Anyone else a fan of the cosmic badass? I fucking loved Jim starlin's run. Do you think he'll be in the infinity war movies?
Yea, considering how MCU Vision is basically Warlock in all but name and physical appearance, I don't see it happening.
Which is fine; I'd rather have them go all out with him (have him literally go insane like in the Magus story), and that certainly wouldn't happen given what we've seen of the MCU so far.
hope so, I really like the concept of Warlock/Magus as in one being the perfect human and the other the mad prophet of a religion of death
only read about him in DnA cosmic and Infinity War tho
I don't think he'll be in the mcu, his backstory is a bit convulted and who the hell has the High Evolutionary movie rights anyway?
I like Adam marginally better, but I'm just reading the room.
And as "sekrit klub" as this sounds, I'm kind of glad that he's not getting into the eye of the mainstream. The appeal of a character like Adam is that he just too weird to be considered a typical superhero. He suits the type of stories that don't fit the mold of most of Marvel properties, and I don't want to see him crammed into the mold of an Iron Man or Captain America tale. Either go full metaphysical/philosophical cosmic (which again, they won't do) or go home.
I'm hoping they don't botch Strange in this regard, as the same applies to him.
Yeah, the weird philosophy of warlock is why I like him. At the same time though, in infinity gauntlet he plays more of a "mystery badass" role, something the movies could incorporate. I think a standalone would be bad. Dr Strange will probably be the more modern one, with more weird humor and less dark magic
>I really like the concept of Warlock/Magus as in one being the perfect human and the other the mad prophet of a religion of death
It was more that Magus represented, however unrepentant, the breadth of one's achievement. Warlock naturally becomes a creature of power, and by right of existence expands his rule using the Church of Instrumentality.Thanos opposes this on the grounds of it encroaching on the personal "tranquility"/freedom of death.
I just didn't really like DnA's oversimplification to "religion is bad," which wasn't the point of the Starlin stuff. There wasn't a clear cut bad guy, more of a "which is honestly worse?" You should really get around to reading it if you haven't.
>with more weird humor and less dark magic
Sadly, the articles I've seen here seems to point that way. But one could always hope.
Just so everyone is clear - we are all aware that Adam Warlock has ALREADY been Easter Egged in the movies, right? They show his birthing pod pre- and post-hatch in the Collector's museum.
I personally haven't heard anything Feige said on the matter.
But if you've read the original Saga of Adam Warlock, it's pretty clear that MCU Vision is taking his place. They don't just share superficial similarities (gem on head, born in a cocoon), but they're ideologically the same, too. That whole speech on existentialism and the nature of "being" at the end of AoU was exactly the type of thing that happened in Starlin's original stuff, something Whedon confessed being a huge fan of.
He'd just be redundant at this point.
All I know is that Gunn never had any intention of ever using warlock, he just thought the cocoon would look cool in a background shot. He said he regretted ever putting it in because now people think adam is flying around somewhere in the MCU. That, and it doesn't make sense to have two characters with a gem in their head.
If you look closely in the Collector's collection in Guardians of the Galaxy, you can see something resembling a cuccoon and in the post credits scene, it is open and it's confirmed by James Gunn that it is in fact Adam Warlock's cuccoon
I really hope they do bring him in as I have a theory he's starlords father in the cinematic universe and he's also a key hero against Thanos and I think they'd be missing out if they choose not to include him
(HUGE fan of Warlock and Thanos)
It's possible, but saying "pretty clear" is fan-wishing wankery. Nothing is clear and Feige HAS said he's leaving lots of room for shifts and rewrites. Vision's always had a gem on his head, and was built, not born, so your superficial similarities don't even line up, what to speak of the reaching ideological ones.
You can keep your idea that Vision is going to be the ultimate good guy vs. thanos, though. Have fun.
And I know Adam's cocoon appeared in Taylor's work before Gunn's, so again - what does it matter what he says?
>it doesn't make sense to have two characters with a gem in their head.
Half of the Infinity Watch kept the gem on their forehead.
>I have a theory he's starlords father in the cinematic universe
I'm not one who needs every adaptation to be 1:1 with the comics, but this would get me fairly peeved. If you're going to have character A essentially take the comics' role of character B, then adapt character B as something completely different, why not just make character A the one that gets re-imagined?
>You can keep your idea that Vision is going to be the ultimate good guy vs. thanos, though. Have fun.
Never said anything of the sort, especially since I think he's replacing Warlock (who's far from an ultimate good guy himself).
Given the context of the films (Vision born/built ex nihilo from a cocoon, an explicit Infinity Gem on his forehead) the physical similarities line up. And again, the ideologies are extremely obvious if you've read the material. Yes, they could very well do what the other anon I replied to says. But even then, why care? Are you really getting Adam Warlock at that point anyway?
>Vision born/built ex nihilo from a cocoon, an explicit Infinity Gem on his forehead
That is nothing like the origin of Adam Warlock.
>if you've read the material
You keep saying this, but everything you post points to you not reading the material. As for the ideals...pic related.
>Are you really getting Adam Warlock at that point anyway?
You aren't getting anything close to Adam with a sentient Mind Gem stuck in a robot either. How you can even equate the two is boggling to me. If anything, Vision would replace the naive-yet-powerful Silver Surfer, who has a reason to be missing from the Infinity Saga.
Or perhaps I missed it. Is there a part in Age of Ultron where Vision is sent to redeem a world and gets crucified as its savior?
>That is nothing like the origin of Adam Warlock.
>being born ex nihilo from a cocoon is not the origin of Adam Warlock
>what is FF 65-67
Adam is in a constant struggle between accepting his future as the power-hungry Magus and listening to Thanos and cosmically offing himself--an existential crisis on a cosmic scale. The dichotomy of life vs. death, "purpose vs. non-purpose," and what it means to simply "be" when you want to reject both of these outcomes is exactly what MCU Vision paraphrased when talking to that Ultron bot at the end of AoU.
>How you can even equate the two is boggling to me.
Again, I'm equating ideology/characterization.
Why are you getting so hostile about this? I clearly like Adam as much as you do; it's not like I'm (completely) against seeing him on the screen. I'm just analyzing the situation.
Warlock was created to be the perfect soldier. Vision was created to stop the need for soldiers. Warlock was reimagined as a savior to a world. Vision was reimagined as an AI melded with an Infinity Stone. Warlock was a soul-wise mentor in the Infinity Saga. Vision barely had a part as background art. They are nothing alike.
>Again, I'm equating ideology/characterization.
You are failing miserably.
>Why are you getting so hostile about this?
Your stupidity is painful. You're twisting lore to fit a hypothesis that is terrible.
I actually like Warlock as one of the crazier creations to come out of Starlin. The original tale is one of the better examples of 70's inspired sci-fi madness. The character's original arc on Counter-Earth and his Universal Church arc actually made me think of him as something of a strange romantic/sturm-und-drang kind of character.
I'm not sure I'd like an MCU version, it would depend on how well they could pull off Space Jesus.
Never had the courage to read Infinity Ward after the Gauntlet arc, however, is it worth it?
Also I think that the Giffen/DnA era incarnation of GoTG hosts the most messiahs: Warlock, Mantis, Pete/Star-Lord, and Captain Universe
If you mean Infinity War, I actually think it's better than Gauntlet. It doesn't have nearly as much fluff to it, and feels like a well paced, focused story. Not nearly as explosive, but it works for what it is.
If you mean (Warlock and the) Infinity Watch, it's sort of a mixed bag. Starts off pretty weak, gets good around the middle (the tie-ins are actually the best issues), and then fizzles out at the end. It's only a decent series overall.
Never heard of this. If anything, I would guess he'd have to take out Warlock's name because he's tied up in the FF rights.
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I know him from reading the DnA stuff and Annihilation Conquest and I am just starting Starlin's stuff but so far I am liking him.
That said Nicole Perlman said she was going to have Magus in her Gamora solo comic so who knows how that's going to go.
I recently asked Brevoort about it in his tumblr and he said it was still coming out, didn't answer when though.
I am mildly excited about it because Nicole wrote a draft for the GotG movie before Gunn came aboard and she said she read a lot of Cosmic Marvel stuff for it including GotG comic with the original Guardians, old school Stat-Lord, Nova, Starlin's stuff, to the modern Cosmic Marvel stuff from the 2000's.
So she seems to know her stuff and supposedly her version of the GotG script had Rich in it as well as Peter Quill as a NASA astronaut.