Do I hate Mabel? No, not really. Do I hate how she is placed as falliable moral centre that gets to criticize anyone and give advices and is never wrong despite some really dumb and immoral shit she pulls? Absolutely. Do I think Hirsch is a hack who can't handle a character arc unless it's semi-autobiographical? Without a doubt.
Yeah, I hate her but I hate Hirsch and the writers more. Consider that Mabel spent the whole series craving cock and offering herself to any boy or man who came near her regardless of age, race or social status. This is aparently okay. But when Dipper casually flirted with random girls that one single time it turned out to be a worse crime than Hiroshima and Nanking put together. The whole series has a severe anti-male bias.
And to make it worse it didn't start out that way but somewhere down the line it all turned to shit.
Mabel is a poorly written character. She's one-dimensional, and seems to get even flatter as the story goes by. Her entire purpose of existence is delivering random humour, which isn't really that bad, but it means she can't develop apparently. Since nobody wants to develop, she can't be challenged and face hardship - even her bad luck with boys doesn't seem to be linked with a character flaw to overcome.
She is never wrong and even when she seems like she's making sacrifice or being a butt of joke story almost always swerve to make her come on top. Like in Sock Opera where a boy who wouldn't want her because she doesn't respect his passion is outed as a weirdo or in Love God in which her arbitrary pairing seems to work perfectly and only problem is that other teens would not accept it.
Whenever Dipper's feeling come in conflict with hers she always wins and though it might sometimes be for the better of Dipper his needs or feeling don't seem to enter the equasion.
To make matters worse Dipper's feelings are as strong and real as they can be for a 13 year old boy. His crush on Wendy was his emotional focalpoint. Mabel didn't have that. She was after boys, any boy would do. There was no sincerity in it except a vague desire to have a summer romance "just because." And consider that when Dipper went out to flirt he did it to get over Wendy, and he got shat on for doing so. That spells out trauma and future issues. And then Mabel essentially forces him into trying on Candy for size, despite him showing zero interest - and again him being shown as a villain when he didn't accept the advances.
There's some serious mindfuckery going on there and Mabel is actually terrifying and manipulative to the highest degree. Iron hand in a soft glove.
>>78869998 basically she never grow as a character and never get shit on for everytime she make a mistake because shes so ''pure and perfect'' while dipper keep sacrifing himself for her and get treated like worst than hitler when he does mistakes half as bad as her.
>>78871954 Caps lock just makes you look like a screaming idiot. You have to be totally delusional to think that she knew about the apocalypse. Your spin is just projection on stuff that isn't in the show.
You want to be mad at her and you find nonreasons for it. I just don't lnow why.
>>78871722 The difference is, Stan actually grew as a character. Yeah, he's a complete as hole and almost cartoonishly evil, but that's only one side of him. In the end, he cares for his family more than anything, and is more than willing to change for them. Stan is nowhere near the same character from episode one, wheras the same cannot be said for Mabel.
>>78873932 It's partially everyone's fault. Stan for rebuilding the portal and recklessly opening it to bring back Ford. Ford for building the portal in the first place, not destroying his journals when he had the chance, and telling Dipper not to tell anyone else about the rift globe. Dipper for not telling anyone else about the rift globe, leaving it behind in his backpack, and trying to skip adolescence by choosing an apprenticeship without consulting anyone else first. Mabel for trying to prolong summer so she doesn't have to face the scary unknown future alone, giving Blendin the globe in exchange for this, and trusting a morally-ambiguous stranger instead of her brother again. No one person is solely to blame for letting Bill through, but Mabel gets the brunt of it because she's the final domino in this chain, Bill gave her the reward she was promised in the form of Mabelland, and it seems like Dipper gave up his dream again for Mabel's sake.
Dipper still needed to give up that apprenticeship, but it shouldn't have felt like Mabel was guilt-tripping him into doing so.
>>78884096 Gonna play devil's avocado for a sec and say that the temptations and 'atmosphere' within the prison bubble were specifically designed to entrap Mabel and, to an extent, anyone else who managed to wander in. Under normal circumstances Mabel would never replace her brother with an idealized duplicate, but within Mabeland she played both prisoner and warden, trapped within her own monkey's paw delusional wish and exaggerating her personality to its extremes.
Everything within the bubble was designed to instantly gratify Mabel. Dipper snapping her back to reality was the keystone that would let them return freely.
>>78885388 I never said it doesn't, but the memories that were presented at the trail were specifically skewed into keeping her there. She got laughed at during picture day and watched Dipper run off in shame after receiving no valentines. Both actually had better endings in reality, but were shown to show why reality isn't worth living in and the instant gratification the bubble offered was far more preferable.
By that point Mabel was practically an agent of Bill Cipher herself, and she didn't even realize it. She knew she could end it and return to reality, but to her the paradise offered there was infinitely more preferable than facing reality outside again. That's why Dipper had his work cut out for him to free her.
Is she responsible? Yes. Should she have apologized without forcing Dipper to give up the apprenticeship? Absolutely. Would Dipper have done the same thing if he had been the one trapped in a prison bubble instead? I'd certainly bet on it.
>Would Dipper have done the same thing if he had been the one trapped in a prison bubble instead? I'd certainly bet on it.
Dipper already learned this lesson over and over again, he already had his character arc.
Meanwhile Mabel is the exact same fucking character she was in episode 1 of season 1, she hasn't progressed an inch. The most she has ever learned in any episode amounts to trite horseshit like "I guess nerd shit isn't all bad"
>>78885695 I'm not biased towards Mabel, anon. She fucked up, and her lack of thinking is exactly what Bill needed to cause weirdmageddon. She's forgotten lessons learned multiple times throughout the series, and lessons Dipper eventually realized Mabel should've learned instead. She's easily got an all take and no give sibling relationship with her brother, and forcing Dipper to back down on his dreams in favor of appeasing her in order to release her was a cop-out.
>>78885657 >>78885695 >>78885756 >>78885791 The point I'm trying to make there is that the bubble was designed to trap Mabel specifically, and what she thought Dipper wanted wasn't what he actually wanted, which is why the Wendy snare didn't work. The hypothetical bubble I'm talking about would give Dipper lots of friends, nobody would pick on him, his accomplishments would give him recognition, and he'd have a version of Mabel and Stan who would be an idealized sister and grunkle to him. Something he would have subconsciously wanted all summer, specifically geared to appeal to him. Dipper wants to grow up too fast, Mabel doesn't want to grow up at all. Both are unhealthy mentalities to have.
>>78885947 >The point I'm trying to make No, that wasn't the point you made that every one of those responded to, and your only backtracking because you got BTFO
>Dipper wants to grow up too fast, Mabel doesn't want to grow up at all. Both are unhealthy mentalities to have. >tu quoque And now you are just trying to slander Dipper when you realize Mabel has nothing
>>78885947 Dipper might have a desire to be mature but that's not really unhealthy, i would say it's the opposite. So he wants some independence and to fit in with the older kids, that's normal and better than the opposite.
>>78886062 It is, but jumping to an apprenticeship while abandoning everything else at 13 years old is not. People that do stuff like this consult with their parents, advisers, friends, etc before making a huge judgement call like this. He didn't do any of that, assured by Ford that he'd take care of it instead. He's already learned not to try and grow up too fast before, and he relies on Mabel for emotional support just as much as she relies on him for rational support.
>>78886341 All that relies entirely on assumption, which was stupid writing on their part to make Dipper say that's how bad his life would be, though it can and should be chalked up to him just saying it would be shit to have Mabel easier accept that she once again had him give up on something else
>>78886370 It honestly seems like Ford is projecting his own issues with Stan onto Dipper and Mabel, and is assuming that Dipper is experiencing the same things he did when he was a kid and wants to be rid of Mabel. Thus he's giving Dipper the same situation he had when he was 18 and is handwaving any potential issues that may arise to encourage Dipper to take the path he wished he had taken. This is the guy who built the portal partially for the recognition, and partially to impress girls. He's not exactly the best person to raise Dipper alone through his teenage years.
>>78886683 Again that's rather presumptuous, it relies entirely on the belief of many factors we dont know how would play out. Like Ford wanting to raise Dipper like that in the first place and Dipper just going along with it and never resisting or even changing Ford's mindset.. We dont know what it would be like with such complimenting yet also conflicting personalities.
>Weirdmageddon doesn't fucking start by Bill having an elaborate way of tricking the family into releasing it, no he gets it by Mabel being a whiny baby for the fucking 10th time in these two seasons >Then she gets to fucking put in a bubble of delusion and refuse to grow up as a person and take responsibility for what's she has done >Then Dipper decides to completely abandon all of the growing he's done as a person throughout the show just so he can tie himself down to his whiny crybaby sister Now the finale is going to be a long drawn out disappointment of a finale
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