Anyone else annoyed that Jack's sword never had a name? It feels so weird having something so unique and important and only ever calling it "the sword".
Swords get names for great feats
the sword that killed bitch ass aku
>at the very end of the show, someone offhandedly asks his name
Anyone else annoyed that Martin's sword never had a name? It feels so weird having something so unique and important and only ever calling it "the sword".
>ITT people who don't think swords with names are the most fucking based thing in history
pic related, it's motherfucking Durandal.
Probably b/c it's a WESTERN cartoon for children. Naming your weapons and shit fell out of favor mostly in Western culture. It's mostly an Eastern thing now.
It did need a name though.
I actually feel that named weapons detract from the perceived heroism of the wielder.
And dude can kill a Demon with the sword Demonbane.
But someone who murders the fuck out of that Demon with an unnamed sword?
That guy's a total badass.
Had it been just a hunk of sharpened steel that is only important because of who it belonged to, I'd agree with you, but Jack's sword is literally the only thing capable of hurting Aku. The sword is kind of important.
In the very first episode Jack's dad slaps Jack for considering the sword too important and says something like "what use is a weapon compared to the hand who wields it?" And this is the guy that was present when three gods got together to forge this magic sword that is necessary in defeating Aku, and probably knows better than anyone how important it actually is to achieving that end. Still, the one thing he wants to tell Jack before his quest starts is that Jack needs to value himself in getting shit done more than a hunk of metal, magic or not.
He was saying that the sword is useless without it its wielder and that Jack shouldn't rely on it. but that doesn't mean the sword isn't important. Both are needed to accomplish his goal.
Why did Jack take up an alias anyway? It's not like he was being particularly covert during the show's run. I never really got why he decided to name himself after the first thing he heard people repeat to him a lot in the future, but then again it's been years since I last watched it.
If you pay close attention you'll notice that Jack didn't really have a name either. Some punks call him Jack as a slang term in the second episode, so he says "People call me Jack" for the rest of the series. Jack isn't really his name and we never learn what it actually is. Aku just calls him "Samurai".
don't forget the handguard can also be used as a strike weapon
someone needs to make a slight edit and this picture is perfect
oh, and also mention that one if made from steel while the other is made of pig iron
I was gonna add the handguard too but it felt like a bit much. Wasn't it in Thunderbolts where someone asked Swordsman why he didn't use katanas and he shuts them down by saying every part his western sword is designed to kill.
yeah, with the murder stroke technique, a soldier could grab the blade and strike an enemy with the handguard with a swing or strike them with the pommel with a thrust
so not only are longswords better designed with better steel, they also have fullers while katanas dont
fullers work the same why as I-beams, it gives the blade structural integrity and prevents wobbling
if you were to include all of these points, the picture would be perfect to respond to anyone saying "the katana is the best weapon ever". just one picture- boom, disproven
I don't mind if weapons in fiction have names associated with them, but only specific reasons. Nicknames for a fond piece of equipment used a lot, in-jokes, or the sword was named after or in honor of family members or something.
It does bother me a bit when weapons in fiction are named after the hero's deeds. It's not like the weapon did cool shit, the person who weilded it did. Why give credit to the weapon?
Maybe I have just been in too many tabletop campaigns where named weapons were cause for players to act like dicks and it soured me on the idea.
These are based on old stories and legends. I'm talking about modern story telling. If you can name a lot of weapons with names in modern american shows or stories, then you'll have a point.
Both western swords and japanese swords were made of steel.
>fullers work the same why as I-beams, it gives the blade structural integrity and prevents wobbling
Wrong. Fullers reduce weight while maintaining structural integrity, it doesn't add to it.
1. i was referring to the quality of steel. the steel used to make katanas was so low quality people referred to it as "pig iron".
2. i never said it added weight. i said almost exactly what you said without mentioned the reduced weight part.
samurai LOVED guns
as soon as they started trading with the Portuguese, the samurai bought as many as they could. guns won the samurai some pretty significant battles, hell, even ninjas loved them
true, but one shot with the much power, you can kill someone important from very far away and it will almost certainly penetrate armor
i've done some research, several well known ninjas used a gun at least once. one of them was a success, the other failed to kill Nobunaga- which started his hatred of ninjas. that and the Iga clan killed his son
But they're fast. Real ninjas only care about stealth up to the point they get close enough to attack.
Though guns back then likely weren't good for small scale guerrilla affairs.
The blade of the sword burns Aku's substance to nothingness on contact.
Cannot be used to injure Jack as long as Jack remains good and pure.
Can cut through just about anything as long as enough force is put into the attack.
Jack was once able to perform a super-powerful energy attack after praying to I-forget-who (either the gods of his land or the spirits of his ancestors).
Coinspinner, Doomgiver, Dragonslicer, Farslayer, Mindsword, Shieldbreaker, Sightblinder, Soulcutter, Stonecutter, Townsaver, Wayfinder, Woundhealer.
I'm sure I could find more if I opened another book.
Naming weapons has been a common thing across the world since culture became a thing.
Its a part of human nature to anthropomorphize shit we come into contact with.
I don't really see why ya'll are shitting on the practice or think that it went away.
i think you meant to post this on /tg/
but i DM on weekends, what i do (and from what i hear a lot of other DM's do) is ignore experience points and just level up your players when you feel it's appropriate
Also "everything the samurai stood for" was slaughtering unwashed peasants for literally any reason to keep them farming rice and otherwise battling each other to the death constantly to cultivate a form of PTSD known as "Bushido"
Don't worry Anon, give it 100 years or so, the words katana and anime might someday be given their rightful changes in the dictionary once enough people think it's that way. If it worked with racism and sexism it can work with this.
Bushido was just like any other feudal honour system.
Some people were big into it and held themselves to high standards, others saw it as little more than a tool or hinderance. Humans gon Hume.
Oh, I think swords with names is cool
I just don't think that Jack's sword needs a name
We don't even know what Jack's REAL name is. Shouldn't that be more important than his sword's name? Let's leave that for after the adventure is finished.
The quality of steel was fine. It was the iron ore they used to make the steel that was bad. Once it was refined, it was perfectly good.
>2. i never said it added weight. i said almost exactly what you said without mentioned the reduced weight part.
The reduced weight is their main purpose you pleb.
>The year of the Queen 1178
>Have a sword forged by the royal blacksmith in honor of my service as a knight
>Take the blade to my king to have it blessed with a name
>My lord dubs it "Doug"
>my face when
You tell 'em. Now hold my shit while I slap the fuck out of this Nobunaga bitch with my calvary.
The Scotsman doesn't have a name, Jack isn't Jack's name, and I think they never introduced themselves, so even if they are friends they only refer to each other as "you"
That is the thing bothering me
Well, at least in my groups it's like that for D&D type games at least. Counting xp takes work and doesn't really contribute to fun for us.
Also, we typically run with party level. If you can't come due to RL, why penalise you? If you aren't interested enough to come, seems the campaign isn't for you. Communicate and drop from that one, no hard feelings.
(In case of character death/replacement we sometimes choose to go in at a lower level to be the FNG, then get some catchup levels)
No it wasn't, the quality of the ore directly affects the quality of the steel, traditionally forged katanas break very easily compared to western blades. Not only that, the spine is too soft. If the edge itself doesnt chip, the blade will bend when introduced to the same stress tests as westerns swords.
the fuller displaces material in the blade, but it ALSO strengthens the blade and prevents wobbling. Like I said, it works like an I-beam.
just stop, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
>He is also bearing a sword presented to him in mysterious circumstances. Very mysterious circumstances. Surprisingly, therefore, there is something very unexpected about this sword. It isn’t magical. It hasn’t got a name. When you wield it you don’t get a feeling of power, you just get blisters; you could believe it was a sword that had been used so much that it had ceased to be anything other than a quintessential sword, a long piece of metal with very sharp edges. And it hasn’t got destiny written all over it. It’s practically unique, in fact.
Well what would you do with one? You've already got stuff like silver bullets for dealing with magic-tier threats, and stuff like homing/penetrating/infinite ammo and shit are the realm of sci-fi.
I think the closest thing I've seen to a magic gun is the toon revolver from WFRR. I'm sure anime has plenty of examples but I'm not very experienced there.
Basically I just don't know how you could even begin to apply "magic" to a gun and achieve something distinct and memorable.
Naming swords is an old tradition and not only on Japan.
Anyway, I guess CN wanted to avoid Japanese names as much as possible because they didn't want to confuse kids. Remember, these guys actually believe kids are retarded
Made by gods
Most likely would get murdered to hell for trying that
Plus I wouldn't bank on the gods keeping that sword's ability when you essentially chopped it up to chuck it at someone.
He's going to have a duel with his brother, how is he supposed to do that if he's dead?
You guys aren't very bright.
Okay, I guess the entire lands could be taken over almost at some point and he gets resurrected...
Get a six shot revelover right?
Each bullet a different element
Life death fire water earth and an empty to double up
Call it gods roulette
Give it to a villian based on luck
Yeah, cuz nameless ronin/cowboy/faggot hasn't been done to death. The entire show is painfully derivative. The sword isn't named because it's unimportant, just like its owner. Both are mere tools.
It's not the actual ice that's the element, it's the idea of the cold that conceptualizes into it's visible form when it interacts with what happens to be water. Lightning and fire are both are both still just forms of energy expressing themselves.
>the fuller displaces material in the blade, but it ALSO strengthens the blade and prevents wobbling. Like I said, it works like an I-beam.
It lets you reduce weight without losing stiffness, NOT become magically stiffer than 100% fill.
>just stop, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Is dis nigga serious?
You cannot show me a weapon that is more devastating and fucked up than Stormbringer.
Try it. You cant
>Anyone else annoyed that Martin's sword never had a name?
The Abbot names it in the first book. He calls it Ratdeath.
The name is forgotten in all subsequent books, even the direct sequel. The sword is simple The Sword of Martin the Warrior.
Creation Blades have cut through a reality warper and prevented them from using their full powers.
Sword of Superman could make the user nigh-omniscient, nigh-omnipresent, nigh-omnipotent.
Spear of Destiny could injure/kill high-tier cosmics like the Spectre.
Heart of the Universe could kill the entire multiverse and was only stopped in the end by God Himself.
Ultimate Nullifier made Galactus afraid, who himself is a universal force. It can also alter/recreate timelines.
Infinity Gems, now that I think of it, may not be a good choice. Only the Reality Gem is a contender, for its obvious reality-warping powers.
Heart of the Universe isn't even a weapon and the superman sword is complete horseshit as a concept. Nullifier and infinite gems as well since the power levels are inconsistent as fuck and change depending on what sort of asspull the new writer wants to pull.
Stormbringer is on par with the Lance and the Creation Blades and is more than likely a step above all that since it's sentient and can summon its brothers that all share the same destructive power it has if it feels like it.
well cut my legs off and call me shorty, nice work anon!
>So the I-beam profile created by a fuller isn't responsible for any increase in stiffness over an equivalently sized solid section. But what if the fuller wasn't created by removing material, but rather by moving material around?
This is actually pretty simple: In that case, because of conservation of mass, the outer dimensions of the piece will no longer be the same. So it is possible for a hammered fuller to increase the stiffness, because you are not removing material... assuming that is that you don't grind that excess off to make an edge.
>well cut my legs off and call me shorty, nice work anon!
you are welcome. i have been reading and learing about swords for a few years now, and it is really amazing how much better weapons the euro swords were, yet the japanese swords get all the hype and thats just totally wrong
so i made a thing, sorry for the typos, but that has every point ive been able to learn so far
Also, the rennaisance rapier is a better weapon for duels than a longsword, but the longsword is best fror battles, and both of them are better than a katana in either circumstance
true fact, one hand swords alow sideways stance for much better range, or, katana-style front facing stance only with a shield for much better defense in either case, katan guy is at a big disadvantage.
>It lets you reduce weight without losing stiffness, NOT become magically stiffer than 100% fill
It's not like they carved out the fuller and then discarded the metal. So it doesn't reduce any weight, it just changes shape, changes into a more stiff shape.
I'll just leave this here