What is your favorite Ben 10 alien and why is it Heatblast?
i think there a episode where he transform in a bunch of aliens that dont have impressive abilities and the two galvans said that the omnitrix is actually full of alien like this, ben just got lucky unlocking the powerfull ones
I was waiting for the episode that Ben changes into some alien that can't do jackshit.
But since Alien Force happened, the omnitrix is a weapon so all the aliens that are catalogued are supposed to be useful for murdering with some power
>It's a Ben turns into one of his little gimmicky joke aliens to beat the bad guy instead of one of his cool aliens episode
Well the guy who created the omnitrix wanted it to be protected so maybe he programmed it with the stronest aliens?
OV was an abortion and ruined the franchise
>But since Alien Force happened, the omnitrix is a weapon so all the aliens that are catalogued are supposed to be useful for murdering with some power
No? Alien force made it a catalogue for species the high breed were wiping out
The ultimate in was a weapon but that was made by albedo
LET ME TELL YOU SOMEONE, OP. RATH IS BEST ALIEN IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. GIVE UP, OP. YOU CAN'T BEAT RATH
Ghostfreak is GOAT, this is a fact
That is exactly how I feel, Ghostfreak can be so freaking powerful, the fucker can literally go into your chest and sink his claws into your heart if he wanted to and why the fuck hasn't Ben used that chest beam yet?
Ghostfreak will always be my favorite even when big competitors like Toepick and Molestache have popped up over the years.
It has the DNA of a little over one million dominant alien species, I highly doubt that's every species in the Ben 10 universe, every species in the milky way and a select few from other galaxies as well perhaps.
Remember when Ben got a cold and it caused Heatblast to have freeze powers.
OFFICIAL ALIEN POWER RANKINGS
>Heatblast (Very first ever, and best, non-disputable)
>XLR8 (Sexy ass design, visor, horrible pun of a name)
mana was life energy that allowed manipulation
i mean yeah its kinda bullshit but i figure the other characters can also manipulate manna somehow
you forgot Diamondhead tho
>Alien with ghost powers that can be terrifyingly powerful when used right
>Alien that can control time
>Alien that can control reality
>Alien with a face so ugly it can scare even gods and he supposedly has a defense mechanism towards things that cannot be affected like blind and emotionless ones
>Alien that can enter and manipulate dreams
>Alien that is completely indestructible
>Alien that can manipulate atomic energy
>Aliens like Diamondhead and Feedback are OP when used right
>Has over a million more aliens that he has unlocked in the future with untold varieties in super powers
>Omnitrix literally cannot let Ben die
Is Ben the most OP character ever? Can he beat Batman even with prep time?
no he isnt
one thing I liked about Ben 10 is that they kept his powered limited. his omnitrix had glitches, timed out, the aliens each had limitations.
Also Ben himself was kinda retarded, his biggest limitation was himself
Ben was pretty good at working with what he got. If he got an alien that was ill suited to a situation he did his best to make it work.
Eh, he's great, but not amazing.
OS Omnitrix > AF Omnitrix > OV Omnitrix >>>>>>> Ultimatrix
>I was waiting for the episode that Ben changes into some alien that can't do jackshit.
Omniverse did it.
no hes right, they reference multiple galaxies. its the entire universe
at one point they went so far outside the universe that they found a completely different universe in the distance.
>Not just a cheap imitation of the original series (diamondback) like half of Alien Force's aliens
Seriously, it pissed me off how most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien in general was absolute shit.
> most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series.
you're right but don't forget Goop, Spidermonkey, and Alien X. All of those were as cool and unique as the original ones.
> Alien Force and Ultimate Alien in general was absolute shit.
No they aren't? The writing was actually pretty good and fleshed out the characters. The aliens weren't as original but the writing and characterization was well done.
If the alien didn't come from the original series, I don't care for them. Also I liked the omnitrix described as "a way of different races understanding one another" but I guess DNA archive works too I guess. I haven't watched omniverse. Diamondhead was one of my favorites, Upgrade is good too
It completely shit on the universe from the original series with a heaping of retcons, the art style was absolute shit with the incredibly bland alien designs, and the characters were about as deep as a puddle. Omniverse tried to salvage the series by reverting most of the retcons from those awful shows but their stain still remained.
what retcons? I hardly remember any at all and none were major.
>the art style was absolute shit
Not really, it was pretty much the same as the OS
> and the characters were about as deep as a puddle.
disagree, Ben 10 Alien Force has some of the most realistic teenagers I've ever seen
>Seriously, it pissed me off how most of the aliens in Alien Force were literally just a combination of two aliens from the original series
Don't know what you're on about
That was basically just Swampfire being Heatblast from S1 and wildvine from S2
What you should be mad about was that there wasn't a lot of alien diversity
Either the aliens shot out beams or they hit stuff with their fists for the most part
Omnitrix was designed as a weapon now
Kevin is redeemed an unfortunately becomes boring, no longer mutant
Gwen is now half alien and magic is explained through alien science
Forever knights go full retard
I think there were a few plumber changes too
> Omnitrix was designed as a weapon now
No it wasn't? In AF they specifically said it's Noah's ark more or less.
> Kevin is redeemed an unfortunately becomes boring, no longer mutant
That didnt really retcon anything, he was always just a kid with random powers. They just gave a reason for why he has powers. It didnt change anything.
> Gwen is now half alien and magic is explained through alien science
That was KINDA stupid but I liked the plotline with Gwen's grandmother and how Max fell in love with an alien woman during his old school Men in Black years. That was pretty dope in my opinion.
>Not really, it was pretty much the same as the OS
Are you fucking blind? The drop in quality in the animation alone was obvious. The alien designs compared to the OS was also a lot more generic.
>Swampfire is Heatblast + Wildvine
>Big Chill is Ghostfreak + Articguana
>Humongasaur is dinosaur Way Big
>Jet Ray is a flying XLR8
>Echo Echo is Ditto with sonic powers
>Chromastone is Diamondback with enery powers
>Brainstorm is crab Grey Matter
>Goop is Upgrade without the tech stuff
Don't even get me started with that retarded "shout the name of the alien he changes into" bullshit they started.
>I liked the plotline with Gwen's grandmother and how Max fell in love with an alien woman during his old school Men in Black years.
They had that in the original series. No idea why they completely forgot about her either.
In Secret of the Omnitrix Azmuth said it was a device to allow aliens to better understand one another. In Alien Force Azmuth said it was like an ark to preserve DNA in case some species went extinct. Shame the never used it to restore Cannonbolt's race. In Ultimate Alien it was show that he made it partly in the hopes his GF would come back after she got mad that he made a sword that ended up destroyed the Incursean's homeworld.
> Are you fucking blind?
I was referring mostly to the drawing style. And I think youre exaggerating, the animation never struck me as bad when I watched it.
> >Goop is Upgrade without the tech stuff
Eh not really. The tech thing was the main point of Upgrade. Goop was pretty different and his design was unique.
> Don't even get me started with that retarded "shout the name of the alien he changes into" bullshit they started.
One episode made fun of that. Ben was a retarded teenager and claimed it struck fear into the heart of his enemies, and it was played off as a joke.
They estbalished that in like the FIRST episode when Vilgax tried to steal it. It wasnt built as a weapon but with bad intentions it could be used as one.
No, it was in Alien Force. Gwen's grandmother met Max in the sixties when he was young and just becoming a plumber or whatever.
-magic is just energy and science
-Kevin is half alien instead of a mutant psycho
-Kevin is good (not a bad retcon desu)
-Gwen doesn't use spells, now she's a weaker green lantern (this was rectified in UA)
-Animo is a badass dimensional conqueror with an iron fist (like wtf)
-Oh wait he's a joke character again
-the plumbers have no presence on Earth but a bunch of teenagers (what happened to Ben's extended family from the wedding episode?)
-Gwen has a brother! (And he was never mentioned or seen again - this is also something OV should have addressed)
-Max had how many plumber partners? 4?
-Just, the Forever Knights. They used to be artifact collectors who would use force if money did not secure their quarry. Now they're xenophobic neo-crusaders and arms dealers who sell the very technology they are supposed to hoard... wat?
These are just off the top of my head. Note that many of these are explained away by Omniverse. THAT IS THE POINT. Omniverse had to retcon the retcons because UAF's retcons made no sense.
it was made on the cheap to look similar to the OS's style. Any time there is a crowd of the same alien species they're all copypasted. There are maybe 15 facial expressions total for each main character, significantly less for the secondaries.
OS Vilgax is still best Vilgax hands down. Same goes for Kevin
>One episode made fun of that. Ben was a retarded teenager and claimed it struck fear into the heart of his enemies, and it was played off as a joke
i remember that episode kevin and gwen stare at him after he do that again and say to alien "you have fear in your heart?"
He was referring to the other alien love interest. And I recall Azimuth calling it a weapon when he designed it in AF once but again that was handwaved away later
No, I was saying the OS had Max fall in love with an alien in his youth. She wasn't their GF, she was just an old flame apparently. She was basically the same role as the grandmother so no idea why they didn't just use her.
Also, if you payed attention to the animation at all you would have seen the drastic drop in quality. The original series actually had some damn good animation and some really nice alien designs. AF and UA is incredibly stiff in comparison.
I miss when Vilgax was actually threatening, the voice made like half of his presence.
> Kevin is half alien instead of a mutant psycho
He still goes psycho though during AF I believe, because he loses control. And like you said, making Kevin a good guy was cool and created more variation in the powers.
> -Gwen doesn't use spells, now she's a weaker green lantern (this was rectified in UA)
But Gwen still used spells. All they did was explain how the spells worked.
> -the plumbers have no presence on Earth but a bunch of teenagers (what happened to Ben's extended family from the wedding episode?)
Weren't there other plumbers in Belwood?
> -Gwen has a brother!
Not an important detail, changes nothing
> -Just, the Forever Knights. They used to be artifact collectors who would use force if money did not secure their quarry. Now they're xenophobic neo-crusaders and arms dealers who sell the very technology they are supposed to hoard... wat?
I would have to go back and rewatch that, but the forever knights were never my favorite villains to begin with
Vilgax yes, he was a legitimate threat. Thought space Cthulu Vilgax was interesting though.
As for Kevin, imo OV had the best design but didn't give him enough air time. That said, the random occasions when he would show up just to kick ass were pretty spectacular and the rooters arc was fantastic
yeah see it was hilarious, the thing about Ben 10 is that its very self aware and thats what makes it good. For example, I remember one episode featured Ben saying that live action is always better than animation.
Who was the other love interest? I still remember a lot of the lore but I forgot that character
Once you get tossed into space and can't win even when you team up with another villain it's time to call it quits.
Another thing that pissed me off about Alien Force, they basically took Kevin's moderately cool power and turned it into a palette swap. In the Original Series, when he absorbed an aliens power he actually had a wholly unique design. In AF and UA he just changed colors.
thats not true. At one point he absorbs the AF omnitrix and gets a whole new mutant design like he did in the OS. He only changed colors when he absord basic materials like metal. And even then he could still shapeshift it into hammers like the T-1000
Honestly I think they were working up to it. OV gave a lot of screentime to the 10k side of things, enough that, had there been no reboot, changing the 10k future again would have been unacceptable. IMO DJW's plan was to have the "galactic road trip" take place over the course of several years in-universe, bringing us one or two series away from a 10k series after its completion.
>originally an offshoot of the plumbers
>nah, they're an ancient order now
>now they were founded by Saint George too for some reason
I hated this bullshit. That, and the Forever King ended up being a bald old fucker under the massive power armor.
>That one faction that spent like hundreds of years trying to kill a dragon.
The original forever king was fine, then they killed him off for that old bastard.
Seriously, what the hell was up with that?
>Oh shit theres a planet full of those things? Awesome! Grab your guns boys
I wish there was an original series based around this power.
I'll never understand aversion to using magic in cartoons or movies *cough* MCU *Cough*
There are six books and seven movies, both incredibly successful that prove people LOVE magic.
Oh dont misunderstand me, I dont have an opinion on OV because i never watched it. AF/UA kind of made me drop the show. So what were the best new additions in OV? Perhaps one of the worst in AF was Alien X
Loved Cannonbolt. I remember how hype I was when Ben got him as a new alien because I thought he'd always just have his 10 aliens throughout the series.
I'll never forget that episode with Ben and Kevin breaking out together. When Kevin turned on Ben and taunted him saying he had all of his aliens, I was giddy when he transformed and showed him Cannonbolt and wrecked him with it.
but to be upgrade you have to absorb another piece of tech, whereas the omnitrix was already a part of him
however, he could have gone graymatter and figured out how to hack it, which they touched upon
How much easier would an Omnitrix make your life /co/?
>Use Grey Matter/Brainstorm for College Classes and Studying for Midterms.
>XLR8 to go across the country to buy authentic New York/Chicago Pizza. And fuck Hookers in seconds.
>Cannonbolt for digging.
>Heatblast during the snowy months to piss everyone off .
>Swampfire to generate shitloads of methane and manure for cows because why the fuck not.
>GhostFreak to traumatize little children during Halloween.
>WayBig to make the world loose it's shit and give Japan the greatest hard-on.
>Ditto just to see how much shittier he is compared to Echo Echo
>Echo Echo to create duplicates of my human form and experiment.
>Jetray to race around the earth.
>Big Chill to cool my drinks.
>Humongosaur for my younger cousins during Birthday parties.
>Upgrade to permanently alter my old-ass tech and resell it for a fortune.
>Clockwork to see the future and learn what the Powerball numbers are (1.3 Billion so far holy shit)
>Four Arms to create a /fit/ video.
>Alien-X when I'm self-loathing to the point where I'd listen to Multiple Personality Bullshit.
He tried something like that during Omniverse
He also had Grey Matter hack another omnitrix in that arc
How did the Omnitrix work with species that had a decent amount of diversity? Could you theoretically have different specimens in a single species stored in the Omnitrix if there were a reason to?
>use clockwork to steal tech from 6 years in future
>go back, use upgrade or uprigg to make it more advanced
this was explained
the omnitrix randomizes some parts of the DNA. I know this because at one point they found some prototype omnitrix that could only do one alien at a time, and it scanned Gwen's DNA. Then it produced another human. So I guess it keeps the majority the same but shifts some other traits around.
Not really, the watch was still fully functional and acted just about the same whenever he transformed as it was when he was just Ben
It's a valid point as to why he didn't just go into the Omnitrix and upgrade it to not have to time out or anything like that
That's the thing. If Ben had a brain he could use Grey Matter to unlock the Master Control.
Even if he's bonded to it during a transformation his enhanced intelligence should allow him to understand how the Omnitrix functions.
It's just plot which stops Ben from being fully competent. If he were and plot wasn't an issue then:
>Ben immediately turns into Grey Matter or Brainstorm
>Eventually unlocks the Master Control function.
>Immediately turns into Alien-X
>Tricks Bellicus and Selene into giving him full control like in OV.
>Turns into Echo Echo
>Does that Duplicate thing into Multiple Grey Matters and Brainstorms
>Now has multiple fucking Omnitrix templates to work with.
>Creates the fusion function years ahead of time.
>Also adds back the Ultimate Form Function.
No, the Omnitrix is only programed to hold one sample from a species.
For example, if Ben was the chosen sample for human, then an Alien with the Omnitrix would turn into Ben.
It's why Albedo turned into Ben even though there are 7 Billion humans on the planet.
...so did one of these things retcon the other? I'm really behind on my Ben 10 lore, I dropped off at some point really far into the teenage stuff and didn't even hear about Omniverse's existence until recently.
>That's the thing. If Ben had a brain he could use Grey Matter to unlock the Master Control.
Isn't that what his kid did?
Well, >>78878598 is referring to the Unitrix - the prototype Omnitrix which sampled DNA and randomized it.
The Omnitrix itself does not. It can fuse multiple DNA samples but it can't randomize what's already there.
I.E. Ben can scan a new life form, but the Omnitrix will keep their specific DNA sequence. If the OMnitrix encounters a new sequence from the same species, it deletes it IIRC.
This is the reason why
Ghostfreak broke out of the Omnitrix DNA bank, as it's consciousness was unique too it's specific DNA.
both work, Ben 10 has very deep lore and it is muddled with bull shit. Better question is why didn't Ben think of the Fusion function til he was 45. He could literally just use two and it would have the same effect, and it would have no ill effects on him.
You like comics? OV is like that Morrison or Johns run that folds in all that came before and extends it. It doesn't throw out uaf, it just takes the good ideas like Argit, Multiversal Travel, The Space travel, aliens, ultimates, most bad guys etc and remakes them into better wholes. The art direction is legendary, every thing from food to tech to aliens to extras is drawn with lush creative detail, lore is expanded on from all corners, The os, af,ua, videogames, toylines, trading carss and behind the scenes factoids.
It's in general just a really amazing show,
To be warned it peteres out around the end, but still a great work of art.
>That's the thing. If Ben had a brain
>No, the Omnitrix is only programed to hold one sample from a species.
>For example, if Ben was the chosen sample for human, then an Alien with the Omnitrix would turn into Ben.
It samples one member, but it can randomize the DNA if told to. Like Ben did with the Highbreed. And that prototype, the Unitrix, was made to randomize the DNA too iirc
>It's why Albedo turned into Ben even though there are 7 Billion humans on the planet.
I assume Albedo turned into Ben because of the Omnitrix backfire
Always thought Ben 10 was total shit
Really shallow characters, was never that creative with the aliens or their powers, the man bad guy Vilgax was just a generic alien overlord type guy, no real memorable villains whatsoever, most of the concepts for everything were just derivative of comics or cartoons rehashed in an unoriginal way like the "Plumbers" and their pocket dimension prison shit, or those knights templar people who were the least intimidating secret society ever portrayed on TV.
It's a shame Ben 10 took off with because of merchandising while Megas XLR fizzled out.
To be fair, the entire premise of the show was originally supposed to be an animated adaptation of Dial H for Hero.
There's REALLY early concept art out in the internet which shows Ben's original forms being straight up Superhero pastiches.
It was scraped in favor of Aliens to add a new aesthetic to the series.
So yeah, Ben was originally supposed to be Robby Reed.
Seriously, look at Pic Related and tell me Ben isn't reminiscent of that.
There were two different races of the Upchuck species who looked slightly different and Ben could turn into both
the connections to Dial H For Hero are flimsy at best
the only similarity is that the two have a dial instilled with powers. That ignores ALLL of the sci-fi lore present in Ben 10.
well actually the omnitrix sorta sampled ben as the base form, so when Albedo found the blueprints, he turned into ben instead of himself when he turned back from testing it. Also judging his appearance in OV which takes place 6 months after UA, Albedo demonstrates that being in a form that isn't really you will cause the form to slowly waste away. Demonstrated by his far more messing appearance and bags under his eyes.
to put it into perspective, Imagine Bruce Wayne putting on the Batman after putting on a disguise. Than imagine him taking off the bat suit, and staying dressed up as someone else. He isn't Bruce Wayne until he takes off the disguise.
My point was that the show was literally supposed to be Dial H for Hero.
They later scraped the idea and created the Alien/Future aesthetic instead while retaining the core idea.
The idea of a boy who could turn into a shitton of superpowered beings.
Nobody liked the general Art Style in Omniverse.
It would've been GOAT if the Art Style was like the OS or UAF
Pi Fuking Related.
I just like the original series because it had some good animation and alien design. Everything else, while not quite good, wasn't exactly bad either. Everything afterwards not counting OV was complete shit though.
>GOAT art style
you disgust me
If it had the OS design or even slightly modified AF designs, it would not have been so bad
I don't really like the waifufags, but the show was begging for it. They literally had an episode of Ben being on a game show where every girl he knew had to compete for his love
i liked the art style in UAF because it was more simple and realistic. Ben 10 wasn't a saturday morning cartoon, it was an animated series telling a continuous story that could have been live action. OV ruined that.
>over 200 posts and no mention of the real best alien
EYE think you are all BLIND when it comes to cool aliens
Only thing I really disliked about Ultimate Alien was...well, the Ultimate Alien thing. It just seemed like an "I win" button most of the time.
I liked what Omniverse did and made it a feature exclusive to Albedo, forcing Ben to have to be more creative and just better with the Omnitrix than Albedo.
I can't finish this show. I stopped on episode 7 of season 4 and I have no motivation to pick it back up. The characters just can't be liked anymore, season 4 has just been a chore
They tried to make it live action. It was shit. It seemed like it could be a blockbuster in the sense it was about as generic and memorable as every other action movie blockbuster.
>I assume Albedo turned into Ben because of the Omnitrix backfire
IIRC, Albedo's omnitrix was linked to Ben's, and Ben's DNA was stored in the Omnitrix as the "default" to shift back to when it timed out.
So when Albedo timed out, it set him back to the default form, which was Ben.
thats not fair, Im pretty sure the live action movie was literally the first live action anything ever made by cartoon network. Ben 10 hasn't been given its fair shot
honestly >>78880579 if you hate the show why are you in this thread
Not everything needs to be Live Action. I would prefer top of the line CG to live action.
You're right when you say that the tone of the series could've been more mature and serious, leading to a more bombastic and grand tone. But it's still a creation of CN and they'd never let that happen.
At least while Snyder was still president. The new chick, maybe, but I doubt it.
> Not everything needs to be Live Action. I would prefer top of the line CG to live action.
I would like a theatrical movie to be live action. An actual show? No way, theres no budget for that unless its HBO.
> You're right when you say that the tone of the series could've been more mature and serious, leading to a more bombastic and grand tone. But it's still a creation of CN and they'd never let that happen.
thats the thing with CN nowadays. Theyre too dedicated to making saturday morning cartoons. I miss Ben 10 and Justice League because they were like actual shows.
No im not
You're right that there's some shitty writing in there. But just keep in mind a film is only 2 hours long. A source material as vast and creative and Ben 10 could definitely be edited down to an awesome 2 hour, sci-fi blockbuster. There's no doubt in my mind about it.
Ben 10's source material isn't all that special, it's like 90% visual at best and even then that was only with the original series. OS had the appeal of awesome alien design, Omniverse had a lot fun deconstructions, UAF had nothing. There are far better choices out there for sci-fi film adaptions.
Seven books and eight movies?
Either way, it's usually due to the whole
>"how does magic work, though?"
>"uh, by magic?"
>"what a shit answer"
So they handwave it away with Cosmic Energy or some shit. It has little need for explanation when aliens have their powers just cuz. I wonder if any non-human, non-magic-aliens used magic. Like alien Charmcasters or something.
I think Ben 10 could be like sci-fi Harry Potter. It has more creative ideas and imo the characters are more interesting like Grandpa max. There are a lot of parallels between the two, like for example both show a character aging from ten to adulthood, he has two superpowered friends, they save the world, but with Ben 10 its sci fi not magic.
> There are far better choices out there for sci-fi film adaptions.
Well, it kinda depends. For family oriented sci-fi I can't think of any better choices. Are there some more serious sci-fi that deserves adaptations? Probably. But as far as entertainment that anyone can enjoy, I think Ben could be great if adapted for film.
thats bad logic. just because one movie did it bad doesnt mean it cant be done well. even James Bond started out as a shitty TV special before the actual movies began.
>UAF had nothing.
Poor quality b8, mate.
1. It was far less than 2 hours. If they'd done 2 or more the movie would've been better
2. It was M. Night Shyamalan. He's never produced anything of quality.
one of the original 10 barely saw any play why is Ripjaws suffering?.. still my favorite
It makes you wonder why they even had a land form. Maybe it rained constantly, or they evolved to be on land after being technologically adept enough to have some sort of surface-breather.
Their world has no land mass at all. It's almost entirely water. The only thing holding it together was a piece of technology. When Aggregor stole it the water of the planet just started floating off into space.
I never finished Omniverse, I quit watching it for some reason after Ben reset the Universe (or after he stopped Attea and her Waybads, whichever is more recent). Should I bother finishing it?
Is it possible to upgrade the omnitrix?
Upgrade is da best
If anything, GreyMatter to understand how to make one, at least a basic, simple one. Upgrade that shit Omnitrix so it's a basic Omnitrix, then switch them, Upgrade the First one, get full use of the original (which is for the best, since the shit one will be shit)
Full genetic control of powerful alien DNA. Also no timeout, no glitches, instant transformation between aliens, and yeah probably fusions.
>Albedo explains smacking the omnitrix forces it to randomize
>Ben still smacks the omnitrix
>Master Control is a thing
Now with that out the way. I liked yellow tank ball and canadian electric Sasquatch. Rath was also fucking awesome.
>tfw no FanFic showing Ben and Albedo as GenderBent Lesbian Lovers.
Somebody write it.
I'm unnaware of who that is. Lost track of the show after UA/AF, trying to find the time for Omni.
also holy shit this won a Draw Your Own Alien design.
Canadian electric Sasquatch version 1.
Adwaita he took over Ledgerdomain until Charmcaster overthrew him
Alien Force is the best series if you can get last the retcons
>Ben is actually a likeable character and a logical progression of the first version
>The Omnitrix is actually awesome and doesn't have the bullshit gimmick of "it malfunctioned lel"
>Cool new aliens (Big Chill, Alien X, Spider Monkey
>good villains, can't go wrong with space nazis, also Albedo
>Kevin has cool powers and a cool car, he's also a decent character
>Gwen is no longer useless screaming "BEN!!", as long as you don't sperg out over MUH MAGIC shes vastly improved
>good overarching story blananced with the episodic nature of the OS, seasons have excellent pacing
It became shit when Mcduffie died though, that is to say all of UA is shit.
I was always curious.
Why does a planet of peaceful pacifists, to the point where they can't even comprehend the concept of a "jail," worship a magical tyrant of destruction?
(For reference, the turtle guy from the Aggregor episodes goes "Thank Adwaita" when he finds Ben.)
They managed to make this piece of crap out of that piece of shit.
post-mindwipeSix encourages him to do that, wodnering what the hell he's been teaching him
pre-mindwipeSix would know exactly why he would never encourage him to do that
The crossover was pretty dam good.
Would have had to have been eons ago if it's to the point where they can't even comprehend the idea of locking people up for anything.
Not only that, seems like a weird thing to do, and I can't really see any benefit to it for anybody involved.
They tried to go Nick's route of live action shows. I remember an anon who claimed he worked at CN answered a bunch of questions about that in a thread years ago. Not sure if it can be found but it had some interesting stuff in it.
to be fair though, in a way I kinda respect CN for the whole ordeal. They were trying something new to keep things fresh. And when it didnt go overwell they went back with what they knew we wanted.
I would rather them try and fail than not try at all.
Oddly enough, it looked like Nick copied CN after that and made House of Anubis. It could have been in the works before but it really seemed to be piggybacking on the young adult mystery show, like Unusual History.
Fair enough. I think the Unusual history and TP were the only live action shows with any effort put into them. The two gameshows they made were pretty terrible and Incredible Crew and Level Up were the final nails in CN's live action coffin.
Show would have been great had it been created for general audiences rather than just children.
I really, really like the premise and general character design but the censorship and stupid plots really get to me.
And the dialogue is so simple it insults your intelligence.
One of those shows I remember for what it could have been rather than for what it was.
Don't mind be, just posting best Gwen
Because I'm not a sick pedophile or into the whole 'loli gwen is best gwen for her attitude lol' meme
Not even the best character.
Looma should've won. This is factual.
>Alien with a face so ugly it can scare even gods and he supposedly has a defense mechanism towards things that cannot be affected like blind and emotionless ones
Which one is that?
My fucking god, the design of the aliens on that crossover with Generator Rex is so fucking beautiful.
>Fuck hookers in seconds
wont the friction cause such heat that both of you hurt yourselves?
Im assuming that the females of XLR8s species have some kind of organ that cools off the insides of their vagina when having sex to prevent themselves from literally getting burns.
furthermore, i dont think their dicks have this cooling thing.
if you fuck a human in superspeed, you will literally rip off their insides of whatever hole you're using.
Man of Action didn't have it to begin with.
They designed the show but they were never in charge of the OS. It's like Bryke.
The new show will be the first time they ever actually ran the show
>So many cute/sexy alien girls
>Fags just wanna fap to gwen
she's native american
and I got very quickly very annoyed with all this harem-bullshit
if I want shit like that I watch Anime
also: if the only rememerable thing about a show is its 'waifus' and attracts all those waifu-fags then the show in itself seems to be a pretty shit show
Either way, he took a furry over either of the princesses, and that rubbery girl he was probably fucking.
>if the only rememerable thing about a show is its 'waifus' and attracts all those waifu-fags then the show in itself seems to be a pretty shit show
Waifus were only part of what made it good.
>that says a lot about its writing and plot and only confirms how shitty Omniverse was
Stop samefagging. Omniverse was the best thing of the franchine besides the OS. The fact that you judge a show using 4chan waifufags as a base shows that you dont know shit about what you are talking about. 4chan doesnt talk about good shit, 4chan likes to complain about bad shit.
This anon is right - >>78879091
>You like comics? OV is like that Morrison or Johns run that folds in all that came before and extends it. It doesn't throw out uaf, it just takes the good ideas like Argit, Multiversal Travel, The Space travel, aliens, ultimates, most bad guys etc and remakes them into better wholes. The art direction is legendary, every thing from food to tech to aliens to extras is drawn with lush creative detail, lore is expanded on from all corners, The os, af,ua, videogames, toylines, trading carss and behind the scenes factoids.
Huh, i always got the impression that /co/ hated Ben 10 in the same way /a/ hates Naruto, guess not
No the best part was AF season 1. The highbreed were perfect and a credible threat. Ben was at his best character wise. It seemed like he really matured as a character and his skill with the omnitrix was topnotch. His fights with Albedo and Darkstar were great. After the first season the show became terrible.
>Ben was at his best character wise. It seemed like he really matured as a character
>Not having a personalitty
Yes. I got the closure I wanted. Shame there were a few aliens that didn't get their dues in Omniverse.
What are you memeing about? Ben did have a personality he was a true hero that loved smoothies not some arrogant asshole that fucked over his friends and families yet recieved no flak and was praises for his shitty actions
Totally understandable though. He's a busy young man, saving the universe and shit. I doubt many people argued. Besides Ben 10k is a genius so we know it works out.
Sure, it makes him a bad role model, but he was never a good role model to begin with.
It was the most boring version of Ben.
Dude basically didnt have a personalitty.
Just "generic hero 4#", bland as fuck, and all the other versions tried to damage control that.
At least Jetray and Chamalien had new waifu characters who were based on their species.
And Chromastone saved the day in the last episode.
I think the only one completely fucked over was that other speedster whose name I cant be bothered to remember
Chromastone's fucking job is to save the day in finales.
>Vilgax shows up with a new powerset
>Ben tries to fight him as waybig, turns into chromastone because watch knows
>Chromastone gets rekt, BUT turns into diamondhead who then rekts Vilgax
>Vilgax absorbs Diagon
>Ultimate waybig can't do shit
>oh wait Vilgax is now pure energy
>guess what Chromastone can absorb?
>Maltruant's about to blow up the universe before it begins
>Sealed the modified anihilaarg behind an impenetrable energy shield
Chromastone is only good at pulling the clutch
Also his name was Fasttrack you casual.
My name is Ben. I was 10 when it came out. (It was 2006 right?)
>Upgrade was my favourite then
>Upgrade is my favourite now
good to see people like Gwen in those clothes.
Seriously? Ov ruined Ben 10? After the shit fest that was everything after the original?
If anything it was the only decent thing to come since the last episode of the first run.