Those are all spider-man references. aren't they?
Who else could be the guy who jumps and the guy who swings?
I don't think you realize how many women that describes.
That's actually a pretty funny video.
Maybe if you weren't a joyless rapist, you could find humor in it.
Are you from /tv/?
Everyone on /tv/ claims to "hate" her, but no one's really sure why.
Probably some vague "she's an SJW/feminist that threatens my masculinity somehow" reason.
I recommend killing yourself if you're that thin-skinned.
amazing. being one of the few guys that wears makeup gives me a massive advantage also protip: every male actor wears makeup, and very few are still very attractive without it
pretty in photos/tv. in person, mixed results.
you can go REALLY heavy on makeup, and take photos, post on reddit, etc and look great. But, in person, the amount you are wearing would look really out of place 99% of the time.
If guy, remember the point of makeup is to accent features. a man should use makeup differently then a women. you are not trying to accent feminine features. you want to accent masculine ones.
To be fair, there's no winning. When they don't use makeup, they get called on it. When they do, they get called on it too.
Personally, I don't mind makeup. I don't know what sorcery they do with it, but it's an interesting tool. However, people depend on makeup too much. That girl really needs skincare help instead of makeup tricks. Just look to Korean skincare---they know their shit.
Makeup is okay if you use it minimally, I think. Less is definitely more. Just use it to enhance brows and eyes, anon. If you have skin trouble, fix that first. Good skin > makeup any day.
Look to korean skincare/beauty tips. They are very advanced at that department.
I thought young boys were already taught not to rape. I mean, I've been living in a first world country my entire life and I don't think I've ever seen anyone teaching kids that rape is a good thing. Wouldn't treating boys like they're ticking time bombs / rapist monsters just be a serious hit to their self perception?
You know, if she didn't shave her fucking eyebrows and took care of that acne instead of covering it with makeup, clogging the pores and making it worse for herself, she wouldn't even need makeup.
i recommend killing yourself for arriving to a conclusion on my person that has nothing to do with me
but, t b h work on the sjw/masculinity/tv dig x kill yourself edge and you'll be on your way to actual potent /tv/ bait
Well yes, but it's usually in first world countries where the "teach boys not to rape" line is most commonly used, though that's just in my own experience. Obviously in other countries awareness is still something that needs to be worked on, but a lot of the time it doesn't seem like that's where the focus is.
I know there are people trying to educate about women and rape in India but I guess it's an uphill battle. As for first world countries, I guess it's the culture and freedom that you can express or fight something freely. And I guess it's also because it's a truly frowned upon thing to do that it gets a lot of voices against it, while in other countries it's not given that much of a spotlight locally because it's not treated like in the west.
>Just look at India.
They have a problem with sex in general in India.
Sex is considered impure so they don't talk about it. I have seen a documentary where a european women was explaining that grown men couldn't really talk about sex, they were like teenagers.
And when a girl is raped, she can't talk about it because her body has become impure.
India is just all kind of fucked up
>still use the caste system
>dump all their shit in the river they do everything in (dead bodies, sewage, drinking, bathing)
>militants will kill you for eating cow, or if you are rumored to have eaten cow
>massive overpopulation because no sex education
>islamophobia that makes trump look like the MLK
It's the ending of the bad Ant-Man movie
So those non-characters that were the butt of half the jokes in the film, are what you consider "good" cinema? The generic white male villain was good to you? The plot holes were good?
Fuck off, you massive moron
Not that she had a big role or anything, but fuck, could've given it to some unknown so they'd have a chance in the industry or something. She's established, has a following, and will likely live comfortably for the rest of her life
Is this legit because after 20+ years of a great complexion despite never being girly and using makeup, I get blemishes out of nowhere whenever I try learning to apply things. Usually a day or two after I've worn makeup I'll notice it. I would rather be homely with smooth skin than look like a model with a secret pizza face underneath.
I've never seen any, but I'm going to guess she goes on and on about it.
>"Oh, you don't like that superhero movies are unbelievably oversaturated, and this year there's going to be roughly a billion released this year? Let me explain why that's problematic"
So it is for most womens' prettyness in modern western culture. So yeah, that's a strange qualifier. Wearing makeup every day is the norm. How do you be a human adult and not know this very elementary fact about culture.
I know nothing about this woman other than she's smoking hot and has worn the slave leia outfit.
This is all that matters to me.
Why do hot asian chicks always date lame looking white dudes?
I get the idea, but because of "rape" being the hot topic of 2015, everyone sees it as a more prevalent issue than it is. It's not like your average joe in his right mind is going to go "hey I think I'll just rape her, that's always an option!"
People who rape are morally and mentally fucked up, just like any other criminal. It's like saying "teach boys not to steal cars" or "teach boys not to murder." It's a no-brainer, and it is being taught. No sane person thinks rape is "okay." People will do wrong things no matter what they're told. Just about everyone who rapes knows that it's illegal and wrong in society's point of view. Someone telling them that it's wrong doesn't change their mind.
Sure, living in a society where we could leave our doors unlocked and keeping our car keys in our car and walking safely through a dark alley in the middle of the night would be amazing. But this is reality, and criminals will always exist, their thought process can't be changed. Not every person in the world is sane and has it all together up there.
There are a lot of times the line gets blurred though. One time I was having group sex when things started getting way too rough for me and people were shoving inhalants in my face. Yes I originally consented to sex, but when it became something that I didn't want to take part in, multiple men much larger than me held me down and wouldn't let me go. That was rape, but they all thought it was ok because I "consented."
The whole point is to promote people being more aware of what consent means. Maybe I shouldn't have put myself in that situation since I ended up enjoying it so much less than I thought I would, but that doesn't excuse the actions of my rapists.
this is why I'm glad my girlfriend doesn't wear makeup. She's gorgeous without it and will look that way 24/7, as opposed to make-up wearing girls only looking good a few hours of the day. Don't have to worry about going to sleep with an angel and waking up to a goblin.
Why can't girls just accept their natural looks? If that girl in the picture kept her eyebrows and stopped putting shit on her face that's giving her such bad acne, she would actually look decent.
This is going to sound like such a bigoted point of view, but honestly that's kind of why I believe sex is something only to be shared with close people deep in love that's lasted some years already. Sex only in marriage doesn't seem such a bad idea either.
I mean you can go ahead and do the things you want to do, I'm not forcing it on you. It's my own point of view.
But the big thing about relationships and sex is trust, so if you only half trust or don't even have enough of a basis to trust someone (like a friend with benefits, a person you picked up from a bar, or group sex, etc.), it's not going to work out. It's dangerous and you don't know what's going to happen. But if it's shared with the love of your life of several years who you trust and have a strong reason to trust, nothing will happen against your will.
But I'm boring and old fashioned, so maybe that's stupid.
>People who rape are morally and mentally fucked up, just like any other criminal.
Not really, no. Not that I'm saying everything is rape like some activists, but neither is it a guy with a mask and a knife. Sex makes things weird; people treat other people differently if they think they can fuck them - sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad.
It's a murky issue with different definitions on different conditions.
But that happens in loving relationships too. The idea that rape can't happen while you're in a relationship is wrong. Most people know their rapist. That's education about consent is important. It shouldn't be taboo to talk about sex with the person you're actually going to have sex with.
If that's the case, then it isn't rape that we should be drawing attention to and attempting to eradicate. It's the idea that some/certain women "want it" and are just waiting for some guy to force himself on them, and the idea that it's the man's responsibility to initiate sex in an average relationship. When you combine those two aspects, it creates the toxic notion that if the guy doesn't make sex happen, then it just won't, and the girl will lose interest or think that the guy isn't interested.
Yeah, those are big parts of dismantling rape culture. Also not shaming women who have sex so that women can be honest about their sexual desires. It's a complex issue with a number of facets, but when they all come from a place of wanting rape to happen less.
>can get away with raping
If you're always looking for an excuse to rape someone, the person's clothing isn't the issue - it's you.
But with that said, the way we dress isn't arbitrary; it conveys a message. When we wear clothing that covers our skin and body shape, it says: My body is private, and not for your amusement. When we wear clothing that is very revealing and shows off our body shape, it says: My body is on display, take a good look because it's available and I'm putting it out there.
It's the same way that wearing a suit and tie says: I'm powerful, wealthy, or at least intelligent, while wearing sweatpants and a t-shirt says: I'm sloppy, casual, and possibly lower-income.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Thinking of movie sex scenes, for example, it's the two people talking, then all of a sudden the man kisses her and she kisses back, he takes her clothes off and she does his, then he fucks her. There's no consent at all there being obviously implied. It's just the woman receiving it silently as the man forces his way onto her and initiating it.
Most people are heavily influenced by film, knowingly and subconsciously. All media basically. But the movies essentially teach in most sex scenes that "the man must initiate sex out of nowhere and she'll take it." Which confuses people. It makes men think this is how they initiate sex as well in real life. Also with women taking the silent approach in movies, some men will think "well in the movie, the guy comes onto her and she takes it in without saying anything. So in real life, if she doesn't say anything, I guess that means she wants it."
I'm just speaking for the subconscious, I'm not saying people LITERALLY think that way. But when people learn about these things from movies and other media, it gives them the wrong idea about sex and how it works.
Clothes do send a message, but it's not even close to that simple. Do I dress in revelaing/sexualized clothing when I'm trying to attract someone? Yeah, but I also wear it sometimes just for the fuck of it. What someone is wearing is never an excuse to treat them like shit.
Unless you accompanied that with therapy and treatment for whatever underlying disorder is causing them to want to murder people. Also, a big part of the discussion is that people are ok with rape in a lot of situations because they don't understand that it's rape
Listen, I agree with you, but there isn't a "rape culture." We don't live in a culture where every man wants to rape every woman. Insane criminals, for sure. But the hot topic here is normal, sane people. They don't actually want to rape anyone. It's just some people are misinformed. They don't think they're raping anyone when they've been taught the mindset this guy mentioned >>78904897 . They think that's just how sex works. It's in film like this guy said >>78905172 so they think sex without actual consent is normal.
BUT, there are people who knowingly rape, but nothing you say will stop them any more than it would stop a murderer or a car thief.
The solution is to teach people how consent with sex really works, and more films with sex scenes implementing that to correct the mass confusion. Also fixing the thought processes here >>78904897
No, that's not stupid. Not bigoted either. That's actually my view too. I accept that some people have looser views about this, even if I don't agree. Pluralism isn't about celebrating other views as pretty much equally correct, it's about tolerating the views of others, even of those I disagree with, and even of those I might even find abhorrent.
Forgive my ignorance because I don't know statistics, but I think it's pretty clear that when someone says no they don't want something, then that means no. It's simple. So the idea that "education about consent" is such an important thing doesn't really add up to me. IMO probably at least 95% of "but I didn't know it was rape" defenses are just after-the-fact rationalizations/self-justifications.
It's just getting caught out doing something wrong, and then trying to justify your actions, just like everybody does with everything.
Nice one, make it look like I think rape is good to support your argument.
Like I said, rape is at an all time low. There is no rape culture. Every man in a western nation knows that rape is bad. That's it's one of the worst things you can do to someone else.
Those things you mentioned are what people refer to when they say "rape culture." No one in their right mind thinks all men are rapists, but there are ideas in place in society that excuse rape or other forms of sexual abuse and those need to be addressed.
as a male knowing both the social and legal ramifications of being accused of rape I would make sure in all cases that the sex was consensual. Is it hard to ask "do you want to do this?" I'd rather the awkwardness of that situation, and "losing the moment" than go to jail..
It's more that people don't understand that they are raping someone else. Read here >>78904897 .
By rape, I mean sex without consent. So they're essentially initiating sex without receiving consent or giving it, so the girl might take it in without saying anything. Think about if you ever just didn't feel like having sex, and then all of a sudden, your girlfriend starting making out with you and started fucking you. You just kind of bare with it but there was no consent involved. That's essentially rape, but I mean I've been there I don't really care about it. I don't feel raped or scarred or anything. I just didn't feel like it but wanted to make her happy.
But it's beneficial for people in relationships to understand consent so that they aren't put in that situation of doing something they really don't want to do.
>shaming women who have sex
I don't get this claim, unless it's coming from either the religious conservative American south, or from other countries where women are undervalued.
Because in North America, I have never heard anyone ever shaming a woman for having sex, whether it be in social situations, in public, or even in media. If anything, you hear about how weird a woman is for being a total prude and having never had sex.
The shaming doesn't come from being sexually active - it comes from abusing sex: From being too fast and loose with your body, from expecting sex on a regular basis from anyone, from jumping from one person to another and just using them for sex, from using sex as a tool for leverage or a punishment/reward system, or from feeling the need to seek extra-relationship sex.
It's not that we need to stop shaming women for these things, it's that we need to be more public about shaming men for these things. They aren't honorable or noble traits for men to exhibit either. The only people who worship/reward this behavior are other lowlife men who devalue sex and women just as much as the man-slut in question.
That's a ridiculous generalization to make. Do jokes involving rape automatically trivialize it? No. Do people often joke about it in a trivializing matter? Yeah. Also, I wasn't even talking about jokes, just people who act like it isn't a big deal for the people who go through it.
thats still the womans fault for sending mixed signals. My gf and i have been together for 5 years but I still can't read the signals sometimes. from the beginning I knew she had a bdsm fetish and wants to be taken sometimes.
But sometimes when i take it she says no.. the fuck?
>he thinks having prior consent means he still can't be charged with rape
It's 2016, shitlord. Regret is rape
if the person doesn't want sex they should be an adult and say so. Fuck.
unless they're not an adult then that's a different story alltogether.
If you were "raped" simply because you didn't feel like having sex with a person but were too apathetic to simply say no, or not right now then you deserve to be blamed and you deserved to be slut shamed.
Telepathy isn't as common in the real world as it is in the 616 so how the fuck is someone supposed to know you didn't want it...
Are you really that afraid of talking to someone before you have sex?
>Hey person I'm about to fuck, I'm into x, y, and z. How do you feel about that?
>Well, I'm only into x and z.
>Then we won't do y
It's so simple.
I didn't know this was Rashida Jones the first time around
Oh man, I'm not even getting into the whole bdsm/roleplay shit, that's a minefield. I just don't know man. people are messed up huh (no judgment implied here, I include myself in this)
but notice if you followed my view of only having sexual relations with a person you have been in a loving relationship with for years, you'd already know this about the person ;v)
It doesn't fucking matter either way mate. If my partner wants to accuse me of rape my mugshots going up no matter what the circumstances.
But since I don't have random hookups with people I don't know, I don't have to worry about ruining the mood with a twenty questions on how exactly they like sex.
That's the problem - seeing something as simple as asking if the person wants to be intimate as being "clinical and passionless".
Sex doesn't have to be some act of raw animal aggression, communicated solely in squeezes and grunts for it to be passionate and erotic.
When things start heating up and getting handsy, and you think he/she might be as horny as you, what's so mood-killing about whispering "So, do you want to take this to the bedroom?"
I know that. I'm fine with it actually, if she needs sex, then I'll do it for her. Sometimes it's nice to do things for people you care about even if you aren't in the mood to.
But the point is, according to society, the person initiating should ask first. Just say "hey, do you want this?" or something, and if it's a yes then you're good.
Of course the person receiving should stand up for themselves, but apparently a lot of women don't want to do that or are intimidated, hence a lot of the feminists claiming "rape culture." If men started asking first before having sex, then it solves the problem. If she replies yes but really doesn't mean it, then she's retarded and there really is no excuse and they have no basis to even say they were raped.
But really, the true answer is people should speak up for themselves. Asking first before initiation and speaking up if you ever don't want something is the sole solution. It's not even complex.
So these are the kinds of people who end up "forgetting to use a condom" and having kids they regret. Too simple to think beyond "SO HORNY PENIS IN VAGINA NOW" long enough to actually realize what they're doing.
What the fuck is the difference between answering a question, and just telling someone no when they start touching you?
If she isn't going to stand up for herself in one situation, why would she in another?
>doesn't address what I'm saying
>just accuses me of being some kind of caveman
There's a difference between asking if they'd like to have sex, and going over their list of kinks to make sure you don't do anything remotely that they don't want.
Where they learn other critical cultural elements. Through rap music. The song about date rape was very important in getting that problem recognized.
>I thought young boys were already taught not to rape.
No. Some aren't even taught basic things like throwing trash away, not murdering people. In some cases, boys are actually taught TO rape. And I'm talking about the west here, not some fucked up hellhole like somalia.
>No. Some aren't even taught basic things like throwing trash away, not murdering people. In some cases, boys are actually taught TO rape
Where, exactly, are boys taught all these things?
>Josie was DRUNK
>That means she was NOT in control of her mental faculties, and COULD NOT make informed consent to share her body with anyone
>She is INNOCENT, as she was DRUNK and didn't know better
>Jake was DRUNK too
>But it's his fault
>So either he wasn't in control of his mental faculties either, or Josie actually was in control of her mental faculties all along, which means he was in the same mental state as her
>But fuck that. He is GUILTY. He should have known better.
But that's the point. Because I don't pick up crazy chicks at bars, I can have these discussions not immediately before sex. I already know what she likes before we get to the point where clothes are coming off.
No, the real problem is that certain parts of society want to categorize, partition and relabel social interaction to the point making someone feel uncomfortable during a non-sexual conversation is considered a form of sexual harassment. To the point you need to have a long discussion when you should be able to pick up on basic physical cues.
that image is basically saying only men can rape. a bullshit sentiment that seems to have quite a widespread echo in the age of millenials. it's not black and white like that, and I don't know why it keeps getting worse.
that being said, I've had the EXACT situation in that louis ck video happen to me, and because I'm not INSANE, she called me a pussy because I didn't "rape" her even if that was what she wanted. so it's just a fucking curveball however you look at it.
basically, it comes down to: don't stick your dick in crazy unless you're ready for potential blowback.
It's a completely different situation. If you're asking someone, they'll probably tell you what they want if you're both about to fuck, but if you just start doing something they don't like, they might be afraid to tell you to stop
You're afraid of asking for consent, what she likes and what she doesn't want, etc. because it will "kill the mood". But obviously you haven't done it, you're assuming it will kill the mood, so you're afraid to do it. Nothing's being misrepresented here.
let's say your gf starts fingering your asshole. You're like "the fuck? This doesn't feel good at all." but she's getting really into it and is enjoying it more than anything so far.
Would you really be willing to stop her when she's enjoying it that much? That's what he means by being afraid. It's afraid of ruining the enjoyment, not afraid of saying no in fear of some kind of repercussion.
>Where are all these problems in our society coming from? Why do people keep glorifying violence, crime, consumer excess, and the debasement of women?
>How about this insanely popular form of media that glorifies violence, crime, consumer excess, and the debasement of women, often simultaneously?
>HOW DARE YOU criticize our most proud and entertaining form of media! You're clearly just a crazy person, who hates fun, and harbors deep internal racism and prejudice toward african-american people! Maybe if you listened to some wholesome gangster rap it would help you understand american culture and give you a greater insight into our diverse peoples and innocent forms of entertainment.
I can sort of understand the situation, where you're just sort of apathetic, but not defiant, thinking to yourself "what's going on? ok, dunno if I'm in the mood, I don't know, I suppose, maybe", and just going along with it even though you never would've suggested it in the first place. But I've never been in that situation myself, and so maybe I should stop analogizing it in my head with going along with someone to a restaurant when you're not really hungry.
yeah it's funny, the very thing I was thinking of when reading that image was "surely, Jake could NOT consent too".
But to be fair, the impact of something like a car accident isn't lessened if both driver and victim were drunk. A catastrophic thing still happened. But the apportioning of blame is something else entirely.
>But to be fair, the impact of something like a car accident isn't lessened if both driver and victim were drunk
How is that even remotely comparable to two drunk people hooking up?
To be fair, there isn't even a victim if both drunk drivers are drunk. They're both at fault, theoretically.
So if both are drunk during sex and can't "consent," then they are both at fault and must accept it.
Then that's not rape, that's implied consent.
Atleast with fear of repercussion there's a misunderstanding of implied coercion vs implied consent but in the case of going along with something because you'd rather they be happy than you be comfortable it's just consent.
I'd say they're comparable.
>You're afraid of asking for consent
You talk about those things long before you decide to stick your who-who-dilly in her cha-cha. Not as you're right at that point. Plus there's this thing called body language.
No if you're crying rape you obviously don't care about your partner's happiness which is why I'd imagine the fear that a date rape would become a beating rape is a more likely explanation.
Yeah it's such an easily understood language too.
>I'd say they're comparable.
The difference is that video games take place in the realm of fantasy. Meanwhile, the artists and entertainers at the top of the rap/hip-hop empire claim that they themselves have engaged and/or do engage in those acts, that they enjoyed those acts, and that it is the result of those acts that they have achieved real-world wealth, fame, and adoration.
Video games say: This kind of thing is only possible in the realm of fantasy, so you might as well enjoy pretending.
Rap/Gangster culture says: I actually did it and became a real-life legend, you can do it too!
none of the post implied otherwise, but they are both arguably "insanely popular".
Because in both, a catastrophic thing still happened, even when both parties were drunk. Going by the advert, a crime happened -- whether it actually did or not is a different issue, but we're scrutinizing what the advert actually asserts, going by its own logic -- just like in the car collision. One or both or none being drunk doesn't change the fact of the incident happening, that's all I was saying.
Just fuck this shit.
If you love your girlfriend/wife and communicate with her and she with you, rape isn't going to happen. It's impossible. Why can't people just do things that
(TRIGGER WARNING: the right)way?
you're trying to get a rise out of me, aren't you. Well it won't work.
This is an accurate description desu. If a car and a human come in contact, the car is the one to blame, and the human is the victim. Even if the human jumped in front of the car or ran at the car head on, the car is still the one at fault who is damaging the human, aka the victim. It doesn't change anything.
This explains the way rape works. A man can only rape a woman, it just doesn't work vice versa because only a man has that ability.
>OP makes a thread about Spider-Man references in Ant-Man
>quickly turns into an anti-SJW thread simply because a woman made them
Well it turned into it because the Woman did the whole "teach men not to rape" bit, which lead to a discussion about consent. Why are you so afraid of the Anti-SJW boogeyman anon?
I never thought I'd see the day where /co/ genuinely argues for censorship because "think of the (black) children".
Claiming it's all because of rap music is basically agreeing with Corruption of the Innocent and other " cowadoody made Timmy go on a killing spree" soccer mom bs. Except you know, this time it's not a media you consume.
They were more pointing out Vidya was bigger than Hip Hop not the entire medium glorifies objectification and violence. That said Hip Hop doesn't do that either, in fact there are parts of the genre that are non-objective.
I remembered when she was dating Ray William Johnson and they had a blooper on one of her videos where they were messing around and he was choking her playfully then for reals for a second.
That's like saying video games are teaching kids to kill people, which as any sane person knows, is complete bullshit.
>She's not even that pretty. It's all make-up.
no shit why do you think the make-up industry is insanely profitable
almost every woman uses that shit man otherwise they look like dudes with bigger cheeks and weaker chins
And worst of all, they can't use a fucking phone.
I work tech support, and the Indians who call in are just the worst.
>I can't download this game. I keep getting an error "insufficient storage." What does it mean?
>I can't download this app.
Do you have internet access?
Do you mongs even know what you sound like?
So because she's mildly internet famous, she's not allowed to be in Hollywood movies?
How does that make any fucking sense?
I thought /co/ was supposed to be immune from this virgin crybaby bullshit.
Quite the interesting thread this turned into...
That's crazy. Are you male or female? What happened after? I hope you're doing as well as can be expected or better.
It's not bigoted and I agree with you in principle.
>islamophobia that makes trump look like the MLK
See, that's just sensible.
I work at Microsoft and there's a pretty regular pattern every group follows here.
1. Decide incident management/developer costs are too high.
2. Start process to outsource to India Datacenter.
3. Indian vendor company gives ridiculously low price quote.
4. Vendor company actually winds up being more expensive than quoted, on top of that all the vendors are actually working two contracts at once and there's tons of "shadow resources" so you're never quite sure who's actually working on your shit.
5. Vendors technically hit the metrics but only due to abuse of recording mechanism. Actual job done is shitty because anyone remotely competent has gotten a job in the states. Sloppy code, basic fucking incidents escalated all the way to T4.
5. PM eventually gets fed up with this shit and moves jobs back to Redmond.
6. New PM comes on board, goes back to step 1.
I just don't fucking understand it. I have trouble seeing people this stupid as humans sometimes. What is it, just lack of education? How can people not understand simple things? These are the people who need their government to raise awareness to remind them not to shit in the streets, as well as the same race going around and trying to essentially take over the whole fucking world.
Just what? I'm not trying to be racist, but how are certain races so much more mentally deluded and stupid? What causes this?
Gonna use this /co/ thread to mull over some rape in my past. Go through this with me if you have some time.
You're at a friend's birthday party enjoying some drinks. It's late, so most people have gone and the only people left are all close friends who are doing their best to finish off the beers in the cooler. Everyone's laughing and reminiscing.
The night winds down and you're invited to stay the night, but the rooms will have to be divvied up. Birthday boy goes to his room, girlfriend in tow. Your best friend and his girlfriend hobble off to the guest bedroom. Then birthday guy's sister suggests that you and your other bro sleep in her bed. Everyone piles together, your buddy on one side of you and your girl friend on the other; big spoon, middle spoon, little spoon. Memory gets muddy for you here, but you remember cuddling with your friend's sister, hand on her belly, then lower and lower -- but your memory goes blank here.
In the morning, your bro says that the sister talked to him and said you were being too handsy. Years later, you see her at a wedding and talk like old friends. Same with every other time you see her.
Did you do something wrong? Would you feel guilty?
>>Pretty sure the video game industry is a larger market than the whole music industry
Yeah sure thing, son. That's why video game developers can leverage massive power via lobbyists and are constantly hounded by the press at award shows. Teenage girls across the midwest are blowing up tumblr and twitter with their sick ass Intelligent Systems memes, not Taylor Swift.
Nothing happened. Handsy could mean anything. Chances are it just meant because you had your hand on her stomach. Normal people don't spoon with strangers and put their hands on people's stomachs. It's a sensitive area. So she could've complained about that as an advance. If you did something sexual, she wouldn't be talking to you like normal.
You've been worrying about something all this time for no reason, anon.
We were all good friends, though. We wouldn't have been sharing a bed otherwise.
Wish she had said something, though. A gentle no, or guiding my hand out of her pants, even just tensing up would have been an obvious clue. Anything other than laying there in her underwear and relaxing her ass against my boner. Good to know I didn't rape anyone and was only guilty of batting out of my league.
That woman is a fucking leech. She dated RWJ for a while until her subscriber base went up and then dumped him, that's why she's as popular as she is. Which isn't to say RWJ was good or anything, but at least built himself up with his commentary and personality rather than being attached to someone bigger.
She's a vapid cunt of the highest order.
Azns are low tier and have the most disgusting looking vaginas out of any race of women. And as I said this Anna chick looks like E.T. with an overbite and wig. Don't talk to me about shit taste, kid.
most asian women I've been with have normal looking vaginas, though there are exceptions with every race. I have yet to see a beef flap asian though.
Moreover, why are you so concerned about how the vagina looks? Does it matter to you that much while your pecker is inside??
If it does you might be an autist.
I don't even know what to say to the other part of the post except
ET has big eyes moron.
>yet to see a beef flap asian though.
Is this a joke? Watch a JAV and prepare to lose your sexual appetite
>Moreover, why are you so concerned about how the vagina looks?
Disgusting looking vaginas don't get me hard, it's pretty simple dumbass.
You think a chick is going to get turned on by a bent penis?
>ET has big eyes moron.
And a long leg, big hands, and a hunchback like posture like this woman has.
There's a difference between showing skin and activately communicating to everybody that you're a racist nationalist. Also...the holocaust is the most well-recorded genocide in history.
You'll find uncensored JAVs on porn sites you idiot.
> he likes disgusting pussies
Point at him an laugh
If not a roastie you'll find a girl with unkempt pubes up to her navel.
Keep masturbating to ayyy lmaos my friend
Hopefully one day you'll know the meaning of taste
> a little bit
> defending roasties
You never answered by bent dick question btw
This isn't 2006. Youtube celebs are real celebs now. Last I checked PewDiePie had 30 million people watching his videos daily and his company was bought by Disney.
Enjoy your (You).
Isn't rape a crime?
Isn't it stupid to keep shouting "stop commiting crimes, people!" then?
I mean, there's the law, and morals, and it's not like someone actually encourages crime anywhere in the world.
If crime is common, perhaps the punishment is too light? Or criminals get too much freedom? I dunno.
>Have a form to sign every time they want to have sex?
They have those and frankly at this point that's not a bad idea. It's just like a condom, only legal protection instead of physical.
Just make an app for it, get a thumb print, and you're covered from the day after lawsuits.
It really bothers me
It makes me feel conflicted
>boys are actually taught TO rape
Men are awful. Throw them off of cliffs. Burn them at birth. Abort all male babies.
Listen, you shit faced mutt of a cunt, have your equality, fucking choke on it for all I fucking care, but don't you dare, daaaaaare claim that men in the west are telling their Sons to rape.
Because you're a filthy cunt monster, you don't know that when a man has an accusation like rape thrown at him, he doesn't get high fives. He gets the shit beaten out of him any time someone recognizes him. In some cases, he's beaten to death, over the accusation, no conviction.
Innocent children, in your mind, are rape monsters waiting to happen, because everything about men is toxic and evil to you.
I work with kids, they check each other's genitals out, it's what kids do, do you know what flaming ovary beasts like you do to little boys for looking in a girl's pants? You send him to therapy. 5 fucking years old, and going to therapy for confirming why boys stand up and pee, and girls don't. NEVER, in my time as a teacher, have I EVER witnessed a little girl being scolded for doing anything to boys. These little shitfucks walk up to boys and kick them in the crotch, point and laugh, then walk away. If a boy retaliates, he's sent to therapy, ANNNNDDDD suspended for two weeks, and therapy mandatory, otherwise he's not allowed to return to class.
So you, you useless bag of meat and hair, can fuck off back to Cuntville, I hope you trip on a dildo and suffocate on your own vomit.
Eat shit and die - sincerely,
A thinking human being.
Some people rape, steal, lie, and kill.
That's just a fact of life.
Don't want to be a victim? Be prepared to protect yourself. Why don't you own a gun or anything else for personal protection?
You are responsible for yourself. You can't educate people out of their nature. If we could we wouldn't have things like the police or courts.
Police is slow, a gun is fast.
You can't teach shitskin imigrants from muslim nations not to rape, you can only enforce with a steady hand your laws against rape until they learn they won't get away with it.
The only other thing to do is to be ready to protect yourself.
jesus tapdancing christ what the literal fuck
because women are largely judged by their appearance before anything else, moreso than men who simply need to dress OK. a man could look ugly as sin and no one will comment, a woman if she's not pretty there will be several comments about that fact.
it's incredibly easy for a man to say "just be your beautiful self" but unless your girlfriend won the genetic lottery everyone else has to make due with some makeup.
is where some of the words used stops being super clear. culturally we recognize rape is bad - but we have a cloudy definition of what rape is. if a stranger jumps out of a dark alleyway and pulls down your pants and goes to town right then and there we'll recognize that as the most evil thing ever, but when someone wants to back out of sex there's a significant portion of the population that thinks that's not a thing you're allowed to do. we got sleepfuckers, we got "you asked for it" types, all of this clouding elements that undermine the basic idea that you don't have sex with someone that is at all unwilling or coerced.
it might be safe to say that you, personally, recognize that you shouldn't continue fucking someone if they ask you to stop or if you're holding something over them, but the stereotypical dudebro college dumbass doesn't recognize that someone being unable to resist because they're black out drunk doesn't make it not rape.
that's literally all the "teaching boys not to rape" thing is, telling dudebros when they go to college what consent actually is because social situations sometimes makes that unclear, especially when you're drunk.
Women shouldn't fuck around with random people if they don't want to start regretting it in the middle of the act and then call it rape.
Have some fucking responsibility for your goddamned self.
ok so if you're having sex with a chick and she hulks out and starts shoving nearby objects up your ass, you have no right to tell her no? you just gotta accept that you're going to be shitting out half the bedroom in the morning?
What? Of course not. That would be definitely rape and would be illegal and the guy should go to prison if he in fact did not stop after that kind of reaction.
But women have to realize that no amount of education is going to stop actual rapists. If you want to avoid rape stop riding the cock carousel with random people without expectation that it will end badly. If you don't wan to get raped carry a fucking gun, and don't push for retarded brainwashing of masses about how men apparently think rape is A-OK.
like if some trans person was incredibly passable and you go to the bed and she whips out the most massive dong you've ever seen and starts choking you with her monster cock are you just going to swallow and accept your fate? you already gave permission, it is now time to pay the price.
Well, for one I might actually enjoy it, and that would not make it rape. Who knows.
Also, I'm not a woman, if I felt like I was being wronged I would first protest verbally and if that had no effect I would simply introduce that person to the ground with my own hands.
It's very simple for me.
it seems you fundamentally misunderstand what the actual concerns are. a woman that consents and gives her partner no fucking clue that she wants it to stop isn't being fair at all and no one should be seriously advocating that withdrawing consent after the sex is already over should be a real thing, it shouldn't be possible to trick someone into raping you. the issue is that far too many dickwads believe that you can't withdraw consent at any point, you can't ask someone to stop if you decide you don't like it, you can't say no when they decide they're going to start indulging in their gross ass fetish.
ok but at that point you're physically defending yourself because you don't want to be raped. right now we're arguing what rape IS, we're wanting society in general to recognize that a yes or a lack of a no isn't a free pass to completely ignore further protests.
BUT EVERYONE ALREADY FUCKING UNDERSTANDS THAT
Any sane male in the western world KNOWS that rape is bad and understands consent.
My point is SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T CARE.
Buy a fucking gun.
there are. i disagree with them. there's more to it philosophically, but in practical terms i see no real way to account for that sort of situation short of someone deliberately manufacturing a situation to "force" someone to consent without them really knowing it, like pretending to be someone's spouse or whatever.
Another favourite of mine.
but not everyone actually understands that. changing societal attitudes won't physically make people incapable of rape, it makes rape less likely to happen in the first place by people who are genuinely ignorant - ie college boys that are having their first serious sexual encounters and have no fucking clue what they're doing. very few rapes are the forceful stranger death threats involved situations you'd see on daytime crime dramas, most involve some dude honestly believing what he did wasn't rape.
also i'm not >>78904334 if that clarifies things
>but not everyone actually understands that
Yes they fucking do.
Oh look, another retardation of yours. Universities and colleges have lower rape statistics than pretty much any other place.
You are delusional and perpetuating a narrative of which purpose I'm very curious.
I really wonder who wants so much to drive this wedge between genders so badly.
ok, here's a question: why do you care? the woman's not the one that should be prosecuted, right? you do know that women who don't swing or have that much sex also get raped, right? why is there a general insistence that the woman prove that she was armed to the teeth when she thought she was with someone she could trust, like a boyfriend or someone she totally wasn't expected a sexual encounter with? do you carry a bowie knife with you when you have a friend over for a drink? do your kung-fu moves kick in when someone surprises you? are you willing to kill someone you care about just because of a rape that you're not entirely convinced they meant to be so rapey?
obviously self defense is practical, but saying "you should have defended yourself" after the fact is fucking useless and just distracts from a much more useful discussion surrounding why people who have sex with men and almost exclusively people who have sex with men get raped. women can rape too, yes, but it's not nearly on the same scale and it's not entirely because the genitals involved make things more complicated when they've got fingers like anyone else.
i mean if you're going to a swinger's club like that one anon did and you're completely naked because you're in the middle of consensual sex and a bunch of bigger dudes start dogpiling you, what is the karate kid response to that? is he supposed to turn into the governator and just mow everyone down with the machine guns loaded in his nipples? why does this not come up nearly as often and nearly as angrily with other violent crime?
The term rape has grown so far past what it originally meant that it has become detrimental to the seriousness of the crimes it gets attached to. When people say "boys know not to rape", they mean "boys know not to beat to a pulp then fuck a woman", where as the people saying "we should teach boys not to rape" mean "we should teach boys that consent is a tricky topic to navigate". This talking past of each other lends itself well to clouding the issue and generally creating an argumentive attitude.
iunno where you got that idea unless you're assuming everyone discussing rape is a straw feminist. the people i'm arguing with (apparently including you?) have already agreed we have a very similar definition of rape. not all men are rapists. it's not about all men being rapists. it's about changing societal attitudes so that fewer rapists exist, so that we stop getting hung up over whether a woman's pants were too tight and just agree that people who try to be sneaky about how they fuck people are scumbags.
also what this dude said. you guys mostly have an understanding that consent isn't entirely black and white, but the general dumb internet arguing has led many people associating these discussions with a personal attack on their identity, ie as a gamer or as a man. it's not like shitty people don't do that, but you can't let those shitty people turn you into a /pol/ skinhead out of spite.
i never said they shouldn't. the general public isn't the police, though, and you have examples like italy where a woman wearing tight pants was considered proof that a rape didn't happen, since they were just too tight to forcefully pull off (as opposed to just coercing the woman to take the pants off or let him take them off). rape is inherently hard to definitively prove, the hope is that we can move away from looking for stupid reasons to dismiss charges as there's already plenty of things that could allow an actual rapist to get away with it.
But there IS consent there. The man kisses, she kisses back, things proceed from there. Plenty of films and television programs portray women not consenting (pushing away, saying no, etc.) as well or taking charge, so it's not as if media is sending the message that women are solely silent actors.
Plus these scenes pretty much always take place in the context of two characters who 1) know each other, 2) like each other and have chemistry, and 3) have expressed interest before.
It doesn't happen out of nowhere, more often than not it's the culmination of a developing relationship.
Listening to your partner and being able to read them is absolutely important, yes, but nothing turns sex sterile quite like outright asking your lady friend to sign a consent form every step of the way.
>this whole thread just reminds me of my last relationship
>spent 5 years taking care of a girl I truly loved
>she had been raped in the past multiple times
>spend a good chunk of relationship helping her with it and making sure I get her consent before I do anything
>try to make life as pleasurable and peaceful as possible for her
>she was kinky (even managed to have a threesome with another girl -- it was awkward) and over time started denying more and more sex
>she REALLY gets into Tumblr feminism
>everything suddenly becomes equivalent to rape
>she now wants tattoos and piercings
>I shut her down and try to get her to focus on getting an education and onto disability (she was mooching off my disability benefits despite her being disabled as well)
>she gets more and more intolerant
>she tells me that the kinky shit we did at the beginning of the relationship was akin to rape
>heartbroken because now she sees me in the same light as her previous rapists
>she later breaks up with me via text
>go to therapist for 3 months to undo all this shit
It's ironic because I'm fairly traditionally feminist in the my views, but the backlash of this relationship has made me extremely wary of self-proclaimed feminist women and generally distrustful of them.
>rape is inherently hard to definitively prove
no its not. you are arguing that we change what is considered rape so what you consider rape can be proven to be rape.
Rape is when someone forces themselves sexually on someone else without their consent.
You think rape is changing your mind about wanting to have sex midway through the act but not saying anything about it at the time and feeling bad about it afterwards.
Rape is also about power not sex.
>That's a ridiculous generalization to make. Do jokes involving rape automatically trivialize it? No. Do people often joke about it in a trivializing matter? Yeah.
That's retarded. Rape jokes are built upon the premise that rape is a horrible, dispicable, immoral act, which is where the shock value comes from.
Rape jokes can be tasteless and crass, sure, but they don't trivialize rape. If anything, they reinforce how terrible it is.
The movement by some feminists to label more and more innocuous things as rape or sexual assault (>>78905687) does more to trivialize rape in people's minds than jokes ever could.
Taking a look at the US, that holds true. The definition has been changed to include more types of rape, but it's clear that overall there's been a continuing downward trend.
>A woman gets plastered, jumps into her car, and plows through the intersection
>She's guilty of DUI, no question about whether or not she could "consent" to drive
>Same woman gets drunk and decides to fuck a guy
>Now she had no control of her faculties and couldn't control herself, she was assaulted
Having sex with someone who's passed out or forcing someone to drink to take advantage of them is one thing, but applying it to all situations is beyond stupid. If you chose to do something drunk, that was your choice, deal with it.
I'm not sure anon, but it feels like my banner is trying to tell me something.
An ideal where males and females are equal in all aspects in society. No sex is favored over the other in any capacity. A recognition of past injustices on both sides, with improvements benefiting both males and females alike.
No. I do have legit diagnosed Asperger Syndrome, but my disability is terminal illness.
>An ideal where males and females are equal in all aspects in society. No sex is favored over the other in any capacity. A recognition of past injustices on both sides, with improvements benefiting both males and females alike.
That doesn't describe any kind of feminism that has ever existed