Jason's brand of violence works on the big time bad guys. Joker, Black Mask, Hush, yeah, put a bullet in them. You'll make the world a better place that way.
But he doesn't do that. He works on the street level. He takes down thugs and goons at the bottom of the criminal ladder. For better or worse, those are the blue collar guys in places like Gotham. They have families. So he goes out and over the course of a month he murders like 50 guys. Sure some of them were bad, but he has no way of knowing who's a fellow murderer, and who's just moving boxes for the guys who make the real money. Pretty soon he racks up quite the kill count, and it gets pretty tough tell him apart from the crime bosses he's taking down. Hell, at least they provide job, help feed families.
What happens to the kids who's dads get gunned down by Red Hood? You think the mom takes care of them? He makes orphans, who are going to be just as fucked up and vulnerable as he was. But these kids aren't going to have Batman swoop in and try to bring them out of the gutter. At best, they'll follow in their fathers' shadows. At worst, they get taken in by the freaks and crazies in Gotham and you get more supervillains, plenty of whom are gonna have a bone to pick with the Red Hood. Some day some violent vigilantee is will track down Jason Todd and get vengeance for the childhood the Red Hood stole from him.
>>78879955 it's even weirded in the outlaws where he DOSEN'T kill an alien guy who's after Kori but kills all the mooks like you said. that's even less effective than what batman does. I really don't think about jason much anymore. I like pretending he died again at the end of under the hood
You could argue that she "isnt a villan now", but even when she was on the bad guy team, she wasnt wrong.
She simply valued the new life of her people who cannot procreate by other means, over the lives of an alien race. She held by the culture and values of the society in which she was raised.
If it would have been the other way around, humans would literally have done the exact same thing, they have been, and the will continue to do so.
Nearly all of us are bound to the culture of the society in which we were raised, we have common values and beliefs, if we were rasied to hate niggers, we hated niggers, if we were raised to value honor, success, intellegence, even obeseity, for the most part, we followed suit.
If a civilization of human beings had to kill "them" to save "us", they did it, with zeal and patriotism.
>>78876107 The "kill the Joker" argument is always presented by nerds as the logical alternative to comic book logic but it only makes sense if you unquestionably except that maximum-security prisons have revolving doors and that some clown somehow has the ability to murder hundreds.
Try to make comics "mature" is the stupidest thing. It's just people half-heartedly trying to stuff ridiculous shit into a realistic world and failing.
>>78881518 Then start with the big guys. Take out Black Mask, Harvey Dent, then Joker. Blow a hole in their heads, and parade their corpses around in front of GCPD. Anyone who tries to take their place, kill them too. When nobody tries to lead the beast, then you go for the next row down. Eventually, you'll get it to a point where the cops can handle it themselves. Let's pretend the Punisher idea works. You're not doing it in a practical way!
What does Red Hood's opinion on what to do with guys like the Joker matter in the real world.
In their world, prisons are just places for villians to crowd source, the Joker has a kill count in the thousands, maimed thousands more, traumatized still more and that's not even getting into the property damage. I mean hell every other elseworld is "Joker caused it"
Red Hood's view is realistic only in places like China and Norkland and China will face it's comeuppance soon and Norkland is allowed to exist because the humanitarian crisis of solving it is worse.
>>78879955 >>78881386 See, this is kind of why he's brilliant, (in a way totally unintended by the writers).
Dick Grayson has always represented Batman's greatest success, and Jason Todd his greatest failure. Dick is proof that Batman's methods can work, whereas Jason is objective proof of the failure of what people think Batman SHOULD be.
As Red Hood, Jason still works as an example of Batman's failures.
>>78884821 No, Joker is his failure, he always returns doing something even worse, technically he kills Jason a second time. Not entirely sure if Bats as a character is at fault or the writers not being allowed to kill off the golden egg laying goose or some such. Or them strictly adhering to the slippery slope fallacy, once a superhero kills, they go Injustice... or some such.
>>78885224 Aging manchildren demanded that comics become more "adult", so the writers made Joker a serial killer. Of course, they knew that he would never face any real consequences and that he'd always return, they just thought that fans would be willing to suspend their disbelief.
>>78885655 Why not just make him a mob boss? It's still "mature" and requires less suspension of disbelief, given how many innocents could die when there's a power vacuum and new criminals trying to get to the top.
>>78881257 Actually, RHATO is basically Tumblr bait. There's no cohesive story, Lobdell just writes a couple of blog-bait scenes to get 13 year olds excited and then fills up the rest of the book with splash pages to fit all of this shitty narration boxes.
It's why you see shills like Tzitzimine spam the same "OMG TIM AND JASON ARE LIEK BROTHERS LOOK AT THEM FIST BUMP" panel over and over again on every site.
>>78884821 I think Grant Morrison was the only one to really address the problems with Jason's methods. Jason went around killing people, but in doing so, he made himself a target. He lured the worst killers to Gotham. The police wanted no part of him. And even when Dick offered him a chance at redemption, he rejected it. Morrison just tore the Red Hood tumblr fanbase a new one, and it was amazing.
>>78886615 >There's a dude killing criminals in Gotham, what should we do. >WE SHOULD GO INTO HIS TERRITORY! Yes, that sounds like what they would do. Rather than >There's some nut arresting criminals in Gotham, never seems to kill anyone, what should we do. >Bribe the cops and judges, become the kingpins of Gotham. The writers are pretty terrible, but the premise is even worse.
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