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I'm just wondering, are all the people that hate on shows for aiming to have more diverse female casts and spouting the "tumblr" meme just hidden homos? I mean, I really don't get why anyone would be against. Since a kid I've always liked the girls in my cartoons, since well I liked girls. I never really fealt much need to identify with characters in cartoons, so when I was watching or Hercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame half the time I was thinking of Esmeralda or Megara and how I would kiss them, hug them and rub me wee-wee on their tummies or whatever I thought boys and girls did back then. So I've always enjoyed female characters in fiction, even as protagonists since they were basically eye candy for me.

The point is. Everyone wins. Guys can enjoy their cute girls, girls can identify with their characters. If you're really mad about the fact that feminists are also among the peoples that enjoy this you should probably get rid of the angst and edge that's tumoring up your brain.

tl;dr Post cute cartoon girls
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>>78798986
Are nazis closeted jews?
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>>78798986
I mean, if you like building strawman fallacies, then sure.
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I like fan service as much as any dude but I have noticed that the more female characters a show has the more the actual quality o its story tends to suck and the more insufferable its fan base becomes.

Korra, Adventure Time, and Steven Universe all suck, is my point.
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>>78798986
Isn't it that more often than not, the female characters are portrayed either really badly or in a very annoying way?

Like the whole "the world is against her, because she's a girl" thing that annoys alot of people.
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>>78798986
fanservice is for figurative faggots
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>>78799150
I get Korra, but that's clearly because of the writing staff and I don't see how Adventure Time and Steven Universe suck. They've got great, imaginative settings, good characters and most importantly run on a certain continuity, instead of just being episodic comedy. SU especially so and it has more females in its main cast.
>>78799152
Maybe, but I think we're getting less and less of that trope. The shows anon above you mentioned didn't have any of those for example.
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>>78799152
>Like the whole "the world is against her, because she's a girl" thing that annoys alot of people.
This. Men in fiction can fight giant robots, the mafia, aliens, dinosaurs, ninja, mad scientists, eldritch gods, and everything in between.
Women just fight The Patriarchy. MAYBE allegorically if the writers are especially good, but usually they're not.
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>>78799213
Sure, titties pander to lesbians and muscular manly chests or whatever are gay pandering. Nothing wrong about that. What are you a homophobe?
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>>78799311
Women also fight matriarchies, like in Sailor Moon or Steven Universe.
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>>78799287
I'm not sure about AT or SU, but LoK definately had some annoying moments. Mostly that we always have to support the female characters in the show despite their actions. Examples could be Suyin and even Kuvira.

It was also annoying, to me atleast, that Korra was often reduced to crying when things got hard for her, and then something happens that allows her to get over it.
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>>78799410
I don't remember it ever having to do anything with her being a women. She cried for all sorts of reasons like her feeling there's too much responsibility and not being strong enough. I'd say nowadays writiers avoid the whole "boo-hoo I'm just a girl" trope since it could be considered sexist by itself. That stuff hasn't really been a thing since the 90s.
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>>78798986
>hidden homos
No such thing in this board. /co/ has more openly gay posters than women.
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>>78799558
I don't recall it being because she was a woman, it's just a sterotypical response that woman have in media i guess.

I mean, wouldn't most male characters tough through it instead? Or work to get over the problem? It just seems weird to me that we happen to have a female character and her solution to feeling bad about something is to cry and have someone tell her she did nothing wrong.

I guess it just doesn't sit well with me that the action oriented tough girl they wanted us to think she was, usually cried when it got tough instead of meeting the problem headon or working to overcome it.
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>>78799410
>>78799558
In fact avoiding that trope like fire is kind of unnatural, since it is a thing women say. I've heard it in real life a lot more than in fiction. Both from girls who had some ideological standing beside it and as just casual remarks even from conservative, traditionally-minded women (I have to do all the work for him etc.)

Women have probably said this shit for ages because it's something that hurts male sensibilites. It's an easy tactic against naive men.
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>>78799638
What's wrong about a tough character having emotions. Aang cried like a bitch and run away to the fuckin south pole when he couldn't deal with his problems. He often had people pick him up. Maybe you just remember these cases because it kind of works on you? Men are suckers for crying girls. Though some men might be negatively inclined towards that, since girls can use it to use others. What I mean is, it happens just as much is most cases but most men have a more neutral response when men do it.
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>>78798986
you know what you did when you made this post, you know exactly what you wanna receive, you are a fuck and should be treated as one
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>>78799812
Here's your reply.
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>>78799745
I do remember Aang crying from time to time aswell. But usually it didn't resolve his issues, he just had an emotional reponse to something and then had to get over it. But i don't see what Aangs response has to do with Korras.

It just seems to me, that often it is used as a way to make us empathize with the female character, and then someone else has to pick her up or hand her a solution to the problem. And in the case of Aang in don't remember this being much of a problem, because he usually got over his problem himself, sometimes with the support of his friends.
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>>78799745
Aang wasn't sold as a strong, independent brown girl MC that the executives were reluctant to give a show. And then Korra turned out to be a dumb, whiney bitch.
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>>78799925
>It just seems to me, that often it is used as a way to make us empathize with the female character,
I'd agree with that except that audiences are expected to empathize with female character from the get go simply because they're female characters. Male characters have to earn audience sympathy in a way they often do not.
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>>78800207
>>78799925
>>78799812
Even if you guys are right I don't see how this has anything to do with making female characters as MCs. Everyone agrees Korra was a badly written show, and it's problems lie far beyond just Korra and just it's characters in general. There are shows like AT and SU that were mentioned before, but also Kim Possible, Top Agents, Gravity Falls, Gargoyles, Wakfu, Moral Orel, the Maxx, Aeon Flux and a whole shitload of anime: Black Lagoon, FLCL, Gun/Diebuster, Eva, Ghost in the Shell, Bebop, Panty and Stocking, Haibane Renmei, Lain, Utena.

Basically a huge variety and a shitload of shows with interesting, strong female characters.
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>>78800408
I think that's just you. Maybe you sympathize with women to easily. Might have something to do with that stuff you got between your pants and how it relates to that thing in your brain.
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>>78798986
>This thread.
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>>78799027

A few of them were, yes.
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>>78800504
That is true, but isn't the general consensus that those female characters are also good?

It just seems to me that very often when people are against the idea of female characters it is because of the tropes associated with female characters which also seem to be portrayed more than those you mentioned where the female characters are more diverse in general.
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>>78798986
Female characters are okay, the big problem is that many female characters (especially muh sjw ones) become flawless pure diamond that can do no wrong. Which is fucking boring as shit.

I really like female characters but god some female main characters are insufferably boring
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>>78799311

I don't see how Steven Universe of Adventure Time are about fighting the Patriarchy. SU is about an evil Matriarchy and AT seems to have mostly women in powerful positions anyway.

And are Star or Kim Possible really fighting "the Patriarchy"? I thought they were just fighting bad guys.

Was Azula fighting the Patriarchy?
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>>78800644
I feel like I've seen more idealized male characters than female characters. But neither of them are really a commonality now. I know this might sound shocking, but I think writiers have become better at this over the years.
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>>78800504

Yeah I don't see how LoK's writing issues had anything to do with women as MCs. The problems weren't about her gender which didn't really matter. They were just writing problems.
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>>78800544
It's not just me,
The reason Damels in Distress and Women in Refrigerators are concepts that are skewed along female lines is because placing male characters in peril doesn't garner the same reactions, especially if said characters are underdeveloped.
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>>78800504
Now admittedly I've never sat down and watched the show, but doesn''t Gravity Falls get a lot of complaints around here for the female lead being a massive karma houdini?
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>>78798986
I don't care that they are lesbians my problem is that is the only reason anyone will remember this show for. At least with ATLA there was much more going on. With Korra it's just lesbians and by extension Bolin, literally the only reasons I'll remember the show. Being gay shouldn't be the focus of the show that's just bad writing.
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>>78798986
I like girls but that doesn't mean I need to have girls in everything I consume. Does that make me a fucking homo? What do you think?
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>>78798986
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>>78798986
Diverse casts for diversity's sake tends to be shit m8
When the cast is more focused on the gender of the character than the character itself, something's wrong.
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>>78800828
True, but that's pretty much a biological thing it has nothing to do with either feminism or expanding a female cast. In fact, it could be considered sexist.
>>78800964
I wasn't really talking about lesbians. Also, I just posted those two because they are hot. SU would probably be a better example, since it has a broad female cast and is a good show but most of the "criticism" I see for it is just people spouting the tumblr buzzword. But the girls there aren't really fappable, though I guess that's a plus in a sense since it isn't as distracting that way.
>>78801281
Finally someone posts a cute girl.
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Korrasami is still shit and makes no sense. LoK shipping endgame was so dead it'd be shit no matter what they did.

The fanart and porn is aight.
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>>78800658
>Azula
>a hero
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>>78801281
Who the hell is this semen demon?
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>>78798986
>are all the people that hate on shows for aiming to have more diverse female casts and spouting the "tumblr" meme just hidden homos?
what your pic related has to do with it?
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Female characters are often underwritten for some reason.

And if show has large number of female characters as selling point, it probably isn't very good, otherwise it'd market itself for being good.
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>>78799074
This.
>>78798986

This is a troll thread, much like that slutty reporter hiding her shady practices by screaming misogyny and thus burring the issue of corruption of games news media with the extreme feminist and counter extreme feminst, any critique of LOK's shit mishandling and writing is swept under the rug and attention is diverted to fictional hate towards fictional, or perhaps a weak attempt at a lesbian pairing that was created more by fans but then one of the producers decided to say "OH YES, THAT WAS PLANNED ALL ALONG" and takes credit for it.

Hey guys, remember how Christopher Dorner had files incriminating my key members of the LAPD with corruption and abuse but it was forgotten when the cabin with Dorner and all the evidence was just set on fire and the news media just assured the public he was just a mass shooter?

Or how about Frien killing a man who was fucking his brother's wife and while yes, he is guilty of murder, the police called him a terrorist and used that excuse to enforce martial law for a month, and the news media going along with the narrative that he was a terrorist, even though all he did was kill a wife fucker?

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Remember, the truth is worse than meaningless now, it's unwanted, people can't handle the truth and agenda driven lobbyist will keep parroting false hoods and lies and the sheep will eventually start believing these lies or just stop fighting it.

OP your a fascist pushing your meme and while many will say to just ignore you and that your just getting off on replies, I can't risk your poison infecting an impressionable mind that may swing the balance into anarchy. So I will reply, I will counter, I will notice till the day I die.
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>>78799603
There are no females on the internet, we are all gay males or males role playing as females.
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>>78799638
It was probably done to make her more feminine since she was rowdy. Aang wasn't very masculine but he wouldn't cry. I think it's has to do with how ultra masculine men are supposed to be. That's why he did not cry whenever things got very difficult. Aang lost his home and his people and I don't remember him being teary eyed. It's more acceptive for a women to be openly emotional. That's why, they can make Korra cry so much.
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>>78800571
It even has /pol/ back in the back Heiling.
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>>78798986
>Guys can enjoy their cute girls,
I actually have issues with that

The porn I have access to has desensitized me to such a degree that moments of fanservice and series that are all about fanservice just grate on my nerves now.

It's a bigger promblem with anime and manga but it comes up in comic books and certain cartoons as well/

It's taking up space that could be used for story purposes.
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>>78802098
Read the tl;dr
>>78802218
Like what?
>>78802440
Yes
>>78802779
Isn't it also a matter of design? I think people would feel a bit more different towards her if she didn't have those huge eyes and generally attractive/pretty features. It makes you naturally care for her more.
I realized this while watching SU. Whenever something happened to Garnet I didn't care as much as when something to the other gems.
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>>78802972
Just proves that too much porn can be bad for you. Though it seems weird, shouldn't you just be immune to it?
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>>78800504
I would not bring Gravity Falls into this list.

The only one female character with compelling journey was Pacifica the bit character.
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>>78802972
Fanservice in the age of porn is just disrespectful to viewers. Like they are taking us for suckers with their ancient tricks.
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>>78799287
>Adventure Time
That show's just awful. I like SU though it's cute.
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>>78800571
Hey, it's Hedy Lamarr!
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>>78802999
don't sexualize cj
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>>78800571
is this from blazing saddles
>tfw you haven't seen enough mel brooks movies to tell
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Diversity isn't the problem. Forcing diversity for the sake of diversity is a problem because it lends itself to bad writing. Someone may be writing a character and say to themselves that they want the character to be gay or black or whatever, and stop there. They think to themselves that they don't need to write personality or character traits because this increasingly politically correct society will cream themselves over seeing representation of people they'd see anyway if they just went the fuck outside. Look at Dave Willis and his shitty webcomic for an example. He wrote a character with the express intent of making her a lesbian and that's literally all there is to her character. The worst part is that people who follow his comic on tumblr eat this shit up, it's like the guy found the perfect formula of representation to make loads more money than we'll ever get from our cartoons while putting in no effort whatsoever. I went a bit off topic but the point is, bad writing sucks, not diverse characters.
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>>78805003
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>>78803115
Making Korra beautiful would make it easier to care for her. It helped Ronda gained some sympathy; however, people generally don't like people who they perceive to be arrogant. Korra and Garnet have that air of I'm cool and it's in your face.
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But none of it is done WELL or very convincingly.
Its the token black problem. You include a brown character to get points but them being brown is meaningless to the character 99% of the time so the blatant pandering shows and its just a massive hollow shitfit to push a meaningless identity politics agenda thats worthless.
Modern Feminism is a worthless shell of its roots and pandering to it just shows how idiotic the whole thing is.
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>>78798986
its the /pol/ leak
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>>78806686
Garnet legitimately doesn't give a shit since she knows whats going to happen up to a point and reacts accordingly, plus she's literally in love with herself so when you're basically a self-absorbed freak its hard to get up in arms about other people.
Korra's problem is she's cocky as all fuck just because she's the avatar and thinks she can do no wrong.
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>>78803115
>Read the tl;dr
the thread could be only that, you know?
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>>78806584
keep sexualizing cj pls
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>>78803323
>Tumblr the show
Bleach tastes good this time of year famalamimam.
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>>78805158
Yes
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>>78803323
Both are amazing, Adventure time is better at it's best but SU is more consistent.
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>>78807954
Back to /pol/ with you.
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>>78806879
Water tribes were already brown they just made Korra a little darker. Her being a different shade didn't effect her. They didn't address racial issues
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>>78809124
Pretty sure he was talking about a general problem since he didn't mention any specific shows. And obviously there are also good examples of characters that are minorities.
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>>78798986

You got it. Literally everyone sick to death of sjw shit being forced down their throat in their television, in their video games, in their comics, and in their motherfucking imageboards is just gay. All of them. It's a wonder that the human race even persists, given this new revelation.
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>>78798986
An all female, or mostly female cast, gets thrown on some high pillar, and everyone acts like its the shit. If the show is shit then people freak for automatically hating the show.

I'm sorry that women are different from men, and when they try hard to stand out by purposely showing that their equal or better than men, this happens:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
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>>78798986
>>78799287
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>>78806879
Korra was dark since she was from the water tribe, the avatar thing is cyclical so she couldn't have ended up anyone else. Plus, she looks hot as hell, so what the fuck are you even blabbering about?
>>78809425
I see more hating on sjws as some new new way of non-conformity than actual sjws nowadays. Especially in cartoons.

I mean people calling SU sjw? Well, Sugar admitted she wanted to experiments with a variety of female characters? What's bad about that? Especially since her team did a pretty damn good job. The characters are interisting, they have strong personalities yet aren't just guys in dresses, they feel feminine. If anything the most shallow character is a guy, but he's a kid and pretty much the manifestation of anti-irony so I'm fine with that.
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>>78810951
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>>78811012
dude its anti-sjw because anything with women/gays/trans people is some sort of giant conspiracy against /pol/ dont you SEE THE charts read between the lines sheeple/
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>>78799027
you're comparing people who don't like this cartoon to nazis?
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>>78798986
No
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>>78802972
The internet has ruined porn for me. I get off on the written word than pictures now.
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>>78801728

You haven't been reading the comics, have you?
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>>78803437
IT'S HEDLEY
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>>78807871
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>>78798986
I just wanted a cute, well-developed romance. I'm a sucker for that shit and LoK baited me into thinking I'd get one like Katara and Aang.

Instead, I got last minute lesbians. Fuck that shit; either commit to a pairing or don't, don't just throw a progressive curveball out there at the last second to distract from an otherwise garbage finale.
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>>78798986
>feminists hijack the fanbase of a show
>show's creators pander to them because they want their shekels
>show drastically drops in quality
>veteran fans point this out
>feminists and white knights resort to calling them names, labeling them as sexist and insulting their manhoods

Every time
Without fail
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>>78811012
>aren't just guys in dresses
I fucking hate this meme. Female characters can be whatever the fuck you want them to be. If you're trying too hard to make sure the average girl identifies with them by making sure they exhibit telltale feminine attributes, you're just going to end up limiting yourself, your character, and the very concept of a female character to begin with.

Nobody tries to make sure every guy can relate to male characters like Dante, Snake, or Batman. Nobody tried to make sure every girl can relate to Bayonetta, Motoko, or Cassandra Cain. Look how Cassie turned out; she's (or at least was) the best batgirl by far.

The characters that always stand out the most are the ones that exhibit stellar traits that aren't normally found in men or women. It makes them feel original and fun, and always makes finding out what makes them tick all the more fascinating.
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>>78798986
The problem with Korra isn't her vagina.
From a design standpoint she is borderline /co/ bait.
They could have made her ugly or frumpy, that would be tumblr shit.
The problem is she is written as borderline retarded and nobody should like that character.
Asami herself played an incredibly minor role in the show compared to Mako, Bolin and I'd even Tenzin.
All of the episodes of Koora, every last one of them lacked every ounce of charm the previous series had.

I like to imagine most of the people here what with it being 4chan have at least a modest fascination with anime.
Anime has some great proactive female protagonists and shows with a diverse female cast.
Problem is you apparently have to be some kind of a colossal faggot to get a cartoon to air now'n days especially when it comes to say Steven Universe that takes a big steaming dump all over the idea of the standard form of feminine beauty aka everyone is either obscenely skinny, short, tall or fat.
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>>78806879

I like to call that the "Miles Morales Conundrum".
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>>78806932

There are a good number of people who browse multiple boards with equal frequency. The truth of the matter is that many people on /pol/ also like comics and cartoons, and therefor also post on /co/. There is no "board leakage". There is only board overlap.
Of course, anons who take culture from one board and then bring it to another board and expect it to simply be accepted without comment are fucking retards, regardless of which boards they frequent most.
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>>78798986
OP's pic: Every comic and cartoon should have at least one scene like this every episode/issue.
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>>78811012
>Well, Sugar admitted she wanted to experiments with a variety of female characters? What's bad about that?
Burned once. Twice shy.
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There's a reason for this weird paradox where people go "Japan is patriarchal and misogynistic" but also say "Anime tends to have better female characters". No one wants to admit it but the two are linked. Chilvary, feminism, positive discrimination, whatever you want to call it, has made it far harder to sell a well developed female character in the west, because well developed characters have flaws, and those flaws lead to consequences for their actions, and they're defined by suffering, and doing that to women, even fictional ones, is morally objectionable in progressive cultures. At least to a vocal minority.

That's why anime can have a show like Madoka where heads are getting chopped off or PreCure where getting punched in the face is normal but if Lisa Simpson ever got strangled like her brother does every other week there'd be a bit to do about it.
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>>78800504
Why on god's green earth would you put Gravity Falls on that list? We just got out of one of the most disappointing episodes of the series that yet again ended with Mabel predictably being told she's done nothing wrong and getting her way after throwing a fit that literally caused the apocalypse.

You know what? Since you opened this can of worms I'll go further with it.
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>>78798986
I personally just dislike diversity for diversity's sake.

I dig Steven Universe, and Garnet is probably my favorite character, but I hate how Tumblr and retarded feminists like Laurie Penny claim that the best reason to watch is because "muh gays". It's not the cute original songs or original stories. It's not even that the characters are deep, lovable, and well developed. It's that some of them are lesbians.

Also, I have autism and it bothers me that people claim the gems are lesbians, when they're actually genderless, ridiculously complex, aliens that can take any form they want.
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>>78802972
Exactly how I felt watching Prison School and then reading the Manga. It's only a waste of space.
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>>78802972
>>78820495
Word. I tried to start Anti-Magic Academy last week hoping for magical gun play. It's like 5% action an 95% moe tits and panty bullshit.
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>>78798986
>when /co/ takes the bait
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>>78820428
>genderless
I think you mean "sexless" since they very clearly identify as female and assume female traits (with being able to change their physical form and all).
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>>78820662
they don't have rumble spheres, hombre
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>>78820719
You're answering a question that's different than the one asked, cholo. If we're gonna do this sex/gender dance, you should know what we're talking about.
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>>78820803
look i'm no freudian psycho scientist but gay space rocks don't got tatas
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>>78820823
They very clearly have breasts, anon. Their breasts might not have a function, but thats talking about sex and we are talking about gender.
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>>78820662
Right, sexless.

Still, considering they can be anything they want, and that they and their civilization are far older and more advanced than we are, I think the fact that they appear to what humans perceive as female is a coincidence. Point remains though: Gems aren't and can't be homosexual.

Liking characters because of their sexuality, or what you presume their sexuality to be, is shallow, and retarded anyway.
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>>78820937
>Still, considering they can be anything they want, and that they and their civilization are far older and more advanced than we are, I think the fact that they appear to what humans perceive as female is a coincidence.
Totally, the gems are probably foreign to the concept of gender as a whole.
>Point remains though: Gems aren't and can't be homosexual.
At this point, we're just as much talking about little girls in anime that actually aren't little girls but near-immortal beings that are thousands of years old so it's in no gosh darn way pedo, brah *wink wink nudge nudge*
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>>78820240
You're right, I honestly admit I never really thought of Mables in that context. Though I also haven't seen the last episodes of the second season.
>>78819156
I dunno, Steven Universe and Adventure Time both have what you speak of. And Aeon Flux even made the main heroine a Kenny character having her die in every episode. I think there used to be this tendency of being afraid of giving female characters flaws, but it's not that common anymore.
>>78820428
I agree with what you said. Definitely I'm always dissapointed when someone puts forward critisism or praise like that. It seems kind of cheap.

But I don't think wanting diversity for its sake is bad in itself, in the end it depends on how the creator handles it. Let's take a neutral example. Guy Ritchie the director of Snatch and Ryougo Narita, the author of Baccano work with the specific aim to have a huge cast in general and having the focus on the characters disspersed as possible. I feel Rebecca Sugar put in fron of herself a similar task, she just realized female characters are usually a minority and how often them being a female is a trope in itself but wanted to avoid that. She made a large female cast and it worked out well.

I know they are gems etc. but from our perspective they clearly resemble women and they also call the diamonds matriarchs etc.
>>78820573
Have my responses made it seem like i'm just baiting? Yeah, I made a post that is slightly instigating but that's how it kind of works around here.
>>78818474
I should have went with Steven Universe. It was what I really had in mind but I just didn't want responses, the likes of "go back to tumblr" and shit like that. These are always to common in SU threads even if the subject of conversation isn't gender. I can't even imagine how it would end up if I started out with this specific topic.
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>>78821844
>You're right, I honestly admit I never really thought of Mables in that context. Though I also haven't seen the last episodes of the second season.
The problem with Mabel was always present, it's just became more apparent recently.

She's just boring. She wants nothing, she has no problem. While Dipper faces variety of problems with his identity and seeking for truth, Mabel spends her summer being upset over things not falling in line with her childish vision, usually resolved with things falling in line with her childish vision. She warps and drags down the story.
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>>78798986
They are either hidden homosexuals or just autistic. Which is why you need to encourage them to take their Domestos.

As a Doctor, I can confirm this.
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>>78822004
>>78821844
Not really on the same point, since I can agree. I was never that much a fan of the show and usually watched it with a friend who liked it so I didn't put much fan into the show and waited along for the jokes.

>>78820428
But I want to add that while I agree with this, I also hate when people's critisism of shows are just based on peope's presumptions about it pandering to "tumblr", sjws or whatever. Shitting on a show like SU for those reasons and omitting elements like its visual design, narrative direction, character relations and imaginative setting is just lazy.
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>>78798986
I think the issue is more that it came out of nowhere and made no sense. I think most people are fine with it, but not fine with how it was handled, since they made no attempt to even build a semblance of a budding romantic relationship in the entire last season. It could've easily been handled so that we'd be seeing, and wanting, it to happen towards the end of the series and that final scene.

You can just throw something in without working at it, because otherwise it just becomes the worst kind of tokenism.

tl;dr: We just wanted MORE Korra+Asami, not less
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>>78822536
>You can...
I meant "You can't..."

Addendum:
>>78798986
You also straw-manned the hell out of that, since I'm fairly certain that your post is the first time I've seen a claim of that sentiment.

This is /co/, lesbians are ALWAYS welcome.
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>>78822576
Read what I wrote here:
>>78821844
Especially the last two parts.
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>>78798986
Nobody cares that its females. We're annoyed that it had a mediocre run. An even more mediocre ending. Then the creators said "oh btw they're lesbians". Now it's praised as fuck, especially on tumblr.
Now can we stop having this thread?
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>>78822600
Why?

Also, >>78822619 is right on the money
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>>78822630
Since it answers your questions.
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>>78798986
>the "tumblr" meme
>literally spending half the time thinking about macking on cartoon girls while watching the show
>being a waifu fag from so young
>haivng more than one
>can't enjoy something wihtout something to get stiff over
>literally defending quota casting
>literally defending pandering and agenda forcing
WEW LAD
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>>78822004
i think it has something to do with dipper being such a big self insert of alex: he gets lots of development as the show goes on. he has flaws and weaknesses that he has to grow out of and learn from. the show basically revolves around him because the majority of it is being seen through his eyes. it was easy for alex to set the groundwork for dipper.

mable was based off his sister, even though theyre twins he cant get into her mind like his own, he didnt grow up seeing things from her perspective. so to make up for not having a deep understanding of what her flaws, struggles and weaknesses would be, we get a very flat character (shit what did my fun loving sister like? uuuuuh boys.. sweaters.. glitter and yelling..).
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>>78802058
ibuki from danganronpa
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>>78798986
everybody saying diversity for the sake of diversity leads to bad writing... do you have any example? is the show less shit becase it has all straight white males then?

I just saying.... make a story, of people, different relationship, just check each character, and change the gender/race blindly and make small adjustment to fit the story, there. what's the problem?
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>>78822865
Considering we are also apparently supposed to symathize with Stan in ATOTS, I suspect that Hirsch is actually Mabel.
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>>78818174
i think the problem with 'putting a male character in a dress', so to speak, is that it garuntees everyone is goong to hate this character for being some kind of mary sue. you're right when you say characters like batman arent written to encapsulate everything in a man so that guys can relate with him. hes an incrediblely handsome rich playboy who owns his own enterprise, and he's also an amazing detective, and hes also an incredibly skilled and strong martial arts fighter, and he also has hundreds of gadgets and vehicles and all other sorts of shit that hes great at using. he can be whatever the story needs him to be.

now 'put him in a dress', and its a bad, under developed, mary sue character. not that it wasnt before, but since its a woman now and not a guy, you cant ignore it, and its grating.
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>>78819156
madoka and most mor shit anime are bad examples, since they're not being made for females in the first place. it's pandering to a specific crowd, and it sure as hell isn't a femenist one.
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>>78799745

I'm not sure what I'm adding to the conversation here, but I'm pretty sure I've seen Gumball cry a few times. Hell, I've only seen one episode of Harvey Beaks and it's pretty clear from an offhand comment that Harvey cries a fair bit.

Also I think Over The Garden Wall presented an interesting alternative to the ol' waterworks, with Wirt just becoming a melancholy and frustrated mess by the end of episode 8.
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>>78823058
>and it sure as hell isn't a femenist one.
Not that I don't exactly agree with you, but I think this was his point.
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>>78822962
I sympathized with Stan. No one believed in him, He was disowned by his family because of an accident, and no one thought he was telling the truth when he claimed so.
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>>78799027
if you can't beat em, join em
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>>78822536

This. Goddamn Wakfu got this so right it hurts. First time we meet Julie and we get sparkly animu eyes. the show progressed with dates and whatnot and even had some kind of a proposal in that dream episode.

The best thing about it is that nobody batted an eyelid about it. Nobody said"but it's forbidden love" everyone was just cool with it.

I want more of that.
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>>78823035
People don't feel that way about Wonder Woman who is arguably even more obscene than Batman.

And if they do, they're idiots.
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>>78822536
It's so fucking apparent, too when you hear about how they came to the conclusion to include Korrasami. They operated under the assumption that Nickelodeon would never allow it, so they just built up a nice friendship arc, but when they realized they could get away with it, they just had to stick it in there even without the necessary build-up.

It doesn't help that they couldn't even fucking commit to a goddamn kiss in the final moments of the show and we had to settle for just hand-holding.
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So there can be no avatar threads because of korra haters and trolling
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>>78823544
>korra haters
>saying that like they're an angry fringe group
KEK
E_E
KEK
Liking Korra is the real bait. Even Korra fans know they're a tiny as group.
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>>78799027
Wasn't Hitler technically a Jew by his party's own definition?
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>>78823589
It's cute that you think that

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AksrehOoT4s
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lesbians ending just come from nothing
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>>78823680
>know a loser that loves Korra
>have to see posts he likes from some Korra page on FB
>wah wah wah I know we've lost a lot of people over the seasons but-
>not small
Jej

>>78823647
That's why he couldn't be racist, anon. Prejudice + power. As a minority himself he was merely reacting against the systematic oppression he was exposed to.
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>>78823647
yeah, his grandmother was jewish or something
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>>78823721
You need to get out of your little /co/ bubble and stop being a little bitch
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>>78799027
They were a splinter faction eliminating the competition.
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>>78823189
I think he meant they're not made for a female crowd, which is honestly probably right.
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>>78823407
Well everybody Wonder Woman hangs out with outside of her solo title overshadows her.
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>>78823752
>little /co/ bubble
>literally talking about groups outside of /co/ in that post
Can Korrafags truly be this retarded?
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>>78823544
If it weren't for Korra, you'd still have shitposting, it'd just be about Azula or Zutara shippers or "Aang is boring" or "the ending was a deus ex machina" or some shit like that.

Enjoy things alone in silence, hate them in a group setting.
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>>78798986
>just hidden homos?
No.
>I mean, I really don't get why anyone would be against.
It's hard to see the cancer when you ARE the cancer.
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>>78823035
Batman is also a dark tortured soul and a pederast.

Even the most badass male often suffer abuse and misery in-between. Often writers forget dish the same thing on female characters. I don't know if writers are uncomfortable with this, is it audience or is it executives. But there's not much middle-ground between awesome everywhere and non-entity for women, for some reason.
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>>78823763
OK give me a link
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>>78823785
>talk all the shit you want
>someone disagrees citing out-of-site anecdotal experience
>links or a I won't believe
It was a post someone liked ages ago you complete and utter autist. You want me to look for HOURS assuming I find it at all before you can accept how dead your little group is?
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>>78811418
No, comparing one bad analogy to an equally bad analogy.
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>>78823808
Give me a fucking link to all the people that hate korra you fool
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>>78821844
>I dunno, Steven Universe and Adventure Time both have what you speak of.
Steven Universe can be compared to anime in a thousand and one different ways, but this isn't one of them. Take how in Keep Beach City Weird, the gems all attack Ronaldo with no restraint even though he is clearly just a weak human who probably wasn't putting Steven in any real danger. Might this just be an example of how the gems are over-protective of Steven? Most likely. Would this scene have happened if Ronaldo was a girl? I highly doubt it. Let's go to Island Adventure. Sadie tricks Steven and Lars to stay on the island for about two weeks, and Lars is the irrational one when he thinks Sadie was just doing it to get into his pants. In response to this, Sadie hits him multiple times and in the end he is still portrayed as the unreasonable one.
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>>78825503
I honestly wouldn't know about SU, the artstyle is revolting and the characters make me gag
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>>78825503
Małe characters constantly harass female characters in anime as well and it's often pulled for gags. The whole tsundere trope is based on this.
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>>78825503
SU is a little complicated because Steven is the perspective character. But that's neither here nor there.
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>>78830992
Bullshit, Steven didn't portray Sadie as reasonable. The show did.
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>>78830961
>Małe characters constantly harass female characters in anime as well and it's often pulled for gags.
So are you saying it subverted the trope by reversing it?
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>>78831397
Take your made up words back to tvtropes.com, this is /co/ and we have real discussions here
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>>78823752
he is kinda of right, not many people like Korra. It's objectively bad as a story, and as a show.
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>>78831656
I was trying to make sense of your shit comment, and to do that I had to use shitty terms from tvtropes.
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>>78823512
>>78823508
>>78817748
>>78817673
>>78817492
bless u
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>>78823825
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Korra the brown bisexual is the best character of 2014.
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>>78798986

>This thread

There always has to be that thread. Why must we repeat ourselves over and over again with the same nonsense.

/co/ doesn't hate women. We hate writers who can interpret good characters. Gender is irrelevant, we have had female representation before in /co/ some good others bad, same applies the male.

This quenching desire to see face represented in the media isn't inherently bad, and more outlets should adhere to this, but the way people go about to force others to bend to their will is disgusting.
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>>78818024
>The moment tumblr likes a show, the fandom goes to shit
God so true
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>>78818024
>>78837400
A good rule of thumb is: if you can define it as a "fandom," it's most likely cancerous.
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>>78798986

I think /co/ is scared of having comic book characters that are created for the sake of diversity even though it is in demand and it's what keeps these comic and animation companies in business.
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>>78837400
Need I say more?
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>>78798986
I'm not reading all of that but it's basically just "ur gay for not liking what I like", right?
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>>78837657
Something akin to /co/ shaming women or some bullshit. This thread is just bait and not even the clever kind.
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>>78798986
>is /co/ gay?
newfag detected
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>>78798986
God bless Kyhu
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>>78837703
It's remarkable the amount of quality discussion that's come about even with this thread being a bait thread though.
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>>78818174
Found the tranny who thinks girls should be fugly
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>>78798986
Idiots took the bait. Nice job, are you from Tumblr? I ask this because this entire text wall is just oozing with disgusting slime from your red nose.

I'll keep it and simple as I want to avoid triggering you:

>/co/ is very gay
>/co/ has a great deal of female users
>/co/ is very diverse
>/co/ hates writers who don't know how to write
>/co/ hates Tumblr
>/co/ hates you
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>>78805517
>Diversity isn't the problem. Forcing diversity for the sake of diversity is a problem because it lends itself to bad writing.
Exactly. Steven Universe, Ms. Marvel and the recent run of Batgirl are good because the writing is fun DESPITE the "representation" politics, not because of them. It's not a zero-sum game.

>They think to themselves that they don't need to write personality or character traits because this increasingly politically correct society will cream themselves over seeing representation of people they'd see anyway if they just went the fuck outside.
It's the key reason why vicitimization politics is a pain in the ass for society. The biggest con those people are pulling upon society is the thing about "intersectionality". And the worst part is having the Tumbler Twats ruining it for the rest of us.

>Look at Dave Willis and his shitty webcomic for an example. He wrote a character with the express intent of making her a lesbian and that's literally all there is to her character. The worst part is that people who follow his comic on tumblr eat this shit up, it's like the guy found the perfect formula of representation to make loads more money than we'll ever get from our cartoons while putting in no effort whatsoever. I went a bit off topic but the point is, bad writing sucks, not diverse characters.
You mean Shortpacked? A much better example is Jeph Jacques' shameless pandering to his fanbase on Questionable Content. The talentless hack made a Garnet knockoff and removed all of the original's charm and sympathy.
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they should have kept this design for starfire
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdEy-p-86vE

best part of the show, just kind of a shame that episode had such a ridiculously dumb asspull of an ending even by Brave N' Bold's standards.
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If /co/ could appreciate cute things /mlp/ wouldn't have happened. But no, someone had to be macho on the internet.
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>thread is still here

This is why nobody likes this place anymore
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>>78798986
Everybody that doesn't care about follow-through or good story direction Wins!
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>>78837360
>all those misused words
Buy a dictionary or graduate school
>This quenching desire to see face represented in the media isn't inherently bad
I think it is
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