>>78846058 Way too few human characters have been shown. I get that Beach City is a really small town, but there should be more than 15 people. I don't need everyone's backstory. I just want the setting to feel real.
>>78847597 >Also, too many lesbians. I think it's too much shipping fuel. I can handle it when they're an actual couple: >Ruby and Sapphire >Connie and Steven >Greg and Rose >Pearl longing for Rose
But then you get the crew purposely throwing bones to horny fans just for the cutesy fanart like: >Peri and Garnet >Garnet and Pearl >Peri and Amythyst And it's just comes across as annoying that every character will eventually succumb to a crush or love-based relationship of some kind. It gets annoying. But I guess that is what happens when you base a very integral part of Gem lore around erotic dancing; even enemies like Lapis and Jasper will be perceived as an abuse relationship because they had to dance to be together.
No one can just be pure enemies in this world, at some point, they're going to do some cutesy fusion dance that makes people squeal. Not even rivals like Pearl and Amy can just stay rivals.
The story seems to be lazy and paced horribly, they throw things almost always expected out of left field and try to make fans seem like it was a shocker and the fanbase's shipping obsession is borderline disgusting.
Outside of that, the animation seems to be too choppy in high detail scenes and the way that the characters seem to react to the world around them seems insanely scripted and lacks genuine feeling. Dunno if this is the show's fault or the VA's fault, especially Candy and Mabel. I love Kristen, but I grew insanely bored of her Mabel by the time Soos and the Real girl came out
>>78847236 Greg was fucking awful and the biggest argument against it is 'muh realistic child'. You people have never met a child before. I've worked with retarded kids before and they were less annoying.
>>78848991 The emotional moments also don't hit when you try to have only 4 minutes exposition and 4 minutes buildup to them.
And all this emotional development, what's going to happen when things get truly dire? The characters will have no more room to evolve. Usually the character progress happens as the plot also happens. Juxtaposition, unification of theme, et cetera. They're not doing anything but character development. There's about a dozen "plot" episodes total.
>>78849035 The scifi misadventures are great. The family portions are fucking horrendous.
Nobody cares about Jerry's parent's kinky sex life. Or Summer's boyfriend. Nobody cares about Jerry and Beth's repeatedly failing marriage. Or Beth feeling insecure and taking it out on a dying deer. Nobody gives a shit about Jerry trying to be pals with his daughter just to ask her for money.
People DO care about the Meseeks unable to help Jerry because he's so pathetic. Or an alien parasite taking over the whole house and controlling memories. Or the family dog gaining intelligence and imprisoning the family. When the show mashes the average with sci-fi misadventure, it's great. Otherwise it's horrible.
Sometimes the humor is too meta and too "random warbly made-up improv words" which get really boring. You can only hear the joke about Rick talking about the integrity of serious space creatures like the Blorble Partafart and how they're dying of Gumgo pivelteen before it's like I get it, it's fucking made-up bullshit.
That's why I feel like I will grow out of Rick and Morty down the road. Eventually it's humor will stop being funny to me because every episode is like it.
Still, it's pretty ambitious when it wants to be. The episode where the screen split like 80 times? Amazing.
>>78848649 You can't blame Hirsch for the fans, every show with child characters is going to bring the sickos out of the woodworks. I think the episode where they straight up go to the future made the conspiracy seem like not a big deal any more.
Scooby Doo Mystery Inc has a really slow beginning. You have to drag yourself through the cringe that is everything that has to do with Velma, Shaggy and Scooby. They seemed to set up "Velma betrays the team" pretty heavily in the second season constantly contrasting her genuine desire to solve mysteries and everyone's incompetence but it doesn't go anywhere. Daphne fails to become any more of a character in this show than its past incarnations. The only thing it really added was that she has an inferiority complex in comparison to her sisters but other than that she's still just a pretty girl who has a crush on Fred.
>>78848700 Rick and Morty only broke status quo once and after it everything was virtually identical. The season 2 finale suggests that Earth is part of the galactic empire whatever, so that could be interesting, unless Rick retcons it, but I really want Beth and Jerry to finally fucking divorce.
>>78845693 I'm gonna choose my current favorite show, Gravity Falls. I really loved it, especially when the ball started moving, when Stan's actions started to pick up, when Bill and Ford were introduced. It's funny, I like the voice acting, I can go on about the good but I feel like the second half was rushed, they fucked up some possible character arches because of it, and it kind of made the show wasted potential.
>>78850054 Did you know POPULAR things get POPULAR because A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH THEM?
Nobody is criticizing Clarence or Penn Zero because not a lot of people on /co/ really watch or discuss it to care.
Just be happy we've been able to talk about Rick and Morty, Steven, and GF in the same thread without it turning into a shitfest. This is pretty damn tame for a "Criticize ____" thread which is just begging for baiting.
>>78849662 I think it was supposed to be the afterlife. That's why things are so old-fashioned and there's stuff like the town full of skeletons. When Wirt and Greg fall into the river they either died for little bit or had some sort of near-death experience. I'm not sure though.
not my favourite show but im not a fan of WBB. as mentioned already the writing feels lazy. it's at times cringe-y and seems to rely on cliches like in animes. the cutesy parts especially make me cringe. i think there was an episode about how panda's sneeze was so cute and he wasn't into it. that was the entire fucking episode. at that episode i knew that i couldnt continue watching this show. i genuinely hope it gets canceled soon
>>78850452 Nothing is stopping you from Joining us in back and forth anon except you. Post YOUR favorite show and ill rip it a new one. I already stated I loved avatar watched the whole thing 3 times. doesn't mean i can't hate on it.
>>78850735 It was depressing, but in a way I enjoyed how they cleverly made it happen. It didn't feel hamfisted. I could logically believe after they saw their alternate friends and families perish they would never want to see these weird versions ever again.
I definitely agree with you on the Heart of the Jaguar. That was cringey as fuck.
>>78850693 >Clarence has extremely mediocre characters. They are interesting, but don't really have much going for them outside of the fact that they are kids, which to be fair is the point of the show. Everyone outside of Sumo and Jeff and maaaaaybe the teacher are extremely bland personality wise, and even then.
>>78850452 I tried to think of stuff for older shows that aren't on anymore, but a combination of nostalgia and not really remembering much outside of a few episodes, they seem flawless to me even though I know they aren't. I can't think of a single criticism I have about Samurai Jack or Dexter's Lab because I haven't really watched them that much since I was a child.
Here's one I guess >KND had a kind of awkward artstyle and animation.
>>78851040 I can see what you mean. Never thought of it like that. I just think they look too similar to some of CN's other show's. I guess since everything else in OTGW is so beautiful, we expect the characters to be just as beautiful. But we forget it's still a goddamn cartoon.
Does Homestar Runner/Strong Bad Email count? Because I think generally that's my favorite cartoon.
Anyway, for Strong Bad Emails,
- It felt like eventually it started to become formulaic. They pick a topic, Strong Bad satires it. A lot of the mid-run Emails were more character based and surreal, while later emails were just straight social satire.
- It got WAY too self referential and "pandering" at the end. Like they kept sticking in references and callbacks for the Homestar Wiki, and then that ended up becoming a replacement for jokes. "Look! It's Onion Bubs! Look! It's Count Longardeaux! It's Lem Sportsinterviews!" isn't a joke. This made it REALLY hard for me to get a friend into the show because it required prior knowledge of all these jokes in order to find the email funny.
- Why would Strong Bad willingly destroy the Lappy like that out of absolutely nowhere?
For Homestar Runner in general, Marzipan is a genuinely shitty character in an otherwise perfect cast. She's irritating, unlikable and, most damningly, not funny.
>>78848649 The second half of season 2 is probably the only thing that truly irks me. Any other issues is pretty minor. I will say that the show tries too hard to be a drama/action show but it doesn't really have the writing/animating chops for it. Personally, i think of the show is better as a comedy.
>>78848736 No, the biggest complaint is that it can get really, really nihilistic about modern, out of world society sometimes. Although I think it's calmed down on that. That one joke of Anais complaining about lack of freedom during the Snuzzletag ep was so jarring.
I know it's been mentioned before but I'm starting to see what people have been saying about there being too much drama, although this may be hard to avoid for a 11 minute cartoon. Sometimes the acting and writing feel awkward. Some of the storyboard artists suckYD's design is ugly
Too many episodes revolving around 3 characters (Cartman, Randy, and Butters). Also, the social commentary has become too direct and obvious, that it has basically become "What current event will South Park make fun of next week?".
It's like the writers are scared to commit to significant changes. Very few changes stick, and even fewer are ones that fans are happy with. The more I think about it, the more I'm surprised that Billy hasn't been resurrected yet.
>>78845693 Steven Universe has a tendency to be WAY too melodramatic. They really ought to go for a 22 minute episode format (though I suspect CN has something to do with their current 11 minute format as opposed to any directorial choice) so they can spend more time on build up. It's particularly annoying when they knowingly take the piss out of themselves with lines like "Why would anyone watch a show about crying?" and then continue being melodramatic. I think a more ideal format would be more grounded drama punctuated by early season 1 style comedy episodes where nothing much serious happens. Thankfully this week's series of episodes seems to be heading in this direction. Drama and lore is fine but a show should remember to be fun, especially if you're basically a magical girl series with a male protagonist.
>>78856073 >They really ought to go for a 22 minute episode format (though I suspect CN has something to do with their current 11 minute format as opposed to any directorial choice) I heard Sugar opted for it on purpose because it gave them more opportunities to make an episode about anything they want.
Like, it's easy to string two or three episodes in a row with the same plot, especially with a Steven Bomb (for example, the last three episodes could be seen as one big episode, you could easily watch them all in a row without a break in the pace), but it would be harder to make a 22 minute episode about this small random but still significant facet of Steven's life without throwing in some filler B-plot that's only there to eat up time.
>>78856108 That makes sense but it strikes me as wanting to have one's cake and eat it too. I take your point about being able to string together episodes though, It Could've Been Great ends almost exactly where Message Received begins, and the episode after feels like an epilogue. The episodes really are attached at the hip. I'd argue it makes re-running episodes a bitch but then CN doesn't have a lot of room for SU with all the Teen Titans Go they have to put on the menu.
I hate how makers of Extreme Ghostbusters pussied out because the outro was apparently "too creepy" for kids and added shitty music to it. >you will never be alone in the house as a kid, hearing those spooky-ass moans and screams and be terrified out of your mind even though the lights are on, again
The original may have been scary to kids, but at least it was memorable. Music only ruined that effect and it's not even good music, but a shittier redoing of Ghostbusters theme.
>>78849392 I don't get the love for this one, it's so boring and every joke misses. It's like watching a worse Clarence, which is already pretty shit in itself.
>>78849823 Rick and Morty is pretty good but very overrated. I feel bored in some of the episodes. Some of the jokes feel meme-y as fuck too. Like the plumbus or the meeseeks guy. Sometimes it just throws something shocking into an episode that really doesn't need it and the episode feels weakened.
>>78849938 The parts with Hater and everyone else is great. Wander and Sylvia are boring as fuck.
>>78850200 Don't even get me started, I'd need to write a paper on why it's so awful.
>>78851195 Beast Wars and ReBoot look like shit, but at least the plot and characters make up for it.
>>78853065 It feels like it's trying too hard to be relevent and some episodes feel rushed as fuck.
We Bare Bears is great, even cringeworthy shit like the memecon episode was bearable
I like Regular show a lot but the Betacai episodes are fucking horrendous, every other episode is great and I appreciate episodes with a character focus but still involving the entire gang, like Skips stress
Adventure Time I haven't seen much lately but that's because it never comes on when I actually have the time, but it's great but it's plot developments can sometimes fuck up big time, I'm still really pissed they broke Fin and Flame Princess
I really fucking love the Total Drama series, but it tends to lean into retardness halfway through seasons, Ridonculous race is easily my favorite though with a finale that ended perfectly but way too soon
>>78856152 pacing is slow as fuck and the show will be canceled before it ever gets anywhere interesting because that's what happens to cartoon network shows that build a comedy show for kids around any kind of plot that would take multiple seasons to finish. With the amount of episodes it had the lack of relevant plot is just bad, there is no interest in telling a story on the part of the creators, it's just about adding more characters for fans to ship and sperg over. Latest example being blue diamond and the colored pearls. fuck steven universe
>>78855510 To me it feels like the writers all just want to do their own thing, and use the show as a platform, instead of writing *for* AT as a coherent team. Because of this no one can make any significant changes without creating conflict with what the others might want to do.
>>78864711 It's a bizarre religious comic that never seems to actually make a point, and yet at the same time people think the creator is a religious nutball. I have respect for him though, since most of the time he just answers criticism nonsensically and so does his fanbase.
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