I want to watch a cartoon with a serious plot for once like for example Atla, Lok, Young Titans or Bem 10 but they don't make shows like that anymore. All we have are comedy.
We had one last ressurgence of those a couple of years ago, but they all got cancelled in rapid succession. I believe the networks just accepted that they are simply no longer viable.
If you haven't watched all of those and don't mind the missing conclusions, go back and watch Tron Uprising, Symbionic Titan, Green Lantern The Animated Series and Motorcity.
Because people need something to escape to, not escape from.
But to be serious, it's probably just because action cartoons have kind of died down by now, and no one wants to risk making another one when they keep "failing" to either get the right toy sales or bring in the right audience.
America lets the japanese make "serious" cartoons and is now focusing on shitty very bright comedy cartoons.
It's a phase I hope will die out soon.
In a couple of years the kids who grew up watching these "serious" cartoons will become the people in charge of creativity and shit and maybe they'll try and make stuff in the style of what they loved growing up.
Also Legend of Kora ended in 2014, and that's technically a "serious" cartoon.
Its either the serious stuff just doesn't sell or you just don't make back what you spent doing serious stuff. You have to add a bit of comdy and or cuteness inorder to sell a serious show, see Avatar. Full time serious stuff just seem to appeal to a much smaller scrowd these days. It's why companies like Disney and most of Japan stop doing those 90's grimdark stuff because it just doesn't sell as good as the cute and funny stuff.
the picture answers your question
>saying that on an american website on a board for western cartoons
I mean I totally agree but c'mon. At least tell the guy what other cartoons he can watch, like Ladybug or Wakfu.
you need to rewatch first half of book water if you think ATLA is a serious cartoon
They had to sell it and pander to 6-12 pretty hard to even have the possibility to turn it later into something bigger
Things would be different if Korra had done better and Young Justice had sold more toys
But those were the two final nails in the coffin. They know they can ride noddle arms and emoticon faces to the bank, plus easy toys. Game over
>If Beware the Batman wasn't the first Batman show ever to have only one season
>If TTGo wasn't so cheap & easy
>If Green Lantern was a better movie
>If Loeb didn't pull the shit he did
>If Disney didn't cancel Motorcity & Tron: Uprising
>If the Hub Network was still active
>If Transformers RID wasn't a reaction to Prime being so "mature"
>If Dwayne McDuffie was still alive
>If reboots like Thundercats & Voltron Force had done better
>If Ben 10 didn't become more "cartoony"
>If the CN action toons weren't burned off so early in the morning
Because serious cartoons require serious investment and therefore serious profits. Companies have yet to figure out the proper way to achieve that end and therefore opt for surer bets.
Can Samurai Jack be consider a serious cartoon? Its coming back in Adult Swim after all
That's most likely because a lot of those shows had practically no marketing and iirc they aired on Saturday mornings. Look at their audience! Who the fuck is getting up Saturday morning to watch shows? Basically doomed them from the start.
Are you implying animation was serious until now? Animation being serious at all has only been for maybe 20 years in the states. Before that it's was advertising cartoons, goofy Hanna-barbera type stuff, slapstick and one liners
When being 2serious got popular in the 90's, animation followed suit. That's when it started really trying to be serious in its tone and/narrative, let alone having a continuous narrative that wasn't just "we're good, they're not, LASERS".
Shit changes in cycles, being serious waxes and wanes with what people want to see, and what artists and writers are willing to do. I hate that bullshit "everything was great until (insert current generation) ruined everything" mindset. It's disingenuous as fuck and is delusional at worst, when has fucking anything ever truly been without even a single flaw? Never. But nothing is without a benefit either, even if it only serves to educate as a cautionary tale. But like a bunch of anon's said, the US is terrible at taking animation seriously, so go find a subbed anime you like that's not moe-shit and have fun, because there's very little in the states that's anything but comedy, adult comedy, dramedy, or not worth watching. I mean I think SU tries to be serious but it fails more often then not because of how the writers work, they're too heavy handed and rely on sadness to be serious. It's trying though. There's always that.
if you want dramatic American animation nowadays you have to watch shorts (lolno) or independent films (probably more accessible but much rarer). Series animation takes way too much time and dramatic animation is so incredibly niche that no one is going to risk it.
The best thing you could do for dramatic animation would be to watch things like Anomalisa or GKIDS releases in theaters or Netflix original series like BoJack Horseman or F is for Family on Netflix itself. Pay attention to animation news sites for any glimmer of interesting content and pay to see it.
Unless you actually work in the industry and can work on stuff that has actual prospects.
Close, it was because the stores didn't want to sell merchandise. They had a bunch of unsold Green Lantern Movie Merchandise, they didn't want to have a bunch of unsold Green Lantern Animated Merchandise.
I hate watching most anime because the manga is better almost every time. And there's lots of manga that don't have anime that are awesome like REAL, Vagabond, Liar Game, and Homunculus.
I think due to most anime being really garbage in terms of animation, manga is actually superior in its ability to show movement. Actually, in many if not most cases manga is superior to western comics in showing movement due to the freedom that they have in pacing.
Most Japanese animation studios are just really garbage to the point where I can't even watch anime
>Because people need something to escape to, not escape from.
well put, phamalam.
It's kinda sad.
Animation has almost infinite potential. If you can imagine it, you can portray it. It is THE multimedia medium for artistic freedom.
Fantasy? Even the strangest things on the grandest scale are just another thing to draw for this medium. It's not any kind of obstacle.
Human expression? It can be down to earth, or you can exaggerate in a seemingly endless number of ways according to your needs.
Sex? What other medium will allow you to so easily gather hundreds of busty, adorable 10/10s and have them be well acted?
But how does the west make use of it? For television, comedies. For videogames, they just try to mimic live action. It's a massive waste.
I think it'll come back. Looking back on it, I didn't realize that we were sort of in a few years period of action considering there was a large amount of it going on at once. Its just that none of them got the proper love they deserved from things like marketing, and didn't really give much to the studios.
I think action is going to come back soon though. Steven Universe is doing strong right now, and it doesn't matter if you dislike it or like it, you have to admit its an example of a more SERIOUS show. There are some rather serious drama bombs dropped left and right in that show, which go right along with the drama bombs of an AtLA or a GLtAS.
Plus, we got Samurai Jack coming, and if that does well, more and more things are gonna get approved of.
>about to paralyze Azula from behind again
>mfw, not this time
> implying Liar Game wasn't already adapted
Only Animes I've ever enjoyed were samurai x, deathnote, Yuyu hakusho, trigun, outlaw star and Gundam wing.
Everything else I have tried has been shit.
Excluding stand alone movies which have all been superb.
The Heroic Legend of Arsalan is much older then Game of Thrones; there was a two-episode OVA in the 90's based off a successful novel series from Japan.
You know how Legend of Galactic Heroes, that anime nearly EVERYONE who ever watches it agree is a serious series with lots of depth and character development?
He wrote the Arsalan novels.
>only watching entry level shit
There's your problem anon. Anime was still a mistake, yes, but it would have taken you a lot longer to realize that if you chose actual decent animes to watch first.
No, /a/ is pleb with them buying into the fan service and moe shit that Japan shills out these days. It's literally pandering to the lowest common anime consumer denominator in Japan.
LoGH is kind of niche because it's a more substance then style rather then style over substance...but it still has a lot of style. It's more like reading an exceptionally well-written novel series then anything /a/ ever watches.
I DO mean exceptional BTW; most actual novels I've read are less engrossing and deal with less complicated topics then LoGH does.
How many series are there at ALL
that treat a totalitarian empire and the democratic republican government as equal parties who aren't necessarily any better or worse then the other?
This is true, and highly unfortunate as Japan's economy does not look like it will be picking up for a very long time.
I didn't say it wasn't a sad situation, but when you only pay attention to newer mass-produced garbage stuff then you're kinda pleb; that's how it works.
This is absurd, if anything in the recent decade there have been more of those kinds of shows than ever. Besides, it's not like when ATLA aired there have been dozens of shows like it.
Since anime was mentioned there are some interesting shows airing right now. Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shijnuu. It's a realistic drama anime about a guy who has just left prison and aspires to do Rakugo, a form of traditional, comedic storytelling. He becomes the apprentice of a Rakugo master who made a show in his prison once (which is what inspired him). He also meets a woman who was raised by the guy and wants to become a rakugo storyteller herself.
The first episode so far was really grea, the characters aren't over-blown tropes and it was really entertaining despite not having any action or supernatural elements. There's a scene where the MC performs and it was amazingly directed. Great cinematography and animated character expressions.
On top of that this season also has Boku Dake, a supernatural mystery and Dimension W a sci-fi action anime. Plus, Grimgar which I am cautious of since the premise is the stereotypical - kids trapped in a fantasy setting. But it has some beautiful background animation and so far the story hasn't progressed much so it's hard to say anything.
Logh might be an ok book but it's a terrible anime. The visual direction lacks any sort of visual creativity. Since the exposition is done mostly through dialogue and the narrator the animation is nothing but still faces with clapping mouths going back and forth at the same angle.
The story despite aiming for realism lacks subtlety itself. The antagonists are usually idiotic and act harshly and irrationaly usually just to make the protagonists look smarter when they defeat them or to forcefully prove a point about the goverment being bad/corrupted etc.
There are so many anime with well written stories and with actually compelling visual design and animation which supports the narrative, but LotGH is not one of them.
It's funny, because I thought the Arslan anime was very underwhelming. You can't even blame Arakawa for that, since the manga adaptian is much better. A big part of that, to me, is that it also focuses a lot on the events on the various antagonists' side (making the GoT comparison much more apt), while the anime is basically only about Arslan and his gang.
Do we have a date for the new Samurai Jack?
>you can like both serious works and stuff like Yuru Yuri.
I think is mostly because there is still a mentally that, cartoons are for children and adult cartoons can be only comedies. the stuff with a more serious tone in the west are reserved for live action TV series and movies.
Then where's the serious live-action series? All we have is borderline comedic (most likely unintentionally) shit like True Detective, Game of Thrones and Mad Men. Not to mention completely horrible capeshit like Flash, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, etc.
The only reason to not drop television is possibility of another Twin Peaks season.
Just how important are toy sales now a days? I know kids still gets toys but we are in a more technological time then when we were younger. More kids are gonna be messing around with games on their parents phones and ipads then playing with new toys.
I guess what I'm asking is how come more popular shows don't come out with a video game or an app or something now? Do big wigs really still rely on toy sales?
Nice meme, /a/utist.
Let me rephrase it for you, so your brain could understand it: television nowadays sucks. It's only serious if you're 12 years old and can watch all this garbage with straight face which also indicates retardation.
Sonic Boom & Pac-Man aren't wowing anyone
we are getting animated movies based on decade old video-games with the other more "recent" IPs going to straight live-action
...all that leaves is the Angry Birds movie
Because I don't think anime or animation in general aim for any sort of strong realism. By it's nature it's better when it's surreal, expressive or stylized. There are good anime that aren't "cartoonish" like Haibane Renmei, Texhnolyze, some Gundams, the later parts of Eva. But those aren't realistic, they're atmospheric and surreal.
Monster which you mentioned is probably one of the better attempts, though Nana is also pretty good in that respect.
>television nowadays sucks.
No it doesn't, a lot shows on the air atm are really entertaining. You really think television 5,10,15 years ago was better?
Sucks for you if you don't enjoy nowadays.
Korra would've done better if it hadn't been sabatoged by Nickelodeon after Book 1.
It was doing pretty great in the timeslot it had, on Saturdays at 11am. Book 1's average per Episode was 3.7 million viewers.
When Nickelodeon moved it to Fridays for Book 2 at 7pm(Ep1-4), then to Fridays at 8:30pm(Ep5-6), and then Fridays at 8pm(Ep7-14) that's where it began losing viewers. 1. because of the Friday night death slot it was in, which is notoriously bad for any show. 2. Because it kept moving time slots
Book 3 was then not even advertised and its release date was announced 1 week before by the first trailer. Causing viewership to drop even more.
Book 3 was then pulled off the air halfway through and it and Book 4 only aired online(though Book 4 began airing in TV too towards the end).
Just like all other recent action cartoons, Korra was sabatoged. Only difference is Nickelodeon didn't cancel it. Didn't stop them from killing off most of its potential ad revenue.
Or the writing could have been better so people would want to watch it, which would have made Nick look at the show more favourably.
Sure, Nick could have worked harder to make Korra do better, but the product itself wasn't that good to begin with so why bother?
You guys probably know this already, but this woman is the reason Nick shot themselves in the head back in early 2006.
As soon as she became president:
>90s-early 00s shows were removed
>Shows like Avatar, Chalkzone, Jenny the waifu, The Xs, and Catscratch were treated badly
>Jenny the waifu was taken off the air in 2005, waiting three years before randomly airing the season 3 episodes (unlike in Asia which showed the S3 episodes in 2006-07)
>Chalkzone was also randomly taken off the air mid-season before airing the unaired episodes in 2008
>Catscratch and The Xs were cancelled after 1 season, rather than being given time to develop (yeah, I know not many people liked these ones)
>Avatar's third season was delayed by several months (supposed to air in May but instead aired in September), episodes were shoved around different timeslots when they finally came
>Nick Rewind block with 90s shows only lasted a few months before randomly being taken off
>SpongeBob had the "Best Day Ever" marathon where Karate Island was #1
>SB went into full-zombie mode as he started screaming and crying over everything, also more cruel humor (sqidward's toenail)
>Terrible shows like Naked brothers band, Back to the barnyard, and Tak and the power of Juju came on
>Spongebob and tweencoms were spammed every day for hours on end.
>Dan "The Man with the Master Plan to get her into My Van" Schneider basically controlled the network and turned it into the "soft porn for ephebophiles" network
As much shit as I will get for this...
Steven Universe. Overarching plot leading to some ending with character development that generally tries to be serious. There's some fucking awful episodes but the overall deal of it is kind of what your looking for.
Gravity Falls is also kind of like this but stays pretty silly without many serious or emotional moments.
The true answer however is if you want a serious cartoon, just watch some anime or netflix show. Cartoons are generally aimed at children, so unless the vocal part of the fans that speak up that they enjoy the show come out expressing such for such reasons, then all you can really expect to receive is kiddy garbage.
For the graphic style I think of something stylised but realistic, like the Simpsons or Franco-belgian comics.
I used to let pictures colorized with photoshop in writefag threads. If you ever get to come accross this in archives.
Its just that producers are too cold to try today. The 80s were full of cartoons with orphans and serious problems. Think of "Nobody's boy Remi" for example or "The golden cities"
Basic economics, that's why.
Animation is very expensive to make, and dramas, especially ones with season-long arcs, are a very big gamble for companies to take on. They're going to prefer easily accessible comedies each and every time, especially the "big networks" (CN, Disney, Nick) because their entire purpose is to shovel toys and shit into young kids' faces.
tl;dr - TV is a business and executives aren't artists.
Not only that but also illegal downloading is killing any attempt at making new studios or small budget projects, leaving the big networks with an almost complete monopoly (which in turn become less and less risky). It is also the reason you see so many hiatuses.
If you want to save cartoons follow these simple rules: Buy what you like, download what you don't like.
As long as you are ready to spend money you become a market to fullfill. And if you don't want to spend always keep in mind that SJW are ready to. They had enough (parent) money in their pockets to become one.
Steven Universe is so tonally inconsistent I'd hardly call it "serious"
From the creator of Wakfu on a potential third season before they did manage to secure it:
"The last stumbling block comes from the fact that channels are looking for more and more "kid friendly" serials and, most importantly, they have to be able to play around with their planning. Finding a show's best broadcast slot is an art in and of itself, and it is way more complicated to do with serials. In this way "animated serials" don't really have a future. I know how that sounds, but it's the truth...
While in the USA and England serials have never been more powerful, in many countries we are forced to do sitcoms... I have nothing against sitcoms, far from it, but I'd really like some variety... when Game of Thrones and other addictive series like it are clearly popular everywhere, it might be time to understand that what pleases us "adults" might also interest our children. We live in a world where the absence of moral beings is prominent and society's values become more and more that of reality TV and other such silliness. Why not offer our children real adventures rather than only just comedies? Life is made of laughter, drama and adventure, is it not? And those who, like me, have kids, know that they ask a lot more questions than us and most certainly don't spend their days on a cotton-candy filled rainbow, beautiful as the thought may be. They need heroes. Role-models of bravery. We can only show them mushy stuff, and that saddens me deeply."
OP is not talking about "serious" as in "serious shit happens" but rather as in "starts with a believable plot". He quotes Ben 10 for example, Ben 10 has a realistic style and setting but you would hardly call it a serious cartoon.
The best I have in mind for today would be Gravity Falls.
But people were watching it, anon. Book 1 was doing very good. If Nickelodeon hadn't fucked with its schedule and properly advertised it, it probably would've continued to do well. It had nothing to do with the whole "Korra is bad" meme that /co/ has now that those who liked the show have mostly left after the finale. Everywhere else enjoys Korra a lot.
It was everything to do with Nickelodeon, primarily this bitch>>78901470 that Korra lost viewers after
People in general seem to agree that the ending episodes of Book 1 were bad even outside /co/.
And if people in general supposedly liked it, Book 2 wouldn't have lost half of it's viewers between seasons. It even managed to retain it's low viewer count throughout book 2 so they hardly lost anything to the slots being moved around.
So while Nick surely carries some of the blame, the show seems the more likely reason that people dropped it.
What would it take to make action cartoons popular again? I think a few solid hits could do it, or a shift in marketing towards an older demographic that grew up with toonami and the like. I can't imagine what network would be really to take the risks needed though, maybe Netflix. AS and Toonami might have some promise too with Samurai Jack.
Maybe we should just pray that Wednesday's lottery winner is /co/ enough to use their winnings in the pursuit of savings cartoons.
Maybe we should just pray that Wednesday
I truely believe that there needs to be more shows with over arching plots. By default I feel like the older audience is drawn to them which leads to their fanbases. Like them or not, one of the reason steven universe or gravity falls have such large fanbases, autistic or not, is because of this. Another show that proved how well the overarching plot can work was OTGW. If more shows just told a story from start to finish we would get more action shows.
Networks keep shoveling out episodic episodes that are bound to get repetitive because of their nature. Its bad when even kids arent attracted to some of these shows after a ahile. God knows what they are even trying to do with fairly odd parents
That can't be the case. There is no way that the shows getting pushed now make toy sales. Fairly odd parents is coming back and I don't think its ever sold a toy
Give me a min to read your story FF and I'll get back to you!
But what do theh rely on? If action shows HAVE to rely on toys, the other shows have to rely on something.
You're right but this new plot with the new girl I guess I meant.
Book 2 lost half of Korra's viewers because it was moved from 11am on Saturdays(Saturday mornings are great for cartoons in general) in Book 1 to 7pm/8:30pm/8pm on Fridays, which is part of the "Friday night death slot". It's very bad for viewership and is usually where many shows are sent to eventually get cancelled. Combined with the fact that it changed timeslots 3 times without warning and took a long to come on the air and had subpar, but present advertising, its a wonder Korra got half the viewers it had on Saturdays.
Nickelodeon is at fault.
The current business paradigm is "Cheap, quick to make." which means comedies. Action cartoons need toys to support their cost and a lot of the new action franchises didn't sell toys.
That simple, sadly. Give it a few years and they'll try again.
If people had wanted to watch it they would have. Moving it to the deathslot can account for some dropoff, but even after moving it around after book 2 aired they didn't really lose any viewers.
Also remember they lost further viewer count between book 2 and 3, where book 3 also kept losing viewers until it was taken off air at which point we don't know the viewer count.
So, yes Nick is at fault. But had the show been better it wouldn't have been a problem for LoK.
Alright I read the plot and I like it. What I mean by overarching plot is that the story needs to progress from point A to point B. The path between anything can happen from stories that are used to world build, episodes that present a problem that is either resolved within the episode or over a few episodes which you have. However the point being that the end needs to be set and they need to get there.
Now I just have a few comments about the story. Is there going to be an antagonist trying to stop the main characters for any reason?
You have a few episodes planned where not much happens (episode 5 and episode 6 but episode 6 can be added to seven and turned into one episode)
Julie doesn't seem to get much love. For most episodes she just seems like she's just gonna Jules' the fat sister. Don't make too many episodes about her, but touch on her character more. Also don't make Jules' just become a badass too fast. It may have worked in a show like Wakfu with Yugo, but if you want the character to be the lazy kid with potential don't just make him lose the lazy aspect
>If people had wanted to watch it they would have. Moving it to the deathslot can account for some dropoff, but even after moving it around after book 2 aired they didn't really lose any viewers.
They actually did lose viewers because Nickelodeon kept moving the timeslot without warning. The change in timeslot for Episodes 5 caused a drop that slightly recovered with Episode 6. The next change started with Episodes 7/8* which caused a slight drop from 6, but I thing Beginnings for advertised well so it might be caused a boost. The ratings went back up for the next two episodes, dropped slight for the next two(I think aired online first) and then were back up for the finale episodes.
And it's not like it was a slight dropoff. The death slot halved Korras viewership compared to the first season. It's a bad slot because people usually go out and do stuff Friday nights, not watch TV.
>Also remember they lost further viewer count between book 2 and 3, where book 3 also kept losing viewers until it was taken off air at which point we don't know the viewer count.
Book 3 was not advertised at all. It's release date was announced 1 week before it aired in the very first piece of advertising for Book 3, the official trailer. It lost even more viewers because hardly anyone knew it was coming back. Epiosde leaks resulted in further viewership decline.
It's also quite funny how you keep mentioning the show being bad, but yet it got critical acclaim all throughout its run. Book 3 even has a 100℅ on Rotten Tomatoes.
Thanks for the tips.
There are some episodes I intend to have few stuff happening in, mostly those inside the spaceship, because they will help to understand that space travel is long (with Earth technology a simple trip to the moon takes two weeks). It will also serve as relief moments.
Book 1 also kept losing viewers throughout its run, and gained them back for the finale, just like book 2. It seems normal to me atleast. This isn't unique to the change in time-slot.
The only consistent thing seems to be that they lost half their viewership between seasons, and i highly doubt it was all due to that change.
The lack of advertisement would explains the initial dropoff at least somewhat, but there was also a very large dropoff following that. So even when people knew it was airing they didn't want to take the time to watch. It was also rather easy to find information regarding book 3 and 4 if you had even a small interest in the show.
Well, the show was pretty bad. I'm just assuming most people don't care to talk about it because they dropped it after season 1 or 2, so they don't vote on rotten tomatoes for instance. Even previously hardcore fans on tumblr are starting to stop talking about because they didn't like it. I guess my point is that if you didn't like LoK most people wouldn't bother with it. /co/ seems like the exception.
>Live action can offer way better acting and expressiveness
Except it can as long as you have a good budget.
>implying live-action actionshit ever has good actors
>implying live-action actionshit ever has good fight choreography
Expressiveness (by which I assume you mean body language and facial expressions) is a lot easier in live action(just like giant robots and fantastical creatures are a lot easier in animation) so that's a fair point, as far as acting though, a good voice actor can bring as much life to the role as an actor can, we just don't have a great stock of good or great voice actors in the west because there is not as much demand for it. And characters can get hurt in cartoons, it is just a little less likely or censored more often since the target demographic is usually children.
Yoshiyuki Tomino never really impressed me with his visual direction. He has nice stories and characters, but if I just read the script or a book based on his work I'd probably get just as much out of it. Besides, the guy basically made toy commercials most of his life, since that was the only way to make original anime back then. Anno was able to break away from that. On the subject of Anno, for me the best thing about Tomino is that he inspired him.
Turn A was pretty damn good though.
I think you should read up a wiki article on him or something. The guy isn't a director or even an animator. Plus, even as a scriptwriter he's a pretty mixed back.
So what are some series with actual narrative continuity? Of course excluding anime.
I'll try to list as much as I can myself:
Avatar: The Last Airbender and Korra
Moral Orel (partly)
Rick and Morty (partly)
Star Wars stuff
85% of capeshit has it. The DCAU, Young Justice, The Batman, Green Lantern, Beware, 90's Spidey/X-Men/FF4/Hulk, Spectacular Spidey, Avengers: EMH, Wolverine and the X-Men, X-Men Evolution, and many, many more.
Ben 10/Alien Force/Ultimate Alien
Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe(2002)
Godzilla: The Series
Green Lantern TAS
Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated
I have managed to find back some pictures and a music I made for the project
As you see my drawing skills were pretty bad but I am practising to improve
It's really funny. Starts off as a comedy and gets a real story by the second season while still being really funny. The characters develop a lot throughout the series. It's my second favorite adult swim show behind Moral Orel.
You gotta keep in mind that the first season is probably the worst in the series though.
What do you mean they switched roles? Serious anime has been done since the 60s.
>I think due to most anime being really garbage in terms of animation
This is a myth.
>/a/ is pleb with them buying into the fan service and moe shit that Japan shills out these days
That's been going on since the 80s.
Also a myth.
Anime has always been low budget, and they've developed their animation and production accordingly. Even One Punch Man, which everyone's recently been raving about because of its animation, had a normal budget. It's more about having a team of skilled animators and a well-managed production.
Well if we are brining up gargoyles...
I recommend for what is on now is
Tmnt animated series on nick
Star wars rebels
Star vs the forces of evil is building a story.
And I'm not a hyper pony fan or anything..but my little pony can be pretty fun. Im sorry if it was out of line. I know how people feel about it.
And for old stuff
Transformers prime on Netflix
And beast wars
Also for kicks mighty max ;)
I love it but Greg Weisman really gives more information on the characters than I'd ever like to know.
>Star wars rebels
And it's probably selling merch pretty well given it's getting a season 3. Hopefully Disney lets it get a full run.
Maybe then we could even get a Clone Wars special or two.
I'd love the idea of Ozai taking over from Iroh.
Korea got ruined in book 4. So fucking shitty.
I'm watching ATLA with my friend. I forgot how kiddy the opening episodes were. They're not bad, they're just nowhere near as good. Can't wait to get to Book 2.