Has Cyborg ever been good?
In classic (New) Teen Titans he was kind of a mopey sadsack with possibly the worst design of any cybernetic comics character ever. And when you think about how many shitty 90s comics cyborgs there are, that's saying a lot.
Then, when the 90s sidekicks like Tim Drake and Kon El became the Titans, he was a boring mentor
They tried to re-christen him as the everyman normal-guy-thrust-into-extraordinary-circumstances member of the Justice League in the nu52 (for some reason) but that hasn't exactly worked out particularly well, either.
Have I missed some secret version of the character where he's super interesting? Why does he keep turning up?
And why is he actually cool in the Teen Titans cartoon? Is it all Khary Payton? Why can the animators at Warners give him a cool design by the comic artists at DC can't?
His current solo isn't bad. They also finally updated his apoearance to something sleeker and more modern.
Yeah, but it's the squeaky wheels that get the grease
Sad to say, but they put him in as the token black character to be more diverse.
They fucking got rid of Martian Manhunter and put this C-lister on the main roster.
Fuck you, DC Editorial. Fuck you.
But diversity can be good. All you have to do is add good characters, instead of a boring one.
He's just so
Every incarnation of him is boring. He's just so hard to care about.
His whole concept is uninspired. There's nothing to him besides "part people part robot, blackface and laser"
Who IS Cyborg? What's his motivation? What the fuck is his purpose? Does he have a code? Is he an alcoholic? Does he have a family? A love interest? A rogue gallery?
Oh theres nothing wrong with it, I like cyborg, I was just inferring that DC hasnt exactly done a great job justifying him over Manhunter. Hes just....there half the time. They really need to flesh him out more. I mean christ is only noteworthy adversary was Grid
aside from the cool blue bits, he's terrible in the cartoon
the main problem with cyborg is we never got a bruce timm version.
i like his basic concept. His parents basically Tunguska'd him. That kind of betrayal sticks with him and makes him a little traumatized about what he is... so he's not just a typical boring cyborg but he also isnt the same old boring transhuman angst either. He'd probably be really okay with it if it was more like in that one recent animated movie where it really was to save his life.
Cyborg was my favorite character in the Titans cartoon and I enjoyed his Forever evil appearance and redesign he got. That was sleek as fuck and I much prefer it over his new design. But robot characters tend to be my favorites in super teams so I may like him more than his shallow characterization may deserve.
Personally I really like his original design for how old fashioned it looks and that he had to manually switch out attachments for his hands. I liked that they were just straight up prosthetic limbs and not metal meat arms.
Personally I wish he wasn't high profile because I think his evolution as character would work better if he started out with less advanced tech from the get go. I would much rather see him evolve over time into a Justice League member where his tech has clear advancements and limitations. Maybe like Ironman's many different suits Cyborg could just have different augmentations for specialized missions.
What I don't like is that he is not really a cyborg anymore just an alien machine man with powers I find confusing.
Yeah I like the idea that he automatically assimilates tech, whether he wants to or not. Though I miss the bulkier design. It's more cumbersome and invokes the idea that normal task are awkward for him now
Cartoon Cyborg was really good as hell.
They would be better making him like that, the "younger rookie" among the rest of the league.
Also, why the hell they dont put blue on his armor? It looks great.
Cartoon Cyborg was in a lot of ways the normal one. Robin was the driven borderline psycho, Raven was the angsty misanthrope, Starfire was super naive, and Beast Boy was super goofy. Cyborg was middle of the road guy.
I also thought it was really weird how they touched on his cyborg angst in the team's origin episode but he barely had any the rest of the time
Well, even in the show he hadthe lest going on of the whole team
>Beast Boy had Tera and Doom Patrol (Never Forget) episodes
>Starfire had episodes with her sister and home planet, besides her "romance" with Robin and general "fish out of water" personality
>Robin was the leader, had Deathstroke subplot and relationship with Starfire
>Raven had her daddy issue subplot with a nice conclusion, besides being the "Goth" knock off of the group
>Cyborg as there... I guess he worked with teach and had that episode were he fights a more advanced robot and still wins. Oh, and his robot car.
>He had Cyborg angst episode once a season. Two sometimes.
I only remember one actually (that I mentioned) what were the others.
Cyborg got to be cucked by kid flash
I really wanna see billy and vic broing it up more
I thought his original look wasn't that cumbersome or hobbled together despite that being explicitly stated. I thought it looked too clean despite it being mysterious technology. A more haphazard or at least asymmetrical look might have been a better choice. But I really liked his slimmed down redesign.
I guess what I don't like about his new design is that in story he doesn't have to look machine at all given that he can transform any part of his body to look completely normal. I guess he has to transform his body to use his powers, but I don't know if the book has made that clear. I haven't really read too much of his book since I found it kinda boring.
I think the new look gets across the fact he's a cyborg best, and even harkens a bit back to his original design without looking dated. The previous n52 designs just looked like heavy/sleek power armor
Well he did have the episodes where he fought Brother Blood. Even though he was probably the weakest villain in the series I did like that his motivation to go after Cyborg was pretty clear. I guess he was the most well adjusted member of the Team despite his power coming from dis-figuration.
Don't think I don't know it's you Carlos
The JL movie ultimately decides if Cyborg is still getting a solo film. Which I wont lie, Im interested in how that would go considering the freedom you have. Worst case scenario, they go full Robocop reboot. Best case he fights with Red Tornado or the Metal Men against someone like AMAZO.
I'm disappointed by Grid. Thematically he would be a great villain for Cyborg; he's litterally the machine to Vic's man and sets up a personal reason for Vic to have a grudge against him(it?). But it seems like they totally don't realize the potential there
The last awesome thing Cyborg did was having a rivalry with Brother Blood and the H.I.V.E. academy
I do not like what New 52 has done with him making him the head tech repair guy of the Justice League station.
I liked his current solo, it didn't hit the ball out of the park but it's good so far. It's weird how now he's hiding the fact that he can look human whenever he wants to in order to continue garnering attention from others.
>He'd probably be really okay with it if it was more like in that one recent animated movie where it really was to save his life.
Well that's his current New 52 canon since his dad only did it because he would have died.
DC is pushing him because he did well in the TT show.
But you're right he needs something. He worked well in TT because of Beast Boy. He needs a buddy, he works best as a bro. He doesn't really pop in the new52, until Shazam joins the Justice League.
>I only remember one actually (that I mentioned) what were the others.
okay in the early seasons there was the one with the robot scrapyard and the guy that tried to upgrade him, then there was the one where he competed with a robot and went over 100% of his power because he was part human, then there's the car episode, and then there was the season with brother blood which was cyborg's main antagonist.