And you're also directly responsible for thousands of innocent lives lost because you let certified mass murdering psychopaths go wild on the street so you can punch them and have something to masturbate to at night.
>hurrr murder solves crime
why are so many batfags republicans? i mean yeah batman's a pretty shitty force for justice but at least he has the mercy to understand that even someone like the joker is better left alive and can change. even if he is truly wrong, it's a more progressive philosophy than "kill or be killed" and with batman's anger, going murderous would probably lead him down the same path as the villains he's trying to stop
Life objectively has no intrinsic value.
We only mourn the loss of a potentially good person. Mathematically it makes no sense to spare those with less chance to become good like the joker but condemn his certain victims. He's just really due for a late abortion.
>Life objectively has no intrinsic value.
wtf if you actually believed this than why would you want joker dead as penance for all the lives he's taken? it's almost like you actually think they have intrinsic value. typical nihilist, making zero sense
he understands that even the lives of murderers have intrinsic value and that just putting them out doesn't actually solve anything or get society anywhere closer to what makes people murderous in the first place. even if his solution is beating the shit out of people
>it's almost like you actually think they have intrinsic value
Their value is not intrinsic, it is determinable.
It's the lives of people less destructive than him, that can work, have families and be less prone to evil.
you use a grenade launcher and a scoped rifle in your next movie and have another grenade launcher mounted on the tank you drive, you've had guns in your car since 1989, and you shot your own parents in an alleyway as part of a cockamamie time travel plan to create the perfect crimefighter
a human life is worth between six millions and nine million dollars, depending on if you're asking the Department of Transportation, the Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, or an assassin
Most people would disagree, faggot. And even if that were true, how is it BATMAN'S job to do the executing, and not the state's? More than anything else, Batman defines crime in his mind as murder. It's the single traumatizing event that defines him as Batman. That's why Bill Finger had him stop killing after his first few appearances, years before the CCA was a thing - it was because it didn't make sense for someone who saw his parents gunned down in front of him as a kid to be a triggerhappy murderer.
Because not wanting to murder people is generally seen as progress towards a better society, but we have to deal with fucks you.
The life of some serf tax payer maybe. How much is Obama's? El Chapo's?
The cost of manslaughter seldom equates with the price of proper upbringing, education and the net productivity of a lifetime.
Well, it might make sense if Batman was supposed to be a fucking gothic tragedy like some people make him out to be, but it's not. It's a fucking superhero story. So instead, he makes a clear decision that he wants to be like his father, who saved lives, and not like the man who murdered him. They did a whole story about it even back in the Golden Age, when he finally found Joe Chill.
there's more to people's value than their economic value. we created those systems, they didn't create us. and if we want to maintain them and really evolve, we have to recognize what can make someone like the joker and how to change people like him. "evil" is just a cartoon fear word so republicans won't see the consequences of their philosophy beyond their animalistic thirst for blood
alright i'm going to stop bringing real life philosophy into trite superhero comics now.
El Chapo never paid taxes in his life and his business interests are necessarily clouded by their nature, so if anything his worth is lower than the average.
Obama's life value depends on whether you cost the operations of the various agencies tasked with protecting him or not, but then those same agencies also have duties to average taxpayers that aren't included in the DoT, FDA, or EPA estimates because they're not from that budget, and an assassin charges whatever a target's worth is at that time in their life, not what the sum total of investment in them has been - in the UK in 2014, a study found the cost of a killing to average £15,000, based on a few dozen killings over a 4 decade period. In USD today, that's something like $22,000, but for the US it may actually be on the high side - guns are easier to come by, especially unmarked weapons, and the cost of living is lower in certain respects. Either way, it's not going to add a significant amount to the value that life has already attracted by way of investment.
While you might expect that killing a US president would be more expensive than killing the average US citizen, there are two examples of this happening for free (or at least, for the cost of the bullets and transportation for the assassin) in the past. Ultimately, killing a president would be a matter of getting into the right place at the right time, regardless of the protections afforded to the office. Having an armored motorcade doesn't make you any less mortal.
yeah so your solution is to just murder the ones who dont fit without any understanding for why they are the way they are and how to prevent them from doing harm in the first place.
murdering a murderer doesn't fix what they've already done. if anything these people need to be studied and possibly changed instead of just being forfeit from life entirely like that's the more progressive of the two scenarios and doesn't accomplish literally nothing that the former can't accomplish more of
but just a reminder that all of this talk is based on a person that doesn't even exist in real life. if we're to judge the joker's right to life in the context of the batman universe than he's staying alive because batman needs shit to do and the comics need to keep making money off marketable characters. that's all there is to it.
theyre too heavy and prohibited in too many places. and too expensive. oh and too loud. otherwise guns are awesome and I would have one.
i'm all for opening up their skulls and figuring out what's wrong with them. but as long as they have 'rights' we have no choice but to kill them. it's not murder if it's a murderer. just like it's not theft to confiscate stolen property
All i wanted was a son that uses guns, you are a complete disappointment.