Kinda this. Writers are so afraid to make black people anything but brave, noble, sensitive, kind, etc. I want a flawed, overly confident kinda dickish or headstrong Luke, as often portrayed in comics.. Something more than careful, vanilla characterization.
It is torture waiting on the Iron Fist casting announcement. I want to know if he will be white like he is supposed to be or if they will change him so I can suck it up and get over it after a few days of being pissed.
>>78816329 >Writers are so afraid to make black people anything but brave, noble, sensitive, kind,
This is one of the myriad of dumbest things I will ever read on 4chan. Don't cucks like you complain about this when it comes to rap music videos portraying "hard" niggas and a criminal lifestyle but now you're saying writers are afraid of it?
>>78815871 This will be first Marvel-Netflix show I'm not going to avoid reading spoilers about before going in. But yeah, I'll still watch it. Iron Fist on the other hand, I really don't care about, unless it turns out to be a straight adaptation of the Brubaker/Fraction book with Fat Cobra and shit.
>>78831629 >Iron Fist Power Man would work even if Fist was black if he was a carlon type, you people put too much focus on race.
No, it's about wealth and privilege. Rand inherited a multi-billion corp, Luke is a prisoner running from the law. This opposite is what makes the team so good. Rand HAS to be an entitled rich person for this team to work. He can lose that later, but he has to have it
Besides, who else is going to fund Heroes for Hire? Or what they are calling it..oh yeah, Defenders
>>78831629 He's an orphan that loses it all, his parents, his privileges (both racial and financial), everything. And bare in mind he's been in K'un-Lun since the age of nine. NINE, he didn't enter KL a rich, white adult. It would be extremely contrived if after half of his life living there he's still treated like an outsider, if it's not based on a superficial reason.i.e. What he looks like. It's not like he doesn't change clothes and doesn't assimilate to K'un-Lunian culture. Villagers on the street can tell he's an outsider, just by looking at his face. Which, yes he doesn't have to be White, but it doesn't make any sense if he's ethnically K'un-Lunian. And that only one half of his story. The other part is when he returns to America, and remembers what he forgot. He was born at the apex of social possibility. He's a rich white guy. The world of the rich, white bourgeois is something alien to him, which he explores. He doesn't wish to exert his will on the masses, but help the guy on the street, with his best friend. A black guy, who grew up poor from Harlem. Their social stations are lampshaded when together. What I love about them, though is despite this mild tension, they regard each other like brothers and would die for one another.
His race is very relevant. He's also the perfect character to have interesting and detailed ruminations of "White Privilege" on.
>>78816123 >Rosario Dawson patches up the main character That should probably be the free space since her entire point was always to be the character who drifts from series to series patching up street level heroes. She's the Defenders' Coulson.
That's what I said. He doesn't need to be White, he just needs to be well off and not from Kun Lu or Harlem.
The idea that White is the opposite of black and that white=rich is racist bullshit.
He could be a bougoe dude from Nouve Rich Capital Heights, An Indian tech giant heir, a Chinese billionare family. There are more privalged rich people in the world than blond white dudes. THAT'S what is core here, not his race
He could be made as a redneck and it would fail horribly despite being the "right" race
>>78833726 No-one said white=rich, but in Danny's case he's explicitly privileged in two ways, in which Luke is not. 1)He's white and 2) He's part of the 1%
Under the system of America's "White Supremacy" whites are at the top, and black people are usually at the opposite end of the spectrum. Sure, he could be another race, like South Asian. However, the difference with Danny being white is in America he wouldn't suffer racial based discrimination or "micro-aggressions", unlike Luke.
Their dichotomy isn't sharp if either Danny OR Luke's race is changed. Their dynamic isn't of a working-class minority member, being best friends with a rich minority member. It's a working-class minority member being best friends with a rich Majority member.
If America was a Han Chinese supremacy, for example, instead of a white one, I would then argue for Danny to be Han Chinese.
I mean, sure theoretically Luke's or Danny's race could change, but to say their dynamic would have the same social subtext/be the same would be a lie.
It's funny, because me using Social Justice terminology before on this board, as gotten me the classic. >FUCK OFF B2TUMBLR!!11 routine. But, I certainly don't feel welcome there. Way too hostile.
What am I, Anon? >Schrodinger's SJW
I'm the sort of people that could give less of a woot about race-bending, UNLESS the race of the character is relevant to their story.
I was considerate of the #AAIronFist campaign, and tried to figure a way how you would make it work, using his origin as it stands. Then I noticed people who were for this idea were doing so based on a fabrication of his origin. He wasn't a rich, white adult who traveled to the east in order to seek their knowledge, and to humble himself. Then frees them of their bondage and is way better at Kung-Fu then them after only training for a few months. If that's case I can understand people's ire. It would be far less inflammatory if he was a K'un-Lunian re-connecting to a culture he left behind. (Danny, however is young orphan raised there, he's a "fish out of water" when he comes back to America.) Unfortunately, this incorrect reading of the character has spread so much, it's now dominated any and all Iron Fist conversations. Marvel laying on his casting for a year and a half has made this grow into a boil. Compare and contrast this to Dr Strange. (Where a white adult, westerner humbling himself to Asian mystics, actually holds more presence, yet not much fan backlash.)
There are loads of think-pieces slandering his character based on these misconceptions and one astute Anon put this down perfectly and convinced me his story wouldn't work as any other race, BUT Caucasian.
>>78816123 That Rosario Dawson one in cell B-2 is pretty much a freebie, more so than the shit beating that you put in the center where the traditional free space goes. I think Jessica had like two whole episodes in her show she wasn't thrown out of a building or something, and Nelson vs. Murdock had Matt beat to shit at the start and I don't think he got beaten any more before it ended.
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