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These two run into each other at the gym and decide to have a friendly bout/spar in the gym's boxing ring.

Who are you beating your money on?
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>>79039968

Captain America, most likely, but it'd be a fun match.
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Cap doesn't have a family to go home to. Game, set and fucking match.
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>>79039968
>Army vs Chair Force
Top kek
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>>79039968
Guile, is a better fighter and has superpowers.
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>>79039968

How about Captain America vs. Batman?
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>>79039968
Guile. Street Fight power levels are pretty high as far as hand to hand fighting goes.
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>>79040057


This one canonically is stated to end with Captain America winning, but it'd be a REALLY long, protracted fight, so in essence it's most likely a draw.
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Does anyone know Guile's feats?
From what I know he's just a strong man with low level powers
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They can both bond over their best friends dying decades ago then coming back as cyborgs.
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>>79040148
If Cap can barely even beat Batman there's no way he can beat Guile.
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I mean... it's going to be Cap who comes out on top. And I'm saying this as someone who likes Guile more. They have a lot of parallels, but Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.
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>>79040242
I wanna see an edit of this but have Saitama teaching them his secret workout technique
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Walks into gym, sees Cap and Guile fighting. Now Alex wants in on the action.
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>>79040148
Please explain how Batman beat Deathstroke.
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>>79040310
Money
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>>79040243
>Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.
That means very little when Street Figher guys are kicking scud missles out of the air and shit. I mean Guile's sonic boom is literally him moving his arms at super sonic speed.
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Here comes a new challenger!
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Mvc2?
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>>79040310

Easy.

Power levels are bullshit.

Whoever wins in matchups depends on who's writing at the time, and what the purpose of the fight is.
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>>79040310
Prep time
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>>79040148
Really? I mean Bats took down Bane, who's more or less stronger than Cap.
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>>79040310
PIS
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>>79040400
Cap's good at fighting.
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>>79040419
I see more of a draw than Cap winning, but cap winning is probable too.
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>>79040400

It was from JLA/Avengers by Busiek, and it was Batman admitting the fact himself.

Now, you COULD make the argument that Bats actually could take Captain America out, but he was trying to angle into an alliance so that they could waste less time fighting and actually figure out what the fuck was going on instead.
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>>79039968
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>>79040464
>implying they both won't figure out it's a setup, and then team-up to take down the unholy alliance of Shocker-Hydra by kicking everything in the face

We've been through this argument before.
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>>79040464
Justice prevails!
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>>79040464
OP here. As much as I love Kamen Rider, Hongo isn't the friendly sparring type.
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>>79040148
>This one canonically is stated to end with Captain America winning,

Nope, the canon is that anyone could win, that's what batman said.
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>>79040464

There is literally no way possible for this to result in a battle to the death. Neither of them would be willing to kill each other, and any force that tries to set up that circumstance is going to find itself on the receiving end of some pretty brutal JUSTICE as a result.
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>>79040540

No I remember Batman saying it would be a really long fight that would exhaust both of their resources, but that Cap had a slight edge over him.
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>>79039968
It's a friendly spar so no point in betting on it, since they won't be going all-out.
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>>79039968
>a friendly bout/spar
There are no winners, they just warm up and never really go all out
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>>79040127
>Guile. Street Fight power levels are pretty high as far as hand to hand fighting goes.

Cap can survive falls from 10-20 stories high and hit the ground running. I'd say he could beat most Street Fighters, other than the few real powerhouses (Akuma, Gouken, Bison with full psycho power, etc).
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>>79040521

Yeah that scenario wouldn't work for this set-up, but even if we go with the "each superhero is mistakenly led to believe that the other is actually a villain", that won't last long into the fight. Neither of them are THAT stupid. (Shit, Hongo has a canonical 600 IQ or some bullshit)
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>>79040621
>Cap can survive falls from 10-20 stories high and hit the ground running.
So? Cammy survived falling from a chopper and she's like the lowest tier among street fighter people. And no vibranium shield either.
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>>79040521
>>79040624
>autism
Forget about the scenario. Its a simple fucking question. Jesus christ.
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>>79040243
>They have a lot of parallels, but Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.

In his universe. In the SF universe rules are different.

>>79040310
Bruce is a better fighter, has better gadgets and is smarter. But when he fights like a retard (he is prone to that when fighting skilled people since he is too proud to cheat or use gadgets against them) Deathstroke has demolish him.

>>79040451
>It was from JLA/Avengers by Busiek, and it was Batman admitting the fact himself.

He didnt said that, he said Eventually he COULD win, as in it was anyone's fight. Also Bane got rekt by the shield in that.

>>79039968
Not guile, but charlie.

The peak human of the SF universe is RYU.
In the DB universe is krillin and he can fucking fly

Peak human is just the limit of a human in his respective universe. Nothing more.
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>>79040678
So doesn't that kind of prove his point that Cap is somewhere in the Street fighter tier?
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>>79040707

Taking the actual character and how they'd behave in a set-up is important to writing an effective scene, you idiot. If you ignore that then we might as well just be calculating numbers and comparing checklists instead.

Talking power levels is never as interesting as discussing how a character would react and behave in a specific situation, and how they would interact with a different character from another work.THAT'S the fun of discussing crossovers. Not "who would win?", but "what would they do?"
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>>79039968
>beating your money
Is that what we're calling masturbation now?
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>>79040752
>writing an effective scene
We're not writing a fucking screenplay you jackass.
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>>79040773

Well obviously not. You're clearly here just to insult everyone rather than adding anything worthwhile to the conversation.
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Game power levels are even more pointless than other power levels since they change as the mechanics and game balance demand. As I understand it, Guile is just a tough guy with a few techniques.
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>>79040773

Then why do you even care? Is this just a dick-measuring contest? You may as well just take two robots with no personalities, one with Cap's power/skillset and one with Kamen Rider's power/skillset and then ask who would win in a fight.
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GOOD WORK SOLDIER
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>>79040731
Is akuma human? Hes way fucking stronger than ryu. He punches meteors out of the sky just as akuma. As full power as Oni, he punches a volcano from the inside hard enough for it to erupt, and SURVIVE IT UNSCATHED.

https://youtu.be/wh1jJzpHStA
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Cap sure as hell can't get in. Putting my money on guile
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>>79040492
I wonder who would betray the other first, Red Skull or Great Leader?
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>>79039968
Cap would top guile tbhfam
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>>79040621
>I'd say he could beat most Street Fighters,

And you would be wrong.

>>79040572
And you are wrong. It's pretty clear that he says that anyone could win.
Could =/= would.
That said in an open field 6/10 wins cap
Naked bruce vs naked steve 6/10 would win bruce
And if steve is stupid enought to let Batman choose the place qhere they fight (like in the sewers) Batman has a huge edge.
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>>79040829
>Is this just a dick-measuring contest? You may as well just take two robots with no personalities, one with Cap's power/skillset and one with Kamen Rider's power/skillset and then ask who would win in a fight.
Yes! That is a vs thread. In those retarded death battle videos they don't go "but how was Superman feeling that day? What did Goku have to eat that morning?"
You guys that wanna make fan fiction always suck all the fun out of it because you always conclude that the fight never happens.
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>>79040148

>This one canonically is stated to end with Captain America winning

No it's not. Batman states it's "conceivable" that Cap could beat him, then they stop fighting and team up. Something being conceivable is not the same as being an absolute truth.
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>>79040871
>Is akuma human?

Nope, that's why i said ryu, Akuma, Bison, and the likes of them should be considered superhuman.
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I can see Guile taking out Red Skull pretty easy, but could Cap take out Bison?
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>>79040752
>>79040829
Not the previous dude but you both do seem to have autism. Take it to the KMC forums if you want detailed scenarios like where the fuck they are fighting and shit
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>>79040744
He would have been street pizza without that shield.
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>>79040881
lel. naw
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>>79040874

Red Skull is a nazi with bad complexion.

Great Leader is an ancient monk who attained functional godhood and shed all semblance of human emotion or weakness.

Hydra would get subsumed into Shocker so fast and then we'd get Dai-super-extreme-Shocker or some shit like this.
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>>79040906
>could Cap take out Bison?
No fucking way.
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>>79040896

Because it's more fun to talk about how two heroes we like would team up, rather than rooting for them to turn the other into a bloody pulp.
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well think about it like this.
are there any comparatively normal people in marvel that have given cap trouble?
i know batroc has.
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>>79040968
Then make your own crossover fanfiction circle jerk threads leave the power level circle jerk threads be.
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i'm sure cap can do this pretty easily, but considering ryu can at all should show how strong people can get in the sf world
it might be a good fight
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>>79040464
Kamen Rider fucking destroys.
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>>79041063
Ultimate Cap maybe. 616 cap tops out at about 1500 lbs. benching and even less for actually lifting shit over hias head,
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>>79041081

Kamen Rider power levels are all over the fucking place just as bad as comic books' though. What are you using as a reference to support that?
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>>79040896

I don't get it. Why do people want heroes fighting or even killing each other? Why would anyone care who would win when good guys get into a tussle? They're the fucking good guys!
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would he be able to deal with chun-li's gigantic legs?
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>>79041169
>Hey is Spider-Man stronger than Captain America
>WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ASK THAT THEY'RE BOTH GOOD GUYS A BLOO BLOO BLOO
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>>79041272
Thanks anon. I'm gonna go fap to Chun-li.
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>>79041063
Those are several tones. The difference is huge, ryu, guile, chun li, they are all well beyond the limits of cap.

>>79041119
Ultimate is around 2-3 tones, 616 is around 1 and a little more after he got the powerup in the 80's.
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>>79041354
don't let me stop you
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>>79041169
The same reason people watch boxing, MMF, Football, Hockey, and essentially all sports
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>>79041453
*MMA
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>>79041327

There's a difference between comparing accomplishments / lifting strength and "if the two were put into a deathmatch arena, who would pull off the other one's head and drink the blood from their severed neck while gargling in ancient Aztec".
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>>79041489
The point isn't a bunch of edgelord violence nignog. Its just attempts at objective evaluation and comparison of character abilities. Quit being such a baby.
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>>79041272
Got damn dem gams.
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>>79041547
>The point isn't a bunch of edgelord violence nignog.
Why do they call the "objective evaluation and comparison of character abilities" death battles?
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>>79041656
That's only that one shitty youtube channel.
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>>79041684
an insanely popular youtube channel whose videos have sparked terrible discussion on 4chan multiple times
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>>79041762
What is your point?
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One of them has Guile's Theme. The other does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGw8DWctAts
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>>79040752
Death Battle removes morals and mercy but keeps everything else
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>>79041434
here's a cammy
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>>79041790
That it is just a bunch of edgelord violence
The discussions are never about who is stronger or who has done more incredible things
The discussions are about who would beat the other one in a fight, and they cite the incredible feats of strength as evidence to support their claims of who would kill whom
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>>79041938
>The discussions are never about who is stronger
>The discussions are about who would beat the other one in a fight
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>>79041900
and an R mika for good measure
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>>79041938
>waaaaah people are imagining muh fictional characters are fighting
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>>79041169
Alright, which death triggered you the most
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>>79040464
Does /co/ have good toku discussion?
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>>79041984
strong =/= able to win in a fight
Darkseid is stronger than batman, and yet batman has beaten him on multiple occassions
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>>79042108
Exactly. That's why the "versus" part is important because it contextualize their abilities. Are catching on now?
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>>79042103
only sometimes...after the kids have gone to bed.
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>>79040303
>turns into a wrestling match with all 3 in underwear
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>>79041985
R. Mika and Yoko Harmageddon vs. The Grapplers

Cage Match, at SummerSlam, who takes home the belt?!?
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>>79042150
Like I said, all the discussions are about edgelord violence with citations
>contextualize their abilities
which is what all the deathbattles do
Are you ready to not be an idiot?
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>>79040731
Deathstroke is smarter and a way better fighter than bruce, stop lying
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>>79042207
How is saying one character can beat another edgy? How is coming to the conclusion that one character would win over another violent?
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>>79042207
Exactly which part of discussing characters fighting one another triggers you? I'll be sure to put a warning next time.
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>>79042264
It's not just saying that
It's an entire discussion revolving around violence/power which that uses a characters strongest most powerful acts of violence/power as evidence for how strong a character can be
it's almost literally the definition of edge, the strongest most powerful a character can be fighting the other strongest most powerful character and then killing them
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>>79042103

If it does 404 or get shitposted to death in the meantime. At its best, you'll accidentally thing you've tabbed over to an /m/ thread which means it's still shit
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yeah but who has the best theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL1xnxPRvgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Uk8SwsLps
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>>79040464
Teamup/Hand-shake aside, Hongo would easily destroy Captain America.
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>>79039968
Unless Cap keeps jumping into Flash Kicks, his shield could absorb a Sonic Boom no problem.

I wanted to go with Guile but dat vibranium.
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>>79042329
How is it that you read capeshit if the very concept of fight is so edgy to you?
>and then killing them
Yeah my favorite part of versus threads where at the end we describe at length the gruesome acts committed by the agreed upon winner. There's usually necrophilia involved.
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OP here. Just wanted to share the fun of a friendly bout with two of some of my favorite characters, but ends up becoming a discussion of battle versus philosophy.

Never change /co/.
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>>79040968
No, not really.
They're both equally fun and retarded because either way you're just imagining scenarios.
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>>79042210
Deathstroke is not even in the top 10 of best fighters you idiot, and no, deathstroke is not smarter, he can think 10 times faster than a normal human. Fuck off.
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>>79042464

Derailing innocent threads is what /co/ does best.
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>>79042433

Pretty much, but that's mainly because Cap is still only the pinnacle of HUMAN fitness. All the Showa Riders are modded cyborgs who can way surpass what's physically possible by a human.
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>>79042449
>all capeshit is edgy because it has fighting
how can one person take every argument thrown at him the wrong way every time?
>Yeah my favorite part of versus threads where at the end we describe at length the gruesome acts committed by the agreed upon winner
hyperbole isn't an argument
have you not actually been in a "versus" thread before?
common arguments in "versus threads"
Goku teleporting Superman to a universe with red suns only
Superman throwing Batman (and everyone else) into the sun
etc
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Gee, idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMV2hnlcmgU

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW8_usG_B0E
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This is stupid because in street fighter world martial ats = super powers, and in comic world martial arts = something 9 out of 10 people know

This is why these crossovers only work as fun cuh razay games with no real story, if martial arts makes you a super hero cap would be able to shoot hadokens by farting
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>>79042622
Uh, in SF ki attacks can destroy entire islands
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>>79042695
Just because Akuma can destroy an island doesn't necessarily means Guile could as well
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>not captain commando
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>>79042620
Do you seriously consider that edgy? It's not like we're describing in detail the way Batman is roasted by radiation, or the way Supes freezes and asphyxiates at the same time.
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>>79042620
>Goku teleporting Superman to a universe with red suns only
>Superman throwing Batman (and everyone else) into the s
That's not edgy. These are both plausible strategies considering their powersets. Goku's power to teleport and Superman's strength used in context to find a way to beat the other guy. The point of the discussion is for one of them to come out the winner so why are you upset when someone devises a way for that to happen? That shit isn't even the least bit edgy.
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>>79042824
>Other things he uses are the "Captain Goggles", the "Captain Protector", the "Captain Gauntlet" and the "Captain Boots". His Captain Goggles can help him identify a criminal's face at a distance of 2 Km, by comparing with database. His Captain Protector is made of super-tough material called "Captain Ceramic", which withstands up to a trillion degrees of heat. His Captain Gauntlet multiplies his power 48 times, making it easy for him to smash a thick iron plate. The Captain Boots make it possible for him to take a 100-meter fall with no injuries to himself, or any damage to his boots.
>Besides his natural gifts of a powerful mind and strong body, he also uses his "Energy Gloves," capable of shooting mighty bolts of fire and electricity. His Special Move is the "Captain Collider" (キャプテンコレダー), a sure-killing technique. Striking the ground with his Energy Gloves causes an electric shock flow in the floor, which kills everyone around him. His Dash Attacks are "Captain Cannon" (also known as "Captain Fire", キャプテンファイヤー) and "Captain Kick" (キャプテンキック). Captain Cannon torches the enemy with a blast of flame. Captain Kick can hit several enemies at once. Captain Commando can also grab his opponent and kick their stomach or throw their whole body.
http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Commando_(Character)
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>>79042695
uh, Cap has beaten RS with cosmic cube
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>>79042861
OP here.

Stop, stop, stop. It's time to pull the plug, let's not get into Goku VS Superman.

Hercules VS Kinniukuman VS John Cena in a three way fatal, table ladders and chairs match. FYI, for those who don't understand wrestling, a three way fatal is not a fatal as in death match. Just three guys see who can pull off the 3 count pin first.
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>>79042661

Difference is that in Marvel, one of the guys who used said 'martial arts' managed to blow a helicarrier in half and knocked out a guy who routinely gets knocked around by The Hulk and gets up unharmed.

There are levels of power in martial arts in comics and it varies from being able to beat normal guys in a street fight to being able to react and act as if you can predict the future.
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>>79042977
Man, I don't give a shit about Goku or Superman I was just using his example. As for as I'm concerned both Goku and Superman would lose to my OC.
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>>79042861
1. Goku can't teleport to places. He teleports to people. Without someone strong enough that he can sense them at the red sun, which isn't happening when they can't even routinely find new Namek without the help of King Kai, he literally can't teleport anywhere. This was a thing recently in Super since Goku admitted he could instantly transport him and Vegeta to Earth but he needed a power level to lock onto because he didn't have the Kai transport technique, which is what Buu and Kibito knew.
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>>79043042
Man I don't give a shit.
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>>79042839
You're doing it right now
>inb4 "I'm not describing it THAT much"

>>79042861
It is pretty edgy
>why are you upset when someone devises a way for that to happen?
That's the thing, there's no just one way for it to happen
People come up with complex fight scenarios about who will do what and how and then someone will disagree and tell their own version of the fight, repeat ad nasuem
Just go through the archive and read through old deathbattle/versus threads
Sure you'll say, it's just discussion, but it's also all of the things you say it's not
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>>79043084
>It is pretty edgy
No it isn't you baby.
>but it's also all of the things you say it's not
[see above]
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>>79043084
>hey I think X could by Y because...
>no way because Y would be able to...
>but one time in X did... So that wouldn't work
OH LAWD WHEN WILL THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE STOP?
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>>79042606
Could his shield take on a Rider Kick head on?
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>>79043246
Yeah. Vibranium, son.
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>>79042994
Nope, that was chi manipulation, not martial arts on their own. For fucks sake don't take things out of context.
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>>79043246
everyone except kabuto since time frozen means it wont vibrate to absorb shock
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>>79043563
Now I want to see All-Riders vs Avengers
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>>79043778
>Tendou, by the sheer virtue of being Tendou, is worthy of lifting Thor's hammer.
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>>79044379
Nah it would be something stupid like one rider isn't worthy but then another comes and compliments him and tries to lift it in unison and it moves a bit, and eventually more and more riders keep coming until collectively they have enough worthiness to lift it together.
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>>79044972
I don't think that's physically possible
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>>79045621
It's not
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>>79039968

Cap wipes the floor with him.

Steve is literally physically perfect, no normal human can match him
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>>79040882
cringe

>Batman has mastered all Martial Arts
>Batman is a master tactician, master strategist, master escape artist, and has 12 masters degrees with an IQ of 192
>Cap is only slightly stronger than Batman
>You think Batman has a better chance without his gadgets

Batman would beat Captain America
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>>79046376
lol no
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>>79046376

I think that the shield is a huge advantage. As is really big in an open field.
Naked Bruce can beat Naked rogers.

>>79046257
In the marvel universe, but his "perfection" is fairly low by SF levels, where lifting over 5 tones is not considered superhuman.

the shield is a huge advantage for steve, he can cut the distance and make batman kicks (those that hit harder than a car crash at 80Km/h) not a problem and make his strenght a factor, with the shield only gas based gadgets are a problem, and we all know that bruce would never use them if he wants to fight someone fairly equal, he loves to fight and to test himself.
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>>79046785
good argument, you've definitely demonstrated Cap should win

>>79046937
Considering what Batman usually carries, it wouldn't be much of an advantage for Cap.
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>>79040621

Even Balrog who is basically "just a boxer" can kill an Elephant with a single punch, yet his opponents can take multiple punches from him and can still do all sorts of crazy shit, let alone get knocked out.

Street Fighters are tough.
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>>79039968
Play Capcom vs Marvel 2
http://sonichurricane.com/?p=7232
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>>79040174
He is, but Street Fighter also has a pretty skewed, weird power level system, "regular" people in the Street Fighter universe are capable of jumping three or four times their own height and shooting fireballs and shit. At first I wanted to say Cap wins and Guile doesn't exactly embarrass himself, but when I think a bit it might not be that simple.
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>>79041272
>>79041434
>>79041900
>>79041985
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>>79047396

Guile is a tough fighter; Cap regularly wins against opponents with major powers. My money's on Cap, but the fight would be less interesting than the time spent afterwards sharing moves and swapping war stories.
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