What is your favorite Ben 10 alien and why is it Heatblast?

>>78871964
Cool design and voice

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Gotta go fast.

>>78871964
Because Digimon

Heatblast is cool, but I prefer Diamondahead over him

And I prefer XLR8 over all of them

>>78871988
This, but also I love fire themed superpowers.

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Original Big Chill is best

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Why did every other alien have superpowers?

>>78871964
1. Ghostfreak
2. Ripjaws
3. Original Big Chill.

>>78872010
XLR8 master race, best power, is a dinosaur, always looks cool

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You can't not love Ultraman

Bonesaw

>>78871964
That's not upgrade son

>>78872088
i think there a episode where he transform in a bunch of aliens that dont have impressive abilities and the two galvans said that the omnitrix is actually full of alien like this, ben just got lucky unlocking the powerfull ones

Diamondhead was pretty cool, but I really wish Ripjaws had seen more action. He was probably my favorite.

>>78872088
I was waiting for the episode that Ben changes into some alien that can't do jackshit.

But since Alien Force happened, the omnitrix is a weapon so all the aliens that are catalogued are supposed to be useful for murdering with some power

>>78871964
That's not cannonbolt

>>78872176
Seeing Ripjaws take on the Kraken was badass.

>>78872207
You should really watch Omniverse. It retconned/made fun of a lot of stupid shit AF/UA did.

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>It's a Ben turns into one of his little gimmicky joke aliens to beat the bad guy instead of one of his cool aliens episode

>>78872174
>>78872207
Well the guy who created the omnitrix wanted it to be protected so maybe he programmed it with the stronest aliens?

>>78872268
OV was an abortion and ruined the franchise

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>>78871964

I really like plant monsters.

>>78872202
Was easilly the most powerful, before that Cosmic asshole. They never used him much but he could wreck anything. Shame they decided, oh ghost powers, cool lets make him evil.

>>78872306
I thought he said it contained every known alien in it. And all the weird hybrid kids in the second series had alien superpowers too.

>>78872207
>But since Alien Force happened, the omnitrix is a weapon so all the aliens that are catalogued are supposed to be useful for murdering with some power
No? Alien force made it a catalogue for species the high breed were wiping out
The ultimate in was a weapon but that was made by albedo

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>>78871964
LET ME TELL YOU SOMEONE, OP. RATH IS BEST ALIEN IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. GIVE UP, OP. YOU CAN'T BEAT RATH

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>>78872202
Ghostfreak is GOAT, this is a fact

>>78872363
That is exactly how I feel, Ghostfreak can be so freaking powerful, the fucker can literally go into your chest and sink his claws into your heart if he wanted to and why the fuck hasn't Ben used that chest beam yet?

Ghostfreak will always be my favorite even when big competitors like Toepick and Molestache have popped up over the years.

>>78872502
This. The omnitrix was supposed to be Noah's ark and preserve alien races.

>>78872454
Idk if it had EVERY alien.

>>78872454
It has the DNA of a little over one million dominant alien species, I highly doubt that's every species in the Ben 10 universe, every species in the milky way and a select few from other galaxies as well perhaps.

>>78872454
Every alien in that galaxy. When Ben met some from another galaxy the omnitrix had to absorb them to use them

>>78872523
Is it voiced by Hulk Hogan? That's what it looks like to me.

>>78873141
I'm pretty sure DiMaggio voices him

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Remember when Ben got a cold and it caused Heatblast to have freeze powers.

>>78872088
Humanitty power os that they can fuck EVERYTHING and produced hybrids with everyone.

Yes, this is Canon.

>>78871964
>>78871964
>What is your favorite Ben 10 alien and why is it Upgrade?
fixed.

>>78873192
that didnt make any sense

but it was cool as fuck

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No mention of this scary-ass trap?

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>>78873200

>>78873141
imo he's written more as a pastiche of Randy Savage

>>78871964
I really hated it when they made magic into "lol It's just a higher form of science. XD"

>>78873394
So how did they explain the magic shit that wasn't Gwen's dumb alien heritage?

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OFFICIAL ALIEN POWER RANKINGS

God Tier
>Heatblast (Very first ever, and best, non-disputable)
>XLR8 (Sexy ass design, visor, horrible pun of a name)
>Feedback
>Chromastone
>Nanomech
>Clockwork
>Pesky Dust
>The Worst
>Toepick

Shit Tier
>Everything Else

>>78873465
mana was life energy that allowed manipulation

i mean yeah its kinda bullshit but i figure the other characters can also manipulate manna somehow

>>78873467
you forgot Diamondhead tho

>Alien with ghost powers that can be terrifyingly powerful when used right
>Alien that can control time
>Alien that can control reality
>Alien with a face so ugly it can scare even gods and he supposedly has a defense mechanism towards things that cannot be affected like blind and emotionless ones
>Alien that can enter and manipulate dreams
>Alien that is completely indestructible
>Alien that can manipulate atomic energy
>Aliens like Diamondhead and Feedback are OP when used right
>Has over a million more aliens that he has unlocked in the future with untold varieties in super powers
>Omnitrix literally cannot let Ben die

Is Ben the most OP character ever? Can he beat Batman even with prep time?

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>>78873465
Magic

>>78873465
>"It's scientific rituals with energy manipulation sensitive beings that low intelligence people called magic. :DDD"
I really wanted a sci-fi/magic cartoon.

>>78873566
no he isnt

one thing I liked about Ben 10 is that they kept his powered limited. his omnitrix had glitches, timed out, the aliens each had limitations.

Also Ben himself was kinda retarded, his biggest limitation was himself

>>78873467

>Diamondhead
>Shit tier
>Upgrade
>Shit tier
>A lot of other cool ones
>Shit tier

Fuck off.

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>>78873625
Ben was pretty good at working with what he got. If he got an alien that was ill suited to a situation he did his best to make it work.

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>>78873559
>Diamondhead
>God Tier

Eh, he's great, but not amazing.

OS Omnitrix > AF Omnitrix > OV Omnitrix >>>>>>> Ultimatrix

>>78873734
Ben also had allies though. He's definitely powerful but he isn't unstoppable either.

>>78873749
Ultimatrix was gimmicky but the stories in UA were pretty good in my opinion.

>>78872965
>>78873122
Ben 10 isn't Star Wars. The whole thing takes place in the entire universe, not one galaxy.

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>>78872207
>I was waiting for the episode that Ben changes into some alien that can't do jackshit.
Omniverse did it.

>>78872064
Mein neger

>>78873195
Seems to be the standard power in every scifi and fantasy.

Humans have the power of fuck and leave weird halfbreed kids.

He never turned into an annodyte like Gwen.

>>78874357
I wondered about that but I figured since her DNA was never pure annodyte, the omnitrix couldnt scan it

>>78874396
Anodites don't have DNA that's why the Omnitrix doesn't have them.

>>78873195
No it isnt. Thank omniverse for using shtty retcon to get rid of slightly less shitty retcons

>>78874443
thats interesting and explains a lot

>>78872386
Itcamefromthelagoon is my favourite too Anon.

>>78874482
There are still alien human hybrids in Gwen. Also Ester was suppose to be part human. So that's still there.

>>78873857
No it doesnt. The 5 aliens that a Gregor captured to get to alien xs hone planet were from the Sirius galaxy.

>>78874594
no hes right, they reference multiple galaxies. its the entire universe

at one point they went so far outside the universe that they found a completely different universe in the distance.

>>78873467
>Chromastone
>Not just a cheap imitation of the original series (diamondback) like half of Alien Force's aliens
Seriously, it pissed me off how most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien in general was absolute shit.

>>78874771
> most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series.

you're right but don't forget Goop, Spidermonkey, and Alien X. All of those were as cool and unique as the original ones.

> Alien Force and Ultimate Alien in general was absolute shit.

No they aren't? The writing was actually pretty good and fleshed out the characters. The aliens weren't as original but the writing and characterization was well done.

>>78871964
>not Ghostfreak

>>78874482
Ben 10000 Ultimate is still Canon in one timeline. So yeah, its still there.

If the alien didn't come from the original series, I don't care for them. Also I liked the omnitrix described as "a way of different races understanding one another" but I guess DNA archive works too I guess. I haven't watched omniverse. Diamondhead was one of my favorites, Upgrade is good too

>>78874829
It completely shit on the universe from the original series with a heaping of retcons, the art style was absolute shit with the incredibly bland alien designs, and the characters were about as deep as a puddle. Omniverse tried to salvage the series by reverting most of the retcons from those awful shows but their stain still remained.

>>78874771
>diamondback
lol
Chromastone might be made of crystal but his power set and design/color scheme have nothing in common with Diamondhead.

>>78873467
Rath and Benwolf are up there.

>>78872145
OH YEAH!!!

>>78875023
You have to admit, AF could of had more creative transformations than Chromastone and Swampfire. Like NRG and co could have been default roster

>>78875008
what retcons? I hardly remember any at all and none were major.

>the art style was absolute shit
Not really, it was pretty much the same as the OS

> and the characters were about as deep as a puddle.

disagree, Ben 10 Alien Force has some of the most realistic teenagers I've ever seen

>>78874771
>Seriously, it pissed me off how most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series
Don't know what you're on about
That was basically just Swampfire being Heatblast from S1 and wildvine from S2
What you should be mad about was that there wasn't a lot of alien diversity
Either the aliens shot out beams or they hit stuff with their fists for the most part

>>78875135
>retcons
Omnitrix was designed as a weapon now
Kevin is redeemed an unfortunately becomes boring, no longer mutant
Gwen is now half alien and magic is explained through alien science
Forever knights go full retard
I think there were a few plumber changes too

>>78875439
> Omnitrix was designed as a weapon now

No it wasn't? In AF they specifically said it's Noah's ark more or less.

> Kevin is redeemed an unfortunately becomes boring, no longer mutant

That didnt really retcon anything, he was always just a kid with random powers. They just gave a reason for why he has powers. It didnt change anything.

> Gwen is now half alien and magic is explained through alien science

That was KINDA stupid but I liked the plotline with Gwen's grandmother and how Max fell in love with an alien woman during his old school Men in Black years. That was pretty dope in my opinion.

>>78875135
>>78875135
>Not really, it was pretty much the same as the OS
Are you fucking blind? The drop in quality in the animation alone was obvious. The alien designs compared to the OS was also a lot more generic.
>>78875312
>Swampfire is Heatblast + Wildvine
>Big Chill is Ghostfreak + Articguana
>Humongasaur is dinosaur Way Big
>Jet Ray is a flying XLR8
>Echo Echo is Ditto with sonic powers
>Chromastone is Diamondback with enery powers
>Brainstorm is crab Grey Matter
>Goop is Upgrade without the tech stuff
Don't even get me started with that retarded "shout the name of the alien he changes into" bullshit they started.

>>78875685
I specifically remember them referring to it as "The most powerful weapon in existence" but perhaps late season AF tried to ignore that.

>>78875685
>I liked the plotline with Gwen's grandmother and how Max fell in love with an alien woman during his old school Men in Black years.
They had that in the original series. No idea why they completely forgot about her either.

>>78875815
In Secret of the Omnitrix Azmuth said it was a device to allow aliens to better understand one another. In Alien Force Azmuth said it was like an ark to preserve DNA in case some species went extinct. Shame the never used it to restore Cannonbolt's race. In Ultimate Alien it was show that he made it partly in the hopes his GF would come back after she got mad that he made a sword that ended up destroyed the Incursean's homeworld.

>>78875808
> Are you fucking blind?
I was referring mostly to the drawing style. And I think youre exaggerating, the animation never struck me as bad when I watched it.

> >Goop is Upgrade without the tech stuff

Eh not really. The tech thing was the main point of Upgrade. Goop was pretty different and his design was unique.

> Don't even get me started with that retarded "shout the name of the alien he changes into" bullshit they started.

One episode made fun of that. Ben was a retarded teenager and claimed it struck fear into the heart of his enemies, and it was played off as a joke.

>>78875815
They estbalished that in like the FIRST episode when Vilgax tried to steal it. It wasnt built as a weapon but with bad intentions it could be used as one.

>>78875914
No, it was in Alien Force. Gwen's grandmother met Max in the sixties when he was young and just becoming a plumber or whatever.

>>78875135
>retcons
-magic is just energy and science
-Kevin is half alien instead of a mutant psycho
-Kevin is good (not a bad retcon desu)
-Gwen doesn't use spells, now she's a weaker green lantern (this was rectified in UA)
-Animo is a badass dimensional conqueror with an iron fist (like wtf)
-Oh wait he's a joke character again
-the plumbers have no presence on Earth but a bunch of teenagers (what happened to Ben's extended family from the wedding episode?)
-Gwen has a brother! (And he was never mentioned or seen again - this is also something OV should have addressed)
-Max had how many plumber partners? 4?
-Just, the Forever Knights. They used to be artifact collectors who would use force if money did not secure their quarry. Now they're xenophobic neo-crusaders and arms dealers who sell the very technology they are supposed to hoard... wat?
These are just off the top of my head. Note that many of these are explained away by Omniverse. THAT IS THE POINT. Omniverse had to retcon the retcons because UAF's retcons made no sense.

>Art style
it was made on the cheap to look similar to the OS's style. Any time there is a crowd of the same alien species they're all copypasted. There are maybe 15 facial expressions total for each main character, significantly less for the secondaries.

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>>78875914
OS Vilgax is still best Vilgax hands down. Same goes for Kevin

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>>78876111

>>78872295

You know very well Diamond Head or 4-Arms couldn't take on Vilgax's 3 bounty hunters so he needed to use Grey Matter

>>78876038

>One episode made fun of that. Ben was a retarded teenager and claimed it struck fear into the heart of his enemies, and it was played off as a joke
i remember that episode kevin and gwen stare at him after he do that again and say to alien "you have fear in your heart?"

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>>78876038
He was referring to the other alien love interest. And I recall Azimuth calling it a weapon when he designed it in AF once but again that was handwaved away later

>>78876038
No, I was saying the OS had Max fall in love with an alien in his youth. She wasn't their GF, she was just an old flame apparently. She was basically the same role as the grandmother so no idea why they didn't just use her.

Also, if you payed attention to the animation at all you would have seen the drastic drop in quality. The original series actually had some damn good animation and some really nice alien designs. AF and UA is incredibly stiff in comparison.

>>78876111
>>78876190
I miss when Vilgax was actually threatening, the voice made like half of his presence.

>>78876064
> Kevin is half alien instead of a mutant psycho
He still goes psycho though during AF I believe, because he loses control. And like you said, making Kevin a good guy was cool and created more variation in the powers.

> -Gwen doesn't use spells, now she's a weaker green lantern (this was rectified in UA)

But Gwen still used spells. All they did was explain how the spells worked.

> -the plumbers have no presence on Earth but a bunch of teenagers (what happened to Ben's extended family from the wedding episode?)

Weren't there other plumbers in Belwood?

> -Gwen has a brother!

Not an important detail, changes nothing

> -Just, the Forever Knights. They used to be artifact collectors who would use force if money did not secure their quarry. Now they're xenophobic neo-crusaders and arms dealers who sell the very technology they are supposed to hoard... wat?

I would have to go back and rewatch that, but the forever knights were never my favorite villains to begin with

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>>78876111
>[
Vilgax yes, he was a legitimate threat. Thought space Cthulu Vilgax was interesting though.

As for Kevin, imo OV had the best design but didn't give him enough air time. That said, the random occasions when he would show up just to kick ass were pretty spectacular and the rooters arc was fantastic

>>78876215
yeah see it was hilarious, the thing about Ben 10 is that its very self aware and thats what makes it good. For example, I remember one episode featured Ben saying that live action is always better than animation.

>>78876237
Who was the other love interest? I still remember a lot of the lore but I forgot that character

>>78876111
truth

>>78876255
Frankly everyone in OS 10,000 got a nice upgrade. Kevin 11,000, Vilgax's new offensive arm, Dr Animo in a jar. Shame that was never the next step after the OS

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>>78876255
Once you get tossed into space and can't win even when you team up with another villain it's time to call it quits.

>>78876341
Why didn't they make a Ben 10,000 series? I wanted that SO fucking bad holy shit

>>78876347
Way Big was fucking amazing honestly.

>>78876339
She sent the omnitrix to earth, specifically Max, but Ben got to it first

>>78876414
Wait hold on I thought the Omnitrix's creator sent it to him? Fuck I might have to rewatch some of it again.

>>78876292
Another thing that pissed me off about Alien Force, they basically took Kevin's moderately cool power and turned it into a palette swap. In the Original Series, when he absorbed an aliens power he actually had a wholly unique design. In AF and UA he just changed colors.

>>78876471
thats not true. At one point he absorbs the AF omnitrix and gets a whole new mutant design like he did in the OS. He only changed colors when he absord basic materials like metal. And even then he could still shapeshift it into hammers like the T-1000

>>78872010
This fucker was so overpowered in the okay DS game. I loved every minute of it.

>>78876456
Its probably AF/UA messing with you honestly. Again, retcons.

Also remember how the Forever Knights went way overboard with the theme in AF? Yeesh

>>78876499
Max is basically old captain Kirk. I want a show where young Max travels the galaxy doing cool plumber shit and fucking alien broads

>>78876405
Honestly I think they were working up to it. OV gave a lot of screentime to the 10k side of things, enough that, had there been no reboot, changing the 10k future again would have been unacceptable. IMO DJW's plan was to have the "galactic road trip" take place over the course of several years in-universe, bringing us one or two series away from a 10k series after its completion.

>>78876519
It still looked fucking lame. At least Omniverse actually did more than make it a simple color change with more texture shit and whatnot.

>>78876572
A Ben 10,000 series would basically be Batman Beyond with aliens

that makes me hard just thinking about it

>>78874443
That doesn't even make sense.

If Anodyte don't have DNA how did their grandmother pass being an Anodyte down onto Gwen? Why aren't Gwen and Ben's father's just clones of Max?

>>78876604
Meh, his powers were still cool though. At one point he absorbed his car tire and began bouncing while fighting. It was kinda rad.

>>78876639
magic idk

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Fist Rook is best bro.

Been should have dated a Slush Puppy

>>78872041
The only downside is that you get pregnant.

>>78876737
Whats funny is Wildmutt has more in common with a feline given his adult transformation. Also I kind of miss the original opening theme now that I think about it...

>>78876639
I think that was a case of McDuffie trying to answer a fan question but didn't think it all the way through. It also raises the question of how is Gwen an Anodite.

>>78872244
I just didn't like that he used this one every episode.

>>78876778
FIGHTING OFF EVIL FROM EARTH OR SPACE

>>78876821
We really needed more Mummy and Frankenstein transformations

>>78876856
>originally an offshoot of the plumbers
>nah, they're an ancient order now
>now they were founded by Saint George too for some reason
I hated this bullshit. That, and the Forever King ended up being a bald old fucker under the massive power armor.

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>>78876995
>That one faction that spent like hundreds of years trying to kill a dragon.

>>78876744
>downside

>>78876995
The original forever king was fine, then they killed him off for that old bastard.
>>78877146
Seriously, what the hell was up with that?
>Oh shit theres a planet full of those things? Awesome! Grab your guns boys

>>78877353
greymatter master race

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>>78877374

>>78871964
We had a tournament

http://challonge.com/Ben10co/standings


Top 10
1.Rath
2.Upgrade
3.Xlr8
4.Jury Rigg
5.Gravatack
6.Big Chill
7.Diamondhead
8.Swampfire
9.Clockwork
10.Way Big

>>78872306
>This fag again

>>78877458
but its true, omniverse got cancelled and now theyre rebooting it

>>78873897
Walkatrout has a power.

He can WALK!

For a fish that's pretty impressive

>>78877519
He's super slippery too.

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Just me?

>>78873394
But it is. If it wasn't no one would be able to lean or study it

>>78877578
thats some fucking amazing animation holy shit

>>78873566
PROCTER WAS RIGHT!

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I wish there was an original series based around this power.

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>>78871964

I only ever watched the original series but Wildmutt was my favorite because I am a huge furfag.

>>78874995
But several amazing aliens came in Af UA and OV, don't be a geewunner

>>78873394
>>78873465
>>78873621
I'll never understand aversion to using magic in cartoons or movies *cough* MCU *Cough*

There are six books and seven movies, both incredibly successful that prove people LOVE magic.

>>78877497
Because UA killed the toy sales

>>78877755
The entire magic vs science thing is meme by people who had no idea what either of those terms mean.

We have had this discussion hundreds of times people.

>>78877844
yeah thats not the fault of the show though. I actually felt the writing in UA was good for the most part. The Ultimatrix was a gimmick but I enjoyed the stories.

>>78877914
UA had better writing, I feel it was an intermediary to the best series OV.

>>78877733
Oh dont misunderstand me, I dont have an opinion on OV because i never watched it. AF/UA kind of made me drop the show. So what were the best new additions in OV? Perhaps one of the worst in AF was Alien X

>>78877543
Which did come in handy that one time Ben decided to flush himself down the toilet

Grey Matter or Nanomech probably would have been easier for that but still

>>78872244
Loved Cannonbolt. I remember how hype I was when Ben got him as a new alien because I thought he'd always just have his 10 aliens throughout the series.

I'll never forget that episode with Ben and Kevin breaking out together. When Kevin turned on Ben and taunted him saying he had all of his aliens, I was giddy when he transformed and showed him Cannonbolt and wrecked him with it.

>>78877675
>didn't ever upgrade his own omnitrix
Ben could've literally kicked anyone's ass by going upgrade and making his omnitrix more... "Upgraded''

>>78878132
but to be upgrade you have to absorb another piece of tech, whereas the omnitrix was already a part of him

however, he could have gone graymatter and figured out how to hack it, which they touched upon

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:^)

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How much easier would an Omnitrix make your life /co/?
>Use Grey Matter/Brainstorm for College Classes and Studying for Midterms.
>XLR8 to go across the country to buy authentic New York/Chicago Pizza. And fuck Hookers in seconds.
>Cannonbolt for digging.
>Heatblast during the snowy months to piss everyone off .
>Swampfire to generate shitloads of methane and manure for cows because why the fuck not.
>GhostFreak to traumatize little children during Halloween.
>WayBig to make the world loose it's shit and give Japan the greatest hard-on.
>Ditto just to see how much shittier he is compared to Echo Echo
>Echo Echo to create duplicates of my human form and experiment.
>Jetray to race around the earth.
>Big Chill to cool my drinks.
>Humongosaur for my younger cousins during Birthday parties.
>Upgrade to permanently alter my old-ass tech and resell it for a fortune.
>Clockwork to see the future and learn what the Powerball numbers are (1.3 Billion so far holy shit)
>Four Arms to create a /fit/ video.
>Alien-X when I'm self-loathing to the point where I'd listen to Multiple Personality Bullshit.

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>>78878132
He tried something like that during Omniverse

He also had Grey Matter hack another omnitrix in that arc

>>78878403
How did the Omnitrix work with species that had a decent amount of diversity? Could you theoretically have different specimens in a single species stored in the Omnitrix if there were a reason to?

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>>78878403
>use clockwork to steal tech from 6 years in future
>go back, use upgrade or uprigg to make it more advanced
>make millions
>repeat

>>78878502
He had two flavors on Upchucks

>>78878502
this was explained

the omnitrix randomizes some parts of the DNA. I know this because at one point they found some prototype omnitrix that could only do one alien at a time, and it scanned Gwen's DNA. Then it produced another human. So I guess it keeps the majority the same but shifts some other traits around.

>>78878252
Not really, the watch was still fully functional and acted just about the same whenever he transformed as it was when he was just Ben
It's a valid point as to why he didn't just go into the Omnitrix and upgrade it to not have to time out or anything like that

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>>78878420
That's the thing. If Ben had a brain he could use Grey Matter to unlock the Master Control.

Even if he's bonded to it during a transformation his enhanced intelligence should allow him to understand how the Omnitrix functions.

It's just plot which stops Ben from being fully competent. If he were and plot wasn't an issue then:
>Ben immediately turns into Grey Matter or Brainstorm
>Eventually unlocks the Master Control function.
>Immediately turns into Alien-X
>Tricks Bellicus and Selene into giving him full control like in OV.
>Turns into Echo Echo
>Does that Duplicate thing into Multiple Grey Matters and Brainstorms
>Now has multiple fucking Omnitrix templates to work with.
>Creates the fusion function years ahead of time.
>Also adds back the Ultimate Form Function.

>>78878502
No, the Omnitrix is only programed to hold one sample from a species.
For example, if Ben was the chosen sample for human, then an Alien with the Omnitrix would turn into Ben.

It's why Albedo turned into Ben even though there are 7 Billion humans on the planet.

>>78875808
>Humongasaur can't even grow in Omniverse

JUST

>>78878598
>>78878724
...so did one of these things retcon the other? I'm really behind on my Ben 10 lore, I dropped off at some point really far into the teenage stuff and didn't even hear about Omniverse's existence until recently.

>>78878794
idk, I mean i love the show and all but the plot isnt totally airtight.

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>>78878724
>That's the thing. If Ben had a brain he could use Grey Matter to unlock the Master Control.

Isn't that what his kid did?

>>78878870
god fuck that omnitrix gauntlet was so fucking awesome

jesus christ

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>>78878794
>>78878842

Well, >>78878598 is referring to the Unitrix - the prototype Omnitrix which sampled DNA and randomized it.

The Omnitrix itself does not. It can fuse multiple DNA samples but it can't randomize what's already there.

I.E. Ben can scan a new life form, but the Omnitrix will keep their specific DNA sequence. If the OMnitrix encounters a new sequence from the same species, it deletes it IIRC.

This is the reason why Ghostfreak broke out of the Omnitrix DNA bank, as it's consciousness was unique too it's specific DNA.

>>78878724
>>78878598
>>78878794
both work, Ben 10 has very deep lore and it is muddled with bull shit. Better question is why didn't Ben think of the Fusion function til he was 45. He could literally just use two and it would have the same effect, and it would have no ill effects on him.

>>78878770
>AF/UA aliens aren't used all that much in Omniverse
An improvement in every way

>>78877990
You like comics? OV is like that Morrison or Johns run that folds in all that came before and extends it. It doesn't throw out uaf, it just takes the good ideas like Argit, Multiversal Travel, The Space travel, aliens, ultimates, most bad guys etc and remakes them into better wholes. The art direction is legendary, every thing from food to tech to aliens to extras is drawn with lush creative detail, lore is expanded on from all corners, The os, af,ua, videogames, toylines, trading carss and behind the scenes factoids.

It's in general just a really amazing show,

To be warned it peteres out around the end, but still a great work of art.

http://desustorage.org/co/thread/77927701/#77927701

>>78878724
>That's the thing. If Ben had a brain
He doesn't.

>No, the Omnitrix is only programed to hold one sample from a species.
>For example, if Ben was the chosen sample for human, then an Alien with the Omnitrix would turn into Ben.

It samples one member, but it can randomize the DNA if told to. Like Ben did with the Highbreed. And that prototype, the Unitrix, was made to randomize the DNA too iirc

>It's why Albedo turned into Ben even though there are 7 Billion humans on the planet.
I assume Albedo turned into Ben because of the Omnitrix backfire

>>78878420
I fucking love how people keep bringing up ideas for.cool shit and us going
>Ov did it

That fucking show

>>78877549
Something about his design makes me think of Brainstorm, so I rarely think about Gravattack himself

>>78878502
>>78878502
OV did it is the answer.

Fucking OV

>>78879148
Why did Ben never think to alter his own Forms then?
>Make Heatblast more resistant to cold temperatures
>Give Canonbolt some brakes.

Always thought Ben 10 was total shit

Really shallow characters, was never that creative with the aliens or their powers, the man bad guy Vilgax was just a generic alien overlord type guy, no real memorable villains whatsoever, most of the concepts for everything were just derivative of comics or cartoons rehashed in an unoriginal way like the "Plumbers" and their pocket dimension prison shit, or those knights templar people who were the least intimidating secret society ever portrayed on TV.

It's a shame Ben 10 took off with because of merchandising while Megas XLR fizzled out.

>>78879266
GTFO Ben 10 is one of the most creative and original shows I've ever seen

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>>78879266
To be fair, the entire premise of the show was originally supposed to be an animated adaptation of Dial H for Hero.

There's REALLY early concept art out in the internet which shows Ben's original forms being straight up Superhero pastiches.

It was scraped in favor of Aliens to add a new aesthetic to the series.

So yeah, Ben was originally supposed to be Robby Reed.

Seriously, look at Pic Related and tell me Ben isn't reminiscent of that.

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>>78878582
There were two different races of the Upchuck species who looked slightly different and Ben could turn into both

>>78879412
the connections to Dial H For Hero are flimsy at best

the only similarity is that the two have a dial instilled with powers. That ignores ALLL of the sci-fi lore present in Ben 10.

>>78878519
>steal future tech to make it even more futuristic

You could just use older/current tech and make that more advanced instead. Then you only need Upgrade or *Juryrigg

>>78879148
well actually the omnitrix sorta sampled ben as the base form, so when Albedo found the blueprints, he turned into ben instead of himself when he turned back from testing it. Also judging his appearance in OV which takes place 6 months after UA, Albedo demonstrates that being in a form that isn't really you will cause the form to slowly waste away. Demonstrated by his far more messing appearance and bags under his eyes.

to put it into perspective, Imagine Bruce Wayne putting on the Batman after putting on a disguise. Than imagine him taking off the bat suit, and staying dressed up as someone else. He isn't Bruce Wayne until he takes off the disguise.

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>>78879486
My point was that the show was literally supposed to be Dial H for Hero.

They later scraped the idea and created the Alien/Future aesthetic instead while retaining the core idea.

The idea of a boy who could turn into a shitton of superpowered beings.

>>78878724
>>Tricks Bellicus and Selene into giving him full control like in OV.
That was hype but holy shit I hated Alien X's design in OV. It was just looked bad to me

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>>78879412
Fucking Plastic Man?

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>>78879500
Ahem.

>>78879561
>That was hype but holy shit I hated Alien X's design in OV. It was just looked bad to me

I feel this way about basically every design choice OV made.

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>>78879561
Nobody liked the general Art Style in Omniverse.
It would've been GOAT if the Art Style was like the OS or UAF

Pi Fuking Related.

>>78879633
exactly. why does this board have a hardon for OV? it was way too cartoonish and the art style was fucking AWFUL

>>78879662
dude

that pic

holy shit

>>78879669
Because
>muh waifus

>>78879571
Excuse me, I forgot that

>>78879266
I just like the original series because it had some good animation and alien design. Everything else, while not quite good, wasn't exactly bad either. Everything afterwards not counting OV was complete shit though.

>>78879662
>UAF
>GOAT art style
you disgust me

>>78879633
>>78879662
>>78879669
If it had the OS design or even slightly modified AF designs, it would not have been so bad

>>78879748
I don't really like the waifufags, but the show was begging for it. They literally had an episode of Ben being on a game show where every girl he knew had to compete for his love

>>78879874
i liked the art style in UAF because it was more simple and realistic. Ben 10 wasn't a saturday morning cartoon, it was an animated series telling a continuous story that could have been live action. OV ruined that.

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>>78879931
you disgust me, even more so

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>>78872339
Muh nugguh

>>78872746
>Nu-Ghostfreak is covered in chains and manacles, showing the Omnitrix is keeping him from escaping like he did the first time

POTTERY
O
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T
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>over 200 posts and no mention of the real best alien
EYE think you are all BLIND when it comes to cool aliens

>>78875008
Only thing I really disliked about Ultimate Alien was...well, the Ultimate Alien thing. It just seemed like an "I win" button most of the time.

I liked what Omniverse did and made it a feature exclusive to Albedo, forcing Ben to have to be more creative and just better with the Omnitrix than Albedo.

>>78879985
I can't finish this show. I stopped on episode 7 of season 4 and I have no motivation to pick it back up. The characters just can't be liked anymore, season 4 has just been a chore

>>78880212
Technically, UA did that too, in the finale.

>>78876347
>that "Oh fuck" look on Vilgax's face during the wind-up

It's the little things sometimes.

>>78879985
but im right though. Ben 10 always seemed like a blockbuster movie to me and could be live action. OV made it some crappy cartoon.

>>78877483
>ZA WARUDO

>>78880417
They tried to make it live action. It was shit. It seemed like it could be a blockbuster in the sense it was about as generic and memorable as every other action movie blockbuster.

>>78880417
I'm almost certain they made an live action Ben 10 movie.

It was pretty shit like the series itself.

>>78879148
>I assume Albedo turned into Ben because of the Omnitrix backfire
IIRC, Albedo's omnitrix was linked to Ben's, and Ben's DNA was stored in the Omnitrix as the "default" to shift back to when it timed out.

So when Albedo timed out, it set him back to the default form, which was Ben.

>>78880559
Hey we got nanomech, it wasn't all bad

>>78880559
>>78880579
thats not fair, Im pretty sure the live action movie was literally the first live action anything ever made by cartoon network. Ben 10 hasn't been given its fair shot

honestly >>78880579 if you hate the show why are you in this thread

>>78880333
Technically yeah, but he only used it...once that time I think?

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>>78880613
Not everything needs to be Live Action. I would prefer top of the line CG to live action.

You're right when you say that the tone of the series could've been more mature and serious, leading to a more bombastic and grand tone. But it's still a creation of CN and they'd never let that happen.

At least while Snyder was still president. The new chick, maybe, but I doubt it.

>>78880684
> Not everything needs to be Live Action. I would prefer top of the line CG to live action.
I would like a theatrical movie to be live action. An actual show? No way, theres no budget for that unless its HBO.

> You're right when you say that the tone of the series could've been more mature and serious, leading to a more bombastic and grand tone. But it's still a creation of CN and they'd never let that happen.

thats the thing with CN nowadays. Theyre too dedicated to making saturday morning cartoons. I miss Ben 10 and Justice League because they were like actual shows.

>>78880768
I think you're looking at Ben 10 with a bit of nostalgia goggles there bud. The show has always been Saturday morning cartoon levels of writing quality.

>>78880877
No im not

You're right that there's some shitty writing in there. But just keep in mind a film is only 2 hours long. A source material as vast and creative and Ben 10 could definitely be edited down to an awesome 2 hour, sci-fi blockbuster. There's no doubt in my mind about it.

>>78880923
Ben 10's source material isn't all that special, it's like 90% visual at best and even then that was only with the original series. OS had the appeal of awesome alien design, Omniverse had a lot fun deconstructions, UAF had nothing. There are far better choices out there for sci-fi film adaptions.

>>78880923
Remember when they tried to whittle down ATLA into a 2 hour block buster?

>>78871964
upgrade or die nigga

>>78877755
Seven books and eight movies?
Either way, it's usually due to the whole
>"how does magic work, though?"
>"uh, by magic?"
>"what a shit answer"
So they handwave it away with Cosmic Energy or some shit. It has little need for explanation when aliens have their powers just cuz. I wonder if any non-human, non-magic-aliens used magic. Like alien Charmcasters or something.

>>78877549
Loved his voice

>>78881015
I think Ben 10 could be like sci-fi Harry Potter. It has more creative ideas and imo the characters are more interesting like Grandpa max. There are a lot of parallels between the two, like for example both show a character aging from ten to adulthood, he has two superpowered friends, they save the world, but with Ben 10 its sci fi not magic.

> There are far better choices out there for sci-fi film adaptions.

Well, it kinda depends. For family oriented sci-fi I can't think of any better choices. Are there some more serious sci-fi that deserves adaptations? Probably. But as far as entertainment that anyone can enjoy, I think Ben could be great if adapted for film.

>>78881129
thats bad logic. just because one movie did it bad doesnt mean it cant be done well. even James Bond started out as a shitty TV special before the actual movies began.

>>78871964

Why are you asking us what our favorite alien is if you've already decided that there is only one acceptable answer?

>>78872064
This guy fucking gets it.

>>78881213
First day here, huh?

>>78872158

He never stated it was

I imagine he was speaking from his own completely subjective veiwpoint. And Upgrade presumably did not figure into them

>>78881015
>UAF had nothing.

Poor quality b8, mate.

>>78881129
1. It was far less than 2 hours. If they'd done 2 or more the movie would've been better
2. It was M. Night Shyamalan. He's never produced anything of quality.

>>78881254

It just doesnt make much sense.

>>78881306
hey Sixth Sense and Signs

>>78881327
>Sixth Sense and Unbreakable
Fixed.

>>78872144
Why the FUCK didn't I get that homage sooner?

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>>78871964
one of the original 10 barely saw any play why is Ripjaws suffering?.. still my favorite

>>78873230
Because it's a COLD, anon.
What part don't you get?
Jeez.

>>78881631
Because it's kind of limited to be the designated aquatic alien.

>>78881631
It makes you wonder why they even had a land form. Maybe it rained constantly, or they evolved to be on land after being technologically adept enough to have some sort of surface-breather.

>>78882187
Their world has no land mass at all. It's almost entirely water. The only thing holding it together was a piece of technology. When Aggregor stole it the water of the planet just started floating off into space.

>>78880684
I'd prefer bottom of the line CG to live action

I never finished Omniverse, I quit watching it for some reason after Ben reset the Universe (or after he stopped Attea and her Waybads, whichever is more recent). Should I bother finishing it?

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Is it possible to upgrade the omnitrix?
Upgrade is da best

>>78882696
It's bonded to him during the transformation so it's irrelevant.

What would an "Upgraded" Omnitrix even entail? Master Control? Fusions? What?

>>78882696
If anything, GreyMatter to understand how to make one, at least a basic, simple one. Upgrade that shit Omnitrix so it's a basic Omnitrix, then switch them, Upgrade the First one, get full use of the original (which is for the best, since the shit one will be shit)
>>78882764
Full genetic control of powerful alien DNA. Also no timeout, no glitches, instant transformation between aliens, and yeah probably fusions.

>>78871964
Anybody remember the Billy cameo or the Cow and Chicken one?
Also, I liked the oven alien.

>>78882920
oh yeah Billy was Ben's son's friend

>Albedo explains smacking the omnitrix forces it to randomize
>Ben still smacks the omnitrix
>Master Control is a thing
Now with that out the way. I liked yellow tank ball and canadian electric Sasquatch. Rath was also fucking awesome.

>>78881151
Most likely since there was that alien turtle thing. Still though, it's fucking magic. It doesn't need to explain shit.

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>>78883009
>tfw no FanFic showing Ben and Albedo as GenderBent Lesbian Lovers.

Somebody write it.

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>>78882988
>>78882920

>>78883118
i love how we can watch the OS in HD now

it just fills me with joy

>>78883068
The windy turtle? or something else?

>>78883009

>Canadian electric Sasquatch

Excuse me? As a Canadian, this greatly interests me.

>>78883818
The turtle with the flaming head like Dormammu

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>>78883888
I'm unnaware of who that is. Lost track of the show after UA/AF, trying to find the time for Omni.
>>78883861
http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Shocksquatch

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>>78883927
also holy shit this won a Draw Your Own Alien design.

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>>78883861
>>78883927

>>78884103
what the shit is this?

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>>78884201
Canadian electric Sasquatch version 1.

>>78872965
The fact that ehb going ultimate it makes the aliens go through forced evolution through combat was always the coolest shit to me

>>78884103
>>78884253
What's the GR stand for? What is this from?

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>>78883927
Adwaita he took over Ledgerdomain until Charmcaster overthrew him

>>78884367
Generator Rex

There was a crossover between the two shows

>>78884403
was that show good because honestly with the talking monkey it looked like shit

Alien Force is the best series if you can get last the retcons
>Ben is actually a likeable character and a logical progression of the first version
>The Omnitrix is actually awesome and doesn't have the bullshit gimmick of "it malfunctioned lel"
>Cool new aliens (Big Chill, Alien X, Spider Monkey
>good villains, can't go wrong with space nazis, also Albedo
>Kevin has cool powers and a cool car, he's also a decent character
>Gwen is no longer useless screaming "BEN!!", as long as you don't sperg out over MUH MAGIC shes vastly improved
>good overarching story blananced with the episodic nature of the OS, seasons have excellent pacing
It became shit when Mcduffie died though, that is to say all of UA is shit.

>>78884373
That's cool shit.
>>78884403
That's also cool shit. Knew about the crossover, didn't see any of it. Shocky looks horrid, FourArms looks pretty cool.

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>>78884474
>>78884485
Good shit man.

>>78884373
I was always curious.

Why does a planet of peaceful pacifists, to the point where they can't even comprehend the concept of a "jail," worship a magical tyrant of destruction?

(For reference, the turtle guy from the Aggregor episodes goes "Thank Adwaita" when he finds Ben.)

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>>78884007
They managed to make this piece of crap out of that piece of shit.

>>78884481
McDuffie didnt die until after UA though

>>78884551
Maybe he used magic to absorb all their evil or something.

>>78884513
>dat multi-forming
>post-mindwipe Six encourages him to do that, wodnering what the hell he's been teaching him
>pre-mindwipe Six would know exactly why he would never encourage him to do that

The crossover was pretty dam good.

>>78884607
Well then maybe his heart issues caused it to become shit. Because 90% of AF is really good (a few dud eps in there) but Ultimate Alien is garbage

I watched all of the original series and loved it, and watched like a season and a half of alien force, and still enjoyed it.
What else is worth watching?

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>>78884639

>>78884474
It was cool

>>78879562
Shut up, Jonah. Plastic Man is the bomb.

>>78884627
Would have had to have been eons ago if it's to the point where they can't even comprehend the idea of locking people up for anything.

Not only that, seems like a weird thing to do, and I can't really see any benefit to it for anybody involved.

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>>78880133
this guy gets it

>>78884474
It was suprisingly good. It was one of the shows that saved CN after the dark times of live action shows. The crossover with Generator Rex was really well animated and done

>>78872386
i loved his voice

>>78884955
I didn't mind Unusaul history and Tower Prep, but the shitty, fake, reality stuff was horrid. What were they thinking?

>>78884684
UA was gimmicky but I enjoyed the writing

>>78884694
just keep watching it until you get bored, personally I enjoyed everything up to Omniverse

>>78884998
They tried to go Nick's route of live action shows. I remember an anon who claimed he worked at CN answered a bunch of questions about that in a thread years ago. Not sure if it can be found but it had some interesting stuff in it.

>>78885094
That's almost fair, but Nick isn't called "Cartoon Network" and also they didn't have shows like that. Not that I recall anyways.

>>78885094
to be fair though, in a way I kinda respect CN for the whole ordeal. They were trying something new to keep things fresh. And when it didnt go overwell they went back with what they knew we wanted.

I would rather them try and fail than not try at all.

>>78885172
Oddly enough, it looked like Nick copied CN after that and made House of Anubis. It could have been in the works before but it really seemed to be piggybacking on the young adult mystery show, like Unusual History.

>>78885180
Fair enough. I think the Unusual history and TP were the only live action shows with any effort put into them. The two gameshows they made were pretty terrible and Incredible Crew and Level Up were the final nails in CN's live action coffin.

>>78871964

Show would have been great had it been created for general audiences rather than just children.
I really, really like the premise and general character design but the censorship and stupid plots really get to me.
And the dialogue is so simple it insults your intelligence.
One of those shows I remember for what it could have been rather than for what it was.

>>78889034

Oh, and uhh... Ghostfreak?

>>78874557
hm, do you know what a mule is?

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>>78878266

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>nobody choosing best alien/best girl
waymad

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>>78873465

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>>78878256
>ben 10 omniverse

>>78872010
design alone was fucking top tier
>feels of feet
>retractable eyeshield
>runner slender body

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>>78889310
I know, right? It's a travesty.

>>78876347
>googled waybig before they change the search algorithm
>always redirects you to a gay porn page
i cant imagine how kids felt back then

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Don't mind be, just posting best Gwen

Because I'm not a sick pedophile or into the whole 'loli gwen is best gwen for her attitude lol' meme

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>>78885488
Not even the best character.

>>78890662
Oh look its a predator

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>>78890545
>pedophile
Nice meme

>>78876637
Why didn't Ben turn into 10-year old versions of the aliens to begin with?

>>78891139
Because the omnitrix carried adult alien DNA

>>78891172
That's not how DNA works.

>>78891528
No, but that's how its a cartoon about space magic works.

>>78891139
it's implied the aliens age faster;
if that means they also die sooner- who knows?

we know that Incurseans have a short lifespan

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>>78890485
Looma should've won. This is factual.

>>78873566
>Alien with a face so ugly it can scare even gods and he supposedly has a defense mechanism towards things that cannot be affected like blind and emotionless ones
Which one is that?

>>78893670
toepick.