the main plot point was completely contradicted episodes later when Bender becomes a fucking ghost and Robot Hell stops being metaphorical, and two otherwise talented voice actors were delivering plot developments like Dora the Explorer.
In one of the movies they explain that Fry went back in time and actually spent a lot of time with the dog as it got older, basically retconning that the dog didn't wait years for him to come back so much as he waited for him for about a day at a time for him to back from work or wherever, so what we saw at the end of the original episode were just snapshots taken at a certain time of day.
>>79049076 To be fair their ghosts also had an explanation, it's dumb but it's not like Bender actually had a soul or anything. >>79049072 >>79048931 In the flash back he's show hanging out with Yancy and also his nephew knows him.
>>79048893 No game of tones was the worst example of them trying to mimic luck of the fryish. All lethal inspection did was have a cute little Bender at the end. And maybe I haven't seen the episode in a while because I don't remember that one having anything to do with robot hell.
>>79049469 Bender also has a few lines that suggest he had a childhood in the original series like when he was in the mob and they tell him to avoid there police to which Bender responds "just like mom used to say". Also the episode where they are aging in reverse.
>>79048315 How did you get that from that? Before, she had seen the whole situation as trivial enough to bet on a coin flip. After being faced with the alternate outcome and seeing just how much impact it had on her life, she opted to actually make the decision to go on a date with him instead of wondering what could have been if the coin flip had turned out differently.
>>79049596 They change Bender's childhood like every 5 episodes. One episode he says his mom is the assembly line crane, implying he was assembled directly into the Bender we know. Reverse aging episode shows him getting smaller and then turning into a CD for instructions on building a bending unit
If you add up all the percentages of materials he's apparently made of it's like 270%
His inner workings change for multiple gags, one time he gets a watch stuck in a bunch of gears inside him but other times it's completely empty.
Comedy trumps consistency when it comes to the little stuff
>>79049794 >If you add up all the percentages of materials he's apparently made of it's like 270% The writers used to try to justify that by claiming that he gets new casing from time to time, until it dawned on them just damn often they used "I'm 30% _____" jokes and they decided it wasn't worth trying to justify any more.
>>79050054 I mean I get what you're saying in general but Futurama has always played fast and loose with that kind of stuff
I also noticed on rewatch the last few weeks that a surprising amount of people die in the name of a joke on the show. Some of the main characters are murderers but it doesn't matter because it's all in the name of a joke.
>>79046623 Leela was a cyclops with limited dating prospects regarding a normal guy who didn't view her as a novelty girlfriend or otherwise disliked her appearance
When people are aware someone is attracted to them and aren't aware of any other prospects or prospects they'd actually consider then they'll end up considering a relationship even if in better circumstances they wouldn't
>>79046550 It's golden because it's objectively so-so. In the context of modern cartoons, it's one of the best, but it doesn't have the same edge over, as you said, KoTH or early Simpsons. We're nostalgic about the quality and humor they had, and Futurama comes close enough to satisfy when we've been spoiled on the fast food of television.
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