>>78962911 when I was like 10 years old, yes. but then they closed the only place in my town that used to sell comics and videogame magazines (it was some short of library, dunno). so I moved to cartoons and anime (I know, I know, go back to /a/). I wonder what happened to the pile of disney comics I used to own, would love to read them again.
My sister does, but we're a family that has essentially all grown up on comics. Dad used to collect and read in the 70s. Hung out with small local publishers and went to cons. Shit, he bought his first car by flipping a collection he bought from some guy.
My sister has basic knowledge of characters and history/continuity. She mainly reads DC teen titles like Teen Titans & Young Justice. She's hunting for preNu52 series of Young Justice. Marvel side she's a Deadpool reader. She doesn't follow particular writers, mainly just characters. She realizes that some writers are shit, but admits that she'll recognize when something is shit and stop purchasing it at that point, so that's reassuring. Outside the big two, she'll read the odd title here and there, but ultimately she's into young capes.
she's also always on her fucking phone reading Marvel/DC fanfiction the crosses over with Harry Potter and Naruto
>>78964926 Yes, we had the internet in the year 2000. Also It wasn't anything graphic usually just ff nudity. My mom threw away any picture with a genitals in them because they were "an affront to God" but here have a Hedgemaid curtesy of 10 year old me.
I used to use my friend as a library (he was chill about it) because he had subscriptions to a bunch of things, but I can be really cheap and would only buy my own copies if I really liked something. If I got something he didn't already have I would return the favor and let him borrow it. I like graphic novels more than I like continuing series. Blankets, I Kill Giants, Koko Be Good, the Rabbi's Cat, etc. But I used to keep up with Invincible, Locke and Key, Fables, Unwritten, and others. I also really dig Blacksad. I'm not big into capes but I've got the Killing Joke and the Cult lying around because Batman's always pretty good.
What do girls think of le gamer/geek/comic grills that clearly do it for attention? What about their thirsty beta enablers? I dislike them but don't blame them as they wouldnt exist if not for those that suck their tits
>>78965866 Generally I ignore them, though I do have a lot of dislike for them. If it's something online it's easy to brush it off. If it's someone in real life I tend to quietly rage in my head about it and try to not overreact much when I witness it. I don't think it's helpful or attractive to try acting superior in person, just let them make fools of themselves if that's what they want to do.
>>78965159 >I only read books that are free of misogyny. What the fuck does that even mean? Is misogyny just ANYTHING that makes you uncomfortable? I can't think of a single comic (outside of very specific issues of Cerebus) that is actually misogynistic, unless you're going to say "drawing a women with large breasts" is somehow bigotry.
>>78971015 There is LITERALLY not an alternative, but the courts have ruled it's not a monopoly since "comics are books" and there are "other" book distributors out there...even though none of them distribute comics...
>>78973796 >I can't think of a single comic (outside of very specific issues of Cerebus) that is actually misogynistic, unless you're going to say "drawing a women with large breasts" is somehow bigotry.
that there was one of them bait posts I hear about.
>>78962911 A couple of young women I dated back in college read comics. One was into Claremont-era X-Men, another was into Gaiman's Sandman and manga (she was into Oh My Goddess! if I recall). So they're out there.
My niece reads a lot of the OGNs and serial TPBs published by Scholastic (Jeff Smith's Bone, Raina Telgemeier's Smile and Drama, etc.). They're apparently popular at her school's library.
I also have a female cousin who was a huge X-Men comics fan. When we were kids, she used to buy two copies of every issue of Uncanny X-Men (one for herself, a second copy for me and my older brother... she was real sweet). She doesn't read the X-titles anymore, though. I think these days she's mostly into Image Comics titles and reprints of Silver Age/Bronze Age-era Wonder Woman.
I made my ex read I Kill Giants, Birthright, For All Seasons, Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane and A Contract with God. the first few issues of the Wicked + Divine, and that Gillen Loki arc. She hates them all but supposedly read them. I don't reallly believe her because it used to take her like a real long time to read through her shitty YA novels she loved but she sped through these stories. Maybe she didn't appreciate the art or the idea of stories being told through sequential art? Weird, because she was an artsy girl. I'm pretty sure she's just dumb.
Read them? Hell. I have a female friend who makes them.
>>78963076 >Some do, but most girls who are all LEL I LUV COMICS XD either read absolute dog shit or don't read comics at all. They just want to be part of geek sheek culture. Yes. Because none of the male posters here have shit comics or just casually talk about characters they haven't actually read comics for.
Can confirm as female that I read comics. I wouldn't call myself a comic nerd or anything (idk if there's a name for it) but I do want to read more, I just can't afford to commit to any at the moment. The ones I've read are: Y: the Last Man, Low, Maus, Watchmen, Persepolis, some of Fables (dropped it) and a few weird indy ones. And SaGa
>>78977170 They would have to lower the price first, I doubt any parents are willing to buy their kids a $4-$5 comic book when they could get their little shits more entertainment value for the same price with something else
My girlfriend read all of Sandman way before I met her, but hadn't really read any other comics. She was actually the one that convinced me to read Sandman. After we met I got her to read Saga (which we both agree is just mediocre, but she likes the art). She has a bunch of my comics on her HD that she wants to read, like Lucifer, Swamp Thing, and Books of Magic.
For Christmas she downloaded a bunch of obscure Euro comics for me, Mobieus stuff, Incal, Blueberry. She is great.
>>78974526 all girls only do things so a guy will want to fuck her hole, it is biology. Also have you met a woman? It's like they can't not be attention whores. Whatever they do, they have to make it about feminism or "I'M NOT LIKE THE OTHER GIRLSA;KSJFD;LJ1!!!!" like dude, just fucking chill, it's not gonna matter in 10 years. That is why women are inferior
>>78979908 WOW GOOD ONE MAN, I'M JUST LE AUTIST NICKBEAR WHO NEVER GETS LAID AHAHAH ALL I NEED IS THE SEX MEME AND I'LL CHANGE MY OPINION. Or maybe I just realise women are whores and that they only do things to impress guys, because of my perspective and what I've observed? try and prove me wrong
>>78962911 Femanon here and I used to a lot. I got real into comics around 2000 when I first read Ghost World and started buying a bunch of capeshit as well as the usual required reading (Maus, Watchmen, JTHM). I sort of fell off after getting real into Scott Pilgrim at the expense of everything else. I could probably still enjoy a Daredevil or Booster Gold or something if I tried but I haven't really bothered. I'm mostly here for the cartoons side of the board now.
>>78981176 They made fun if you because you were (and with this attitude probably still are) a faggot I've never been made fun of for doing nerdy shit, because people like me, because I'm not a faggot. Reading comics and playing video games is not wierd enough to be made fun of on its own, it's not bird watching or male figure skating or something weird.
>>78981982 I mean from a reader viewpoint. Are you one of those idiots that think reading comics is somehow a less significant form of reading? I alternate between books and comics but they both have their own merits and looking down on comics simply because there is less dialogue is not only dense but it's condescending as well.
I used to work with a young woman who was actually decently knowledgeable about late '70s to present Marvel. My brother's ex was starting to read some older DC stuff she had access to, and getting clarification from me on cameos or random pop-up tidbits that she didn't quite know the source of. And, I had an ex who actually had a decent collection of random '80s/'90s fantasy-esque comics and some Nocenti and Chichester Daredevil.
It happens periodically, but a lot of them don't really advertise if they're into comics beyond watching film/TV adaptations. They're not unheard of, but most people don't really go on about interests unless they know you have some kind of background in it.
>>78983751 Memes transcend boards. Lurk long enough and you'll learn it. If not, then you just never will. Just like you'll never get Pool's closed. It just comes with being a newfag, you won't understand some memes.
>>78983783 They show up on other boards, but if never saw the origin of it and no one ever explains it then all anyone will ever see is LONDON in reply to random women. No amount of lurking would fi that; I realize that I'm probably just responding to bait, but you're really an idiot.
>>78983783 What's the reasoning behind this thinking? It's a bit like if someone said "BONE" and you were like "what?" and they were like "wow look at this newfag he doesn't get the Mr. Bones Wild Ride" meme. Just posting "LONDON" is kind of purposely obfuscating it from it's source as much as possible. In fact isn't that kind of the point?
>>78984017 meh, i've been here a long time and i still have to google half the abbreviations you people use. no one can keep up with internet culture. in face, if you CAN, you really need to reevaluate your life
>>78984085 You don't really have to know all of it. Someone's probably going to call you a newfag for not knowing something from a few months ago but they're fucking morons. I don't know what they imagine their definition of newfag is. Guaranteed none of them are going to remember pic related.
>>78992467 let's be real. how many male /co/mrades do you think are /fit/ themselves?
really, saying there aren't women in comics or who read comics is a self fulfilling prophecy. The more idiots, both male and female, say it; the more they will drive women away from comics.
I remember some snotty.. whatever the US version of a chav is.. girl talking to her mom at Toys R Us. She was complaining that the mom shouldn't buy some Marvel superhero for a young female cousin because those are for boys. What a dumb bitch. Some women are just as much the problem here as men.
>>78992485 Its a better deal. A single volume gets you multiple issues, only for $10. American trades are expensive as fuck, and mostly just filler. Or you buy the single issues at an outrageous price for 20 pages, then you got to wait a month, or in cases like Image, it can be 4 to 6 months.
>>78992629 I actually met a really nice lesbian couple at a con's artist alley who were maybe bigger DC dorks than I am. Actually was using a custom Nightwing messenger bag today that I bought from them.
They also were into guy on slash oddly enough. Then again, considering slash is queer and they are drawn so girly, it makes some sense.
>>78992679 Well, even cheaper manga is starting to go up a buck or two thanks to inflation in the past ten years. Thougb I would say the ten dollar mark for a manga volume in 2005 dollars is a pretty magic price point.
>>78992745 Oh fuck yes. They were like 70-75% of the market at turn of the century and still over 60%. And they made that majority of the market into an artificially inflated shitfest that seems like something out of the Bear Sterns playbook that was part of what crashed the entire economy in 200i.
>>78962911 If by comics you mean american superhero crap then no. Otherwise not only my sister has read comics but also my brother parents uncles and even great parents. Everyone had at least one comic in his/her life to remember from unashamed.
Hell one of the oldest comics in our shelf is from 1890.
Hey, maybe if you men on here stopped berating women and the women stopped berating the men, we could all just talk about comics and not give a shit. Like, instead of >Hey, Kamala fuckin sucks dude. Fuckin tumblrpandering whore. I wish women wouldn't ruin comics. >KAMALA IS A GEM AND REPRESENTS A BEAUTIFUL OPPRESSED RACE YOU CHAUVINIST SWINE We could have >Kamal fuckin sucks. She was only made to make white women feel better about themselves. I miss Carol. She may not have been "interesting" but at least she was fun. And hot. >You know who else is hot? Nightwing. >I would tap that ass in a heartbeat. >Dick's is leagues finer than Kamala could ever hope for.
Eventually this will lead to a discussion about comics. Not the same exact fucking gender argument I see in every fucking thread.
I love how the femanons of /co/ can freely shit on the male rest as a whole. That's not to say it's uncalled for, but it does fairly amuse me that just about any girl out there in the world is by default so high in society's food chain - like, a light-years wide gap between the most /co/-tarded man and the least /co/-tarded woman - and knows it.
>>78992670 You're not wrong, but I'm not worried about my male /co/mrads as far as that goes.
And you have a point about the self fulfilling prophesy and certain toys being for certain genders. Certain anything being for certain people as far as entertainment goes is kinda b.s. If the kid likes it they like it.
>>78992984 Agreed. Abandoning the newsstand and focusing mainly on direct sales. Emphasizing special collectability and creating a speculator market. >Renumbering. >Special editions (holofoil?) >"This. Changes. Everything." Super events. >shit stories >abandoning having a variety of publishing
I choose not to think about it, I hate girls, they ruin everything. I think there should be a limit to how many people there are on earth, especially women, but how would anyone regulate that? Anyway, yes I am from r9k, I don't know when it was I started hating women but it may have been my whole life. Women are awful.
They do but not good ones. Ones meaning both the women and the comics.
To be fair though some must but the ones that do you'd never be able to tell apart. It's like games. If you know then they want you to know and they're annoying attention whores. It's the ones that are a little weird and way later on you find out in casual conversation that they play old school rpgs and stuff in their spare time that are the real shit.
>>78998171 >implying I don't all the time >implying my sick /co/ absorbed knowledge doesn't let me keep up the bants with other comic reading folks Fuck cunt, half of /co/ pretends to read comics. I've seen people admitting all they've read are story times for the last year or something. If GUYS who waste time on a board specifically for comics and cartoons do it you'd better fucking believe chicks do it.
>>78996910 I should suggest Hellboy to a female friend into reading and drawing gothic stuff if she already hasn't read some of it. I know she met Del Toro at NYCC and even got him to sign her copy of The Strain.
Also Sandman. Of course a girl I dated in college had a pic of Death on her dorm door. Also loved Yoshitaka Amano. Never mind all the other female Gaiman fans I have met.
>>78999023 >unfortunately Yeah okay Casuals and attention whores are very different unless you mean the LP kind of loser. Besides casuals can suck shaft. If all you play is destiny and GTA then I'd rather talk about something else, you know? THat's like saying Star Wars fans are into scifi. They aren't. Just engage on the casual thing if you like it or ignore it. One science fantasy film does not a scifi fan make and some casual games doesn't not a game fan make. I have listen to classical music, I'm not a classic music fan. You're a complete numb skull and a namefag so I guess that makes you the perfect representation of brain dead, try hard attention whores.
>>78999023 >Yes. Because casual attention whore dude bros never play games. Doesn't that fall under the "They do, but not good ones" thing As in, the casual male dude bros gamers aren't really quality males nor do they play quality games >Can we stop pretending video games are 'nerdy' or some kinda male geek niche? Everything is still in it's niche there are artsy fartsy films that only film school majors would watch and then there are movies that you can watch whenever you want because they are on cable constantly There's high fashion that only the elite would ever wear and then there's the shit that are knockoffs whatever that one celebrity wore that one time There are tons of videos games that are open and available to everyone, but you won't find people who know a lot about video games and only play a few mobile games and popular games everyone else plays (only sometimes)
>>78999182 >THat's like saying Star Wars fans are into scifi. They aren't. Of course it's not like Star Wars is even sci fi. It's fantasy with sci fi window dressing or maybe a sci fi fantasy hybrid at most.
And, yeah, Star Wars is no longer nerdy. It's mainstream as the fucking Super Bowl.
>>78999357 Star Wars only became "nerdy" after nerds started getting into it Star Wars was a major motion picture that only became "nerdy" because nerds were obsessing over it And not just watching the movies, reading the novels, buying too much of the merchandise, etc
Nothing is actually "nerdy" Nerds are nerdy and they get intense about things that most people don't get overly zealous about
>>78999283 they are the only ones keeping the industry afloat
>>78999023 P2 >Video games are a mainstream thing played by both genders, nerds and non-nerds alik Nerd or non-nerd is usually self defined and essential based on your interpersonal or relational skills so that is a moot point Unless you mean nerd as in 'game nerd' wherein the person actually likes plays and has experienced a lot of games in which case it matters. To break it down, the majority of games are played by men. Most of the women getting on the numbers is due to phone games, which to call back to my star wars analogy doesn't make you a big fan of games. It does make you a big fan of candy crush but not of 'games' in their entirety or any meaningful way past the domain mobile Similarly there are only so many sales attributed to those who you call 'dude bros' like some early naughties call back. If we're defining them the same they'll buy, one or many sports games every year, a shooter like Battle field or COD, GTA, and the best marketed triple A game (this year see: Fallout)
>>78999357 I literally noted it was scifantasy like two sentences down fuckwit. Point still remains, people liking 'a' game or 'a' comic or perhaps a collection of highly saturated main stream comics or games or whatever media or activity doesn't make you a 'fan' or an 'enthusiast' or even a significant member of the group. I own a bike but I doubt the government counts me as part of the cyclists votership. They are a very specific set of people united by interests not a passing fancy in an activity (and so it is with all interest groups).
>>78999628 >Yeah. Video games aren't niche. >Non FF JRPGs? Sure. That's a nerdy niche. Like I said, everything has it's own niche I gave you similar examples to those, why are you so dumb?
>And, of course, everything is a matter degrees and relative to each other. What is even your point? (rhetorical question)
>prove your nerdiness becomes more like being a hipster Being a nerd is about obsessive dedication, not proving you liked something before it was cool Nerds aren't hipsters If they were, they'd just be called hipsters
>>78999628 >posting /tv/ cu//ck infographs while pretending to be informed You're so debased I'm surprised you even realise which thread you in when you swap tabs m8. Comics are still niche as fuck because hardly anyone reads them. All they do is discuss them. That and the general public would rather watch movies. Capes are in vogue but comics still are not. Hell rpgs in general are niche excluding big triple A titles. I can't even understand where you pull these norms from.
>>78999486 >they are the only ones keeping the industry afloat So how do we get the industry to not rely on these mentally inbred fanboys who buy every variant cover the big two release and support this ever congealing cycle of mega events after mega events? It is a sign of how the industry has disappeared up is own asshole.
>SJW/Feminist >Obese >Lesbian >Have a mental disorder of some kind >An attention whore >Be way too far out of your league to where every dude within a 100 mile radius will be trying to get inside her pants.
>>78999919 >mentally inbred fanboy Wew lad All that needs to happen is a deescalation. Less comics with higher quality. It's a small market acting like a big one. If people are interested they will pay. Niche interests live on through those enthralled by it not big industry. What you're suggesting is some big manufactured push for new demographics but all that does is alienate the old fans and make things artificial. Comics as they are now are a hardened interest that many people have and it's theirs to keep. It can crop up in new ways else where but it shouldnt be hacked apart in an attempt to keep popularity growing. If people are interested things will happen, new comics made with new demographics by people who understand the niche demo they're writing for. Not by diversifying legacy characters and trying to pull some minorities into the stores Things shouldn't happen to bait and artificially create interest unless you're running a business. Rather interest should inspire creation
It's probably too late but rather than have this thread be another roll call of "Yeah, I know a girl who reads comics," I'll ask a follow up question: Are they heavily interested in social justice or are they not that into it?
>>78976859 >Yes. Because none of the male posters here have shit comics or just casually talk about characters they haven't actually read comics for. Nice straw man, bruh. No where did I say guys don't do the same shit, you trip faggot kike.
>>78999919 >reduced cover prices >format experimentation (print dimensions, page count, color or no, digital, etc) >actually promoting the comics with your tv/movies/games/etc adaptations >availability beyond the direct market >quality stories >variety of genre >age appropriate comics >general reading initiatives (learning/fun/whatever) >distributors beyond diamond.
That's some of what I think. This stuff seems too hard for the industry to attempt.
>>78962911 I went to my LCS yesterday to pick up my order of a whopping 2 comics. In front of me was a girl - an early 20s, decently attractive blonde girl at that - who's order was a pile 3 fucking inches thick. Storylines she was reading kept bleeding over into other series, so she bought them too to get the whole experience. I also have a friend a few cities over - also a girl - who spends as much disposable income as she can on Marvel and already has several boxes full of flagship titles & events. They're ideal fans desu.
>>79007202 Yeah, it's just the equivalent of an Euro (or maybe Japanese) comics fan bragging about this real obscure American series they're reading called "The Avengers", or someone going on about this super obscure and ug Japanese comic (or "manga") they heard about called "Akira" that's really cool.
>>79007412 Blueberry had an internationally released movie with Vincent Cassel made in the 2000s though, even if it isn't too faithful to the source material.
The analogy stands. I'm sorry if it upsets you but calling Blueberry of all things "obscure" is just as laughable as in my example.
If it makes you feel better you can substitute The Flash for the Avengers. Now imagine the face of an US comic enthusiast when some Yuropoor brags about having downloaded some issues of this real "obscure" American comic series called "The Flash". Imagine it.
>>79007972 How something was originally published, like if it was published serially in a periodical, does not invalidate its status as a novel.
For example, > The Hound of the Baskervilles is the third of the crime novels written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle featuring the detective Sherlock Holmes. Originally serialised in The Strand Magazine from August 1901 to April 1902, it is set largely on Dartmoor in Devon in England's West Country and tells the story of an attempted murder inspired by the legend of a fearsome, diabolical hound of supernatural origin. Sherlock Holmes and his companion Dr. Watson investigate the case.
Just because something is published in a newspaper or magazine *which is what comic books floppies are), that doesn't mean it can't be called a graphic novel,
>>78963076 >They just want to be part of geek sheek culture
But comics is a medium anon. People who doesn't read geek culture oriented kiddie shit but instead comics that are targeted towards a mature aduience are not part of geek culture. In that world of comics, I would say it's 50-50 between men and women.
>>78963544 But when you talk about sales figures you're only talking baout corporate "ongoing" comics from DC/Marvel/whatever. If you look at the sales of publihsers like Fanta or D&Q, the figures are rising.
>>79008561 Right but that's completely, totally utterly completely, beside the point that was being discussed.
The argument was about whether or not "graphic novel" can be used to mean an ambitious, somewhat contained story told in comic form, or whether it means a normal book that just has graphic violence in the content (or whatever the fuck >>78983594 meant with "Stephen King writes graphic novels").
It was a question of whether or not "graphic novel" can be used to mean a story told with comics-style images at all, or if it means textual prose with violent content.
Seriously, you're either autistic or should really learn to figure out what the topic being discussed is -before- joining the argument.
I even tried to tell you to read back on the comments so you wouldn't embarrass yourself like this, sheesh.
The point about the floppies was that no-one would call something as endless and overarching like Archie or the X-men a "graphic novel", since "graphic novels" tend to be neater and self-contained with a clear end. More like books or book series, and not like comics titles that don't tell one overarching story, or branch off to different titles or parallel universes or storylines or crossovers, or go on for decades etc etc.
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