These two run into each other at the gym and decide to have a friendly bout/spar in the gym's boxing ring.
Who are you beating your money on?
If Cap can barely even beat Batman there's no way he can beat Guile.
I mean... it's going to be Cap who comes out on top. And I'm saying this as someone who likes Guile more. They have a lot of parallels, but Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.
Walks into gym, sees Cap and Guile fighting. Now Alex wants in on the action.
>Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.
That means very little when Street Figher guys are kicking scud missles out of the air and shit. I mean Guile's sonic boom is literally him moving his arms at super sonic speed.
It was from JLA/Avengers by Busiek, and it was Batman admitting the fact himself.
Now, you COULD make the argument that Bats actually could take Captain America out, but he was trying to angle into an alliance so that they could waste less time fighting and actually figure out what the fuck was going on instead.
>implying they both won't figure out it's a setup, and then team-up to take down the unholy alliance of Shocker-Hydra by kicking everything in the face
We've been through this argument before.
There is literally no way possible for this to result in a battle to the death. Neither of them would be willing to kill each other, and any force that tries to set up that circumstance is going to find itself on the receiving end of some pretty brutal JUSTICE as a result.
>Guile. Street Fight power levels are pretty high as far as hand to hand fighting goes.
Cap can survive falls from 10-20 stories high and hit the ground running. I'd say he could beat most Street Fighters, other than the few real powerhouses (Akuma, Gouken, Bison with full psycho power, etc).
Yeah that scenario wouldn't work for this set-up, but even if we go with the "each superhero is mistakenly led to believe that the other is actually a villain", that won't last long into the fight. Neither of them are THAT stupid. (Shit, Hongo has a canonical 600 IQ or some bullshit)
>Cap can survive falls from 10-20 stories high and hit the ground running.
So? Cammy survived falling from a chopper and she's like the lowest tier among street fighter people. And no vibranium shield either.
>They have a lot of parallels, but Cap is the highest pinnacle of human physical ability.
In his universe. In the SF universe rules are different.
Bruce is a better fighter, has better gadgets and is smarter. But when he fights like a retard (he is prone to that when fighting skilled people since he is too proud to cheat or use gadgets against them) Deathstroke has demolish him.
>It was from JLA/Avengers by Busiek, and it was Batman admitting the fact himself.
He didnt said that, he said Eventually he COULD win, as in it was anyone's fight. Also Bane got rekt by the shield in that.
Not guile, but charlie.
The peak human of the SF universe is RYU.
In the DB universe is krillin and he can fucking fly
Peak human is just the limit of a human in his respective universe. Nothing more.
Taking the actual character and how they'd behave in a set-up is important to writing an effective scene, you idiot. If you ignore that then we might as well just be calculating numbers and comparing checklists instead.
Talking power levels is never as interesting as discussing how a character would react and behave in a specific situation, and how they would interact with a different character from another work.THAT'S the fun of discussing crossovers. Not "who would win?", but "what would they do?"
Game power levels are even more pointless than other power levels since they change as the mechanics and game balance demand. As I understand it, Guile is just a tough guy with a few techniques.
Then why do you even care? Is this just a dick-measuring contest? You may as well just take two robots with no personalities, one with Cap's power/skillset and one with Kamen Rider's power/skillset and then ask who would win in a fight.
Is akuma human? Hes way fucking stronger than ryu. He punches meteors out of the sky just as akuma. As full power as Oni, he punches a volcano from the inside hard enough for it to erupt, and SURVIVE IT UNSCATHED.
>I'd say he could beat most Street Fighters,
And you would be wrong.
And you are wrong. It's pretty clear that he says that anyone could win.
Could =/= would.
That said in an open field 6/10 wins cap
Naked bruce vs naked steve 6/10 would win bruce
And if steve is stupid enought to let Batman choose the place qhere they fight (like in the sewers) Batman has a huge edge.
>Is this just a dick-measuring contest? You may as well just take two robots with no personalities, one with Cap's power/skillset and one with Kamen Rider's power/skillset and then ask who would win in a fight.
Yes! That is a vs thread. In those retarded death battle videos they don't go "but how was Superman feeling that day? What did Goku have to eat that morning?"
You guys that wanna make fan fiction always suck all the fun out of it because you always conclude that the fight never happens.
>This one canonically is stated to end with Captain America winning
No it's not. Batman states it's "conceivable" that Cap could beat him, then they stop fighting and team up. Something being conceivable is not the same as being an absolute truth.
Red Skull is a nazi with bad complexion.
Great Leader is an ancient monk who attained functional godhood and shed all semblance of human emotion or weakness.
Hydra would get subsumed into Shocker so fast and then we'd get Dai-super-extreme-Shocker or some shit like this.
i'm sure cap can do this pretty easily, but considering ryu can at all should show how strong people can get in the sf world
it might be a good fight
I don't get it. Why do people want heroes fighting or even killing each other? Why would anyone care who would win when good guys get into a tussle? They're the fucking good guys!
would he be able to deal with chun-li's gigantic legs?
Those are several tones. The difference is huge, ryu, guile, chun li, they are all well beyond the limits of cap.
Ultimate is around 2-3 tones, 616 is around 1 and a little more after he got the powerup in the 80's.
don't let me stop you
There's a difference between comparing accomplishments / lifting strength and "if the two were put into a deathmatch arena, who would pull off the other one's head and drink the blood from their severed neck while gargling in ancient Aztec".
That it is just a bunch of edgelord violence
The discussions are never about who is stronger or who has done more incredible things
The discussions are about who would beat the other one in a fight, and they cite the incredible feats of strength as evidence to support their claims of who would kill whom
>The discussions are never about who is stronger
>The discussions are about who would beat the other one in a fight
Alright, which death triggered you the most
Deathstroke is smarter and a way better fighter than bruce, stop lying
It's not just saying that
It's an entire discussion revolving around violence/power which that uses a characters strongest most powerful acts of violence/power as evidence for how strong a character can be
it's almost literally the definition of edge, the strongest most powerful a character can be fighting the other strongest most powerful character and then killing them
Teamup/Hand-shake aside, Hongo would easily destroy Captain America.
How is it that you read capeshit if the very concept of fight is so edgy to you?
>and then killing them
Yeah my favorite part of versus threads where at the end we describe at length the gruesome acts committed by the agreed upon winner. There's usually necrophilia involved.
OP here. Just wanted to share the fun of a friendly bout with two of some of my favorite characters, but ends up becoming a discussion of battle versus philosophy.
Never change /co/.
No, not really.
They're both equally fun
and retardedbecause either way you're just imagining scenarios.
Derailing innocent threads is what /co/ does best.
Pretty much, but that's mainly because Cap is still only the pinnacle of HUMAN fitness. All the Showa Riders are modded cyborgs who can way surpass what's physically possible by a human.
>all capeshit is edgy because it has fighting
how can one person take every argument thrown at him the wrong way every time?
>Yeah my favorite part of versus threads where at the end we describe at length the gruesome acts committed by the agreed upon winner
hyperbole isn't an argument
have you not actually been in a "versus" thread before?
common arguments in "versus threads"
Goku teleporting Superman to a universe with red suns only
Superman throwing Batman (and everyone else) into the sun
This is stupid because in street fighter world martial ats = super powers, and in comic world martial arts = something 9 out of 10 people know
This is why these crossovers only work as fun cuh razay games with no real story, if martial arts makes you a super hero cap would be able to shoot hadokens by farting
>Goku teleporting Superman to a universe with red suns only
>Superman throwing Batman (and everyone else) into the s
That's not edgy. These are both plausible strategies considering their powersets. Goku's power to teleport and Superman's strength used in context to find a way to beat the other guy. The point of the discussion is for one of them to come out the winner so why are you upset when someone devises a way for that to happen? That shit isn't even the least bit edgy.
>Other things he uses are the "Captain Goggles", the "Captain Protector", the "Captain Gauntlet" and the "Captain Boots". His Captain Goggles can help him identify a criminal's face at a distance of 2 Km, by comparing with database. His Captain Protector is made of super-tough material called "Captain Ceramic", which withstands up to a trillion degrees of heat. His Captain Gauntlet multiplies his power 48 times, making it easy for him to smash a thick iron plate. The Captain Boots make it possible for him to take a 100-meter fall with no injuries to himself, or any damage to his boots.
>Besides his natural gifts of a powerful mind and strong body, he also uses his "Energy Gloves," capable of shooting mighty bolts of fire and electricity. His Special Move is the "Captain Collider" (キャプテンコレダー), a sure-killing technique. Striking the ground with his Energy Gloves causes an electric shock flow in the floor, which kills everyone around him. His Dash Attacks are "Captain Cannon" (also known as "Captain Fire", キャプテンファイヤー) and "Captain Kick" (キャプテンキック). Captain Cannon torches the enemy with a blast of flame. Captain Kick can hit several enemies at once. Captain Commando can also grab his opponent and kick their stomach or throw their whole body.
Stop, stop, stop. It's time to pull the plug, let's not get into Goku VS Superman.
Hercules VS Kinniukuman VS John Cena in a three way fatal, table ladders and chairs match. FYI, for those who don't understand wrestling, a three way fatal is not a fatal as in death match. Just three guys see who can pull off the 3 count pin first.
Difference is that in Marvel, one of the guys who used said 'martial arts' managed to blow a helicarrier in half and knocked out a guy who routinely gets knocked around by The Hulk and gets up unharmed.
There are levels of power in martial arts in comics and it varies from being able to beat normal guys in a street fight to being able to react and act as if you can predict the future.
1. Goku can't teleport to places. He teleports to people. Without someone strong enough that he can sense them at the red sun, which isn't happening when they can't even routinely find new Namek without the help of King Kai, he literally can't teleport anywhere. This was a thing recently in Super since Goku admitted he could instantly transport him and Vegeta to Earth but he needed a power level to lock onto because he didn't have the Kai transport technique, which is what Buu and Kibito knew.
You're doing it right now
>inb4 "I'm not describing it THAT much"
It is pretty edgy
>why are you upset when someone devises a way for that to happen?
That's the thing, there's no just one way for it to happen
People come up with complex fight scenarios about who will do what and how and then someone will disagree and tell their own version of the fight, repeat ad nasuem
Just go through the archive and read through old deathbattle/versus threads
Sure you'll say, it's just discussion, but it's also all of the things you say it's not
Nah it would be something stupid like one rider isn't worthy but then another comes and compliments him and tries to lift it in unison and it moves a bit, and eventually more and more riders keep coming until collectively they have enough worthiness to lift it together.
>Batman has mastered all Martial Arts
>Batman is a master tactician, master strategist, master escape artist, and has 12 masters degrees with an IQ of 192
>Cap is only slightly stronger than Batman
>You think Batman has a better chance without his gadgets
Batman would beat Captain America
I think that the shield is a huge advantage. As is really big in an open field.
Naked Bruce can beat Naked rogers.
In the marvel universe, but his "perfection" is fairly low by SF levels, where lifting over 5 tones is not considered superhuman.
the shield is a huge advantage for steve, he can cut the distance and make batman kicks (those that hit harder than a car crash at 80Km/h) not a problem and make his strenght a factor, with the shield only gas based gadgets are a problem, and we all know that bruce would never use them if he wants to fight someone fairly equal, he loves to fight and to test himself.
Even Balrog who is basically "just a boxer" can kill an Elephant with a single punch, yet his opponents can take multiple punches from him and can still do all sorts of crazy shit, let alone get knocked out.
Street Fighters are tough.
Play Capcom vs Marvel 2
He is, but Street Fighter also has a pretty skewed, weird power level system, "regular" people in the Street Fighter universe are capable of jumping three or four times their own height and shooting fireballs and shit. At first I wanted to say Cap wins and Guile doesn't exactly embarrass himself, but when I think a bit it might not be that simple.
Guile is a tough fighter; Cap regularly wins against opponents with major powers. My money's on Cap, but the fight would be less interesting than the time spent afterwards sharing moves and swapping war stories.