>this comic takes place before batman and robin eternal
What makes you think that? Based on the cover of issue 50, I'll bet this is setting up Harper as a permanent side character.
i would be more convinced if batgirl was a bigger deal but she's really not as far as barbara is concerned. if they were talking about catwoman being cool or even batwoman it'd be more natural, but batgirl is just someone about their age and not even that competent.
This first part of this preview is painful to read. The bat girls are in a sorry state. I like Babs interacting with her dad though. I always felt they should play up the Gordon and cop connection with Babsgirl. It's an angle that's uniquely hers. Steph's already done the cute college girl working with a support team thing and BQM was better at writing it than Fletcher & Stewart.
I don't know why Batgirl angers me so much. There are worse comics being published, and maybe it's just because I know Batgirl *has* been good before, but I want nothing more for this comic to be turned over to a competent team.
Not who you replied to, but It's mostly just Stewart not being a that good of a writer. Fletcher's other books are better. Tarr's art (not on this issue obviously, but generally) is a little loose but she's learning on the fly. The run certainly isn't horrible outside of the Dick issue, but it's a very mediocre execution of the youthful, lighthearted hero thing. Maybe read more of them and you'll see it.
> good, cass is safe from this hot mess
Anon.. I hate to break it to you, but um well there's going to be a surprise guest star in Batgirl #50 besides Steph, Dinah, and Harper. Unless they bring back Lady Blackhawk (I miss her so much.), there's only one other person this can be.
Which makes me wonder what kind of new costume Cass is getting. Please let it be stupid sexy Gordon's Batsuit. PLEASE!
The mohawk definitely looks more stupid, but I really miss the mustache and gray hair.
>I don't have the numbers with me.
The trades do well and it's usually in the 10-15 digitally, but the floppy sales are mediocre. I would say sales are overall good enough to call it a success but it's not really a bestseller.
I think it just doesn't have enough substance to go with style. It's very bipolar. If it's doing doing fun, over-the-top action, it's overboard with cheesy CW drama. The characters just aren't three-dimensional. If they're not being mean and petty towards one another, they're being all sweet and huggy. There needs to be a middle ground.
I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, /co/ gets way too hateful about this. It's not that terrible.
On the other hand, whenever I see websites praise it as one of the best comics of the year, and as such a strong and progressive title that empowers women, it disappoints me that they're straight up ignoring a dozen other comics that are aimed at a similar audience that are way better.
Even normies are rejecting it - Look at the Batman group whenever Batgirl stuff is posted.
I think the main problem people have with this book is that Babs is just so whiny. Like, every Batman Eternal thread has that one discussion we give Harper a lot of shit for whining about how hard she has it and how the other members of the Bat family need to take her aside and make her realize she doesn't have it half as bad as she think she does?
Babs whines just as much, if not more, about petty CW drama shit like her best friend's wedding or her popularity ratings online, and she even has it better than really anyone else to EVER wear the bat symbol. Especially now. She's just whiny. That's her character now.
Only reason I post about this book, is because it's fun to pretend to be upset.
I never actually cared about the book, not until they did my Dick dirty. Starfire literally had almost the same premise and it was actually GOOD. So I'm salty enough now that I talk shit about the book occasionally, but that's mostly just so I can remind people how shitty the team's rendition of Dick was, and now when I post it's about how much better Dick was in Starfire.
That said, of the characters that will be part of the new BoP, I only care about Steph and Cass, since the others (Babs, Harper) act like they know all their shit, and talk big to Bruce and especially Dick, and Dinah is cool but I have no idea how this team writes her.
So yeah, I'm a salty Dickfag and also happen to like Steph and Cass, and so I keep up with this book on /co/ because of that.
>Starfire literally had almost the same premise and it was actually GOOD.
Because Starfire wasn't desperately trying to sell you on Starfire. Batgirl spends most of its crossovers going "Look how empowering and inspirational and beloved Babs is".
You know there's used to be a term for when characters all job to and praise another character unduly.
>babs is just so whiny
But she isn't, Iike at all. She isn't whining about her best friend weddong she's excited for it and she isn't whining about her online popularity but talking about how the public is responding to Batgirl, which is a common superhero cliche.
It had some of that, but not as bad as Batgirl in my opinion. If we're talking about the latest Dick crossovers, Midnighter #4 and #5 were probably the best at it. They didn't try to show how much better Midnighter is than Dick, it actually felt like a team-up where none of them were made to look more awesome than the other. Probably because it's a male character, with boy/girl team-ups some writers have the tendency to "prove" how much better the girl is or to emphasize the awesomeness of the female character.
Of course, it doesn't happen only when a girl is involved. Writers making the main character of the book seem super special in crossovers happens a lot. I can understand it somehow, but at one point it just gets obnoxious.
>women getting praise
Fuck that noise amirite? I'm sorry but this is kind of unjust criticism against the title that I see in most every Batgirl thread- the idea that Camstew is writing her like a mary sue who never gets any criticism which is frankly bullshit.
No, I mean when the writers decided Dick has to be a childish asshole that steals a wedding ring and tries to crash a party.
Dick wouldn't do that.
And even ignoring that, sure, the team can push Luke as her current LI, that's fine, but why do they have to show Dick looking all sad and alone at the end? As if Babs is allowed to move on, but Dick can't?
They were doing that shit on purpose, that's the reason I was salty, and now I was just reminded of all that shit and now I'm even more salty.
But yeah, that issue was shit. Imagine if it was split in two, one about Babs and Luke and the wedding (the wedding deserves its own issue, it's a fucking wedding) and one about Dick coming back and teaming up with Babs and/or Luke, with Robin/Batgirl flashbacks. Would've been much better.
>oracle coming back
We got Frankie as a sorta oracle. Honestly oracle shouldn't come back because too many people seem to think that oracle was just babs in a wheelchair and not 30 years of character development.
The thing is, both Grayson and Batgirl teams competed for the right to show that reunion first and Grayson won out, so not only was the second version of the reunion unnecessary, it was spiteful.
Batgirl isn't a terrible book, but I find it painfully mediocre. The characterizations are completely superficial, there's no depth to any of the characters. But I guess they're trying to appeal to little girls, so that's to be expected. As a kids' book, it's great.
It showed how much better writers King and Seeley are, compared to Camstew. The Babs reunion in Grayson was actually well-written. Batgirl issue just felt like a poor romantic comedy in comparison.
I don't know where you're getting child oriented from, the title may not be incredibly complex but you're reaching if you're saying it's simple to the point of being a childern's book.
Probably the new thing in child related things to never go too far into a certain subject.
Someone died? Youre supposed to feel sad. Dont explore any feelings about if that person was important enough for you too feel that way or if you feel another. Only sad because death is bad.
No, actually, she doesn't. She just hates this worse.
And I get it. Simone's run was almost comically edgy and poorly written and melodramatic but this just feels like the comic equivalent of a safe space. It's kind of condescending at times.
Never knew we had a Batgirl Defense Force around here.
Camstew, is that you?
Yeah, I was disappointed in how reality-avoiding that comic was. Especially since I was only really interested in the character after seeing Jessica Jones. Oops. :)
Actually, she does like Simone's run - she responded to some tweets after the #46 review and recommended the first half of Simone's Batgirl.
That's simply incorrect. I just got Batgirl Year One along with Robin Year One with the Comixology sale, and they're both really well constructed, cute, but not silly comics. I personally love Babs pretty much solely as Oracle, but Batgirl Year One is a fitting precursor to her mature years, and a really fun and well drawn comic to boot.
The problem I have with the "diversity" is that there characters are so flat - it literally doesn't matter what color or sexuality they are, they're all bland and boring. The selfie thing is annoying to me because it showed up actually in comic about one time, very early, and yet they keep using it for covers.
I've been reading this book since Camstew took over it and I still can't say anything about Babs' supporting cast past "black", "trans" and so on. Even Luke's personality is cardboard-thin and he's the love interest.
Yes. I really liked Luke as a person in his own series and in Batman Eternal, but in Batgirl he's really nothing more than a convenient hook for them to hang a love triangle upon.