Why is Captain America on the cover?

>>78891324
Why wouldn't he?

>>78891332
Because Stan didn't make him?

>>78891324
because stan lee IS Mr Marvel

>>78891366
his involvement in the creation of Thor and Iron Man is also somewhat tangential

>>78891366
>muhh Kirby
>muhh Ditko
Keep crying, bitch.

>>78891386
Stan Lee is Billy Bateson?

Why is spider-man on the cover?

>>78891366
Yes he did. He created these characters and then told his artists to draw them. Stop being retarded.

>>78891406
Whats Ditko got to do with it? It was created in 1941 by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby
Lee didn't write anything for the character until issue 3, a filler text story - which did introduce the shield being thrown and returning.

>>78891406
Hi, The Sheeple! Still a lolbertarian?

>>78891428
no he didn't create captain america there is not even any argument for him creating captain america

not even stan lee will claim to have created captain america

>>78891425
He wrote an outline describing the character and then comissioned Kirby to come up with a character
He rejected Kirbys design and then asked Ditko
Ditko produced Spiderman and did the art for the story that Lee did write, Kirby did the cover
It seems though that Lees scripts consisted of rough outlines or guides for the writers and he would then go over them adding dialogue and thes and thous and for souths

>>78891471
Didn't he do it in a book?
And why did he have a cameo in Captain America but not Joe Simon? He only passed away in 2011

>>78891471
>not even stan lee will claim to have created captain america
>captain america is prominently displayed on a cover about how Stan Lee created everything

Where the fuck is the Fantastic 4?
Marvels blackban on them extends even to Lees autobiography it seems

>>78891554
>Where the fuck is the Fantastic 4?
Ben, Reed, and Norrin are all on the cover, anon. Stop actively trying to be butthurt.

>two Spideys
its like they're pissing on Ditko

>>78891540
>and the usual shills will say it's true

>>78891519
because he has a cameo in every marvel film, he has a cameo in guardians of the galaxy which he also has no claim to whatsoever

>>78891554
???

do you have eyes? there are three fantastic 4 characters on the cover at least

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>PAD and Doran sucking his wrinkled dick

>>78891593
Stan co-created Groot.

>>78891593
didn't he create groot?

>>78891611
david will write anything for a buck

>>78891650
>Created by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Dick Ayers
Let's face it: Lee minus Kirby equals zero.

>>78891611
this is such an obnoxious photo hes literally posing with some of ditko's art

it doesnt even have his fucking word balloons there

>>78891627
>>78891650
kek groot was made by abner landing in annihilation you plebs

>>78891627
He also co-created Ronan, the Kree, and The Collector.

it's not like any of you actually care. you like like feeling angry.

>>78891727
>boo hoo hoo they attacking my god
Do you do this for free or for a fee?

>>78891685
Well, Stan can't draw and Ditko is a shut in who doesn't pose for pictures or do anything publicly. I get that it's cool to hate on Stan because he's the only one who will publicly talk about it or is still alive but he does give Kirby and Ditko credit for co-creation and plotting, they (especially Kirby) just demanded 100% credit, hell Kirby even claimed to have single handedly created Spider-Man

>>78891788
>Kirby even claimed to have single handedly created Spider-Man
Well, Spider-Man was based on a aborted Simon & Kirby project for Archie, my Sheeple.

>>78891788
No he does not give them co-credit.
He says "if Ditko wants to believe he co-created Spider Man thats fine by me"
He is always careful to talk about these things with a lawyer present

>>78891804
Not exactly, Kirby recycled the design from that for Lees outline - and it was rejected

>>78891788
they do deserve 100% credit in most cases, i would say stan lee deserves some credit for his writing in amazing fantasy 15 since the origin story is actually so core to the character but for pretty much anything else he 'created' he just did shitty word balloons

>>78891366
If Stan Lee hadn't as an editor in the 1960s decided to bring Cap back, you wouldn't even know the character.

>>78891401
If by tangential you mean you don't understand that without his involvement, again, you wouldn't know these characters, yes.

>>78891832
Yup, but the idea was theirs. So...

>>78891832
I just looked up his design, it's pretty garbage. Spidey's design is timeless.

>>78891428
>>78891406
Here, this should help you in the future:
www.google.com

>>78891873
Their Spider-Man was entirely different. The only thing their project shared with Spider-Man as we currently know him is the name.

>>78891406
>>78891428
Ignorant mongoloids.

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>>78891874
>Spidey's design is timeless
This t b h senpai

I don't get why they keep redesigning him at every opportunity

>>78891895
>alliterative name
>an orphan adopted by an elderly couple
>mask
>can climb walls, has superhuman agility and weave webs
Yeah, entirely different.

>>78891916
Apart from each artist's own take on the size of the eyes and the under-arm webs, any attempt to fuck with that suit just lessens its impact. The new glowing spider-symbol is a fucking eyesore.

>>78891814
>In the letter dated August 18th, 1999, Lee wrote:

To Whom It May Concern:

I would like to go on record with the following statement…

I have always considered Steve Ditko to be Spider-Man’s co-creator.

When I first told Steve my idea for a shy, teenaged high-school science student who’d be bitten by a radioactive spider, thus gaining the ability to stick to walls and shoot webs, Steve took to it like a duck to water.

Steve’s illustrated version of Peter Parker/Spider-Man and his coterie of supporting characters was more compelling and dramatic than I had dared hope it would be. From his very first panel, Steve created and established the perfect mood and gestalt for Spider-Man.

Also it goes without saying that Steve’s costume design was an actual masterpiece of imagination. Thanks to Steve Ditko, Spidey’s costume has become one of the world’s most recognizable visual icons.

Nor can I forget to credit Steve with the many, many brilliant plots he furnished as the strip continued to increase in popularity with each passing month. So adept was he at story-telling, that Steve eventually did most of the plotting and illustrations while I, of course, continued to provide the dialogue and captions.

I write this to ensure that Steve Ditko receives the credit to which he is so justly entitled.

Yours sincerely,

Stan Lee
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/nuff_said_stan_lees_letter_confirming_steve_ditko_as_spider-mans_co-creator

>>78891324
Wasnt his very first comic story a captain America one?

>>78891916
Black suit was pretty solid

>>78891916
I think my favorite redesign story is Todd "Grimdark Incarnate" being the one who insisted Spidey's costume should be bright, and that the black suit is a mistake.

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>>78891685
>implying

>>78891837
none of them deserve credit though. not ditko, not stan lee, none of them

ALL
NEW
ALL
DIFFERENT
HOUSE OF IDEAS EVERYBODY.

>>78892035
>house of idead
yeah right, they stopped being one since 70s

Lee is a shockingly lucky hack

>Spider-man
famous due to ditko

>daredevil
famous due to miller

>iron-man
still relevant due to ellis

>thor
famous due to simonson

>>78891366
No, but Cap was his first writing gig (the prose story "Captain America Foils the Traitor's Revenge" in Captain America Comics #3; this also introduced Cap's famous shield-throwing attack). So it's still important to Stan's history.

>>78891861
>implying he wasn't inspired by DC doing the same with their characters, and someone else at Marvel wouldn't have done the same thing anyway

>>78892022
thats not his first appearance, go back to annihilation by abner landing for his first appearance

>>78891924
>alliterative name
Come on. I guess they ripped off Richie Rich, too.
>an orphan adopted by an elderly couple
I was under the impression that that particular aspect came from the initial 5-page Stan Lee/Jack Kirby pages, rather than the separate Simon/Kirby project. Could be wrong, though.
>mask
Again, hardly an original concept.
>can climb walls, has superhuman agility and weave webs
Wasn't aware of the specifics of the powers in the original Simon/Kirby idea, so I'll give you that one.

That being said, so many of the important aspects completely different.
Uncle Ben's relationship with Peter, how he gets his powers, the entire "with great power" theme (which in my opinion is a more important aspect of the character than anything else).

Still, looking it up now, there's definitely more in common than I remember there being. Spider-Man seems like a melting pot of a shitload of different people's ideas.

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>>78892081
And Wolverine.

>>78891916
>I don't get why they keep redesigning him at every opportunity
marketing
sells more shit

>>78891959
yes, a prose back up filler in #3

>>78892108
This. Stan Lee made a career out of stealing from DC, just like Marvel has done for the past 50 years.

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>>78891685
>calls others plebs
>calls out Lee for being obnoxious
>Knows fuck all about comics

Bait or retard? I cant decide.

>>78892081
He's a classic ideas guy who left the majority of the execution to more capable hands.
He deserves credit for what he did, but he definitely over-estimates how much of "creation" is just coming up with broad strokes.

>>78892053
Oh okay.

HOUSE OF MEMES EVERYONE

>>78892118
>sign work for hire contract
>bitch and moan about profits
These fuckers knew exactly what the deal was when they signed on the dotted line

>>78892185
You tell them, Sheeple! After all, you love it when your employers don't pay you, like a good libertarian.

>>78892185
people typically dont read the giant ass contracts given to them

and of course if they did ask to take them home and read with their lawyer you know what they'd be told

and if they objected to clauses in it and asked to renegotiate they'd be told no

>>78892208
>be Chuck Dixon
>create Bane
>get a nice check every time WB/DC uses the character
MAKE MINE MARVEL

>>78892222
and the funny thing is Bane is an evil rip off of Doc Savage

>>78892208
My employers pay me my pre negotiated salary just like the contract I signed dictates. Don't like your salary, quit or don't sign the contract

>>78891471
>>78891332
Because Stan wrote Cap comics for years and it's an important part of his history? (fact)
Hell if he didn't write Cap I doubt he would have moved on to bigger hero stuff (<====opinion)

>>78892215
Thats their fault for not reading, and nobody forced them to sign it

>>78892237
>Doc Savage
I haven't read enough of this character. Can you be more specific?

>>78892238
>>78892253
>I shut up and take it like a bitch
May I hire you? For zero dollars and no inusrance at all?

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>>78892172
>calls me a retard
>doesnt even know the guy who invented cosmic marvel

>>78892222
Marvel does that too, Anon. If you want I can dig up an interview from a year or two ago where Lobdell mentions how he still gets royalty checks for his 90s X-Men.

>>78892253
>and nobody forced them to sign it
yes thats right, you dont have to work you dont have to have a house or utilities or food you have the choice to go out on the street and die

>>78892222
>get a nice check every time WB/DC uses the character
Really? That's odd considering the lenghts they went to not to pay Tony Isabella anything for Black Lightning

>>78892258
Nope, I'm not going to sign that contract sir, I think I will find employment elsewhere

>>78892258
The way Bane is trained from birth and perfects himself and the two assistants he originally had was modeled on Doc and 2 of his assistants Monk and Ham
But Bane is an evil version of this
Pretty sure they admitted this

>>78892262
>Marvel does that too
lol sure they do shill. marvel has done everything in their power to destroy creator rights for 50 years now.

>>78892262
The 90s were truly the best decade for comics, huh?

>>78892278
Tell me more. And I will tell you about Gerber

>>78892280
See you tomorrow, Ayn.

>>78892268
>comic books are the only jobs out there for writers and artists

>>78892278
Wolverine and Black Lightning were made in the 70s

Bane and 90s x-men were made in the 90s
Its possible contracts have changed since those times and people are getting some residuals

>>78891324
More importantly why aren't X-Men?

>>78892268
but I''m a socialist who believes everyone should be paid a living wage

>>78892292
And now they belong to a big corporation that is also at war with creator rights since forever...

>>78892303
well yeah it was

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>>78892261
Bait confirmed then. Carry on.

>>78892336
No it wasn't

>>78892336
Maybe for shitty writers and artists

>>78892387
>>78892437
what else could they do? go work for disney? graphic design? thats more work for hire!

>>78892570
Or start their own companies.

>>78892570
chose a better career path, Literally nobody got royalties from comics, so signing a work for hire contract and then bitching about work for hire doesn't do you any good

>>78892601
>fuck rights
Why so Republicunt?

>>78891959
he's bluntly responsible for Cap's shield throwing attack. No he didn't create the character but he had an important part in it.

>>78892677
Revolutionary, indeed. Just for that he deserves sole credit.

>>78892616
I'm all for rights it's an employers right to write whatever they want to in a contract for possible employees, its a possible employees right to choose whether or not to sign said contract. Nobody put a gun to Len Wein's head and told him he had to work for Marvel Comics or else...

>>78892691
Stan Lee has never claimed any kind of responsibilty for the creation of Captain America

>>78892706
>muh employer rights!
I guess you're also white...

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>>78892728
Nobody owes you a god damned thing

>>78891324
If this was any other Big name comics guy having a book with all the big name characters of the publisher he is known for, none of you would give a single fuck. Stan hate is just out of control, but then again, it has always been.

>>78891406
This.
The dude is 90, give him a break.

>>78892724
But if the media say he created Cap, will he contact those media and tell them they're wrong? I thought not.

>>78892745
>Cap is in favor of stealing from employees
Gruenwald, right?

>>78892753
We also condemn Bob Kane, Marvel shill.

>>78892758
It's not stealing when the creators knowingly sign away all the rights to characters they create while under contract

>>78892810
It is stealing when you force creators to accept abusive conditions, knowing that they will find the same shit at other companies. The day you get a job you will know what it's like.

>>78892775
Stan is nowhere near as bad as Bob Kane

>>78892185
When has Len Wein ever bitched and moaned about profits?

>>78892834
Oh, he's something worse; he's a copycat.

>>78892827
>The day you get a job you will know what it's like.
Maybe if you didnt get a degree in liberal arts you wouldnt be making coffee at starbucks

>>78892827
Nobody forced anybody to do anything, they made the choice to sign the contract, they could've easily made more money in a different profession, but they chose writing and drawing cheap disposable entertainment for children

>>78892865
I'm a civil servant, boy. And I majored in Maths before that. Wanna try again? : )

>>78892881
>she was asking for it, Your Honor!
Excuses, excuses, excuses. For free; or is it for a fee? So much Marvel shilling these days

>>78892851
Idk about Len, but didn't his othet half Marv Wolfman sue Marvel over rights and lost?

>>78892914
I'm not shilling for Marvel, I'm shilling for the law and honoring a binding contract, DC did it too

>>78892941
>shilling for unjust laws
Yup, Republicunt whitey all right.

>>78892859
This. At least Kane actually created Batman.

>>78892956
Nigger, how is honoring a binding contract that someone willingly signs an unjust law?

>>78892914
>I'm a civil servant, boy.
>Math major
I too can make up bullshit.

>>78892992
>Nigger
Yup, Republicunt whitey all right.

>>78893003
>I too can make up bullshit.
Like STAN LEE CREATED MARVEL AND DC IN THE 1920s and such?

>>78892992
>willingly
Monsanto, how is everything? Still fighting them commies?

>>78892956
I also shill for the death of the corrupt senate when I'm in the mood and the military budget being drastically re-purposed over the next fifteen years towards fixing problems at home, and making non-green energy more or less illegal over the next twenty

>>78893021
For a math major you're a real dumbshit

>>78893037
So comic creators were made to sign contracts fot Marvel and DC against their will?

>>78892921
He tried to with Nova but he lost that one.

>>78893051
>b-but I'm a leftist!
That explains why you defend stealing.

>>78893058
Nah, it's just that being a civil servant in my country is living the dream, so I get bored easily.

>>78893087
As I said, the day you get a job you'll understand what I'm saying. Ta-ta, millennial kids.

>>78893037
>It's everybody else's fault for my poor life decisions

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>>78892971
>Kane actually created Batman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why do Lee apologists always fall back on "at least he's not as bad as Kane"?

>>78893475
Because Kane only took credit for one character.

>>78892215
maybe one day UNICEF will get into the comic book buisness

>>78891976
Too minimalist. It looks fucking sick, but it doesn't pop like the classic suit does.